S-FM 212: Paired Mafia

[Eggy]

Killing Yuki would have outed you LOL.

yes but I leave the game once I meet my wincon so it would have been a bunch of tiwns left with just duck

[Eggy]

Yes. Eggy's town meta is sooo distinct from his scum/neutral meta. I knew he wasn't town with just his 5 first posts.



You played great. I never suspected you and Frog could be a team because of your reaction to his buddying. I frankly thought you were town and Yuki was scum. Sadly Quick likes to see you play scum.



MattZed?

of coarse you did buddy

[Eggy]

Yes. Eggy's town meta is sooo distinct from his scum/neutral meta. I knew he wasn't town with just his 5 first posts.



You played great. I never suspected you and Frog could be a team because of your reaction to his buddying. I frankly thought you were town and Yuki was scum. Sadly Quick likes to see you play scum.



MattZed?

this was my first game neutral no he had chance to block my last shot but e didnt know yuki was healed so he protected titus

[MiniZed]

Eggy didn't you say three things day 1? Lol

[Yukitaka Oni]

Killing Yuki would have outed you LOL.

There is only town train allowed on yuki

[Never Unlucky]

of coarse you did buddy

I did. You're that easy to read. It's not a good thing.

[Quick]

I did. You're that easy to read. It's not a good thing.

I haven't played with anyone here enough for people to read my right I don't think. Admittedly, I have a very Scummy meta, but its Scummy regardless of if I am Town or Scum.

I think what may make Eggy easy to read is 1) he's relatively new to Forum mafia. I think he's right at the crux of where its easiest to read him. What I mean is that with a total newb, its hard to read them because they don't at all know what they are doing and eggy's not THAT new. But he prolly hasn't been able to really pin point what his Town game looks like either. 2) (And I could be wrong about this) Eggy doesn't say as much when scum. Rather than keeping the length of posts roughly the same for both his Town game and Scum game, he prolly doesn't know as much about what to say as Scum.

[Eggy]

Eggy didn't you say three things day 1? Lol

yea I love lurk scum lol easiest way to win after I relized that lurkers tend to be ignored

[Eggy]

I haven't played with anyone here enough for people to read my right I don't think. Admittedly, I have a very Scummy meta, but its Scummy regardless of if I am Town or Scum.

I think what may make Eggy easy to read is 1) he's relatively new to Forum mafia. I think he's right at the crux of where its easiest to read him. What I mean is that with a total newb, its hard to read them because they don't at all know what they are doing and eggy's not THAT new. But he prolly hasn't been able to really pin point what his Town game looks like either. 2) (And I could be wrong about this) Eggy doesn't say as much when scum. Rather than keeping the length of posts roughly the same for both his Town game and Scum game, he prolly doesn't know as much about what to say as Scum.

yea this is true I tend to be way more lurky as scum for fear of messing up and since I realized if I lurk everyone just kills eachother and ignores their are basically no policy lynches ever. Also I was actually busy in the begging

[Eggy]

Eggy didn't you say three things day 1? Lol

yea I wasnt lurking in purpose I was just really busy

[Eggy]

I did. You're that easy to read. It's not a good thing.

well it helps when im town which i an pretty often. Im super easy to read so I litteraly have never been muslynched

[Never Unlucky]

I haven't played with anyone here enough for people to read my right I don't think. Admittedly, I have a very Scummy meta, but its Scummy regardless of if I am Town or Scum.

I think what may make Eggy easy to read is 1) he's relatively new to Forum mafia. I think he's right at the crux of where its easiest to read him. What I mean is that with a total newb, its hard to read them because they don't at all know what they are doing and eggy's not THAT new. But he prolly hasn't been able to really pin point what his Town game looks like either. 2) (And I could be wrong about this) Eggy doesn't say as much when scum. Rather than keeping the length of posts roughly the same for both his Town game and Scum game, he prolly doesn't know as much about what to say as Scum.

It's all to your advantage I think. Meta reads are shitty most of the time.

As for Eggy, I wouldn't consider him to be new to FM. He has played 10-15 games on this site. That's more than me. It realistically is enough experience to be aware of his metas or to know what he should be doing in a game, right?

yea I love lurk scum lol easiest way to win after I relized that lurkers tend to be ignored

Cancerous mindset. You should be ashamed.

well it helps when im town which i an pretty often. Im super easy to read so I litteraly have never been muslynched

That's the way I thought when I was bad. That's the way bad players think. That's the way you think.

