M-FM XXVIII Heaven Descends Upon Thee Gamethread

[M-FM William Reed]

and if the recent god claim is true we're just doomed as god won't receive last night info if get killed and disguised.

tbh its the most concerning thing for me right now.

if thats the case then if we go with your plan we already lost the game

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I guess scums are in the lurkers becuase they have conflicted feelings about your plan.

obviously it will scare them a bit , so its natural for them to not contribute in game

I will happily vote a lurker at this point.

peidt : thats kind of more like it. If we lynch and do the plan then we have a possible pool in day 4 with 4 or 5 scums . and we have the chance to lynch scum by then.

I still think we don't have enough time after when the info get public to lynch the scum

and if the recent god claim is true we're just doomed as god won't receive last night info if get killed and disguised.

I thought God still get the info of prayers even if he dies and reincarnates?
Also,If that guy really is god, we are probably doomed already. No offense to that guy or maybe offense.


I'd like to clarify this now since you brought it up

By confirming your prayer I am not asking you to not lynch. Your decisions on lynching are what you feel best about. If you want to say that you are for or not for lynching thats fine but should be considered as an independent stance or extension from the plan.

So are you willing to confirm given this?


The reason i brought up probabilities was that you did worst-case scenario thing which is assuming that we hit a low-occuring and worse possible probability. Worst Case is only slightly more likely than scum hitting each other for reference. Hence why I don't like when people bring out hypothetical worst-case.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

tbh its the most concerning thing for me right now.

if thats the case then if we go with your plan we already lost the game

God-claim guy expressed some degree of willingness to follow it with explanation of his role which i did. I'd assume he can do something as basica as comparing two lists.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

The only people who have been replaced out, requested it.

Thanks for helping me read people by answering questions that were never asked totally unbiased host!

[M-FM William Reed]

well I'm sure I asked about that somewhere before. and mod said god won't receive data from the guy who disguised in or last night.

not sure

I will confirm to pray if and ONLY if all the players confirm it.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Keep in mind we have super-op jesus and god roles that can't die, know each otehr, and one of which gets an extra vote. I think scum would literally have to hit completely worse-case scenario to potentially stop the plan if we no-lynch.

However as I stated we can still lynch. I didn't see any particularly good or op night actions that would be more benefecial than knowing all scum on d3 by praying.

[M-FM William Reed]

and I have a really bad feeling about this.

every time I went with a breaking strategy I lost. I'm so damned paranoid about this . so many things can go wrong

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

well I'm sure I asked about that somewhere before. and mod said god won't receive data from the guy who disguised in or last night.

not sure

I will confirm to pray if and ONLY if all the players confirm it.

Just confirm, you can redact it later at the end of the day.
If at least 13 players(the town) don't confirm it then we can't follow it anyway.
Your confirm is allowed to be thrown out the window at that point.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

and I have a really bad feeling about this.

every time I went with a breaking strategy I lost. I'm so damned paranoid about this . so many things can go wrong

Well it's directly from a breaking strategy that the host previously admitted was game-breaking so....

[M-FM William Reed]

ehem

we won't know all scum in day 3. we will have a pool that contains antichrist , satan and authesits people for sure. nothing more

pedit :/conditional confirmed

If by end of the day even 1 player didn't confirm it I won't garantee following the plan.

I might not be able to be here before the day end. not sure.

[M-FM William Reed]

oh I will check the thread to vote someone later for sure. I won't be able to be online in the last 8 hours of the day most probably ^ so that confirm works like that

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

ehem

we won't know all scum in day 3. we will have a pool that contains antichrist , satan and authesits people for sure. nothing more

pedit :/conditional confirmed

If by end of the day even 1 player didn't confirm it I won't garantee following the plan.

I might not be able to be here before the day end. not sure.

Are you saying 19players or 12players when you say 1 player?

Because the scum have absolutely no reason to confirm this plan, you realize correct?

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Town=13 players Scum=7
For reference.

[M-FM William Reed]

hmm

thats correct

12 players beside me.
its now 2 I guess

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

If players fail to submit a night action will they instantly be modkilled/replaced or do nothing.
What's the punishment for not followign the post rule aswell.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

hmm

thats correct

12 players beside me.
its now 2 I guess

3 players have currently confirmed including us.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

You forgot to put the prayer you are praying next to your confirm btw.....

