S-FM 204: Insanity

[ThePaladin]

Arent there only 2 guaranteed sinisters?
I was doing numbers without assuming any rand are all sininister killings or something

Why are we even talking abiut this strategy if we arent doing it? Just seems like you want to look helpful on something we already decided on

[Iced_Monopoly]

9 hours remain, and its midnight for me. I am okay with a no-lynch today just as much as a lynch. With GF claiming I would prefer to see what transpires rsther than lynching him, so I will be unvoting. I have to be up early, and drop kids at school so I probably wont be on the thread till 15 minutes before day end, essentially leaving me the position of hammer if any train picks up...

-unvote

[Kovath]

I've always thought that policy lynches are beneficial to scum.

Then start trying and playing better on Day 1s and beyond, because if you don't I'll be pushing your PL every single game.

"policy lynches are beneficial to scum": You know what? This is pushing the exact kind of mindset that makes scum play the way you are now, so that the only option to take them out (policy lynch) is discredited (or forcing a shot or something). Policy lynches are not the fault of the rest of town; they are the product of town players who deliberately play badly and further the scum agenda.
You are aware (or have been told) about this, yet you continue to pursue this trolly meta for yourself, one which discredits you as town and forces other players to draw attention to you like this in order to not let a potential scum slip under the radar, rather than actually play in a pro-town fashion. This meta pretty much only benefits you as a scum.

Do you have any kind of explanation beyond "lazy / have fun trolling Mafia games and other players / screw you Kovath" ?

On a different note, you say that being a potential Lunatic makes you not trust your gut reads. I've already explained why Lunatic is a bad argument to not participate or offer reads today. Do you have more details to offer about Taekyon, or anything about any other player, to expand past "gut read"?

[Kovath]

Why is GF the most voted wagon? He claimed Escort, so we just have to wait him to rb someone and then that person confirms and we know it's legit.

RLVG, TDL, and Taekyon haven't checked back in for a day or two and they left those votes there a long time ago.

[TheDarkestLight]

I'm back to my original thought processes.

-unvote

I advocate for a no-lynch today. Tomorrow people should be more keyed into what possible alignment they could be, thus allowing potential reads to be better. From my perspective, reads gathered today that are based on alignment tells are still unreliable.

[Gyrlander]

Then start trying and playing better on Day 1s and beyond, because if you don't I'll be pushing your PL every single game.

"policy lynches are beneficial to scum": You know what? This is pushing the exact kind of mindset that makes scum play the way you are now, so that the only option to take them out (policy lynch) is discredited (or forcing a shot or something). Policy lynches are not the fault of the rest of town; they are the product of town players who deliberately play badly and further the scum agenda.
You are aware (or have been told) about this, yet you continue to pursue this trolly meta for yourself, one which discredits you as town and forces other players to draw attention to you like this in order to not let a potential scum slip under the radar, rather than actually play in a pro-town fashion. This meta pretty much only benefits you as a scum.

Do you have any kind of explanation beyond "lazy / have fun trolling Mafia games and other players / screw you Kovath" ?

On a different note, you say that being a potential Lunatic makes you not trust your gut reads. I've already explained why Lunatic is a bad argument to not participate or offer reads today. Do you have more details to offer about Taekyon, or anything about any other player, to expand past "gut read"?

My reads are basically gut, so you're probably not going to get more from me.

[Kovath]

I'm back to my original thought processes.

-unvote

I advocate for a no-lynch today. Tomorrow people should be more keyed into what possible alignment they could be, thus allowing potential reads to be better. From my perspective, reads gathered today that are based on alignment tells are still unreliable.

Would you support a PL + some scum motivation?

[TheDarkestLight]

Would you support a PL + some scum motivation?

I've never liked policy lynches. "Oh but these people appear scum and can't be discerned from other scum."

That's what fucking night actions are for. People go out of their fucking way to lynch people that lurk or are scummy throughout numerous games and act like their reads are the only things that matter. They're all complete fucking morons. The tools are there and are perfect for individuals like that.

