M-FM XXVIII Heaven Descends Upon Thee Gamethread

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

Would you expect Satan to do something like claim to be God?

It is a possibility and the law of stupid demands that all possibilities are likely with stupid.
Pointing out that I'm even more suspicious about your God fixation now.

'Florence reminds me of myself' is the game related bit. We both like to claim truthfully.

Oh man, where do I begin... If that's all you're going to boast about then I feel somewhat sorry for you. I could say I'm similar to Fred and say nothing more, where's the contribution in that? How do I know that you claim truthfully?

Most players have decided to not post at all Day 1 so far.

That is true considering the low-class activity that we're currently witnessing. Should we start wagons to encourage lurkers to vote?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

That is true considering the low-class activity that we're currently witnessing. Should we start wagons to encourage lurkers to vote?

A wagon would be good, but nobody is particularly pinging me as scum as of yet, right now the best option would be Florence claim to be god, which is anti town.

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

im here

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

A wagon would be good, but nobody is particularly pinging me as scum as of yet, right now the best option would be Florence claim to be god, which is anti town.

Harry is the only one voting Florence at the moment. For the sake of game progression as well the accusations of anti-town behavior, I'll place my vote on Florence. I expect your vote to escalate the wagon further, making it three whole votes.

-vote M-FM Florence Palmer

Strange question from me, what's your opinion about me?

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

so hi eveeryone im town i am new here idk what to do

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Harry is the only one voting Florence at the moment. For the sake of game progression as well the accusations of anti-town behavior, I'll place my vote on Florence. I expect your vote to escalate the wagon further, making it three whole votes.

-vote M-FM Florence Palmer

Strange question from me, what's your opinion about me?

Bad decision. I curse upon thee.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

so hi eveeryone im town i am new here idk what to do

Why do you need to claim loud and proudly that you're town? As for not knowing what to do, are you new here or what?

Bad decision. I curse upon thee.

Oh great, the vermin are biting.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Why do you need to claim loud and proudly that you're town? As for not knowing what to do, are you new here or what?



Oh great, the vermin are biting.

I am satisfied.

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

I HATE THE NAME BERTHA IS OLD GRANNY NAME HAHAHAHA SORRY OLD BAG

-vote M-FM Bertha Anderson

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

I HATE THE NAME BERTHA IS OLD GRANNY NAME HAHAHAHA SORRY OLD BAG

-vote M-FM Bertha Anderson

That was odd.

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

That was odd.

NO U R !!

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

NO U R !!

No you!

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

No you!

STOP IT HORSE RADISH YOU ARE WEIRDER AND U NEED TO SIT THE F DOWN U MAFIA SCUM I SHOULD VOTE U BUT I WONT !!!

[M-FM Mary Hughes]

Strange question from me, what's your opinion about me?

I'd like to answer this.
With the way you put down your vote and the stance you have seemed to captain as of yet I would read you as a neutral standpoint. Posting behavior seems to suggest that you have the potential to be an outspoken hardhitter, someone who goes after the scummy people without fear. However you have just now voted and the wording behind it suggests to me that it's done hesitantly which counters the previous read. You share an opinion with half our site in post #157 talking about vermin, which I took to symbolize the lackluster players who don't try here.

You don't have to much inside each post to get a deep read on. Most of your posts are surface posts, or reactionary posts to what other members are saying. The conclusions to draw from what you have presented so far is something I'll keep to myself but here is what I've read about you.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

STOP IT HORSE RADISH YOU ARE WEIRDER AND U NEED TO SIT THE F DOWN U MAFIA SCUM I SHOULD VOTE U BUT I WONT !!!

You shouldn't vote me anyway, I am God.

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

You shouldn't vote me anyway, I am God.

wait is that a role ur god oh no my bad

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

wait is that a role ur god oh no my bad

So you finally figured it out. Good job! A++

[M-FM Thomas Grant]

So you finally figured it out. Good job! A++

):

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

I hate asshole genies. I wish for activity, granted - more shitposts.