[M-FM William Reed]

I should go for forgiveness?

ok /Conditional Confirm pray forgiveness

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Name	N1 Prayer	N2 Prayer	N3 Prayer	N4 Prayer	N5 Prayer
M-FM Ernest Mitchell	Forgiveness	Strength	Protection	Blessing	Willpower
M-FM Bertha Anderson	Forgiveness	Protection	Willpower	Strength	Blessing
M-FM Mary Hughes	Forgiveness	Blessing	Strength	Willpower	Protection
M-FM William Reed	Forgiveness	Willpower	Blessing	Protection	Strength
M-FM Lillian Brady	Willpower	Forgiveness	Strength	Protection	Blessing
M-FM Clara Wilson	Willpower	Strength	Blessing	Forgiveness	Protection
M-FM Ethel McAllister	Willpower	Protection	Forgiveness	Blessing	Strength
M-FM Joseph Johnson	Willpower	Blessing	Protection	Strength	Forgiveness
M-FM Thomas King	Blessing	Willpower	Forgiveness	Strength	Protection
M-FM Fred Robinson	Blessing	Forgiveness	Protection	Willpower	Strength
M-FM Margaret Smith	Blessing	Strength	Willpower	Protection	Forgiveness
M-FM Edward O'Connor	Blessing	Protection	Strength	Forgiveness	Willpower
M-FM Roy Larkins	Protection	Blessing	Willpower	Forgiveness	Strength
M-FM Harry Smith	Protection	Willpower	Strength	Blessing	Forgiveness
M-FM Florence Palmer	Protection	Forgiveness	Blessing	Strength	Willpower
M-FM Clarence Shephard	Protection	Strength	Forgiveness	Willpower	Blessing
M-FM Gertrude Banks	Strength	Protection	Blessing	Willpower	Forgiveness
M-FM David Graham	Strength	Blessing	Forgiveness	Protection	Willpower
M-FM Thomas Grant	Strength	Willpower	Protection	Forgiveness	Blessing
M-FM Walter Livingston	Strength	Forgiveness	Willpower	Blessing	Protection

There you guys Go!
Repeat back at n1 after n6.

Everyone should /confirm their action
such as /confirm Blessing
Please do it in teal so it's easy to see in the thread.


Even if you claim god and can't pray(keep in mind that if you are god, your groups will be missing 1 since you can't pray and the list should have you on there as well if it has 20numbers)

[M-FM William Reed]

/Conditional Confirm Forgiveness

omg

lol

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I should go for forgiveness?

ok /Conditional Confirm pray forgiveness

Yes

Please follow the format I described for searchign through at end of day.

It is an assumption we are all taking that 13 people will confirm. If not then teh plan is thrown away so the conditional isn't necessary.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

For The Record I'm going to rage at all town so hard if they don't follow this without giving a good reason why.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

For The Record I'm going to rage at all town so hard if they don't follow this without giving a good reason why.

Postgame of course.

[M-FM William Reed]

I said why

Its not breaking the game. Its just delaying a fight. its as beneficial for scum as it is for town.

But I won't hesitate to follow it if the rest of the town is following it.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

I said why

Its not breaking the game. Its just delaying a fight. its as beneficial for scum as it is for town.

But I won't hesitate to follow it if the rest of the town is following it.

No, I'm fairly satisfied with your reason for being apprehensive about it and being very conditional.

Also if 13 people don't confirm, people probably shouldn't follow it. So what you're doing i'm completely fine with.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Table of Plan

#Prayeverryday

/confirm Willpower

[M-FM William Reed]

@Ethel

any reads?

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Also, I don't care what the host just said but those who replaced out are probably town.

I admit to reading this whole thread and have little to know what is going on.
Train on Bertha Anderson is either scum motivated or stupid towns.

Consider what he has done:
1. Has contributed to discussion.
2. Is active.
3. Has confirmed his prayer.
4. Is typing oddly in some places.

There is literally no reason to vote to stop conversations at this point. A "random" lynch on an inactive reveals so much more about alignments at this point.

[M-FM William Reed]

ok thx lol

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

@Ethel

any reads?

The vote I'm currently on is scum 70% sure.
Both William and Fred are town. Even if they are scum, I wouldn't care. No reason to lynch scum day 1 if they are helping us.


Due to the number of inactives I am in favor of a policy lynch today, and of course the person I've voted.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Also thanks for running the scenarios for me, I promised I'd do it today and now I don't have to deliver

[M-FM William Reed]

why you think the replace outers are probably town ? if they see the plan as a game break strategy they might replace out .

