M-FM Fringe: Alternate Universe

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

How is our universe low population?

Assuming we lynch one, or have one night killed, and then the transporter sends one out? That's 4 people. That's pretty low.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Too easy of a chance for Bell to be in the dying universe if people start leaving as well.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Too easy of a chance for Bell to be in the dying universe if people start leaving as well.

Exactly what I said above.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

So we've got 5 votes on Zynonymous, which means that if he flips Mafia, we probably don't have any mafia left in this universe.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I think if this universe has less than four people, we should think EXTREMELY HARD about lynching unless we're 100% positive they're William Bell.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I think if this universe has less than four people, we should think EXTREMELY HARD about lynching unless we're 100% positive they're William Bell.

Four or less, rather.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Also, if by some miracle Zyn flips William Bell, it should be top priority for AL to send someone to the other universe to spread the word over there.

[M-FM Yes]

Warp someone here to confirm yourself pls. Someone we haven't had before. I think badass or unknown would be good.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

@M-FM Zynonymous I take it this is a cit claim?

[Forum Mafia GM]

No one was lynched in this Universe.

[Forum Mafia GM]

@OrpZed Are roles unique?

Not necessarily.

@OrpZed Can a Mafia member in one universe be sent to night-kill someone in the other universe?

No.

@OrpZed If the universes combine will all of the dead players and roles be visible?

No. The universes do not combine; merely one collapses. In this case, only the players who died in the non-collapsed universe will be visible.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Welcome to N4!

If you have a night action, please submit it at least an hour before night ends.

Living Players:
1. M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri
2. M-FM Yes
3. M-FM Zynonymous
4. M-FM Almost Late
5. M-FM Cruise Elroy
6. M-FM Marksman

Dead Players:
1. M-FM Kool-Aid - Citizen
2. AnassRhamur - Corrupted Enhanced Citizen

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[Forum Mafia GM]

Welcome to D5!

M-FM Marksman died last night. His role was Mayor.

M-FM Zynonymous died last night. His role was Corrupt Architect.

Living Players:
1. M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri
2. M-FM Yes
3. M-FM Almost Late
4. M-FM Cruise Elroy

Dead Players:
1. M-FM Kool-Aid - Citizen
2. AnassRhamur - Corrupted Enhanced Citizen
3. M-FM Marksman - Mayor
4. M-FM Zynonymous - Corrupt Architect

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[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Well, looks like Zyn was a good lynch, even if we didn't get him...here's my last will from last night.

Man, they must've had a really good lynch in the other universe for Zyn to survive five votes.

This does tell us that as of the end of the day, they had no less than five people alive in the other universe, as they would've needed 5 people to tie our lynchvote. They may have more.

Last night if I was dead I would've said Vig, but tonight I'm honestly not sure. I don't think I'm valuable enough for the Mafia to kill with as many power roles in the open as claimed, but Bell could've charged me.

Almost Late claims Transporter, and I trust Marksman completely. Yes is still questionable in my mind. Zyn and Kyoko are both lynchbait, and if they're both alive, I think one of them should have their neck stretched.

Be careful if there's only four or three people in the universe, as a mislynch would likely cost us the game.

Unknown claims Doctor. There's probably a town killing role(Veteran or Vigilante), and I place my money on Vig.

There's also claims of feedback for an architect and a bus driver. With three town power roles in the game already, one, if not both, of those is likely scum.

Also, regarding William Bell, at least three people universe are charged, since he's now had four nights to hand out charges and only one of us has died. (KoolAid doesn't count because he was dead before N1.) The only way this changes is if Rhamur was actually killed by charges, which I consider extremely unlikely.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I also received no feedback.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

At this point I am extremely hesitant to lynch, since its quite possibly a losing move if William Bell is over here. I wish we knew if they'd lynched him on the other end.

We can rule out the existence of a Mayor in the other universe, which means my "Five people alive" thing is correct, since a Mayor was the only thing that could've changed the vote count. It may be very difficult for us to lynch with only three votes max(since whoever's the target won't be voting themselves!). That said, I don't know if we even have mafia left in this universe; splitting them 3/1 in the setup would be odd.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

If someone is in an architect chat with the people in the other universe, feel free to share information freely since Zyn can no longer read it.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Actually, strike that. There theoretically could be a second corrupt architect(although I view it very unlikely.)

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Anyways, I'm off to bed. I'll check in again in the morning.

[M-FM Yes]

rest in peace marksman ;-;

[M-FM Yes]

I think that pretty much confirms the existence of the vig. I think it's a safe bet they lynched Bell in the other universe last day. I'm like 70% on that. I think it's the only way they could pile enough votes on him to stop our lynch.

[M-FM Yes]

nothing happened to me last night

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

If Bell is/was in the other universe, I think we may not have anyone worth lynching over here. AL is the transporter(confirmed at this point in my mind), and one of the other three of us is a vig. Zealot is probably dead.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

And then there's a doctor claimant in the other universe, and if there's a bus driver, he's probably town. But I would question if there is, since the only person claiming bussed was Zyn and he had ample reason to lie.

[M-FM Yes]

And then there's a doctor claimant in the other universe, and if there's a bus driver, he's probably town. But I would question if there is, since the only person claiming bussed was Zyn and he had ample reason to lie.

