S-FM Turnabout Mafia

[Mike]

I didn't read that at all

If you're saying it's a wolf slip, cool

But again; I refuse to believe MM is a shameful player as a wolf

What would make him shameful??

[Frog]

I'd probably be down to move Mag up to top wolf spot for raisins

But I think even if numbertwo is town, we probably lose the game in the end

I'll dive deeper into Magoroth now I guess

[Frog]

What would make him shameful??

I suppose telling a player to flip off crosses a personal bounds of etiquette for me, especially if that player is a wolf talking to a villager (I'm a villager)

So from my perspective, either MM is a shameful player and a wolf, or they're just a villager

[Light_Yagami]

I was going to basically give my vote to the judge during the last trial phase becaue i wanted to be sure we the ppl could trust his judgment. Thats why i didnt cast a vote. Since the bomber proved that judge has our best intrests at heart. Im more inclined to follow our judge based on that.

[Mike]

Ty frog all the info you can give town will help town out a lot in case you get voted out it will help town on reads. Less places for town to hide.

[Light_Yagami]

Ty frog all the info you can give town will help town out a lot in case you get voted out it will help town on reads. Less places for town to hide.

Less places for town to hide.. Yeah that dont sound scummy at all

[Light_Yagami]

Time for work

[Frog]

Ty frog all the info you can give town will help town out a lot in case you get voted out it will help town on reads. Less places for town to hide.

[Mike]

I suppose telling a player to flip off crosses a personal bounds of etiquette for me, especially if that player is a wolf talking to a villager (I'm a villager)

So from my perspective, either MM is a shameful player and a wolf, or they're just a villager

Take into consideration. Putting someone up to vote is not same as lyching them. Two innos on scum means scum win so not a bad play to put up you guilty defender and push his Inno that way he has an Inno then make him go to trial day 2 and use your auto Inno for a day 2 scum win. Remember what you don’t see is MM was hard pushing the Inno on Dumas in jury chat. Keep all this in mind.

Plus why where you not surprised about day scum chat but was surprised about Sloal being Judge 100% confirmed town?

[Mike]

D

Less places for town to hide.. Yeah that dont sound scummy at all

Wow light really you know I am referring to scum. Useing a cell phone to type why I am loaded with typos.

[Frog]

Take into consideration. Putting someone up to vote is not same as lyching them. Two innos on scum means scum win so not a bad play to put up you guilty defender and push his Inno that way he has an Inno then make him go to trial day 2 and use your auto Inno for a day 2 scum win. Remember what you don’t see is MM was hard pushing the Inno on Dumas in jury chat. Keep all this in mind.

Plus why where you not surprised about day scum chat but was surprised about Sloal being Judge 100% confirmed town?

I don't understand any of the mechanics talk, i just want to lynch wolves

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second part:

weird flex but okay

games of mafia tend to let mafia have a chat because that's the nature of the game; the uninformed majority vs the informed minority

it's like a cornerstone of the game

[Mike]

I don't understand any of the mechanics talk, i just want to lynch wolves

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second part:

weird flex but okay

games of mafia tend to let mafia have a chat because that's the nature of the game; the uninformed majority vs the informed minority

it's like a cornerstone of the game

The mechanics of the game can affect your reads. So if you are not taking that into consideration then your read are no good

[Frog]

The mechanics of the game can affect your reads. So if you are not taking that into consideration then your read are no good

My reads are simple:

Catch wolves

Clear villagers

GG

Mechanics are just the shiny glitter and bow

The nature of the game is unchanged, unless you're saying the goal of the game is to lynch villager and clear wolves

In which case, weird

[Mike]

My reads are simple:

Catch wolves

Clear villagers

GG

Mechanics are just the shiny glitter and bow

The nature of the game is unchanged, unless you're saying the goal of the game is to lynch villager and clear wolves

In which case, weird

No most games you don’t have Inno scum 2 times and wincon. It is the wincons you have to look at can make a players play different.

Ok if town guilt ya 3 town in a row town loses. If town innoed mafia 2 time period town loses

[Frog]

so what you're telling me:

catch wolves

clear villagers

seems pretty straight forward to me

[Mike]

This is one of the facts Sloal has been trying to tell you but you are not following him he is confirmed town you are not yet you want everyone to follow you. If you are town I think you can help town but at this time you are harming town.

[Mike]

so what you're telling me:

catch wolves

clear villagers

seems pretty straight forward to me

I give up

[Mike]

If jester was possible I would honestly read you as Jester

[Frog]

Sort By Postcount Become Werewolf Expert ENGAGE!!!