[M-FM William Reed]

I can sheep people on inactive slots

-vote M-FM Gertrude Banks

let's see how this thing goes.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

The main thing that I fear about this plan is the human aspect of it. I'm not one to analyze the mechanics of the plan (I will of course attempt), but that this plan paints a target on all of our strongest players. Should, in the event that we have too many human errors (i.e. inactivity, misreading, gambits- no please) town is doomed with only the most illogical left.

[M-FM William Reed]

this ^

and we must consider we have so many inactive people

and a claimed god

[M-FM William Reed]

oh my god

something just occurred to me

can Antichrist force people to pray something ?

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Hey guys what have I missed?

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Hey guys what have I missed?

Much little of nothing, most people, like myself have given small worries about the grand plan. However, I would like to know your thoughts on M-FM Clarence Shephard

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Much little of nothing, most people, like myself have given small worries about the grand plan. However, I would like to know your thoughts on M-FM Clarence Shephard

No strong opinions on the guy at the moment to be honest. I am a little inebriated.

[M-FM William Reed]

Bertha what's your read on the two replacement requests?

and I want to see your opinion about the concerns we talked about in these few pages

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

Bertha what's your read on the two replacement requests?

and I want to see your opinion about the concerns we talked about in these few pages

We don't know a lot about these guys who decided to replace out, they could be in a different situation then when they originally agreed to play the game. Remember this game was in sign ups nearly a full month ago. So they may have backed out realizing that they aren't in same situation when they joined. So whose to say they even read their role card? Or just looked saw the game was starting then thought "Damn I can't play". I read all replacements as null in general. While its a nice move to replace out if you don't have time for the game, I don't consider it a alignment move. They aren't more town or more scum for it. The person who replaced out just has more respect from me replacing out of a game they weren't going to be active in.

[M-FM William Reed]

yes that was a wise answer

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

In repsonse to Bethel Anderson[/I];570022]U mad u have a vote or w0t

Why are you raging so hard for something so simple? Overreaction much? That's a lot of righteous indignation there.

Again with the righteous indognation. Feels over the top, like "look how town I am for getting frustrated with the anti town behavior which is now my excuse to leave"

Please note the repetitive wording used. This is also a very basic and simple attack, made seemingly AND THEN backing it up with something weak.
M-FM Edward O'Connor: Scum

I'm off mate, Toddle-bye

I'd like to answer this.
With the way you put down your vote and the stance you have seemed to captain as of yet I would read you as a neutral standpoint. Posting behavior seems to suggest that you have the potential to be an outspoken hardhitter, someone who goes after the scummy people without fear. However you have just now voted and the wording behind it suggests to me that it's done hesitantly which counters the previous read. You share an opinion with half our site in post #157 talking about vermin, which I took to symbolize the lackluster players who don't try here.

You don't have to much inside each post to get a deep read on. Most of your posts are surface posts, or reactionary posts to what other members are saying. The conclusions to draw from what you have presented so far is something I'll keep to myself but here is what I've read about you.

Hesitant and thoughtful, I'm expecting quite a bit of Ms. Hughes. Has yet to answer her own question, but we will have to be patient.
M-FM Mary Hughes: Town

Thanks love for the contributions so far. I got a good feeling that you are town in this game so far. With Robinson that makes two strong town. Doing better with town hunting at the moment then scumhunting, guessing scum don't have the nerve to come in here and post. Limey bastards.

Hello ol' chap. Nice to have you on this fine site playing with us! We could sure use your own experience to see things from a different angle. I am not as experienced with MS play, and I believe we have a few here. Always interesting to see other styles of play.

I just have a few questions for you when you get back:
What do you think of Mr Robinson plan? (of course assuming you gave the setup a good glance0
How do you feel about the players currently? (Ethan, me, and Robinson are the ones most fairly active)
If you were scum and going to pray tonight, which prayer would you think is most beneficial to your win condition?

It is a heavily anti town move and it annoys me the players approach to the game. It is effectively saying they don't want to work together with anyone. However I highly doubt they are the role they claim to be, so it really doesn't matter. I notice a train is building on them which I think is kind of pointless since that slot will likely resolve itself in a day phase or two, just consider the player a jester and move on. That is my opinion of that for next few day phases.

I have way too many town reads and not enough scum reads, I may have to rethink some of these bad plays coming from bad town or something.

