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[M-FM Soldier 76]

-unvote

whoops

[M-FM Pharah]

am here

was wrong on hanzo, hes townish. tbh didnt really pay attentjin back then

i skimmed thriugh most long posts but generally cant find any scum reads yet, lots of strong town reads tho for POE
@Win ston care to ezplain your case on me? dificukt to turn back pages on phone

-vote M-FM Hanzo

explain

[M-FM Tracer]

am here

was wrong on hanzo, hes townish. tbh didnt really pay attentjin back then

i skimmed thriugh most long posts but generally cant find any scum reads yet, lots of strong town reads tho for POE
@Winston care to ezplain your case on me? dificukt to turn back pages on phone

what do you mean you didnt pay much attention 'back then?'

you are claiming to have no scum reads w/ 500 posts? like did nobody have a posts which stood out to you?

list 'strong town' reads pls

did you see my commetsn on you as well? somewhere in the early 400s it is

[M-FM Soldier 76]

highlisting this player:
M-FM Mercy
24 Hour

this player has checked in, complained about post count.

the player then complains that they are not able to read certain posts.
which is a way of restricting ther view and opinion if needbe.

at the end the then claim that Zarya is not lookin town.
gives no explnation then leaves the game.

overall a sligh scum lead (refusual to read. not vote with reason. 0 scum hunting 0 contribution)
has avoided any discussion with anyone.

Spoiler : all posts. :

given we have more content now to choose from this is shit

you literally picked on a player with 2 introduxtory posts

being acrively lurking/donr care about the game is Nai

[M-FM Pharah]

oh...

[M-FM Lucio]

just saw this lol

tbh i think that in some cases a lurker lynch works but i cant really explain why cos it would tip off the scum nd ruin the point of lynching one. so i will just hint at it here for now in case the apprpriate situation comes up

well why cant they be scummy lurkers? ;) i am not saying we just rng which lurker dies just cos they lurk. just that there shoul be disussion on which lurkers are the most likely to flip red. not uncommon for scum to coast on this site after all

I understand this perspective, but either way if there is a strong scumread that person should be lynched. I do agree that some lurkers are scummier than others and that lurkers lynches can still be effective, in the possibility of some associations still being able to be drawn and in coaxing any other lurking scum into the spotlight where they can get better pinned down.

I'm pretty curious, though, why you are deciding to hone in and push on this logic point about town strategy when we still have another 48 hours left to get more info and find strong trains. Why are you so eager to get this out there early and deliberately feel out other players' thoughts on it?

As for Genji, his entire thought process felt very sincere with the "I'm accusing you of faking scum-hunting." People can disagree about points like whether slots should reveal their scum-hunting paradigm; however, it's far harder to fake the preceding logic train and deductions; it's easier to read genuineness there and whether they stick to the perceptions they're putting forth. I also feel like a scum is more tentative in jumping from "you're not telling me clearly how you're scumhunting" to "I think you're faking it" (here, a bit of a nod to the points earlier in the thread about how scum tend to be more neutral in their points). I dunno, in general it just felt towny to me over the range of content.

[M-FM Pharah]

given we have more content now to choose from this is shit

you literally picked on a player with 2 introduxtory posts

being acrively lurking/donr care about the game is Nai

why dont you read before you make a fool of yourself:

i already stated why i've posted them (working from lowest post to most)
the topic recently has been about lynching a lurker.

i expect an apology

[M-FM Hanzo]

-vote M-FM Hanzo

Your already voting me.

[M-FM Hanzo]

Your already voting me.

Sorry lagged post.

[M-FM Pharah]

@M-FM Lucio

i guess you target lurking / anti-town play early, it attempts to remove that sort of play from the game.

[M-FM Soldier 76]

what do you mean you didnt pay much attention 'back then?'

you are claiming to have no scum reads w/ 500 posts? like did nobody have a posts which stood out to you?

list 'strong town' reads pls

did you see my commetsn on you as well? somewhere in the early 400s it is

i mean i dont pay much attention back then, literally

no, i would say so if otherwise

mei genji rreaper = very very strong town

hanzo lucio zarya = very strong town

torb jon mccree = town

rest are null or i forgot to list them

[M-FM Zenyatta]

Is the reason you're voting me because my train disappeared? Otherwise I'd like to see more. Do you find it interesting Solider being the only one still voting me?