More often than not you're just lynching town anyways. And sure sometimes they're scum, but that's what said night actions are there to determine.

And scum motivation is too questionable at this stage in the game because people who think they're scum might be town and vice versa. Alignment tells aren't doing it for me today.

[yzb25]

The anti-lynch wave is gaining popularity: "My scumreads might be town with scum rolecards! I don't want to lynch while they don't know their roles!", "My alignment might be wrong! I don't want to play town until I'm sure I'm town!"

For the love of god, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!?!

Sheriffs or investigators? This save has executioners, jester kings, lunatic invests and lunatic sheriffs, sheriffs with reversed reads, and investigators with 1/4 success. There are so many things that could mess them up they're nearly completely unreliable. They are a bonus. You cannot depend on them.
Role confirmers? What kind of dream are you living where they actually last long enough to confirm your role? They're being hunted. They are top priority for scum, and spastic Spruance has already revealed himself if he's honest. The reality is most lunatics will never find out what their true role. It's just the reality.

Seriously. When are you going to lynch? When will be the time to lynch? D2 will only give slightly more intel. D3 will only give slightly more intel. Fuck the spoonfeeding. We need to take the intel.

The lynch is not just the method for killing scum. The lynch is progress. It gives us information, encourages reflection, and gives the town a direction.

We are a town of numbers. We likely out-number the scum by 4 to 1 or 5 to 1, at worst. This is far, far higher than the usual 1.5 to 1 in, say, a 9-3-3. Do you get it yet? Towns are supposed to die en masse. This is not a normal mafia game.

And a town that martyrs himself in a lynch is a thousand times more beneficial than a town that gets converted or night killed. A town that dies for a single message to live for the rest of the game is a thousand times more beneficial than a town that gives forgettable "contributions" for 6 days and dies uneventfully.

I would rather you lynched me before you lynched noone. I have chosen to believe I am the town alignment, until informed otherwise. And I will happily be sacrificed if it wakes these miracle-hopers, huddling together in a corner, the fuck up. I want to win, no matter the cost. Don't you?

I'm resuming the lynch on Paladin in a few hours, love me or hate me. Just do something for fucks sake.

[Taekyon]

Hey, sorry I missed a whole day. sc2mafia was down at the worst possible moment for me.
I'll remove my vote on GameFreak since pressure vote isn't needed anymore.

-unvote

I'm not comfortable voting Paladin though mainly because Eggy and Spruance are already voting him.
My gut-feeling tell me to not trust them (For lurking and random voting one of the most active player)
I agree with Paladin's idea of a no lynch today until we gather more information but I also agree with yzb25 that not doing anything for multiple day is bad.
Now are we willing to maybe sacrifice a town to gather information?
Since no role are confirmed, we still have a chance to hit a Sinister with a lynch, even after a Insane claim.
Although the chances are still low...
Not lynching would help each player confirm his own role during the night though. (If they don't get killed by Sinister)
Ending this post with a question for everybody: Who is willing to gamble with a lynch today?

[yzb25]

Hey, sorry I missed a whole day. sc2mafia was down at the worst possible moment for me.
I'll remove my vote on GameFreak since pressure vote isn't needed anymore.

-unvote

I'm not comfortable voting Paladin though mainly because Eggy and Spruance are already voting him.
My gut-feeling tell me to not trust them (For lurking and random voting one of the most active player)
I agree with Paladin's idea of a no lynch today until we gather more information but I also agree with yzb25 that not doing anything for multiple day is bad.
Now are we willing to maybe sacrifice a town to gather information?
Since no role are confirmed, we still have a chance to hit a Sinister with a lynch, even after a Insane claim.
Although the chances are still low...
Not lynching would help each player confirm his own role during the night though. (If they don't get killed by Sinister)
Ending this post with a question for everybody: Who is willing to gamble with a lynch today?