[Quick]

It's all to your advantage I think. Meta reads are shitty most of the time.

As for Eggy, I wouldn't consider him to be new to FM. He has played 10-15 games on this site. That's more than me. It realistically is enough experience to be aware of his metas or to know what he should be doing in a game, right?

I didn't consider myself out of "newb stage" until I hit 20 games, but ymmv.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

What was up with Titus this game? Very sloppy, would be an easy mislynch in normal setups
Frog was pretty obv mafia
Mattzed and unknown were obv towns

Eggy fooled me with the jester comment:/ wp

[MiniZed]

What was up with Titus this game? Very sloppy, would be an easy mislynch in normal setups
Frog was pretty obv mafia
Mattzed and unknown were obv towns

Eggy fooled me with the jester comment:/ wp

Titus seemed way too defensive this game. I also don't know why but she pretty much just targeted me and my "brother" the entire game.

MattZed wasn't Town though, XD

[MiniZed]

-vote SuperJack

He seemed to have had a better game. He was way easier to read and made more sense than another random person like SimpleJoy or Carrot Cake.

[MiniZed]

There is only town train allowed on yuki

Yuki must see Town train and know Unknown town.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Tough to defend Titus.....hm....worth it

[MattZed]

GG everyone!

-vote PLZLEAVEDUCKK

Duckk for MVP because he was probably the best of the non-town at blending in, and if the massclaim wasn't so townsided, he may have stood a fair chance.

I'd like to thank @Quick for hosting! As for the balance of the setup, I really have to take the blame on this one. When I approved that game, I hadn't thought through the balance of town's ability to massclaim thoroughly enough. It was my impression that scum would have more options out in event of a massclaim (IE: Being able to coordinate with their daychat in order to mess town up) and that town was in the especially precarious position of possibly not being able to afford more than one mislynch. (mislynch D1 means mafia only needs to remove two more town in group 1 via night kills to win) But in the end the setup is heavily townsided. If someone would like to do a "paired" setup like this in the future, I would suggest:

1. Hidden Roles (IE: Don't say there will 2 cits, 2 positive utility, 2 negative utility)
2. Mafia Night kill does 3 HP damage (2 HP nerf was to prevent the situation of a quick mafia win like I outlined above, but it was overkill; scum needs to be able to eliminate vocal town)
3. Fewer/no town-town pairings. (IE: Consort-Escort, so a town escort would know of a scum role, but wouldn't be able to confirm a fellow town's claim)

[Eggy]

It's all to your advantage I think. Meta reads are shitty most of the time.

As for Eggy, I wouldn't consider him to be new to FM. He has played 10-15 games on this site. That's more than me. It realistically is enough experience to be aware of his metas or to know what he should be doing in a game, right?



Cancerous mindset. You should be ashamed.



That's the way I thought when I was bad. That's the way bad players think. That's the way you think.

you are bad tho way worse than me. Maybe not very new but Ive never played mafia on any other site or in ay type of way just started this year.

[SuperJack]

you are bad tho way worse than me. Maybe not very new but Ive never played mafia on any other site or in ay type of way just started this year.

And you have done well, becoming a solid active member of the FM community. =)

[Never Unlucky]

you are bad tho way worse than me. Maybe not very new but Ive never played mafia on any other site or in ay type of way just started this year.

You're as good as your spelling for the record. You're always saying "X is 99% mafia lets get this over with" and, before this game, it always so happened that X was the 1% who wasn't mafia. Before this game, you never were able to correctly read a mafia. You never got nightkilled (except in Politico, but that was because you were mayor, not because you were 1/4 decent). In 10-15 games. Skill.

[mod]Friendly reminder to everyone to stay civil after the end of a game. - MattZed[/mod]

[SuperJack]

You're as good as your spelling for the record. You're always saying "X is 99% mafia lets get this over with" and, before this game, it always so happened that X was the 1% who wasn't mafia. Before this game, you never were able to correctly read a mafia. You never got nightkilled (except in Politico, but that was because you were mayor, not because you were 1/4 decent). In 10-15 games. Skill.

If I could neg rep you, I would. But I can't so.

What was the purpose of this post, other than just to attack Eggy?

[Never Unlucky]

If I could neg rep you, I would. But I can't so.

What was the purpose of this post, other than just to attack Eggy?

Disprove that he is better than anyone/hope he gets self-conscious and improves/get him off his high horse.

You are making a mistake if you think I care about rep.

[SuperJack]

Disprove that he is better than anyone/hope he gets self-conscious and improves/get him off his high horse.

