M-FM XXVIII Heaven Descends Upon Thee Gamethread

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Or give an example of the feedback you would recieve for amultiple nights.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Also I may have to edit that list. I'm doing algorithm math right now. I will post a multiple-night list of prayers later on probably in a hour or 3.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Ah. Let me help you.
You can see how many players sin(complete a yellow action) each night.
You also recieve a list of 20numbers(each number coresponds to a person) of their prayers or lack thereof. If a player forsakes their night action and prays to you, you will see what they pray by their number at the start of the day. You have 30charges of answering prayers( You can choose whether to or to not answer prayers, I recommned to not answer if we are folowwing this plan)

By assigning prayers to people we can determine who isn't folowwing through through ___-chotomies.
Such as a person is a commonality in 3 groups where a prayer was missing(he was supposed to pray in each of those groups but in every group he was in you only recieved 3 of those prayers, so since he is the only commonality you know he is scum who cannot or is choosing not to pray).

Does this help?
I can explain your role throughly in a spolier-wall post in needed

Also.
When a player dies their role and name shall be revealed next to their number on the list of prayers you recieve at the start of every day(except d1 of course)

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

The point of my plan is to coorelate players to numbers.
For players who do not follow through with their prayers, it would coorelate to a common theme next to a number. Which we can then coorelate the two together and find scum with guaranteed success since only scum would not follow through with the plan either by choice or by the 2 factions of scum that cannot pray. Those two factions of scum will most likely be revealed on d3(we should have 3 guaranteed scum lynches starting d3) if I am doing the math correctly.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

This post is scummy.

Said he refuse to participate anymore because of some specific players.
There are always some specific players in every games post like that, and some are even worse, like FM Batman.

A specific player is fine. Its when 90% of the player base is trolling is different. You aren't the only one trolling sir.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Again with the righteous indognation. Feels over the top, like "look how town I am for getting frustrated with the anti town behavior which is now my excuse to leave"

-vote M-FM Bertha Anderson

You didn't even spell indignation right. But seriously, if you think I am acting frustrated I find that highly amusing. From your actions so far I dub thee Village Idiot. Welcome to the town village idiot, continue your ramblings :P

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Name	D1 Prayer	D2 Prayer(TBD)
M-FM Ernest Mitchell	Forgiveness
M-FM Bertha Anderson	Forgiveness
M-FM Mary Hughes	Forgiveness
M-FM William Reed	Forgiveness
M-FM Lillian Brady	Willpower
M-FM Clara Wilson	Willpower
M-FM Ethel McAllister	Willpower
M-FM Joseph Johnson	Willpower
M-FM Thomas King	Blessing
M-FM Fred Robinson	Blessing
M-FM Margaret Smith	Blessing
M-FM Edward O'Connor	Blessing
M-FM Roy Larkins	Protection
M-FM Harry Smith	Protection
M-FM Florence Palmer	Protection
M-FM Clarence Shephard	Protection
M-FM Gertrude Banks	Strength
M-FM David Graham	Strength
M-FM Thomas Grant	Strength
M-FM Walter Livingston	Strength

Every player should confirm this is their action they are going to take.
/Confirm

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Every player should confirm this is their action they are going to take.
/Confirm

If not they should explain in detail why they think this plan isn't good.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If not they should explain in detail why they think this plan isn't good.

Based on my thinking the first night shjouldn't have a need to be changed mathematically.
I'm currently working on it manually and algorithimically to do have a scenario for every night; I'm still working through it all but when I'm done i'll post it(shouldn't take no more than a few hours to check through everything)

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Vote Count 1-4
M-FM Joseph Johnson (1):M-FM Bertha Anderson
M-FM Gertrude Banks (1):M-FM Ethel McAllister
M-FM Florence Palmer (3):M-FM Fred Robinson, M-FM Harry Smith, M-FM Clarence Shephard
M-FM Bertha Anderson (4):M-FM Gertrude Banks, M-FM Edward O'Connor, M-FM Florence Palmer, M-FM Thomas Grant

I can't say I like either of the two leading wagons. Florence isn't likely scum by his behavior, his play is too risky to be scum. Likely a player trying to eat a night bullet if you ask me.