You missed my point slightly. A town lynch is still better than a no lynch. The town has been given numbers, and I'd rather we used them than let the scum use them.

In a typical game, a single night of sheriffs and investigators checking can give us more intel than a town lynch. But that is not the case in Insanity. In Insanity, the intel received from a town lynch gives us more than the sheriffs and investigators and such combined.

God (deathworlds) would not have given us a 72 hour day if he meant for us to go through an existential meltdown and do nothing lol.

[Kovath]

Hey, sorry I missed a whole day. sc2mafia was down at the worst possible moment for me.
I'll remove my vote on GameFreak since pressure vote isn't needed anymore.

-unvote

I'm not comfortable voting Paladin though mainly because Eggy and Spruance are already voting him.
My gut-feeling tell me to not trust them (For lurking and random voting one of the most active player)
I agree with Paladin's idea of a no lynch today until we gather more information but I also agree with yzb25 that not doing anything for multiple day is bad.
Now are we willing to maybe sacrifice a town to gather information?
Since no role are confirmed, we still have a chance to hit a Sinister with a lynch, even after a Insane claim.
Although the chances are still low...
Not lynching would help each player confirm his own role during the night though. (If they don't get killed by Sinister)
Ending this post with a question for everybody: Who is willing to gamble with a lynch today?

Why do Eggy and Spruance have anything to do with Paladin's own scumminess / towniness and role / alignment? There are no scum teams / teammates (esp. on Day 1). The only reason this would have any impact on your read on Paladin would be if you think Eggy and Spruance are Sinister and that there are only two Sinisters.

What does a lynch / no lynch have to do with people's night actions and ability to confirm themselves?

[Taekyon]

What does a lynch / no lynch have to do with people's night actions and ability to confirm themselves?

If no lynch, anybody gets a chance to at least try to discover his real role.

[yzb25]

If no lynch, anybody gets a chance to at least try to discover his real role.

Ah, but we can lynch AND give desperate people that minuscule chance of figuring out their role for sure. :P

This is still not enough to give up an opportunity on using our greatest weapon.

There is only one concrete certainty in a save like this - the vote. Make use of it.

[yzb25]

Ah, but we can lynch AND give desperate people that minuscule chance of figuring out their role for sure. :P

This is still not enough to give up an opportunity on using our greatest weapon.

There is only one concrete certainty in a save like this - the vote. Make use of it.

My nefarious choice of language is making me feel like some kind of megalomaniac! I'm enjoying this now.

Taekyon! Do not shy away from your own power! Grasp it in your hands! Feel it!

Sorry. Really inappropriate for current mood. I'm sorry.

[Taekyon]

Grasp it in your hands! Feel it!.

So wrong lol.

[yzb25]

So wrong lol.

Instinct is a very useful thing for ideas and lateral thinking. But self awareness is important too.

You feel like the Paladin lynch is dodgy because it has dodgy people, because you're used to teamscum hijacking trains. But in a setup like this, as Kovath explained, that's a null point.

You don't want to go with a lynch with a higher chance of townflip than usual, because you're used to fuck ups with the lynch having detrimental consequences. But in a setup like this, that's a null point.

You feel night actions are more reliable than reads, especially in a setup where rolecards aren't accurate, but the setup itself is counter-intuitively designed to make sure this isn't the case. That is why the game is slanted towards excessive communication and reads by having a 72 hour d1.

Instincts are great, but rational thought must have the final say.

[yzb25]

Arent there only 2 guaranteed sinisters?
I was doing numbers without assuming any rand are all sininister killings or something

Why are we even talking abiut this strategy if we arent doing it? Just seems like you want to look helpful on something we already decided on

It's not about looking helpful :P. It's about making sure people are aware how the only alignment that is certain to benefit from your strategy is the cult.

For the 0.1% who still are not aware, Paladin pushed for a strategy where town did no lynch and no night action for 5 days (excluding asylum staff) so that all the lunatics could know who they are. It was really the only serious thing he did on d1 other than defend himself at all costs.

