S-FM 176: Mafia Wars

[Orpz]

OH SOMEONE NOTICED

WOW

ITS ALMOST LIKE SEN IS SCUM OR SOMETHING

What....? My statement applied to both trains. Both trains have 3 people who mislynched Spruance on them.

[MattZed]

IT IS NOW NIGHT 2

July 6th, 1959

It was time to get back to the family business: Murder.

DarknessB, the Drug Dealer, has been lynched.

He left a last will:

Well, thanks a lot for mislynching me idiots -- I was a fucking Drug Dealer, as you can hopefully see (assuming I wasn't Tailored... see below for that theory). So much for that "never been mislynched" record of mine. You've all made very bad names to yourselves...

In the interest of helping you guys recover from this fuck up, let me leave you with some information:

• I was NOT roleblocked on Night 1 -- it's very clear based on my feedback from MattZed and Matt specifically confirmed that there were not any mistakes.
• Either there's another Drug Dealer who is too stupid to reveal, or Fire is completely full of shit and fooled you guys with some elaborate gambit. I am assuming the latter honestly.
• As many of you have pointed out, why would Fire do this? I'm honestly guessing the Lucianos have a Tailor and he's going to make me show up as a Luciano aligned-role in the graveyard, which is why I'm writing this LW in the first place. Do not blindly believe in the flips in terms of giving players Town credibility -- this is exactly the trick they intend to use.
• My theory is that Fire is attempting to leverage the fact that the Lucianos have a Tailor to get some Town credibility if I was in fact tailored, as I believe is likely. As I mentioned to you all before, he has an affinity toward pulling elaborate gambits (Charmander's Revenge, Koopolitics, etc.).
• So then, why was there no night kill? I am assuming there are additional Doctors around, one of which healed someone who was attacked last night. This is even more annoying -- thanks for not revealing guys? Someone clearly knows something about why there wasn't a kill and is holding onto it.
• Basically, I think what happened is as follows: the Lucianos' night kill was prevented somehow (likely a heal). Fire, a Luciano, having seen this decided to YOLO and claim he had roleblocked me, especially given all the pressure on me yesterday. You guys decided to adopt the SC2 mod style (listen to night feedback without any additional thought) and blindly lynch me for this gambit. And, once all that took place, everyone decided to AFK, satisfied with their mislynch.

Good luck, Gambinos -- with this level of play and no scumhunting taking place, you are going to need it.

Living Players: Calix Firebringer RLVG Yukitaka Oni Orpz Suntax ThePaladin TheDarkestLight Toadette Sen deathworlds Dead/Incarcerated Players: MattZed - Body Double Spruance - Caporegime DarknessB - Drug Dealer

Night 2 Ends at 4:00 PM PST January 29th.

[MattZed]

Night ends in 6 hours. (Timer had accidentally said 30 more hours)

[ThePaladin]

Well Drunkadin Explained My Reasoning well albeit derply.
Let's end the fbi here shall we?

-vote Yukitaka Oni

[MattZed]

IT IS NOW DAY 3

July 7th, 1959

It had been three days since MattZed was murdered, and the Lucianos were nowhere to be found. As the dawn broke, Suntax, leader of the family, revealed himself and took charge of the proceedings. He had prepared to give a cautionary speech and convince the family that vengeance was not the answer. However, the sight of Toadette's corpse changed his mind.

"An eye for an eye, boys. They killed two of ours, we kill two of theirs. Let's get to work."

Suntax, the Godfather, has revealed himself.

Toadette, the Janitor, has been murdered by a Luciano.

She left a last will:

Spoiler : Toadette's Last Will :

I think one advantage I’ve actually had this game is being so busy and having to read when the chat is slow and not during crunch time, I am reading this at my own pace versus blowing past important tidbits that spammers are throwing out in a short amount of time without thinking.

Everyone blew past this, but this is super important. Pay attention.

Yuki is FBI agent, and ThePaladin is team scum. Pay attention.

Don't Worry Yuki; We know you're FBI Agent.

OMG I USED WE AGAIN

100% certain Yuki is FBI agent.

DANKESCHÖN!

/NOW WE GOT A PROBLEM.

German “Thank you” dropped by ThePaladin

Maybe i should speak russian, since he can speak dutch so freely >_>

Yuki’s response. Keep reading.

Hey Yuki, why do you think thats dutch?

This is where it starts to fall apart. Keep reading, pay attention.