[Ra]

Hey guys! Main host here.

Inactivity will be frowned upon. If you fail to post at least 5 times during the day, at 2 different times (you may PM this account if you are unable too, we can work something out) you will be replaced out.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Hey guys! Main host here.

Inactivity will be frowned upon. If you fail to post at least 5 times during the day, at 2 different times (you may PM this account if you are unable too, we can work something out) you will be replaced out.

The pessimistic side of me thinks that you wont even be able to follow through with this considering the general inactivity, but the optimistic side says there is a lot of reserve players.

Ehh, we will see.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Vote Count 1-4
M-FM Joseph Johnson (1):M-FM Bertha Anderson
M-FM Gertrude Banks (1):M-FM Ethel McAllister
M-FM Florence Palmer (3):M-FM Fred Robinson, M-FM Harry Smith, M-FM Clarence Shephard
M-FM Bertha Anderson (4):M-FM Gertrude Banks, M-FM Edward O'Connor, M-FM Florence Palmer, M-FM Thomas Grant

I can't say I like either of the two leading wagons. Florence isn't likely scum by his behavior, his play is too risky to be scum. Likely a player trying to eat a night bullet if you ask me.

Heres My problem with florence.
He should have agreed to the plan even if he is faking god as town.
If he is god, he is making seriously bad plays.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Heres My problem with florence.
He should have agreed to the plan even if he is faking god as town.
If he is god, he is making seriously bad plays.

Yes, he is making bad plays, and I don't think we can encourage his behavior. But Anti Town doesn't equal being scum. I think the player is bad town right now, not scum. Lynching town isn't a good idea ever.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I have way too many town reads and not enough scum reads, I may have to rethink some of these bad plays coming from bad town or something.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Yes, he is making bad plays, and I don't think we can encourage his behavior. But Anti Town doesn't equal being scum. I think the player is bad town right now, not scum. Lynching town isn't a good idea ever.

I've already stated that I would perfer no-lynching till d2 or d3 since then we can get guaranteed scum lynches off.

However, by someone not expressing clear agreement to a plan for "not understanding how god works" after I've explained it can be detrimental to town since it may cause others to not follow it based on the his statements of not expressing clear agreement to follow it.

See what I'm getting at?

Also we have plenty of time to get scum-reads its still d1 with low amounts of posting.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If we mislynch d1 and d2 and conversions happen each one of those nights

We are immediatedly down to 9 town to 4sinners to 3atheists and 2antichrist
If mafia also get successful kills we are down to 7:4:3:2(lost majority)

Nolynching is necessary for us to be guaranteed to win, I believe.

If prime sinner chooses to kill and we no-lynch we he'll be put in the pool of (3+1=4) who never prayed. Once prime sinner dies the sinners lose factional kill ability if I read setup right.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If we mislynch d1 and d2 and conversions happen each one of those nights

We are immediatedly down to 9 town to 4sinners to 3atheists and 2antichrist
If mafia also get successful kills we are down to 7:4:3:2(lost majority)

Nolynching is necessary for us to be guaranteed to win, I believe.

If prime sinner chooses to kill and we no-lynch we he'll be put in the pool of (3+1=4) who never prayed. Once prime sinner dies the sinners lose factional kill ability if I read setup right.

Also senior atheist can never pray so he's also in that pool as well as aspotate of satan.
After the prime sinner, senior atheist, and apostate of satan are dead with town folowing this strategy, Town shall be guaranteed to win since if a vigi is possesed we will all know.

[Ra]

M-FM David Graham's soul has been cleansed! (He was replaced out)

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Vote will only be counted at days end and miday, lynching the person if that has 51% of the votes on him.

@Host Will you be posting the votes at miday even if they do not reach 51%?

[Ra]

@Host Will you be posting the votes at miday even if they do not reach 51%?

Main host here!