Though, when faced with the terrifying possbility of yourself being lynched, you'll happily have Gamefreak lynched on d1 (despite a confirmable escort claim) instead of a no-lynch, because at least you survive that way =P.

As you said Gamefreak was scum before, so he COULD be scum now!... wait what?

Anyway, at least have the grit to stick by the bullshit you're churning out to the end, rather than flip-flopping when it benefits you.

[RLVG]

Guy A suggests to improve the nearby road and fix the sewage.
Guy B asks how.
Guy A mentions using dynamite to clear it up.
Guy B agrees.
KABOOM
RLVG loses his internet for a while.

Fuck.

I'm back, derp.

-unvote

[RLVG]

RLVG's Sexy Votecount + Links to vote posts!

Gyrlander (2 [L-5]):
Kovath, ThePaladin

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ThePaladin (4 [L-3]):
Unknown1234, Eggy, yzb25, Spruance

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Taekyon (2 [L-5]):
Gyrlander, GameFreak

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GameFreak (1 [L-5]):
secondpassing

[RLVG]

I think we should No Lynch to be honest.
We actually have shitty cases on lynching anyone, even in policy.

[Kovath]

I think we should No Lynch to be honest.
We actually have shitty cases on lynching anyone, even in policy.

Do you have an independent case for why a no-lynch is superior to a lynch in this game, or is it just the reasoning that you don't want to lynch anyone?

[Spruance]

I think we should at least force Paladin to claim. He has been acting scummy.

[Gyrlander]

New strat: Everyone claim. RIGHT NOW.

[yzb25]

New strat: Everyone claim. RIGHT NOW.

I'm curious. Will you vote on Paladin? Or policy lynch Gyrlander?

Ohwait u are Gyrlander lol scrub.

[yzb25]

New strat: Everyone claim. RIGHT NOW.

I'm mason leader

[Spruance]

I'm mason leader

Or at least you think you are o.O

[yzb25]

Or at least you think you are o.O

I don't think ML can be lunatic'd, but I never got around to asking. Regardless, I get a gut feeling I'm not a lunatic.

This is part of the reason I've been so concerned about cult, too.

Spoiler : spoiler :

jk, obviously fucking scrub

[Spruance]

I don't think ML can be lunatic'd, but I never got around to asking. Regardless, I get a gut feeling I'm not a lunatic.

This is part of the reason I've been so concerned about cult, too.

Spoiler : spoiler :

jk, obviously fucking scrub

wut a spoiler

[yzb25]

I'm curious. Will you vote on Paladin? Or policy lynch Gyrlander?

Ohwait u are Gyrlander lol scrub.

Anyway, if Kovath is willing to take part, we need one more person.

(Ice monopoly is willing to hammer)

I want to see this lynch happen. This guy has done some fucking SCUMMY shit.

[secondpassing]

I don't know if I'm a lunatic. I have no way of knowing and will not waste time wondering about it on d1. I know it's unlikely I am not the alignment it says I am, and that is enough to convince me that just taking this as my alignment is the best course of action.

Again, I'm not explaining everything enough, which makes it appear out-of-the-blue/contrived. Apologies.

"Too unfucksgiven to constructive posting.

Paladin is Town, yo.

-vote gamefreak" -RLVG

This was the post RLVG made in defense of Paladin. RLVG had responded with no reasons for believing Paladin is town, and revoting a player he had already voted, and trying to annoy Unknown even though Unknown had presented reasons why he was voting Paladin. That's not a town-like way of defending someone.

Now, back to Paladin's attempt to restart the game:

I'd get if you wanted to keep going just to win. I know that feeling. But I also wouldn't pretend to be oblivious to the buddying undertones, that I had addressed and RLVG himself had hinted at (and took part in, with the defense of Paladin above). (Note, Paladin had been reading.) Furthermore, the checkers game had been ded for 10 pages. Paladin was literally like "come on RLVG reply pls" because RLVG himself had stopped replying lol. If he had just continued the game post-game or after they both died or addressed the buddying concerns this wouldn't be nearly as severe as it is.

