M-FM Fringe: Alternate Universe

[M-FM Almost Late]

Thats fine , i appreciate the effort you put in compared to the rest.
Scum don't need to be active , before we kill off all lurkers we will have lost already.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

The entire premise is that we self regulate so the other universe has a chance if things go south , not to fuck us.
If we find a scum we lynch a scum, no need to regulate. But if we don't find scum then we mind want to think about not pooling 7 votes on a person. The only reason this is needed is if the other universe has 5 votes and we have 4 , then scum can just sheep votes on the pile.

Its interesting you don't understand this considering you have done just this yesterday.

Koolaid wasn't considered scum, just a uselss slot. In his case that would be a vote you are suggesting we would regulate, yes?

So basically in your eyes, we wasted everything on him.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Koolaid wasn't considered scum, just a uselss slot. In his case that would be a vote you are suggesting we would regulate, yes?

So basically in your eyes, we wasted everything on him.

I have no clue who you are and its annoying me greatly because i can't think of anybody who is so obsessed with details.
Or taking such assumptions for that matter. Matter of pact i'm thinking you are just playing scum advocate here.

Koolaid was considered scum, but it turned out he was a useless citizen, like most people here.

I will give you one more example: say universe A has found a scum, but they only have 4 town compared to our 8 people.
We should not go above 3 votes because they can never lynch that scum. Because scum will likely try to pile 5 votes in our universe.
Thats why big trains should be held under scrutiny.

[M-FM Yes]

I didn't feel the need to drop what I was doing to respond. The claim was shitty, and even if he was vig, a trade to save an extremely anti town player to kill a pro town player (Marksman) is not a trade I'd make any day.

What do you mean drop what you were doing? You were already reading the thread lol. So you're saying potentially lynching one of the four tpr in this setup on d1 is better than confirming the slot and killing another random player?

[M-FM Yes]

I guess it'll take a bit to know for sure, but I'm guessing William Bell is in our Universe.

[M-FM Yes]

What do you think about the possibility of scum hitting William Bell last night? How do you think they would handle him?

[M-FM Zealot]

What do you mean drop what you were doing? You were already reading the thread lol. So you're saying potentially lynching one of the four tpr in this setup on d1 is better than confirming the slot and killing another random player?

I follow the game on my phone while doing other things.

And yes, I'd rather lynch a shitty vig claim who refused to claim or play for hours yet showed up at last second to try to survive last second. And when he doesn't shoot anyone and isn't confirmed? What happens today? He's lynched for lying. He fake claimed as citizen to try to save himself. You seem to forget how extremely anti town that was.

[M-FM Marksman]

No.

What do you mean drop what you were doing? You were already reading the thread lol. So you're saying potentially lynching one of the four tpr in this setup on d1 is better than confirming the slot and killing another random player?

The answer above means that even if he had been vigilante and had shot me, he would not have been confirmed.

What do you think about the possibility of scum hitting William Bell last night? How do you think they would handle him?

That is a possibility I had forgotten about. I think unlike most setups where the mafia want to let the neutral killer run rampant for as long as possible to keep the KPN up, in this one the mafia are going to want to turn him in because if they allow him to get to the point where he is one of the last people remaining in a universe, it collapses and he wins. And since his kills depend on other people's night actions, they're not as steady and predictable as a typical SK or something. So the longer he's alive, the higher chance that there will just be a single night with a mass chain reaction of charge deaths that collapse a universe. The sooner he's dealt with, the sooner that is no longer a concern.

[M-FM Zealot]

There's no way to quote day 1 but you can click on Kyokos username and see all the posts together.

Post 184 Kyoko sheep's my vote on Cruise, no explanation given. Post 185 they mention that they do t town read Kool Aid. They don't talk about Kool Aid again the rest of the day.

Post 192 they admit they are voting Cruise "just because"

Post 195 more game mechanics. Post 196 justifies vote for Cruise as pressure.

That's it for them the rest of the day. Their posts before those mentioned here:

181-183 mechanics/strategy/general mafia discussion

Before that... Actually reviewing before that there was more substance that I just had forgot about so

-unvote

[M-FM Zealot]

Ill have to think about this more in a few hours. Ill try to follow along here on my phone though.

[M-FM Yes]

I'm down with an AR or cruise vote today. I like letting the other universe lynch today considering they either were hit with a kill or scum hit William/were roleblocked. Either way it seems like nothing visible happened here last night.

[AnassRhamur]

Im not the one that went lynch happy and lynched a citizen.

Also Yes, i see how it is. Town goes after you and i try defending you and you go and do dis shit. I see how it is. Keep one eye open when you sleep nig im coming for you. As long as you live within 500 miles from me i aint opposed to breaking your knees.

[M-FM Yes]

Im not the one that went lynch happy and lynched a citizen.

Also Yes, i see how it is. Town goes after you and i try defending you and you go and do dis shit. I see how it is. Keep one eye open when you sleep nig im coming for you. As long as you live within 500 miles from me i aint opposed to breaking your knees.

You haven't actually done anything. I didn't even say that we should lynch you. lol

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I gave my reads yesterday, and they haven't substantially changed, but I'll post them here again.

1. M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri: Trying way too hard to seem useful and to pressure me. Scumread.
2. M-FM Yes: Lean scum, but not married to the idea.
3. M-FM Zealot: Town lean.
4. M-FM Zynonymous: Can't read.
5. M-FM Almost Late: Town leader.
6. AnassRhamur: Useless. Possibly flying under the radar, but more likely just doesn't know how to play.
8. M-FM Marksman: Clearly trying to be a strong town player, but I'm not entirely sure I buy it.