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These are villagers:

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Posts 309
Marshmallow Marshall

Posts 274
Mike

Posts 229
Distorted

Posts 209
blinkskater

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This is the sweet spot where wolves are:

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Posts 202
Voss - could go either way

Posts 182
Slaol - is chasing vanity stuff

Posts 170
Light_Yagami - could go either way

Posts 146
Magoroth - Almost always here

Posts 121
Damus_Graves - obvious mafia

Posts 112
Frog - I'm villager and only have a few hours of posting

Posts 66
Numbertwo - This would probably be too obvious

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3 villagers below this line are Low Hanging Fruit (easy mislynches)

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Posts 60
Gyrlander

Posts 58
Stealthbomber16

Posts 52
Kenny

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Yeah, my reads pretty much match up with post count reads so... GG EZ no RE

[Frog]

If jester was possible I would honestly read you as Jester

it's really not hard dude

just catch wolves

win

[Slaol]

Frog so im possibly mafia?

[Frog]

Frog so im possibly mafia?

Obviously I don't have any alignment reads for you

You seem to be some special role

The only thing I can comment on is your play

Which is that you're chasing vanity stuff

Exactly like you're doing here lol

If this makes you happy go for it mate

I'm happy to share in your happiness

[Mike]

Frog so im possibly mafia?

Roflol I am so lagging my ass off

[Slaol]

Obviously I don't have any alignment reads for you

You seem to be some special role

The only thing I can comment on is your play

Which is that you're chasing vanity stuff

Exactly like you're doing here lol

If this makes you happy go for it mate

I'm happy to share in your happiness

You do realize that my play fits into your scum reads but is confirmed town? Thus challenging all of your reads? Yet you dont care or feel a need to respond to that at all

[Frog]

Like Slaol;

I just looked at the setup right now

Being lost is not being wolf

Being wrong is not being wolf

but it's clear that the only thing you grasped from that sort by post count is whatever satiates your ego

it's also clear that you're chasing down a recent sub for not not doing enough, which is just 100% lolworthy

You're just doing this for vanity; and again, that's fine man

This is your type of play, this makes you happy, cool

I'll keep playing around you if I have to in the interim

[Frog]

yeah ok just read Magoroth's ISO

He's raging because he thinks he's caught for the wrong reasons

Spoiler : cvote :

Magoroth,Numbertwo,LightYagami,Voss,Mike,Kenny,Dis torted,MarshmallowMarshall,Gyrlander,Frog,

[Slaol]

Like Slaol;

I just looked at the setup right now

Being lost is not being wolf

Being wrong is not being wolf

but it's clear that the only thing you grasped from that sort by post count is whatever satiates your ego

it's also clear that you're chasing down a recent sub for not not doing enough, which is just 100% lolworthy

You're just doing this for vanity; and again, that's fine man

This is your type of play, this makes you happy, cool

I'll keep playing around you if I have to in the interim

Lord have mercy Frog. Im literally just asking for like vote and buddy analysis lol. Youre stuck on post count and syntax. I dont need "more" its not about "enough" its that your style of play has been a detriment to today as far as i can tell and id like you to offer different things. You dont want to actually contribute so this has nothing to do with me being happy, it has to do with you being a negative impact on the game and being proud of it.

[Slaol]

I dont even care if you start with your style but offer more. Theres about 80+% of the information that you're ignoring. The setup, votes, you havent asked about juror chat once. Youre jusr hoping to wave your dick and win town mvp in a loss and then blame everyone else for vanity lol

[Frog]

yeah ok - flip Magoroth - that should spew me clear

theyre straight up wolfing

[Frog]

Im still confused as to why so many others are following frog.

Frog is a drunkard if you guys didn't realize that yet,lol

Spoiler : cvote :

Frog,Voss,MarshmallowMarshall,Distorted,Kenny,Mike ,LightYagami,Gyrlander,Magoroth,Numbertwo,

yeah i think it's just exactly numbertwo + magoroth now

the omgus is strong and they both tick all the wolf boxes

Wolfy syntax

Wolfy voting

Wolfy OMGUS

Wolfy reaction to 'caught for the wrong reasons'

It's a gg here

[Frog]

GG dudes; I'm sure you had the thread bamboozled, and probably still do

[Frog]

I'll check back later today; but yeah

I'm pretty sure Mag + NumberTwo flips win the game

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feel free to look into that yourselves and see what I see:

RAAAA CAUGHT FOR THE WRONG RAISINS!!!

[Gyrlander]

My name is not Gyralander. Lmao.

[Mike]

yeah ok - flip Magoroth - that should spew me clear

theyre straight up wolfing

Shoal if he flips green should we consider his reads?

[Slaol]

Shoal if he flips green should we consider his reads?

Of course.

[Gyrlander]

I'm happy I'm keeping up with the game. And just wait 5 hours till I get home and I'll start responding to Dist shit things

[Frog]

Shoal if he flips green should we consider his reads?

You better!