And the CL thing is not that risky. And the fact you find this so implausible is reinforcing why it's not that risky - it's just not something you imagine people to catch on to.

After you've town-read someone, I don't expect you to immediately see my side of the fence. But there's a line to be drawn between skepticism and denial. Saying "I feel like you've made some errors, let's talk" is good and healthy. Saying "I'll concede this point but I still don't see it as scum motivated" is the point when I wonder about confirmation bias. You seem to be a little too trusting in a game about doubt and manipulation. ;)

Still waiting on other people to answer this lunatic question so I can data mine feelings. Since it is near end of day, I doubt people will give me enough answers. I'll still pose this question though.
Do you think you are a lunatic?

I am too trusting of a player. In a couple recent games, I tried to combat this by acting more aggressive/arrogant/whatever-it-was-called. While I did help a player after my death, I feel like it could have gone better.

But still, even though I may be influenced by confirmation bias, my read of Paladin also influences the way I see you approach this scum read of him. Hence, I while I do not see you "contriving" this notion out of thin air, I feel that I have come to the same conclusion that RLVG did.

But thanks for your points, I'll keep this in mind as the game goes forward.

[yzb25]

Still waiting on other people to answer this lunatic question so I can data mine feelings. Since it is near end of day, I doubt people will give me enough answers. I'll still pose this question though.
Do you think you are a lunatic?

I am too trusting of a player. In a couple recent games, I tried to combat this by acting more aggressive/arrogant/whatever-it-was-called. While I did help a player after my death, I feel like it could have gone better.

But still, even though I may be influenced by confirmation bias, my read of Paladin also influences the way I see you approach this scum read of him. Hence, I while I do not see you "contriving" this notion out of thin air, I feel that I have come to the same conclusion that RLVG did.

But thanks for your points, I'll keep this in mind as the game goes forward.

Yeah, I enjoyed the convo too. I find this strangely consoling despite the fact I couldn't truly make you see what I saw in the end.

Even if town loses a lynch, at least we squeezed a couple more conversations out of the day, heheh

[secondpassing]

Hey, sorry I missed a whole day. sc2mafia was down at the worst possible moment for me.
I'll remove my vote on GameFreak since pressure vote isn't needed anymore.

-unvote

I'm not comfortable voting Paladin though mainly because Eggy and Spruance are already voting him.
My gut-feeling tell me to not trust them (For lurking and random voting one of the most active player)
I agree with Paladin's idea of a no lynch today until we gather more information but I also agree with yzb25 that not doing anything for multiple day is bad.
Now are we willing to maybe sacrifice a town to gather information?
Since no role are confirmed, we still have a chance to hit a Sinister with a lynch, even after a Insane claim.
Although the chances are still low...
Not lynching would help each player confirm his own role during the night though. (If they don't get killed by Sinister)
Ending this post with a question for everybody: Who is willing to gamble with a lynch today?

Taekyon was on when I was last night yet only replied today when other people were on at the same time. That means he only wishes to appear town in front of others and
A: shirking his duty to move town forward
B: hiding what he really is

If you look at the time stamps, I think it is not a coincidence that he has replied during the times when other people were on, yet did not reply after I left. (I replied ~14 hours ago, he replied ~2 hours ago -> near times when other people had posted, roughly 10 minutes in between.)

While I initially did read him as town, I feel he has tried to deceive me, leaving after he felt he has gotten his town credibility (to avoid slipping). I see no real mention of his frustration of not being able to read players. I expected his towniness trend to continue but it did not. Instead he has attacked players opinions and standings post 362 and has advocated a docile town here.
He's also lurked the second 24hrs of this 4xday-day1.

Has he not read the thread? Maybe. Has he definitely not commented on more important things? Yes.