I'm pretty sure Soldier is away right now and can't do shit.

[M-FM Hanzo]

i mean i dont pay much attention back then, literally

no, i would say so if otherwise

mei genji rreaper = very very strong town

hanzo lucio zarya = very strong town

torb jon mccree = town

rest are null or i forgot to list them

Your "town" list seems kinda wrong. Care to explain?

[M-FM Hanzo]

I'm pretty sure Soldier is away right now and can't do shit.

[M-FM Pharah]

i mean i dont pay much attention back then, literally

no, i would say so if otherwise

mei genji rreaper = very very strong town

hanzo lucio zarya = very strong town

torb jon mccree = town

rest are null or i forgot to list them

apparently you fail to see anyone being even slighly scummy.
but you are doing a great job at finding town players...

isn't that a bit. scumlike?

[M-FM Lucio]

@M-FM Lucio

i guess you target lurking / anti-town play early, it attempts to remove that sort of play from the game.

Is this an answer to my question for Tracer or what specifically?

This is one reason I'm voting Torbjorn, however I think I've seen scummier stuff from Torb so far and I also think he's more ilkely to actually be around, that's why I prefer him for pressure atm.

[M-FM Pharah]

apparently you fail to see anyone being even slighly scummy.
but you are doing a great job at finding town players...

isn't that a bit. scumlike?

it also looks very forced. 3 per group?
no mention of me? certainly you cant claim i am null.

[M-FM Soldier 76]

why dont you read before you make a fool of yourself:

i already stated why i've posted them (working from lowest post to most)
the topic recently has been about lynching a lurker.

i expect an apology

oh missed it

although, why would you do such a thing to put a vote ans change them in likethe next post? (working from least to most)

[M-FM Zenyatta]

Oh wait he's back ROFL

[M-FM Tracer]

I understand this perspective, but either way if there is a strong scumread that person should be lynched. I do agree that some lurkers are scummier than others and that lurkers lynches can still be effective, in the possibility of some associations still being able to be drawn and in coaxing any other lurking scum into the spotlight where they can get better pinned down.

I'm pretty curious, though, why you are deciding to hone in and push on this logic point about town strategy when we still have another 48 hours left to get more info and find strong trains. Why are you so eager to get this out there early and deliberately feel out other players' thoughts on it?

As for Genji, his entire thought process felt very sincere with the "I'm accusing you of faking scum-hunting." People can disagree about points like whether slots should reveal their scum-hunting paradigm; however, it's far harder to fake the preceding logic train and deductions; it's easier to read genuineness there and whether they stick to the perceptions they're putting forth. I also feel like a scum is more tentative in jumping from "you're not telling me clearly how you're scumhunting" to "I think you're faking it" (here, a bit of a nod to the points earlier in the thread about how scum tend to be more neutral in their points). I dunno, in general it just felt towny to me over the range of content.

im doing it now because that gives me enough time to shoot down any objectios of "but they dont post enough" before we rush into a poorly planned lynch or the like cos i was expecting that a lot of players wpuldnt want to lynch an inactive and risk not having as much info. also the more people talk about specific lurkers the more you learn about them in turn. and scum would either jump on the chance to bus their useless alley to gain town cred or theyd brush over them/ soft defend cos they think they can get away with it. kinda hard to ignore the useless ally if they are in the spotlight right

i also like that you are trying to see things from a scum pov wrt genji

[M-FM Pharah]

oh missed it

although, why would you do such a thing to put a vote ans change them in likethe next post? (working from least to most)

I ALSO EXPLAINED THAT. i swtiched to the one i saw more likely to be scum alighend, and it was the one who was unable to produce their own reads aind instead relied on copying other peopls.