[Ganelon]

are you desperately trying to get trialed?

or are you honestly that stupid

[Ganelon]

are you desperately trying to get trialed?

or are you honestly that stupid

I don't see why someone would want to be trialed, and I'm pretty sure Bomber can't bomb their own trial, so... :yeah:

[Ganelon]

ANYWAY. Since Frog's unlikely to change in play style/behaviour this game and is instead content to be a prick, I'm pursuing my alternative scum reads of Numbertwo, Gyrlander, MM.

[Gyrlander]

are you desperately trying to get trialed?

or are you honestly that stupid

Who are u talking to?

[Ganelon]

I'll check back later today; but yeah

I'm pretty sure Mag + NumberTwo flips win the game

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feel free to look into that yourselves and see what I see:

RAAAA CAUGHT FOR THE WRONG RAISINS!!!

I like how you lay into Mike for tunneling and then you tunnel yourself.

[Frog]

ANYWAY. Since Frog's unlikely to change in play style/behaviour this game and is instead content to be a prick, I'm pursuing my alternative scum reads of Numbertwo, Gyrlander, MM.

are you desperately trying to get trialed?

or are you honestly that stupid

Cut this type of behavior out mate

It's disgusting

[Gyrlander]

ANYWAY. Since Frog's unlikely to change in play style/behaviour this game and is instead content to be a prick, I'm pursuing my alternative scum reads of Numbertwo, Gyrlander, MM.

Please pursue me, I'm bored.

[Frog]

This is a game

If you get upset for being caught and resort to personal attacks, that's 100% losing the picture here

Have fun, but respect other players, and respect the game

You are 100% responsible for what you say

Your words are toxic here man

Stop it

I caught you, you're done, stop throwing a hissy fit

[Mike]

Of course.

Only reason I ask if becuse you are saying lych him becuse his reads are wrong so I am confused.

[Ganelon]

To those saying that Frog's behaviour may have potential scum motivation: reading solely what he has done this game, it's very clearly motivated by out-of-game reasons; he doesn't explain his reads in a way that can make others understand them, and he called the bloody mayor scum, which is absurd, and also faked "read him" as town. I'd expect a scum Frog to show some more flexibility in order to more easily manipulate people.

I do admit that Slaol does seem like the type of person who might be vulnerable to such manipulation, but it seems at best underhanded and at worst obvious as hell. I don't see it as scummy.

I know y'all are going to rail into me for "stopping a information Lynch" (?), but really, what has Frog brought to the game, besides syntax reads and a sense of coolness? You won't even know if his reads are true, and if you're going to sheep them just because you have a gut feeling he is town and badass you might as well lynch me right now.

This type of reads really rests more on "macro-meta" analysis over multiple games. Let me tell you this: there are a metric fuckton of confounding variables that come into play in meta reads like this one. Sure there probably is a correlation between "syntax" and alignment, but it's not like 100% correlated, hell, it's probably something closer to 50%.

[Ganelon]

This is a game

If you get upset for being caught and resort to personal attacks, that's 100% losing the picture here

Have fun, but respect other players, and respect the game

You are 100% responsible for what you say

Your words are toxic here man

Stop it

I caught you, you're done, stop throwing a hissy fit

It's honestly sad. I used to use similar kinds of reads as you, but those don't work 100% of the time. It's literally hit 100%, miss 100% or (most of the time) around 50/50.

[Ganelon]

To those saying that Frog's behaviour may have potential scum motivation: reading solely what he has done this game, it's very clearly motivated by out-of-game reasons; he doesn't explain his reads in a way that can make others understand them, and he called the bloody mayor scum, which is absurd, and also faked "read him" as town. I'd expect a scum Frog to show some more flexibility in order to more easily manipulate people.

I do admit that Slaol does seem like the type of person who might be vulnerable to such manipulation, but it seems at best underhanded and at worst obvious as hell. I don't see it as scummy.

I know y'all are going to rail into me for "stopping a information Lynch" (?), but really, what has Frog brought to the game, besides syntax reads and a sense of coolness? You won't even know if his reads are true, and if you're going to sheep them just because you have a gut feeling he is town and badass you might as well lynch me right now.

This type of reads really rests more on "macro-meta" analysis over multiple games. Let me tell you this: there are a metric fuckton of confounding variables that come into play in meta reads like this one. Sure there probably is a correlation between "syntax" and alignment, but it's not like 100% correlated, hell, it's probably something closer to 50%.

by he, I mean Frog and not sb16.

[AIVION]

@AIVION I nominate @Mike to be the prosecutor in the case against frog

Ummm... Lol :P If it happens it happens!

@AIVION does there need to be any vote reset for a reserve? How would we handle that

For the C Vote? Not that I'm aware, I believe Voss already fixed that as of now. for votes to skip/whatever you guys are using the normal voting for: I can handle it if necessary.

I also just want to remind you all you can vote to skip if you are all of a agreed upon consensus. [vote]skip[./vote] without the .