I don't plan on doing so.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

M-FM David Graham's soul has been cleansed! (He was replaced out)

At least someone asked to replace out. Very kind of them to not bog down the game with inactivity.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Name	N1 Prayer	N2 Prayer	N3 Prayer	N4 Prayer	N5 Prayer
M-FM Ernest Mitchell	Forgiveness	Strength	Protection	Blessing	Willpower
M-FM Bertha Anderson	Forgiveness	Protection	Willpower	Strength	Blessing
M-FM Mary Hughes	Forgiveness	Blessing	Strength	Willpower	Protection
M-FM William Reed	Forgiveness	Willpower	Blessing	Protection	Strength
M-FM Lillian Brady	Willpower	Forgiveness	Strength	Protection	Blessing
M-FM Clara Wilson	Willpower	Strength	Blessing	Forgiveness	Protection
M-FM Ethel McAllister	Willpower	Protection	Forgiveness	Blessing	Strength
M-FM Joseph Johnson	Willpower	Blessing	Protection	Strength	Forgiveness
M-FM Thomas King	Blessing	Willpower	Forgiveness	Strength	Protection
M-FM Fred Robinson	Blessing	Forgiveness	Protection	Willpower	Strength
M-FM Margaret Smith	Blessing	Strength	Willpower	Protection	Forgiveness
M-FM Edward O'Connor	Blessing	Protection	Strength	Forgiveness	Willpower
M-FM Roy Larkins	Protection	Blessing	Willpower	Forgiveness	Strength
M-FM Harry Smith	Protection	Willpower	Strength	Blessing	Forgiveness
M-FM Florence Palmer	Protection	Forgiveness	Blessing	Strength	Willpower
M-FM Clarence Shephard	Protection	Strength	Forgiveness	Willpower	Blessing
M-FM Gertrude Banks	Strength	Protection	Blessing	Willpower	Forgiveness
M-FM David Graham	Strength	Blessing	Forgiveness	Protection	Willpower
M-FM Thomas Grant	Strength	Willpower	Protection	Forgiveness	Blessing
M-FM Walter Livingston	Strength	Forgiveness	Willpower	Blessing	Protection

There you guys Go!
Repeat back at n1 after n6.

Everyone should /confirm their action
such as /confirm Blessing
Please do it in teal so it's easy to see in the thread.


Even if you claim god and can't pray(keep in mind that if you are god, your groups will be missing 1 since you can't pray and the list should have you on there as well if it has 20numbers)

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I am going to clarify, double and triple check that you are praying the right prayer.

Anyone who says they made a mistake will be considered scum. I'm sure some people including myself will tell you if you /confirmed ____
wrongly. I repeat, Anyone who claims they forgot, mis-prayed will be considered scum. Anyone who doesn't pray will be considered scum.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Question on your plan right now, wouldn't this confirm everyones number in the slot by D3?
For instance I will say I prayed for Forgiveness N1, and then I did Protection the next.
No one else should have done it in that order unless they don't follow this plan. This auto confirms everyone in their respective slots for the numbers assigned to god.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Now everyone please if use \confirm if you are just talking about it without actually confirming it in teal. This is to make it easier to search through the thread at the end of the day.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Question on your plan right now, wouldn't this confirm everyones number in the slot by D3?
For instance I will say I prayed for Forgiveness N1, and then I did Protection the next.
No one else should have done it in that order unless they don't follow this plan. This auto confirms everyone in their respective slots for the numbers assigned to god.

Yes actually that's sorta the point.

However some scum may try praying for other scum and this prevents that as well since we would be able to track them not praying right then they flip as scum on god's list then he can find out who they prayed for if this occurs.

Do you think this is a problem or just as a matter of asking for information?

Also lel, atheists and antichrist faction are so dead.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If you notice that list has no 2 people praying in the same group till it recycles starting n6, n11, etc.
This ensures that scum cannot mess with it.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Yes actually that's sorta the point.

However some scum may try praying for other scum and this prevents that as well since we would be able to track them not praying right then they flip as scum on god's list then he can find out who they prayed for if this occurs.

Do you think this is a problem or just as a matter of asking for information?

Also lel, atheists and antichrist faction are so dead.

