S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-Myopia]

This is very interesting.

I submitted for no action. If you saw me take an action some form of manipulation occurred to either your result or my action. Keep in mind I was also voted 1 time yesterday so unless a hidden vote on me happened your results could be inverted, however that would work.

Do you mind saying what it was that I did?

Hm. Maybe its your parasite?
Are you even the parasite guy?

[FM-Father and Sun]

Well, let's get the red check first.

-vote FM-Inconspicuous Man

Yh seems simplest.

Too many claims and counterclaims.

1) Kill Inconspicuous man
2) Town focus on trying to resolve the purple-tesseract mess one way or the other
3) Work out what Tess' claim that OhNo was role blocked means

My suggested plan

[FM-Father and Sun]

I feel like it is t/t.

-vote FM-Inconspicuous Man

-vote FM-Inconspicuous Man

[FM-Father and Sun]

Do you really think the world revolves around you?


What makes you think you're the only one who can roleblock?

But actually, if you think a little, you would have guessed the plan:
1. Lynch triad check (Inconspicuous Man)
2. If Inconspicuous Man flips triad, we are great and Purple is kinda confirmed.
3. if Inconspicuous Man flips town, you block Purple next night.


Another evidence that you write more than you read others.

Oh I got to the same conclusion as you!

I would say- Purple can be scum & IM can be wolf

[FM-Father and Sun]

Why are you de-escalating the situation? I want a thunderdome between me and Purple. How do you think this is a TvT? Makes no sense. Lynch me or Purple. I know Purple lied about lie detector, he said he knew it could not have been affected by my Miller. The guy made numerous posts enticing me to post a 2-word sentence which would have rekt me.

OMFG

[FM-Father and Sun]

This seems extremely obvious to me.

Inco is another red check from Purple who provides no value to town to keep alive. He has zero contributive posts, and there is resistance to his wagon. This is a very clear scum candidate.

By lynching Inco we can deduce whether or not Purple is full of shit by cross referencing his flip with what Purple claimed his alignment was- Triad.

From there we can decide whether or not to eliminate Tesseract tomorrow with the additional information we've received by removing a player that probably should be policy'd regardless.

This is a win/win/win. Is this unclear to anyone?

Town is such a mess that I'm town reading chad so hard for this

[FM-Father and Sun]

I have a theory. And yeah you can trash me for it. Purple disappeared when I put up my rightful defense. Then Chad comes in and kinda on my side sorta (TvT with Purple). Chad bussing Purple. I AM NOT VOTING INCOS OR MR BONES, THEY ARE MOST LIKELY 3P, and i have no reason to believe them to have malicious intends until proven otherwise. I stick to Purple and ohno, and Chad will be in my eyes for trying to pocket me. You realized that I was not going down easily and now you wanna befriend me.

Can't we just let it resolve.

If your scum, I know you are just trying to survive as best you can but I'm not even reading your posts anymore because its the same stuff.

If you are town (and as scum) you are letting the other scum skate by through taking up all the thread oxygen

[FM-Father and Sun]

maybe he would if you didn't goad him into doing so lul

For example, I'm wolf reading this kinda post. Mr bones is clearly just revelling in the nonsense

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Yh seems simplest.

Too many claims and counterclaims.

1) Kill Inconspicuous man
2) Town focus on trying to resolve the purple-tesseract mess one way or the other
3) Work out what Tess' claim that OhNo was role blocked means

My suggested plan

So kill 2 people to clear two instead of killing 1 to clear 3? If you think clearing Tess sorts OhNo as well it should still mean Purple > Incon

[FM-Father and Sun]

Im not reading page 51 up to date because its still just Tesseract talking about the same stuff unless anyone points out anything interesting

[FM-Father and Sun]

So kill 2 people to clear two instead of killing 1 to clear 3? If you think clearing Tess sorts OhNo as well it should still mean Purple > Incon

How so?

I think Incon is always a baddie here because of:
a) How they reacted to the check
b) Some resistance to their wagon
c) The nature of purples check

BUT I don't think we learn anything about purple based on Tess' check. Purple can still be a wolf (or even a triad) bussing a mate.

I think we have to sort Purple-Tess independently of Triad. And we have other mechanics to do that.

unless I've missed some mechanics

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Is this game just some kinda neutral madness where I am the last town and people just jumped off Tess to keep the guy alive advocating for neutral survival or what?

I really do not even understand the reasoning people are using when they bother having any at all. I mean.. This shit is not rocket science. What is even going on in this game.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

How so?