I'd like to answer this.
With the way you put down your vote and the stance you have seemed to captain as of yet I would read you as a neutral standpoint. Posting behavior seems to suggest that you have the potential to be an outspoken hardhitter, someone who goes after the scummy people without fear. However you have just now voted and the wording behind it suggests to me that it's done hesitantly which counters the previous read. You share an opinion with half our site in post #157 talking about vermin, which I took to symbolize the lackluster players who don't try here.

You don't have to much inside each post to get a deep read on. Most of your posts are surface posts, or reactionary posts to what other members are saying. The conclusions to draw from what you have presented so far is something I'll keep to myself but here is what I've read about you.

Interesting read. True, the vote is somewhat hesitant because I would rather vote for Bertha.
My reason for not doing so is because Bertha is significantly more active and has some appreciated contribution, perhaps I will vote later or tomorrow should there be a slip which is far more common for active posters.

I don't write too much because let's face it, a lot of players do not like to read walls of text. Information that isn't blunt enough or straight forward may also in general be unread or misunderstood.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I'd like to answer this.
With the way you put down your vote and the stance you have seemed to captain as of yet I would read you as a neutral standpoint. Posting behavior seems to suggest that you have the potential to be an outspoken hardhitter, someone who goes after the scummy people without fear. However you have just now voted and the wording behind it suggests to me that it's done hesitantly which counters the previous read. You share an opinion with half our site in post #157 talking about vermin, which I took to symbolize the lackluster players who don't try here.

You don't have to much inside each post to get a deep read on. Most of your posts are surface posts, or reactionary posts to what other members are saying. The conclusions to draw from what you have presented so far is something I'll keep to myself but here is what I've read about you.

Insightful, I hae to say I don't hae quite a read on Clarence as well. dae tell what r yer thoughts on me and Robinson too?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I hate asshole genies. I wish for activity, granted - more shitposts.



Interesting read. True, the vote is somewhat hesitant because I would rather vote for Bertha.
My reason for not doing so is because Bertha is significantly more active and has some appreciated contribution, perhaps I will vote later or tomorrow should there be a slip which is far more common for active posters.

I don't write too much because let's face it, a lot of players do not like to read walls of text. Information that isn't blunt enough or straight forward may also in general be unread or misunderstood.

Then y don't thou vote me? dae thou think voting me will make me less active or less likely to contribute? This is odd.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

There is currently two wagons, if ye can ring up the one with two votes a wagon. One on myself and one on Florence, don't considerably fancy either to be frank, so I think Ill join Mr Robinson:

-vote M-FM Joseph Johnson

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

Then y don't thou vote me? dae thou think voting me will make me less active or less likely to contribute? This is odd.

I already gave a reason, so this question isn't needed.

Perhaps it is odd but it's more based on gut and personally I think that if you're scum, you're going to slip up sooner or later which we will pick up on.
Voting you wouldn't change your behavior and because there's no definitive scum read there's little to gain at the moment, it's far more beneficial to vote up someone that's directly anti-town and lead a wagon to encourage players to vote and make a discussion for pro / con out of it.

Unless of course you're insisting to become the lynch candidate of the day or that you'll be pressured into revealing your role. I'm yet to see anything directly scummy and anti-towny.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Vote Count 1-3
M-FM Joseph Johnson (2):M-FM Bertha Anderson, M-FM Fred Robinson
M-FM Gertrude Banks (1):M-FM Ethel McAllister
M-FM Bertha Anderson (3):M-FM Gertrude Banks, M-FM Florence Palmer, M-FM Thomas Grant
M-FM William Reed (1):M-FM Edward O'Connor
M-FM Florence Palmer (2):M-FM Harry Smith, M-FM Clarence Shephard

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I already gave a reason, so this question isn't needed.

Perhaps it is odd but it's more based on gut and personally I think that if you're scum, you're going to slip up sooner or later which we will pick up on.
Voting you wouldn't change your behavior and because there's no definitive scum read there's little to gain at the moment, it's far more beneficial to vote up someone that's directly anti-town and lead a wagon to encourage players to vote and make a discussion for pro / con out of it.

Unless of course you're insisting to become the lynch candidate of the day or that you'll be pressured into revealing your role. I'm yet to see anything directly scummy and anti-towny.