Oddly, everyone has jumped off the GameFreak train (do you all think that his roleclaim is good enough?) -> I actually understand why, again, I just don't agree.
But I wish for a Taekyon lynch today above all else now.

-vote Taekyon

[secondpassing]

I am unwilling to vote ThePaladin. I will hammer any lurker other than Iced_Monopoly, which I am still considering.

[yzb25]

Taekyon was on when I was last night yet only replied today when other people were on at the same time. That means he only wishes to appear town in front of others and
A: shirking his duty to move town forward
B: hiding what he really is

If you look at the time stamps, I think it is not a coincidence that he has replied during the times when other people were on, yet did not reply after I left. (I replied ~14 hours ago, he replied ~2 hours ago -> near times when other people had posted, roughly 10 minutes in between.)

While I initially did read him as town, I feel he has tried to deceive me, leaving after he felt he has gotten his town credibility (to avoid slipping). I see no real mention of his frustration of not being able to read players. I expected his towniness trend to continue but it did not. Instead he has attacked players opinions and standings post 362 and has advocated a docile town here.
He's also lurked the second 24hrs of this 4xday-day1.

Has he not read the thread? Maybe. Has he definitely not commented on more important things? Yes.

Oddly, everyone has jumped off the GameFreak train (do you all think that his roleclaim is good enough?) -> I actually understand why, again, I just don't agree.
But I wish for a Taekyon lynch today above all else now.

-vote Taekyon

I'd like a response from Taekyon before I took the time thing seriously, and I still obviously prefer a Paladin lynch.

But I'd rather anyone was lynched than a no lynch (except maybe Kovath).

If this shows sufficient support I'm open to join, but right now it looks too small and I don't want to give up on a Paladin lynch. I think Gyrlander is suspicious of Paladin and there's a chance he hops on the Paladin train.

If me, Paladin, Kovath and Gyrlander voted this train it could get through though

[yzb25]

I am unwilling to vote ThePaladin. I will hammer any lurker other than Iced_Monopoly, which I am still considering.

I'm still not 100% sure why you townread him so much, despite all the scummy things he's done.

Is it a... feeling? :3

[Kovath]

We still have an hour and a half left, not going to move my vote to Paladin atm.

SP: Why don't parts of your Taekyon analysis apply as well (at least to some extent) to certain other lurker slots? You do a little work in your post but I'd like to see it fully fleshed out as to why Taekyon is distinctive.

[yzb25]

We still have an hour and a half left, not going to move my vote to Paladin atm.

SP: Why don't parts of your Taekyon analysis apply as well (at least to some extent) to certain other lurker slots? You do a little work in your post but I'd like to see it fully fleshed out as to why Taekyon is distinctive.

It's odd how few people are coming on for the conclusion. Generally the forum begins to flood by now.

[Kovath]

It's odd how few people are coming on for the conclusion. Generally the forum begins to flood by now.

The site seems slow all around. I think we're in the more sluggish middle part (the meat, if you will) of summer. Plus it's Sunday.

[yzb25]

The site seems slow all around. I think we're in the more sluggish middle part (the meat, if you will) of summer. Plus it's Sunday.

But it's also the summer holiday!

And everyone knows that all people on sc2mafia are highschoolers, too busy lamenting their exams to go out and party or... work...!

[secondpassing]

I'm still not 100% sure why you townread him so much, despite all the scummy things he's done.

Is it a... feeling? :3

Part of it is not actually because I townread him but yes, I townread him.

Town reading stuff:
Actively engages all players, or the ones I can remember playing this game.
Gives responses to questions that concern him. (He ignores questions that he does not feel to be important; however, it is not done intentionally or in a manipulative way. As far as I can see.)
He made a plan. Plans are made by towns (or really really good scum. Paladin is not that great as scum.)