I don't consider it a problem, I was just wondering why you consider the game broken by Day 6 when essentially we can confirm most players by Day 3 in their respective slots. What significance does day 6 have?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If you notice that list has no 2 people praying in the same group twice till it recycles starting n6, n11, etc.
This ensures that scum cannot mess with it.

fixed

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I don't consider it a problem, I was just wondering why you consider the game broken by Day 6 when essentially we can confirm most players by Day 3 in their respective slots. What significance does day 6 have?

If you are referring to my repeat at n6, then it's necessary to keep doing so we know when someone doesn't pray or prays the wrong thing in their slot.

Did I say d6 earlier when referencing the GG point? I just finished doing the algorithim on paper and on excel, i think i might ofsaid by d5 before.

I hadn't done the algorithm at that point and realized that we could figure out everyone's slots. I originally only though we could figure out scum's slots.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Mr. Anderson please confirm your prayer again in teal since I have now finished the complete list.

I also request in everyone's first few posts that they confirm their prayer or if they express disagreement that they explain a flaw in the plan.
Failure to do either will be considered as scum as well as if your flaw is addressed and shown why it is wrong or not a flaw and you do not then confirm or express another disagrement.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

If you are referring to my repeat at n6, then it's necessary to keep doing so we know when someone doesn't pray or prays the wrong thing in their slot.

Did I say d6 earlier when referencing the GG point? I just finished doing the algorithim on paper and on excel, i think i might ofsaid by d5 before.

I hadn't done the algorithm at that point and realized that we could figure out everyone's slots. I originally only though we could figure out scum's slots.

Umm I might be slightly confused on this. Okay, the way it works is you pray and god will see your prayer and your number, but obviously wont know who you are (this is the anonymity of it). Now, if each player follows plan. God can see numbers and prayers and group them together. Now say a scum wanted to lie about them performing an action, they essentially compromise a group with an extra prayer happening.

That already shows that someone in that group is lying. Next night everyone again performs their assigned prayer except the liar again, they will not be outed at that moment because everyone else in their group is confirmed.

Now that is unless they take credit for their teammates prayer, in which they have to take credit for all their prayers in order to keep that charade up, otherwise they will soon be outed. Of course this brings problem of their teammate appearing as scum for not praying in his group. Essentially they will be lynched eventually.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Mr. Anderson please confirm your prayer again in teal since I have now finished the complete list.

I also request in everyone's first few posts that they confirm their prayer or if they express disagreement that they explain a flaw in the plan.
Failure to do either will be considered as scum as well as if your flaw is addressed and shown why it is wrong or not a flaw and you do not then confirm or express another disagrement.

/Confirm Forgiveness

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I would also like to reiterate that.
In order for this plan to be guaranteed we must not lynch for the first 2 days.
Please do not pass 51% of votes or get within l-4(4 sinners is largest scum faction) until we reach this point.
Also keep in mind that we start with 7 scum.
It is possible that all 7 would hammer from l-7 in order to force lynches even if it fear that the lynchee is part of another scum faction.


Starting d3, we shall begin lynching confirmed scum.
We are currently guaranteed to win folowing this strategy as far as I can tell.
DO NOT LYNCH.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

2/20 players have confirmed

22hours and 10minutes remain to confirm.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

At d2 please start using /2Confirm __
At d3 please start using /3Confirm ___

etc.

[M-FM David Graham]

Hello everyone, I am a replacement. Is there anything I should know as I read up?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Hello everyone, I am a replacement. Is there anything I should know as I read up?

I have a guaranteed win plan in which everyone prays a certain prayer every night. God determines who are the scum that don't pray or pray improperly from this.

There is a very colourful table above. Look for your name and confirm your prayer like I did a few posts below.

[M-FM David Graham]

I have a guaranteed win plan in which everyone prays a certain prayer every night. God determines who are the scum that don't pray or pray improperly from this.

There is a very colourful table above. Look for your name and confirm your prayer like I did a few posts below.