So you are town reading me?
You said you wanted to vote me, why? Cause I am the leading wagon? You can't just say I want to vote X but I won't because he is active. That isn't a good reason to vote someone nor a good reason not to vote someone.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

So you are town reading me?
You said you wanted to vote me, why? Cause I am the leading wagon? You can't just say I want to vote X but I won't because he is active. That isn't a good reason to vote someone nor a good reason not to vote someone.

Way to make a strawman. No, I'm not town reading you. There's a gut read that makes it a neutral to scum-lean but a gut read isn't a legitimate reason to pursue anything. You're active = more likely to post, each post having a chance at a scumslip which will lead up on a wagon.

Your contribution for the moment is adequate for now and I rather pursue them who are legitimately scummy or anti-town by behavior.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Way to make a strawman. No, I'm not town reading you. There's a gut read that makes it a neutral to scum-lean but a gut read isn't a legitimate reason to pursue anything. You're active = more likely to post, each post having a chance at a scumslip which will lead up on a wagon.

Your contribution for the moment is adequate for now and I rather pursue them who are legitimately scummy or anti-town by behavior.

How is anything I said a strawman. You were the one to say you wanted to vote me but that you didn't want to. And your explanation was based on activity. Please point out where I am misrepresenting you here.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

You two should get along and chill, who cares! Stop fighting and enjoy yourselves. Nobody's lives are at stake.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Oh right, this is mafia, theres people who kills n stuff. My bad.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

You two should get along and chill, who cares! Stop fighting and enjoy yourselves. Nobody's lives are at stake.

You know your attitude this whole game has been anti town, correct? You want to drop the act and come out and say you were just reaction testing or you waiting for more people like Shephard to point out how obviously anti town your play is.

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Oh right, this is mafia, theres people who kills n stuff. My bad.

Ahhh I love SC2Mafia Troll Day 1. It is an excellent diversion from trying to make the day semi useful. Now I am off gents because surely my time here is wasted trying to make the day meaningful. Cheerio.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

As your God,

I will not discuss sins, prayers, my son Jesus, or any strategies relating to my role. I will read all strategies you may suggest and take it to considerations, but I will act everything out of my own will.

I will smite all who oppose me and my people! By the end of this M-FM, we shall emerge victorious! This is my promise to my people!

First things first.
if he isn't actual god|| Real god should be careful of counterclaiming since the scum may have a bum.

Second

Do you agree to follow the plan? If you do not say your agreement or disagreement, I will read you as scum, since failure to follow a guaranteed plan for town to win is as pro-scum as one can be.

Third

If you already claimed god and are actually god. You are an idiot.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

reading the setup again oh well I will post whatever question I have about it. I just want to have a good grasp at all of the aspects of the setup , I'm not soft claiming anything.

1 - god receives the entire player list without their names. the order of this list stay static or changes each night?
2 - so we won't have any god anymore if there is no not sinful Christian ?
3 - both roleblock attempt and the roleblocked person will be sinful ?
4 - Sinners can pray (maybe for forgiveness only)? nothing is specified in their role pms. if yes , and if god answers that prayer what will happen?
6 - not sinful people can pray for forgiveness? what will happen if god answers that prayer?
7 - Glutton can take half of the god prayer answer charges as well?

ok now the plan seems ridiculously stupid. scum has 3 roles that can mess with the god without killing him ... (Glutton , Politician , Bum)

8 - if a god dies , the new god will receive the last night prayer feedback and sin numbers?
9 - god knows which number is him ? what about jesus?
10 - if an Antichrist die but his wincon (both god and jesus being dead) fulfills , game ends ?

in the sample massage of prayer result sinful people are like this :
Pray-o-meter:
1. Strength
2. Sinful
3. Forgivness
4. Strength
5. Willpower
6. Sinful
7. Protection
8. Protection
9. Sinful
10.
11. <--- You
12.
13.
14.
15. Sinful
16. Sinful
17. Name: Noctiz Role: Escort
18.
19. Blessing
20.

it confused me as hell. how someone prayed for forgiveness. god can see the sinful people in his lists? if someone is sinful and praying for forgiveness god can recognise it?

The numbers are NOT randomized every time he gets the list, I think dw made this pretty clear in his post about changing it in the setup.
Aka The numbers will always be the same every time for the same person.