Not the town read stuff:
Pro-active: While this is not exactly a town read on him due to meta (he is very active in general) this is pro-town. Towns that sit by and idle are towns that are going to die without having lynched a single scum.
No-slip: Hasn't slipped yet and nor has he killed our movement. (His plan seems to me a way of helping us lynch the scum. It is faulty though.)

[secondpassing]

I also watch this [ThePaladin] player and haven't seen anything bad out of him. I feel I would know.

[yzb25]

I also watch this [ThePaladin] player and haven't seen anything bad out of him. I feel I would know.

You don't even bear any bad blood about the no-lynch into suddenly being willing to kill GF/Gyrlander to save his skin?

Though you didn't consider escort confirmation sufficient, Paladin seemed to. And Paladin didn't even have a problem with GF up to that point - defending him slightly during pressure lynch.

That just looked like a huge flip flop to me. I really struggle to see that from a town perspective.

Like, I get if you don't agree with my on the nuance of checkers 'n' all that, but some of his responses to questioning were really off.

[secondpassing]

We still have an hour and a half left, not going to move my vote to Paladin atm.

SP: Why don't parts of your Taekyon analysis apply as well (at least to some extent) to certain other lurker slots? You do a little work in your post but I'd like to see it fully fleshed out as to why Taekyon is distinctive.

I was thinking about amending my post, but then I ate a really good crepe. Mm yum.

Gyrlander does not try to appear town. If I was to lynch Gyrlander, it would be pure policy.
TDL's meta I think is a piece of crap. But this is just a difference in opinion.
No real opinion on RLVG. Well I do, but I'm giving him a free pass.

Eggy is not playing. Or I missed some posts. Probably rolled a scum card and doesn't know what to do with it. Would lynch.
Spruance role claimed. Would lynch. Not a priority.
GameFreak probably rolled a scum card since he hasn't participated. I feel that GameFreak would make the time to post if he had a town card. Part of this is meta and my experience with him. I respect this guy, but there is some parts I respect less (as with all of you.) His role claim does not clear him. Would lynch. Less than Taekyon though.
Think I covered everyone.

[yzb25]

I was thinking about amending my post, but then I ate a really good crepe. Mm yum.

Gyrlander does not try to appear town. If I was to lynch Gyrlander, it would be pure policy.
TDL's meta I think is a piece of crap. But this is just a difference in opinion.
No real opinion on RLVG. Well I do, but I'm giving him a free pass.

Eggy is not playing. Or I missed some posts. Probably rolled a scum card and doesn't know what to do with it. Would lynch.
Spruance role claimed. Would lynch. Not a priority.
GameFreak probably rolled a scum card since he hasn't participated. I feel that GameFreak would make the time to post if he had a town card. Part of this is meta and my experience with him. I respect this guy, but there is some parts I respect less (as with all of you.) His role claim does not clear him. Would lynch. Less than Taekyon though.
Think I covered everyone.

Yeah but the escort thing is confirmable - that's the point. If it was sheriff or something I could see your point but...

[secondpassing]

Yeah but the escort thing is confirmable - that's the point. If it was sheriff or something I could see your point but...

If it is not confirmed, there is a way out.

[secondpassing]

If it is not confirmed, there is a way out.

Ugh, I regret my decision to post this.
Oh well, it will have positive and negative consequences.

[secondpassing]

You don't even bear any bad blood about the no-lynch into suddenly being willing to kill GF/Gyrlander to save his skin?

Though you didn't consider escort confirmation sufficient, Paladin seemed to. And Paladin didn't even have a problem with GF up to that point - defending him slightly during pressure lynch.

That just looked like a huge flip flop to me. I really struggle to see that from a town perspective.

Like, I get if you don't agree with my on the nuance of checkers 'n' all that, but some of his responses to questioning were really off.

Oh dear I have overlooked this.

I'm going to have to reread the escort/Paladin/GF thing.

Consider me slightly blind to his follies.

[yzb25]

Hey Mattzed! Feel free to post, but then immediately punish yourself!

That'd be pretty funny.

[secondpassing]

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