You are making a mistake if you think I care about rep.

The purpose of it was to disapprove of your post. Not about rep points. To try and show the sort of post is not the sort of post that is...decent.

The posts you are making are the sort of posts that have caused me, and others, to back away from the game. Because this sort of negative aggressive feedback just generates a toxic cloud at the end of the game.

Your posts are not going to improve anything. It will just cause further toxicity and nothing good comes out of it. If your going to post like this at the end of games, that your not even in, to post and cause toxicity then I suggest to Change either your tone or your Decision to post.

Quick addressed what Eggy has done finely indeed. Rather than attack him, he fed him feedback in a positive way.

[ThePrince]

You've obviously played before.. Do you mind if I ask where? I think you said in the signup thread but I forgot.

opbforums.

It is not a mafia based forums, it's a manga and anime based forum (especially One Piece) that has mafia.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Hm...

[Never Unlucky]

The purpose of it was to disapprove of your post. Not about rep points. To try and show the sort of post is not the sort of post that is...decent.

Oh, it was 100% an attack. I am not denying it. Your post was
"What was the purpose of this post, other than just to attack Eggy?"
Other than. I did not feel the need to restate it.

The posts you are making are the sort of posts that have caused me, and others, to back away from the game. Because this sort of negative aggressive feedback just generates a toxic cloud at the end of the game.

If it bothers you that much, you don't have to read the post-game chat. No one forces you to. No one forces you to add fuel to the fire that is the 'toxicity cloud'.

It's the Internet we're talking about. If you take everything seriously and/or personally, you chose the wrong medium to express yourself. There will always be some salt and some toxicity in FM. You cannot prevent that.

Your posts are not going to improve anything. It will just cause further toxicity and nothing good comes out of it. If your going to post like this at the end of games, that your not even in, to post and cause toxicity then I suggest to Change either your tone or your Decision to post.

Same goes to your posts. You tell players who have not necessarily played well that they were good. You do not give any criticism on the way they play. It does not improve anything, does it?

I shall try twisting my tongue twice before posting next time.

Quick addressed what Eggy has done finely indeed. Rather than attack him, he fed him feedback in a positive way.

Mhhm.

[SuperJack]

Oh, it was 100% an attack. I am not denying it. Your post was
"What was the purpose of this post, other than just to attack Eggy?"
Other than. I did not feel the need to restate it.





If it bothers you that much, you don't have to read the post-game chat. No one forces you to. No one forces you to add fuel to the fire that is the 'toxicity cloud'.

It's the Internet we're talking about. If you take everything seriously and/or personally, you chose the wrong medium to express yourself. There will always be some salt and some toxicity in FM. You cannot prevent that.



Same goes to your posts. You tell players who have not necessarily played well that they were good. You do not give any criticism on the way they play. It does not improve anything, does it?

I shall try twisting my tongue twice before posting next time.



Mhhm.

Just reread what you just said and try to understand the poor excuses ("don't look", "it's on the net") just to try to allow yourself to be salty and flamey.
And how is this attitude going to improve the community? All it will do is destroy it.

[Yukitaka Oni]

You're as good as your spelling for the record. You're always saying "X is 99% mafia lets get this over with" and, before this game, it always so happened that X was the 1% who wasn't mafia. Before this game, you never were able to correctly read a mafia. You never got nightkilled (except in Politico, but that was because you were mayor, not because you were 1/4 decent). In 10-15 games. Skill.

[mod]Friendly reminder to everyone to stay civil after the end of a game. - MattZed[/mod]

[mod]Friendly reminder to everyone to stay civil after the end of a game ^(o.o(v - Yuki[/mod]

[Frog]

Lol - didn't even read this game. Was busy traveling and trying to beat Boggs' in flight drinking record

(I got to 30 drinks over 8 hours then passed out if anyone is curious )

GG I think? :P

[SuperJack]

Lol - didn't even read this game. Was busy traveling and trying to beat Boggs' in flight drinking record

(I got to 30 drinks over 8 hours then passed out if anyone is curious )

GG I think? :P

Lol this was your worst game ever.

[BananaCucho]

GG team we did it

[Frog]

Lol this was your worst game ever.

Sure, but it was arguably my best attempt at drinking at altitude.

I've had more on land, but not in the air.

#feeling accomplished

Lol

[Frog]

I honestly couldn't tell you what happened in this game. Lol. :-D

[MattZed]

Game has been added to the ladder!