I think Incon is always a baddie here because of:
a) How they reacted to the check
b) Some resistance to their wagon
c) The nature of purples check

BUT I don't think we learn anything about purple based on Tess' check. Purple can still be a wolf (or even a triad) bussing a mate.

I think we have to sort Purple-Tess independently of Triad. And we have other mechanics to do that.

unless I've missed some mechanics

Mechanically Purple has two checks. Both being evil. One on Incon and the other on Tess.

If you doubt one you have to also doubt the other.

-But-

Sorting one will help sort the other as well as provide reasoning to Purples alignment.

The issue here is that Incon is a lover so killing them kills another player. That means 2 kills if we solve using their slot instead of one. This is exactly why there is resistance to their wagon because its a higher cost for the exact same benefit. Killing Incon, Tess, or Purple gives us basically the same info. So if you look at it in a cost-benifit manner its just dumb to kill Incon.

Past that Incon's slot is self resolving if they are town. Scum will kill them.
Then Ohno claimed they would kill Incon regardless. This is useful to solving Ohno.

So why in the ever living fuck are we putting the train onto Incon? Higher cost, Less benifit, Self resolving and gona die anyways.

Am I missing something here or has the whole world gone crazy?

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I am starting to feel like there is a holy shit level of resistance to putting a train on Purple or Tess that has no basis in reasoning. Getting more and more confident we should be moving in that direction.

[FM-Father and Sun]

@FM-Comrade PickleRadish

Its up for sale

[FM-Father and Sun]

Mechanically Purple has two checks. Both being evil. One on Incon and the other on Tess.

If you doubt one you have to also doubt the other.

-But-

Sorting one will help sort the other as well as provide reasoning to Purples alignment.

The issue here is that Incon is a lover so killing them kills another player. That means 2 kills if we solve using their slot instead of one. This is exactly why there is resistance to their wagon because its a higher cost for the exact same benefit. Killing Incon, Tess, or Purple gives us basically the same info. So if you look at it in a cost-benifit manner its just dumb to kill Incon.

Past that Incon's slot is self resolving if they are town. Scum will kill them.
Then Ohno claimed they would kill Incon regardless. This is useful to solving Ohno.

So why in the ever living fuck are we putting the train onto Incon? Higher cost, Less benifit, Self resolving and gona die anyways.

Am I missing something here or has the whole world gone crazy?

OK cool.

I've read about the miller stuff though- or discussions about Tess being a miller.

I, for my sins, find Purple/Tess quite villagey (but I think Tess is playing in a way thats detrimental to town.)

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Btw. It might be a pretty safe play for someone to night kill bones. The fact they have been openly called Neutral over and over by Tess without so much as bothering to deny it and then voted me with no reasoning when I shoved Tess suggests they are extremely likely not town.

When Neutrals can be leashed or play for town its useful but thats not what we see here. They are flatly just playing in favor of the guy that called their alignment and supported their win con. That is very dangerous to town late game.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

@FM-Comrade PickleRadish

Its up for sale

I will buy it in the event we end up voting Purple or Tess, but it will be for naught if inco is lynched.

This will probably be my last post for the night. Letting my vote on Purple simmer for obvious reasons, because I don't think the 1-for-1 trade is worth it. Of course I'm biased b/c it is a life and death situation for me and seeing how frantic and divisive town seems to have gotten, I don't trust the trade, since it's hard for us to reach consensus.

[FM-ohno]

I roleblocked ohno. Why is Purple making this insane play which I know to be false? I think I blocked their kill and they are getting more aggressive. Granted, I may be wrong on this. But I will need you and your lover man to figure this out. I am not the enemy, never have been. You can go look at how many times I gave Purple statements he could "lie detect" and he kept pressing me for a 2-word statement that would not fly until I got it cleared x many times. What is sad is I thought Chad was town, but perhaps not. And then Leaf and Kitty (AND BEARD? i think bead is just mistaken). Scum and 3Ps who are not so benign appear to be on me. I am disappointed in the lack of town coordination, I guess it's my fault as a failed leader. But there is only so much I can do. If people still think I am scum, there is not much I can do to change those particular individuals' minds. But I trust in you (no pressure, no pocket). And yeah Purple will come at me for pocketing you, it's fine with me. I have to gather whatever little we have left in rational minds.

when are you going to realize this argument is complete shit. There is likely more than one scum killing role. There likely mkre than ONE SCUM faction. there is no roleblock that magically stops all that. and even if there was, blow darting you is literally the easiest way out of it (if you dont belive my unroleblockable claim). Engaging with you as scum is literally stupid, especially trying to save you

[FM-Father and Sun]

Btw. It might be a pretty safe play for someone to night kill bones. The fact they have been openly called Neutral over and over by Tess without so much as bothering to deny it and then voted me with no reasoning when I shoved Tess suggests they are extremely likely not town.