That doesn't work. God can just be killed is one. I'm semi tired from reading the first few pages but the other thing is that its near impossible to coordinate this no?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

That doesn't work. God can just be killed is one. I'm semi tired from reading the first few pages but the other thing is that its near impossible to coordinate this no?

It's not even hard to coordinate. I made a table and everyhting.
God HAS to live for town wincon.
He's also partially-immortal.( if shot he disguises as a random non-sinful christian)

Plan still stands.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

It's not even hard to coordinate. I made a table and everyhting.
God HAS to live for town wincon.
He's also partially-immortal.( if shot he disguises as a random non-sinful christian)

Plan still stands.

The only coordination required is that God can assign numbers to players via actions and that the 12 non-god townies pray.

Thats not much to ask for via coordination. It's literally copy your actions from table pm it to host.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Any town who doesn't follow a guaranteed plan is playing pro-scum.

The plan doesn't ask for much and says blatantly what you should always do.

[M-FM William Reed]

I would also like to reiterate that.
In order for this plan to be guaranteed we must not lynch for the first 2 days.
Please do not pass 51% of votes or get within l-4(4 sinners is largest scum faction) until we reach this point.
Also keep in mind that we start with 7 scum.
It is possible that all 7 would hammer from l-7 in order to force lynches even if it fear that the lynchee is part of another scum faction.


Starting d3, we shall begin lynching confirmed scum.
We are currently guaranteed to win folowing this strategy as far as I can tell.
DO NOT LYNCH.

see thats the part I can't understand. Sinners can pray for forgiveness anyway.how is that not destroying your plan?

[M-FM William Reed]

If you can find a flaw in this plan I Encourage you too.
Otherwise if you are god or town pretending to be god, you should express agreement if you can find no flaw

Since hte plan is guaranteed if one does not express agreement without finding a flaw in the plan. One is playing directly against a guaranteed town win and is therefore pro-scum.
I cannot stress this enough or the importance of following this plan.

your plan won't find sinners. it will just find Atheists and Antichrist and the satan thing. and it will blow the cover of god for a few times.

I guess I need to think about the plan again , sinsce I think the actions we need to take are important as well.

in actions resolutions praying goes last so I think some actions will force players to get sinful and get forced to pray for forgiveness only.(not sure how that works)

if we just abandon doing our actions for 4 day and everyone get sinned we loose.

I need more reasons that your plan will find scum.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

your plan won't find sinners. it will just find Atheists and Antichrist and the satan thing. and it will blow the cover of god for a few times.

I guess I need to think about the plan again , sinsce I think the actions we need to take are important as well.

in actions resolutions praying goes last so I think some actions will force players to get sinful and get forced to pray for forgiveness only.(not sure how that works)

if we just abandon doing our actions for 4 day and everyone get sinned we loose.

I need more reasons that your plan will find scum.

The moment scum do anything besides praying they are revealed.
Town can only get sinned while praying if they are roleblocked.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If scum are all praying then they can't sin and they all have to be sinful at game end for them to win. They have to sin at some point to meet a prequistie of wincon.

God's cover is blown once and we get 3 guaranteed scum. If a scum counterclaims god then either jesus reveals and says and or we get dichotomy and lynch both god ressurects.

Plan Still Stands.

[M-FM William Reed]

can not sinful people pray for forgiveness?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If scum are all praying then they can't sin and they all have to be sinful at game end for them to win. They have to sin at some point to meet a prequistie of wincon.

God's cover is blown once and we get 3 guaranteed scum. If a scum counterclaims god then either jesus reveals and says and or we get dichotomy and lynch both god ressurects.

Plan Still Stands.

There's a reason why in the setup discussion that this idea was brought up with names instead of numbers on the list god recieves. I have merely came up with this plan to re-add the list of names to the numbers which guarantees town win.

If the sinners do anything they are revealed.
Regardless of if sinners for some reason prayed forever, We would still get 2 scum factions dead and the moment the sinners did anythign but praying they get revealed.
It forces sinners to have no night action or be lynched if we follow your reasoning and guarantees that we kill off 2 scum factions regardless.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

can not sinful people pray for forgiveness?

Yes host answered this.