Outlined the town portions once more. Asked a question and volunteered analysis first. Focused on the big picture. Has town reads in a town effort.
M-FM Bertha Anderson: Town

i feel that on the off chance the ol gal is the lord then votin her mightn be a mistake ol chap and i be seein that it if the ol gal is tryin to be usin the wifom to deter people would be en stupid idea as the lord above can not be grounded by the evil ones old chap so i just contradicted me-self so i see where your gettin at from that unneeded bold post,ol chap

-vote Florence Palmer

No ol gal I am not counterclaiminh you however I thought you was not being serious about your claimin so I will

-unvote

I don't want to talk about this player, but you can notice the unvoting behavior.
M-FM Harry Smith: Scum

i am town STICKERS REMOVED BY ME

M-FM Thomas Grant: Town

And I'm always saying in all my games that omgus is not scummy.

oh my god you suck!

I'm extremely over defensive and emotional. and I'm a very good scum hunter. oh is that another soft claiming?

still waiting for your answer

I'm from MS and I can see why you voted me like a scum trying to frame people. I was just trying to see if things are different around here or not

but yeah , Setup spec =/= scum hunting so I have no idea why you'd even mention that.

[vote]M-FM Edward O'Conner/vte] <- messed something up here

I asked a direct question from you. your making it ridiculously complicated in a scummy way.

I'm extremely aggressive , a freak in all means , emotional . and I don't care if your voting me first. If i think your acting scummy you get my vote.

its as simple as that

now you have a question to answer for

I am very bad at scum hunting. My preferred place is to townhunt.
M-FM William Reed: Town

Hello everyone, I am a replacement. Is there anything I should know as I read up?

I need someone's opinion on this one. Do you think this "should" is a innocent one or one that is asking "should I be aware of something as scum"?
M-FM David Graham: Null

Okay. I am your average person. I like cabbage. Florence reminds me of myself. Also, WR and I know each other if they are who I think they are.

M-FM Roy Larkins: Town but useless

Checking in. Im traveling today and tomorrow so i wont have much time to contribute.

M-FM Lillian Brady: Scum

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

M-FM Edward O'Connor: Scum

M-FM Mary Hughes: Town

M-FM Bertha Anderson: Town

M-FM Harry Smith: Scum

M-FM Thomas Grant: Town

M-FM William Reed: Town

M-FM David Graham: Null

M-FM Roy Larkins: Town

M-FM Lillian Brady: Scum

I feel no reason to hide today.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

M-FM Edward O'Connor: Scum

M-FM Mary Hughes: Town

M-FM Bertha Anderson: Town

M-FM Harry Smith: Scum

M-FM Thomas Grant: Town

M-FM William Reed: Town

M-FM David Graham: Null

M-FM Roy Larkins: Town

M-FM Lillian Brady: Scum

I feel no reason to hide today.

Hey, don't forget me...

oh my god

something just occurred to me

can Antichrist force people to pray something ?

ANTICHRIST FORCES PEOPLE TO PRAY NOW.

WTF IS HAPPENING TO SATAN.

I still don't think this makes plan fail based on flips in list if we do mislynch if this can happenbut its good to note.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

M-FM Gertude Banks is also scum and its rather blatant.

Clarence and Florence I will do tomorrow. As of now they are both town.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

You know what.

I'm 50-50 on lynch versus no lynch right now.

Still pray but I'm willing to lynch now.

If God dies does he still recieve the list of prayers,sins,etc.? if he doesn't recieve it immediately will he recieve it in addition to another night's paryers?

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

[QUOTE=M-FM Fred Robinson;570424]Hey, don't forget me...

Town, sorry.

Also scratch Clarence and Florence, I doubt I will be analyzing them in detail unless I get up early enough tomorrow.
My back hurts. Glad there wasn't too much to analyze.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Also scum could have replaced because of this plan or irl issues but so far I've never see scum ask for replacement on this site, so I'm going to assume slight town on those. I'm not going to hard read the replacements because I don't feel like wifoming.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Table of Plan/Prayers

#Prayeveryday

4 of 13 people have confirmed.

All town please go over this plan and confirm your prayer and/or disagreements.

I would perfer you just confirm since I think we've covered just about everything and you've had 36hours to say stuff about it any last few hour(1-2hour from day end) disagreements will be considered scummily and i would perfer ythat you confirm with your disagreemenets at that point.