[M-FM Tracer]

i mean i dont pay much attention back then, literally

no, i would say so if otherwise

mei genji rreaper = very very strong town

hanzo lucio zarya = very strong town

torb jon mccree = town

rest are null or i forgot to list them

i am impressed at the utter balls it takes to say "i has no scum reads" like idek wherever thats scum going "idgaf" or town just not having a clue

so what makes you townread mei, genji, hanzo in particularso strongly?

why are you twonreading torb? and what about mccree makes you think hes town?

[M-FM Soldier 76]

-vote M-FM Hanzo

apparently you fail to see anyone being even slighly scummy.
but you are doing a great job at finding town players...

isn't that a bit. scumlike?

yea i know what you are saying, its a struggle ti be able to even just post for this day. i know my play is ratger shitty

[M-FM Soldier 76]

i am impressed at the utter balls it takes to say "i has no scum reads" like idek wherever thats scum going "idgaf" or town just not having a clue

so what makes you townread mei, genji, hanzo in particularso strongly?

why are you twonreading torb? and what about mccree makes you think hes town?

they are self concious about their posts yet natural, their oosts are geared towards finding scum or at the very least productive

scum tends to not see the bigger picture and focus on one player alone to distract attention

[M-FM Tracer]

Oh wait he's back ROFL

brah are you gonna fucking play or just make stupid obvious observations all day?

[M-FM Pharah]

yea i know what you are saying, its a struggle ti be able to even just post for this day. i know my play is ratger shitty

its not shitty play. it looks scumlike and foreced. you obvious seem to have read enough to claim 9 people are town. and that sort of play looks terrible so you are going to be pushed for explinations off anyone with common sence

[M-FM Tracer]

they are self concious about their posts yet natural, their oosts are geared towards finding scum or at the very least productive

scum tends to not see the bigger picture and focus on one player alone to distract attention

your saying that this one trait applies to all your townreads without exception or any other town tells??

how would focusing on one player avoid attention?

[M-FM Lucio]

[QUOTE=M-FM Tracer;613693]im doing it now because that gives me enough time to shoot down any objectios of "but they dont post enough" before we rush into a poorly planned lynch or the like cos i was expecting that a lot of players wpuldnt want to lynch an inactive and risk not having as much info. also the more people talk about specific lurkers the more you learn about them in turn. and scum would either jump on the chance to bus their useless alley to gain town cred or theyd brush over them/ soft defend cos they think they can get away with it. kinda hard to ignore the useless ally if they are in the spotlight right/QUOTE]

This is the answer I was looking for, though a bit more ornate than I expected. Though it still feels a bit weird how you're looking so far ahead to the possibility of lynching a lurker (I'm assuming that you presume an absence of a strong scumread) so early in the day, I can see a strong town perspective here (trying to get rid of lurking scum and push more activity from town) in addition to the scum one of trying to set up a lurker ML later in the day. So, it's not AI enough to swing me from my townread on you atm.

[M-FM Torbjorn]

I'm not playing day 1 answering a whole bunch of responding to bullshit questions. I'll be skimming super long posts, and reading closely people that are trying to be succinct.

Dude Tracer, you're making more questions than statements in your posts and it's ridiculous. If everyone responded to all these questions, this game'd be tedious as fuck.

Is this an answer to my question for Tracer or what specifically?

This is one reason I'm voting Torbjorn, however I think I've seen scummier stuff from Torb so far and I also think he's more ilkely to actually be around, that's why I prefer him for pressure atm.

shit like this is why scum lurk.

what were you expecting that is not happened?

hats your opinion about the "not much stuff" you claim that has happened?

Tracer, if you're going to say I'm ignoring questions, and these are the shit questions i'm getting, i'm going to ignore you completely. I'll answer them this once because I'm cranky right now.:

What the fuck is supposed to have happened that I was expecting? Am I supposed to expect that someone slipped or claimed a role? My opinion that there's very little to go off of, and I hate how the first day is 3 days. This day'd be much better spent talking about mechanics and voting and such, since this is a pretty novel setup.

soz for getting a number wrong
why are you so casual about your scum reads that you can barely remeber who they are?

has your hanzo read changed at all and if so how?

if posting is AI for you then does that mean you townread all the actives?? if not then who could be scum from your pov?

why did you make that reaper/ parah comemnt earlier btw?