When Neutrals can be leashed or play for town its useful but thats not what we see here. They are flatly just playing in favor of the guy that called their alignment and supported their win con. That is very dangerous to town late game.

In my notes I have them as wolf.

My reads
1. Villageish on Chage-Kitty-Demonic-Its Something-Blue Beard. Playing like villagers
2. Oh no seems v
3. Dark Unicorn(?)

SCUM
1. Mafia Bro is not really playing or believing his reads. Mr bones tooo
2. Mr Pain is illogical with reads and makes strange/bad pushes
3. Inconspicuous man is red check + lolcating
4. Purple-Tess red checks and lies! v read them on tone

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

@FM-Comrade PickleRadish

Its up for sale

Also I don't actually see it on the Player Market? Did you check in with the host on finalizing the sale? Or did someone legitimately already swipe it?

[FM-Father and Sun]

I will buy it in the event we end up voting Purple or Tess, but it will be for naught if inco is lynched.

This will probably be my last post for the night. Letting my vote on Purple simmer for obvious reasons, because I don't think the 1-for-1 trade is worth it. Of course I'm biased b/c it is a life and death situation for me and seeing how frantic and divisive town seems to have gotten, I don't trust the trade, since it's hard for us to reach consensus.

Motivation to vote elsewhere

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

Because I am just saying, someone buying that painting whose name isn't Comrade Pickleradish can be pretty scummy.

[FM-Father and Sun]

Also I don't actually see it on the Player Market? Did you check in with the host on finalizing the sale? Or did someone legitimately already swipe it?

No I just don't think Lags done it yet

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

No I just don't think Lags done it yet

Well it's 1 to 4am in the US so if Lag is American then.... yeah.... I won't get the chance to get that painting in the next 8-10 hours if it doesn't go up now.

[FM-Father and Sun]

Well it's 1 to 4am in the US so if Lag is American then.... yeah.... I won't get the chance to get that painting in the next 8-10 hours if it doesn't go up now.

Preliminarily message Lag saying you'll buy it?

I've put it up for 1,312

Do you have that much money?

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

Preliminarily message Lag saying you'll buy it?

I've put it up for 1,312

Do you have that much money?

I only have $1238.

[FM-Father and Sun]

ok I'll drop it

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

also nice price. 13-12. "All Cops Are Bastards"

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

seeing how frantic and divisive town seems to have gotten,

I like this honestly.

The fact people are doing dumb shit with no reasoning is going to be super useful whenever any of those slots are resolved. Very useful information will come from this even if we end up with the worst outcome.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

Motivation to vote elsewhere

I'm already motivated to vote Purple for the time being, because why would I vote up my lover when I am not ready to "sacrifice" myself yet?

The Purple v. Tesseract vote really feels like a "50/50 the entire town hinges on it to win" type situation rn with all the.... hype around it

[FM-Father and Sun]

I'm already motivated to vote Purple for the time being, because why would I vote up my lover when I am not ready to "sacrifice" myself yet?

The Purple v. Tesseract vote really feels like a "50/50 the entire town hinges on it to win" type situation rn with all the.... hype around it

Motivation for me.

I want money.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

I suggest now, you guys, take this brief reprieve without Purple and Tesseract screaming at eachother, and without me yelling about "muh lover", to come to your own conclusions on the situation, hopefully in a more calm manner before the American players (or nocturnal Europeans) reawake.

[FM-ohno]

I'm already motivated to vote Purple for the time being, because why would I vote up my lover when I am not ready to "sacrifice" myself yet?

The Purple v. Tesseract vote really feels like a "50/50 the entire town hinges on it to win" type situation rn with all the.... hype around it

with all due respect, your lover is triad, and if he doesnt die today he is getting night vigged. Purple and Tesseract are basically T/T

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

FM-Purple (4 [L-7]):
FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Comrade PickleRadish, FM-Tesseract (Mayor)

FM-Tesseract (4 [L-7]):
FM-CBI Agent, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Forsaken Bones, FM-Blue Beard

FM-Inconspicuous Man (8 [L-3]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Purple, FM-Father and Sun, FM-ohno, FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Earless Artiste, FM-Demonic TP, FM-Mr Pain

FM-Dark Unicorn (1 [L-10]):
FM-Mr Bones

[FM-ohno]

I suggest now, you guys, take this brief reprieve without Purple and Tesseract screaming at eachother, and without me yelling about "muh lover", to come to your own conclusions on the situation, hopefully in a more calm manner before the American players (or nocturnal Europeans) reawake.