Glutton is irrelevant to the plan, God doesn't have to answer prayers and therefore doesn't necessarily need charges.
IF god is blackmailed and he knows a scum he can simply vote then unvote then vote again. Blackmailer will also be revealed later on if he ever chooses to use his abilioty.
Setup says God disguises not that another player becomes god (Theres a difference we will have same god all game even if their M-FM name changes)
Now bring up bum is a good point. If god is drugged he can just say so, if bum makes god recieve fake prayer feedback then he would know since the bum can't see god's number list(The list would be too messed up). This makes bum pratically useless and we would know quickly if there is one. Notice how this plan does not change that we scumhunt during day.


Also am I the only one thinking that the guy claiming god right now is behaving scummingly aka posts of no real input?

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

How is anything I said a strawman. You were the one to say you wanted to vote me but that you didn't want to. And your explanation was based on activity. Please point out where I am misrepresenting you here.

Instead of making a long answer, I'll just color code my previous messages. Same colors are related.
The only thing I will add is that I didn't write every reason in 169, I should've included the gut thing which I've posted elsewhere if I remember right.

My reason for not doing so is because Bertha is significantly more active and has some appreciated contribution, perhaps I will vote later or tomorrow should there be a slip which is far more common for active posters.

I already gave a reason, so this question isn't needed.

Perhaps it is odd but it's more based on gut and personally I think that if you're scum, you're going to slip up sooner or later which we will pick up on.
Voting you wouldn't change your behavior and because there's no definitive scum read there's little to gain at the moment, it's far more beneficial to vote up someone that's directly anti-town and lead a wagon to encourage players to vote and make a discussion for pro / con out of it.

Way to make a strawman. No, I'm not town reading you. There's a gut read that makes it a neutral to scum-lean but a gut read isn't a legitimate reason to pursue anything. You're active = more likely to post, each post having a chance at a scumslip which will lead up on a wagon.

Your contribution for the moment is adequate for now and I rather pursue them who are legitimately scummy or anti-town by behavior.

[M-FM Mary Hughes]

Insightful, I hae to say I don't hae quite a read on Clarence as well. dae tell what r yer thoughts on me and Robinson too?

I don't like that you are buddying up with him based on his plans. I also don't like your choice of RP but that's a personal matter and not game related. You throw around the term anti town a lot which is suggestive of being an aggressive personality. The RP fits that's personality. You haven't been voting the people you are going against which is a sign of experience. I dislike the VCing but I understand it's place in site meta. Slight town read but it's day one brah.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Given that we have 5 total prayers that can be prayed right now.

I can make a list right now for everyone's prayer if so desired.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Given that we have 5 total prayers that can be prayed right now.

I can make a list right now for everyone's prayer if so desired.

5 prayers is super-optimal for 20people for fairly obvious reasons.

[M-FM Clarence Shephard]

I can make a list right now for everyone's prayer if so desired.

If there's no benefit of scum having this list, then go for it now.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If there's no benefit of scum having this list, then go for it now.

Okay. I can't think of a reason for posting every-day that scum could pull shenagins over since if they pray for someone else they will be lynched for not following theres and then revealed on the list. Thereby showing the other scum they prayed for.

Give me a few minutes.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Name	D1 Prayer	D2 Prayer(TBD)
M-FM Ernest Mitchell	Forgiveness
M-FM Bertha Anderson	Forgiveness
M-FM Mary Hughes	Forgiveness
M-FM William Reed	Forgiveness
M-FM Lillian Brady	Willpower
M-FM Clara Wilson	Willpower
M-FM Ethel McAllister	Willpower
M-FM Joseph Johnson	Willpower
M-FM Thomas King	Blessing
M-FM Fred Robinson	Blessing
M-FM Margaret Smith	Blessing
M-FM Edward O'Connor	Blessing
M-FM Roy Larkins	Protection
M-FM Harry Smith	Protection
M-FM Florence Palmer	Protection
M-FM Clarence Shephard	Protection
M-FM Gertrude Banks	Strength
M-FM David Graham	Strength
M-FM Thomas Grant	Strength
M-FM Walter Livingston	Strength