A) I'm not taking notes, and the names/pictures sound/look too similar for me to discern.
B) Hanzo uh, idk about him. We'll see tomorrow or something.

C) What kind of answer are you looking for? If I say, YEAH ALL HIGH POSTERS ARE TOWN, that's going to get me scum read and stupid read right? SO an OBVIOUS answer to your question is NO. And I already said who's scummy already. don't like that mcree fellow, and someone else. But we should lynch a no-show or the lowest poster today.

D) Because their interaction wasn't going to help town win at all. probably put us back. but I might have gotten the coms mixed up.

[M-FM Soldier 76]

your saying that this one trait applies to all your townreads without exception or any other town tells??

how would focusing on one player avoid attention?

generally speaking

if i were scum typical scum play would be to choose one player and frame them, avoid having to realize they nees to find all the scums as town

hope you undersrans that

[M-FM Tracer]

This is the answer I was looking for, though a bit more ornate than I expected. Though it still feels a bit weird how you're looking so far ahead to the possibility of lynching a lurker (I'm assuming that you presume an absence of a strong scumread) so early in the day, I can see a strong town perspective here (trying to get rid of lurking scum and push more activity from town) in addition to the scum one of trying to set up a lurker ML later in the day. So, it's not AI enough to swing me from my townread on you atm.

ornate cos id like to convince anyone who catches up later on

admittedly i am more used to 48 hour days and am not great with pateince

im not really scumreading any of the actives atm and honestly i dont thnik that id be able to find any active scum rn without associations, more informed reads, night feedback, poe, etc so dont want to shoot in the dark there today

do you consider torb a lurker? cos i do and you seem to be thinking he is scum. thats basically what i am advocating here

[M-FM Lucio]

shit like this is why scum lurk.

No, shitty town play is why scum lurk.

[M-FM Zarya]

i don't understand how lucio's being townread.

[M-FM Tracer]

generally speaking

if i were scum typical scum play would be to choose one player and frame them, avoid having to realize they nees to find all the scums as town

hope you undersrans that

dw i get you

curious thaty ou use scum hypotheticals about yorself when you are supposed to be town, hm, like anyone could implictly defend themselves wth "but id do this if i were scum" if that makes sense

[M-FM Pharah]

@M-FM Torbjorn

seems ur are upset with d1s

so to please you here are some easy:

1. who would you pressure/lynch and why?
2. what mechanics do you want to discuss
2.5. explain the mechanics and make a discussion about them

[M-FM Torbjorn]

@M-FM Torbjorn

seems ur are upset with d1s

so to please you here are some easy:

1. who would you pressure/lynch and why?
2. what mechanics do you want to discuss
2.5. explain the mechanics and make a discussion about them

reading the setup. brb

[M-FM Hanzo]

i don't understand how lucio's being townread.

It's not a lot, but Lucio often says in his town reads that the players analysis was "Sincere" usually repetition is a sign, but it's fairly minor.

[M-FM Pharah]

reading the setup. brb

wot. you complain about how d1 is used and how mechanics should be used instead.
but you not even read the setup enough?........................................... ...............................

[M-FM Tracer]

I'm not playing day 1 answering a whole bunch of responding to bullshit questions. I'll be skimming super long posts, and reading closely people that are trying to be succinct.

Dude Tracer, you're making more questions than statements in your posts and it's ridiculous. If everyone responded to all these questions, this game'd be tedious as fuck.

shit like this is why scum lurk.

like ik you said your cranky for whatever reason but this kinda feels like townie frustration?

well it would had you not threatened to ignore a player in a reading game. dont do that shit, its scummy af

Tracer, if you're going to say I'm ignoring questions, and these are the shit questions i'm getting, i'm going to ignore you completely. I'll answer them this once because I'm cranky right now.:

What the fuck is supposed to have happened that I was expecting? Am I supposed to expect that someone slipped or claimed a role? My opinion that there's very little to go off of, and I hate how the first day is 3 days. This day'd be much better spent talking about mechanics and voting and such, since this is a pretty novel setup.

so be the change you wish to see wrt mechanics, not like youve talked about them yourself or tried to make it a topic f interest

A) I'm not taking notes, and the names/pictures sound/look too similar for me to discern.
B) Hanzo uh, idk about him. We'll see tomorrow or something.