Yeah I think he was saying that to make a possible vig hesitate. No other bus claims from this universe.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

No feedback.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Knowing the amount of players on the other side, I am also against using a transporter to move people between universes now. Maybe in two days I'll pressure AL to reconsider it or something.
I guess a big thing to note is that Moogle decided not to come back today. That likely means that Bell is not dead yet.

[M-FM Yes]

Knowing the amount of players on the other side, I am also against using a transporter to move people between universes now. Maybe in two days I'll pressure AL to reconsider it or something.
I guess a big thing to note is that Moogle decided not to come back today. That likely means that Bell is not dead yet.

or the more likely scenario imo which is that he's out of charges.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Or Moogle is dead. Any of the three's a good enough explanation.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I mean, Moogle claimed Enhanced Citizen, but that's the obvious claim for Bell. For all we know they figured him out and killed him.

[M-FM Almost Late]

I know this is normally not considered good strats but i do believe its in our best interest to roleclaim right now.
I think all mafia are dead so that cuts their connection with the other universe and all information will be contained here and when we go into the other universe we can go as a united town block.

I'm slightly sad i never got to transport Marksman, it was on my mind the entire game. He played a good mayor game. I wonder how he died, Zyn or Bell

[M-FM Almost Late]

I also got no feedback, my last will was basically an entire post stating how Zyn was absolutely mafia.

I made a codeword in the architect chat it was "despicable" he said it just before the end of the day. As a last ditch effort to try and live.
So i think the other universe barely got a lynch off or it was 5 people

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Well, I would still suspect there's a better than 50% chance that they have more people than us, since the mafia killed over here last night.

As for the roleclaim, sure. I ain't got shit to hide. I am, and always have been, a humble Citizen.

I still predict at least a 30% chance that you don't believe me and I end up swinging or shot.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Actually, Bell, if alive, could've killed Marksman too...she wouldn't have all been a bad target for Bell. So that throws off my math.

Though if that happened, I suspect that means that either Moogle was Bell, or Bell is here.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

@M-FM AlmostLate: Do you know who's alive in the other universe, or if you tried to pull someone here, would it simply be blind guessing?

[M-FM Almost Late]

It would simply be blind guessing , i have no clue about the other universe

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Alright. Probably not worth spending a charge to bring someone over.

How many charges do you have left, if I can ask and you don't mind sharing?

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Hi I am a cit.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Well, I would still suspect there's a better than 50% chance that they have more people than us, since the mafia killed over here last night.

As for the roleclaim, sure. I ain't got shit to hide. I am, and always have been, a humble Citizen.

I still predict at least a 30% chance that you don't believe me and I end up swinging or shot.

Yeah, they beat us to the lynch.
I take it you calculate those odds because Bell might have shocked some people last night. When Moogle was here, he didn't say anything about shocked deaths, which would be a good thing to hide if he was Bell or that Bell has been targeting poorly. He told us there was a doctor/person healed combo, that doctor is either killed by maf or charged.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Knowing the amount of players on the other side, I am also against using a transporter to move people between universes now. Maybe in two days I'll pressure AL to reconsider it or something.

I guess a big thing to note is that Moogle decided not to come back today. That likely means that Bell is not dead yet.

I also retract this statement. Almost Late could shock himself by targeting someone.
Could check anyway

@OrpZed Transporter targets player A and B. Which people is he considered to visit?

[M-FM Yes]

Well that leaves me as the vig I guess.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I guess this is gonna be a slow day. We seemingly don't have much to discuss, and with the mafia probably wiped out over here, I don't see a point in lynching Kyoko (or me), because our primary possible scum role is William Bell and a mislynch is likely game-ending.

I guess I'll just kinda poke my head in once in a while to see if anyone has a counter argument.

For now, though, who do you most suspect of being William Bell(assuming he's not dead yet) based on given intel, and do you think the other universe is going to give us a message anytime soon?

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I suppose the best plan at this point would be to wait to see what happens tomorrow, although in my mind, if either me or Kyoko dies, the Vig doesn't claim it, and nobody warps over, the survivor should be lynched just to make sure Bell can't get their win.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Basically, here's my plan.

Today: No lynch. (Keeps us at 4 people, away from a Bell win.)
Tonight: Skip night actions. (I'd guess most if not all of us are charged, and Bell can't be killed by Yes anyways.)
Tomorrow: If one person has warped over, lynch them on policy(Bell seeking an easy win). If Kyoko or me are dead, and nobody has warped, lynch whichever one of us isn't dead. If AL or Yes are dead, lynch whichever of us is more scummy at that point.

The following flaw exists: Two+ people warp over without the other universe collapsing...what do we do? Will the other universe let us lynch if we need to? (Probably not).

Anyone have input on the plan, or suggestions for the flaws?

[M-FM Yes]

What do you think about forcing a collapse into the other universe? I'm pretty sure bell is dead at this point considering the fact that there have been 0 bell kills here.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

How would we know there were no Bell kills?

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

What do you think about forcing a collapse into the other universe? I'm pretty sure bell is dead at this point considering the fact that there have been 0 bell kills here.

This actually comes off super-scummy to me for some reason...I think it's unlikely, but Bell faking Vigilante would work...

[M-FM Yes]

How would we know there were no Bell kills?

????
I killed 2+4 we lynched Kool-aid and the mayor didn't visit anyone for a charge to activate. It's really unlikely to me that they double charged her. Pretty obvious scum kill to me.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I guess, but I'm not in favor of forcing a universe collapse at this moment.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

But it's not like anyone elected me town leader either. Our town leader was Marksman and she's dead.