I can get behind this, except for ifnoring your lovet. They are a inportant part of the argument and should be considered

[FM-Father and Sun]

I suggest now, you guys, take this brief reprieve without Purple and Tesseract screaming at eachother, and without me yelling about "muh lover", to come to your own conclusions on the situation, hopefully in a more calm manner before the American players (or nocturnal Europeans) reawake.

yh.

I think we have to shoot in the red checks its stupid to not.

That said, I would happily shoot down Bones-Pain and others. I wish for a way to deloverize pickles

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

with all due respect, your lover is triad, and if he doesnt die today he is getting night vigged. Purple and Tesseract are basically T/T

If Purple and Tesseract are T/T, then who do you suggest to lynch in place of Incon, Purple, and Tesseract today? I want yall to think really deeply about this.

[FM-ohno]

If Purple and Tesseract are T/T, then who do you suggest to lynch in place of Incon, Purple, and Tesseract today? I want yall to think really deeply about this.

No one, not solving this mechanics nightnare today isbliterally stupid. There is no world we lynch outside those 3 for today. If for some reason all 3 were mod revealled town (and they wont be) then i would have to spend some time thinking, but i would probs end up pressuring a low posting slot

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

If Purple and Tesseract are T/T, then who do you suggest to lynch in place of Incon, Purple, and Tesseract today? I want yall to think really deeply about this.

Too tired to think deeply. But Bones feels like a very safe bet. I would also not be opposed to Mafia Bro although I would certainly want to read into them more before supporting such a move.

[FM-Father and Sun]

No one, not solving this mechanics nightnare today isbliterally stupid. There is no world we lynch outside those 3 for today. If for some reason all 3 were mod revealled town (and they wont be) then i would have to spend some time thinking, but i would probs end up pressuring a low posting slot

yh same this chat is already more fun when those two are throwing dung at each other. need it resolved.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

yh same this chat is already more fun when those two are throwing dung at each other. need it resolved.

Well said. The post farming has not been fun to deal with and I feel like there was 5 pages of nothing earlier.

[FM-ohno]

Btw can we talk about tesses roleblock claim on me? Because i honestly do not see how its relevant

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

If Purple and Tesseract are T/T, then who do you suggest to lynch in place of Incon, Purple, and Tesseract today? I want yall to think really deeply about this.

So I have to be honest. I think your life will be short.
People are gunning for Incon which makes no sense to me and even if they do not Ohno seems set on ending you and your lover tonight.

I don't know (and have not really given a shit) about Incon sense I saw them as self resolving but I do town read you. What are your reads outside of this mechanical trainwreck? Post flip your reads could give valuable perspective if you are willing to give them.

[FM-Father and Sun]

Btw can we talk about tesses roleblock claim on me? Because i honestly do not see how its relevant

I think, if true, it means you may be mafia who carried the mafia kill. Thats the implication Tess said.

Whats your role?

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Btw can we talk about tesses roleblock claim on me? Because i honestly do not see how its relevant

Roles mean nothing for alignment. I honestly do not see that it matters.

If we were to pretend it did they also claimed to have healed me and I got no indication of anything.

[FM-Father and Sun]

Roles mean nothing for alignment. I honestly do not see that it matters.

If we were to pretend it did they also claimed to have healed me and I got no indication of anything.

That many claims is >rand town because its so disprovable tbh.

[FM-ohno]

I think, if true, it means you may be mafia who carried the mafia kill. Thats the implication Tess said.

Whats your role?

-There is no factional kill in ?KRC games (except maybe arso), only role KP
-There is more than one scum faction (counting solos) who can kill.

with those things in mind how does roleblocking me even remotly implicate im evil? Esoecially considering my role cant even be roleblocked

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I think, if true, it means you may be mafia who carried the mafia kill. Thats the implication Tess said.

Whats your role?

Even though we had a flip of a 1kpn neutral I doubt there is not some other kill utility in existence. We honestly still do not know if we have a pack of neutrals, a scum team or a multiball to deal with. But the fact there was no N1 kill was interesting.

[FM-ohno]

Roles mean nothing for alignment. I honestly do not see that it matters.

If we were to pretend it did they also claimed to have healed me and I got no indication of anything.

Im not saying its AI, but their whole push on me is shit