[AnassRhamur]

Hey did you guys realize im the only non anon account lol

[M-FM Zynonymous]

I'm down with an AR or cruise vote today. I like letting the other universe lynch today considering they either were hit with a kill or scum hit William/were roleblocked. Either way it seems like nothing visible happened here last night.

So.... I'm guessing your one that just wants someone to die... Noted.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Did nothing really happen last night to anyone?

[M-FM Yes]

So.... I'm guessing your one that just wants someone to die... Noted.

What?

[M-FM Marksman]

Hmm. I'm liking yes more today than I did yesterday. Not sure about him anymore.

-unvote

Also did Zyn have a stroke or something?

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

If we're going to pressure anyone today, we need to get it in gear.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

-vote M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri

[M-FM Marksman]

Yeah, I've been waiting for others to show up and give their thoughts, but it's been a very slow day today...

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Well, I put my vote on my top scumread. I'll see how they react; for now I'm going to bed.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Im off to Aachen for 2 days. I wont be here except for those 10 mins i find time and i guess if the game goes this slow i can get a response.
Don't lose the game while i'm gone. Bye

[M-FM Zealot]

So is Kyoko being replaced?

[AnassRhamur]

What if by sheer luck all the mafia were in the other universe lol

[M-FM Yes]

I'm kind of okay with how the vote totals are looking for today but the lack of discussion is kind of sad.

[M-FM Marksman]

I'm kind of okay with how the vote totals are looking for today but the lack of discussion is kind of sad.

Yeah, that's not looking great for us. I wonder if the other universe is more active.

[M-FM Marksman]

On the flip side, I guess the other universe gets to lynch today.

[M-FM Yes]

On the flip side, I guess the other universe gets to lynch today.

Yeah but it's kind of hard to get a feel for everyone when no one posts

[M-FM Marksman]

Yeah but it's kind of hard to get a feel for everyone when no one posts

Same

[M-FM Zealot]

You all act surprised. I'm not surprised.

[M-FM Zealot]

It doesn't help that only one universe can lynch each day.

That being said we should have at least 3 votes on someone. I would hate it if scum told the others universe to so the same as here and someone gets lynched with one vote.

-vote M-FM Zynonymous

[M-FM Zealot]

I expect Kyoko to be replaced. Zyn however has posted enough to not be modkilled but not enough to stand out as someone actually playing. And I really really don't like that.

[M-FM Zealot]

I implore 2 people to join me in this fail safe vote on Zyn.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

I implore 2 people to join me in this fail safe vote on Zyn.

I would help out, but it seems self votes don't work here.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

It doesn't help that only one universe can lynch each day.

That being said we should have at least 3 votes on someone. I would hate it if scum told the others universe to so the same as here and someone gets lynched with one vote.

-vote M-FM Zynonymous

Any justification to go along with a lynch?

[M-FM Marksman]

I implore 2 people to join me in this fail safe vote on Zyn.

I will if you can convince me that he's a good lynch target. I haven't seen much of a case against him and while I don't trust him, that isn't really saying much as I don't really trust anyone at the moment.

[M-FM Zealot]

I will if you can convince me that he's a good lynch target. I haven't seen much of a case against him and while I don't trust him, that isn't really saying much as I don't really trust anyone at the moment.

He's not a lynch target he's a fail safe in case the other universe doesn't lynch.

[M-FM Zealot]

I guess 1 vote on 3 people works too I just don't want scum to last minute pile 2 votes on me or you or almost late and we get lynched because there aren't any votes and the other universe has no votes either.

[M-FM Zealot]

Like nobody is thinking through the potential problem with not having votes.

[M-FM Zealot]

If no one else joins me on Zyn by days end ill probably put my vote on Cruise or Koyoto just in case.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

You're going to accuse me of sheeping again, but I would agree that we should put votes on someone useful rather than someone liable to be replaced out, and Zynonymous is way too quiet.

-vote M-FM Zynonymous

However, if Zyn dies and flips town, I might have to look at Zealot a bit harder, since that'd put him as in the front on two mislynches.

[M-FM Zealot]

You're going to accuse me of sheeping again, but I would agree that we should put votes on someone useful rather than someone liable to be replaced out, and Zynonymous is way too quiet.

-vote M-FM Zynonymous

However, if Zyn dies and flips town, I might have to look at Zealot a bit harder, since that'd put him as in the front on two mislynches.

Max 3 votes. He won't by lynched (that's the idea anyway)

[M-FM Marksman]

He's not a lynch target he's a fail safe in case the other universe doesn't lynch.

Failsafe and lynch target are effectively the same thing. We're giving priority to the main universe, but if they decide not to use it or can't get enough votes onto a single person, our votes determine who will be lynched. So before putting my vote on a "failsafe" I need to know why I should be ok with them being lynched in the event that it ends up going through.

[M-FM Marksman]

And "too quiet" isn't enough of a reason. If someone is too quiet they'll get modkilled. Or we can leave them for a vigilante. No need to waste lynches on them.

[M-FM Zealot]

And "too quiet" isn't enough of a reason. If someone is too quiet they'll get modkilled. Or we can leave them for a vigilante. No need to waste lynches on them.

I don't see you suggesting any alternatives

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Hello, sorry I wasn't here for most of the while. I'll be here for a few hours till the end of the day or something.

[M-FM Zealot]

Hello, sorry I wasn't here for most of the while. I'll be here for a few hours till the end of the day or something.

More than 36 hours this day alone.

[M-FM Marksman]

I don't see you suggesting any alternatives

That's not how this works. If you want my vote, convince me I should give it to you. Saying that I haven't suggested an alternative, while a true statement, is not a compelling argument and will get you nowhere.