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Name	N1 Prayer	N2 Prayer(TBD)
M-FM Ernest Mitchell	Forgiveness
M-FM Bertha Anderson	Forgiveness
M-FM Mary Hughes	Forgiveness
M-FM William Reed	Forgiveness
M-FM Lillian Brady	Willpower
M-FM Clara Wilson	Willpower
M-FM Ethel McAllister	Willpower
M-FM Joseph Johnson	Willpower
M-FM Thomas King	Blessing
M-FM Fred Robinson	Blessing
M-FM Margaret Smith	Blessing
M-FM Edward O'Connor	Blessing
M-FM Roy Larkins	Protection
M-FM Harry Smith	Protection
M-FM Florence Palmer	Protection
M-FM Clarence Shephard	Protection
M-FM Gertrude Banks	Strength
M-FM David Graham	Strength
M-FM Thomas Grant	Strength
M-FM Walter Livingston	Strength

SUPPOSED TO BE N1 WHOOPS

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Ahhh I love SC2Mafia Troll Day 1. It is an excellent diversion from trying to make the day semi useful. Now I am off gents because surely my time here is wasted trying to make the day meaningful. Cheerio.

This post is scummy.

Said he refuse to participate anymore because of some specific players.
There are always some specific players in every games post like that, and some are even worse, like FM Batman.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

First things first.
if he isn't actual god|| Real god should be careful of counterclaiming since the scum may have a bum.

Second

Do you agree to follow the plan? If you do not say your agreement or disagreement, I will read you as scum, since failure to follow a guaranteed plan for town to win is as pro-scum as one can be.

Third

If you already claimed god and are actually god. You are an idiot.

k.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

k.

-vote Florence Palmer

KK. Not expressing folowwing of guaranteed plan for win-con is anti-win-con and pro-scum.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

-vote Florence Palmer

KK. Not expressing folowwing of guaranteed plan for win-con is anti-win-con and pro-scum.

u mad bro? u mad?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

-vote Florence Palmer

KK. Not expressing folowwing of guaranteed plan for win-con is anti-win-con and pro-scum.

-vote M-FM Florence Palmer

1Personally I think no-lynching is best but either this guy is pro-scum god.
2This guy is trolling guy pretending to be god but even so sohuld express agreement.
3Or this guy is scum pretending to be god in order to try to get us to abandon the guaranteed plan.\

3 is the only one that's playing to a win-con

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If you can find a flaw in this plan I Encourage you too.
Otherwise if you are god or town pretending to be god, you should express agreement if you can find no flaw

Since hte plan is guaranteed if one does not express agreement without finding a flaw in the plan. One is playing directly against a guaranteed town win and is therefore pro-scum.
I cannot stress this enough or the importance of following this plan.

[M-FM Florence Palmer]

Its not that I dont disagree with the plan or anything. I'll be honest, I don't understand exactly how the role God works.

[M-FM Edward O'Connor]

Ahhh I love SC2Mafia Troll Day 1. It is an excellent diversion from trying to make the day semi useful. Now I am off gents because surely my time here is wasted trying to make the day meaningful. Cheerio.

Again with the righteous indognation. Feels over the top, like "look how town I am for getting frustrated with the anti town behavior which is now my excuse to leave"

-vote M-FM Bertha Anderson

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Its not that I dont disagree with the plan or anything. I'll be honest, I don't understand exactly how the role God works.

Ah. Let me help you.
You can see how many players sin(complete a yellow action) each night.
You also recieve a list of 20numbers(each number coresponds to a person) of their prayers or lack thereof. If a player forsakes their night action and prays to you, you will see what they pray by their number at the start of the day. You have 30charges of answering prayers( You can choose whether to or to not answer prayers, I recommned to not answer if we are folowwing this plan)

By assigning prayers to people we can determine who isn't folowwing through through ___-chotomies.
Such as a person is a commonality in 3 groups where a prayer was missing(he was supposed to pray in each of those groups but in every group he was in you only recieved 3 of those prayers, so since he is the only commonality you know he is scum who cannot or is choosing not to pray).

Does this help?
I can explain your role throughly in a spolier-wall post in needed