C) What kind of answer are you looking for? If I say, YEAH ALL HIGH POSTERS ARE TOWN, that's going to get me scum read and stupid read right? SO an OBVIOUS answer to your question is NO. And I already said who's scummy already. don't like that mcree fellow, and someone else. But we should lynch a no-show or the lowest poster today.

D) Because their interaction wasn't going to help town win at all. probably put us back. but I might have gotten the coms mixed up.

a) k
b) ok thanks for the read
c) okay legit question here, why do you factor in what other ppl would think bout you in how you respond? that shows your self conscious and idk why that would be an issue when responding unless you had something to hide??
d) why lynch anti-town > scum?

[M-FM Zarya]

It's not a lot, but Lucio often says in his town reads that the players analysis was "Sincere" usually repetition is a sign, but it's fairly minor.

are you saying that repetition is a reason to townread someone?
bc if so you're going to have to walk me through that 1.

[M-FM Lucio]

It's not a lot, but Lucio often says in his town reads that the players analysis was "Sincere" usually repetition is a sign, but it's fairly minor.

Where does this come from? It only even applies, at best, to my Genji read.

[M-FM Torbjorn]

c) okay legit question here, why do you factor in what other ppl would think bout you in how you respond? that shows your self conscious and idk why that would be an issue when responding unless you had something to hide??
d) why lynch anti-town > scum?

the original question is stupid and your question of "okay legit question here, why do you factor in what other ppl would think bout you in how you respond?" is also stupid.

oh yeahh i want to lynch town over scum yup yup. /s I don't think we're going to find scum today no matter what unless we lynch in the lowest of the posters.

[M-FM Hanzo]

are you saying that repetition is a reason to townread someone?
bc if so you're going to have to walk me through that 1.

I'm not saying that, I was saying it's not a terribly strong scum play however.

[M-FM Tracer]

the original question is stupid and your question of "okay legit question here, why do you factor in what other ppl would think bout you in how you respond?" is also stupid.

oh yeahh i want to lynch town over scum yup yup. /s I don't think we're going to find scum today no matter what unless we lynch in the lowest of the posters.

saying my questions are stupid doesnt hide the fact that you didnt answer them. like you are talking like you give no fucks what i think of you but that comment where you revealed you did ruins that dude. so answer it

this may be your first sensible post of the day gj gj

[M-FM Lucio]

I do agree, though, that I've yet to see any justification for why I've been townread by some players, for example McCree.

Would really like to hear the thought processes from those that are doing so.

[M-FM Torbjorn]

I got a maybe not so terrible idea. How about we decide on a mode we want and see if it goes through tomorrow. If scum vote against it, we can try to pick game modes against that. Its not a fleshed out idea, so, yeah, as is I know it wont work. But try to see where I'm going with this and than we can figure out a way to implement it.

[M-FM Tracer]

bet gyrlander is zenyatta. totally scum right there

[M-FM Torbjorn]

saying my questions are stupid doesnt hide the fact that you didnt answer them. like you are talking like you give no fucks what i think of you but that comment where you revealed you did ruins that dude. so answer it

this may be your first sensible post of the day gj gj

i'm done with this. please vote me if you want answers to this silly question. I'd rather much talk about figuring out a good game mode for the lot of us.

[M-FM Tracer]

wrt modes i am fine for picking the same mode tonight (escort)

no sense in switching what roles everyone has every fucking night, ust casues confusion and allows scum to get away with inconsitent role claims

[M-FM Pharah]

I got a maybe not so terrible idea. How about we decide on a mode we want and see if it goes through tomorrow. If scum vote against it, we can try to pick game modes against that. Its not a fleshed out idea, so, yeah, as is I know it wont work. But try to see where I'm going with this and than we can figure out a way to implement it.

My suggestion is not to pick the mode with the killing roles.

its just common sense.
investigation + protection are always the better option.