I use google translate, it's said: dutch, i have no idea what's that language

This is a very weird response from Yuki to try to wiggle his way out of what ThePaladin considers a slip. But why does ThePaladin think it’s a slip?

Idea: Let's Lynch Yuki for being the FBI Agent since we don't have much time left for the whole
DW v. SEN v. ORBZ v. SUNTAX

Once again, he’s convinced Yuki is FBI agent. Instead of “scum”, it’s very specific.

DOES IT NOW?

If this doesn’t scream “GOTCHA!!”, I don’t know what does. Now, why does ThePaladin consider this a “gotcha!” and a slip?

Sorry for finding the FBI Agent as superior threat to luciano.
We have a debacle where 1 out of 4 ppl could be lying and of which the Luciano is.
Versus reading Yuki.
I would go with read on yuki anyday.

Again, he stresses FBI agent, as if he knows what specific scum Yuki is. Very specific 1 scum of possible 4.

If you used google translate why did you say it was dutch?
IM CURIOUS.

Another “GOTCHA!” moment, thinking Yuki slipped. Nothing up to this point indicates a slip in any way. He’s asking questions and HINTING at something. Keep reading.

I use babylon website, i forgot it's a scammed website

Again, awkward response by Yuki. What is he trying to justify here? German and Dutch are very similar to someone who doesn’t know them (me). If I said “this guy loves speaking dutch” and he said “WHY DO YOU THINK ITS DUTCH HMMMMMM” I’d say “because it looks dutch?”

So WHY does ThePaladin consider this a gotcha moment?

You said google translate eariler.
YOU ARE CONTRADICTING AND BACKPEDDLING
tell me what website surely its in your history, if so.

“I GOTCHA I GOTCHA PROVE THAT I DON’T GOTCHA”

Hey this is actually a lead, buddy.

This is in response to “stop talking about this it’s dumb”

HOW IS IT A LEAD AND NOT A HYPOTHETICAL!!! IT’S A LEAD according to ThePaladin, implying HE KNOWS SOMETHING about this “SLIP”

ITS A SERIOUS FING LEAD.

Do you want me to explain my lead today or tomorrow on yuki?

It's a legitimant lead. I am willing to explain it if you guys want to get ANOTHER train started.

3 more instances stressing a lead. Not a hypothetical, a lead.

It''s not for a policy reason.
Yuki made a hard scumslip but Apparent I'm only one who caught it cause i was trying to get yuki to do it all day.

Okay. This is where the flags should have been raised for everyone.
1 – It’s a HARD, say that again, a HARD scumslip, meaning evidence, not speculation, and
2 – ThePaladin has been trying to get Yuki to slip this way ALL DAY. ALL OF DAY 2. ALL DAY.

Why would he do that? Try to get Yuki to slip like this

Here’s the post that seals the deal:

PALADINS REASONING

Yuki called my post dutch and even claims she used a translator.
I have proven that the translator she said she uses makes it show up as german.
This expression exists solely in german.
She even backpeddled when accused

HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE TO POSTULATE A THEORY.
What if in the night chat someguy was using a different language to speak perhaps as troll or perhaps as to hide identity, or otherwise.
Now consider if that language was dutch.
Why would yuki call a solely german expression dutch if any translator would recognize it as german.

THIS IS A SERIOUS SCUMSLIP.
Wow this actually worked for once.
I tried in koopapolitiks too.

Theory: hypothetically someone was using another language in night chat to troll Yuki. Specifics: the language was dutch.

Someone with knowledge of said night chat was trying to get Yuki to slip all day. Why else would ThePaladin be trying to get Yuki to slip in this specific way all day?

Why else would he consider this a HARD scum slip if it’s a theory?

Why else would Yuki act so weird about it?

ThePaladin, I thank you for giving us the game. Yuki is FBI agent, ThePaladin is team scum that shares a night chat wit him.

This fits with Yuki playing a game where he has spent about 50 manipulative posts trying to get everyone to understand that town=bad guys and scum(mafia) = good guys, to try to avoid future slips regarding his role.

This also fits with ThePaladin being scum by voting people for bad reasons – and then tunneling on Yuki for apparently a good reason – which incriminates himself.

-vote Yukitaka Oni

I rest my case.

By the way, since I'm dead, I was a janitor.

Living Players: Calix Firebringer RLVG Yukitaka Oni Orpz Suntax ThePaladin TheDarkestLight Sen deathworlds Dead/Incarcerated Players: MattZed - Body Double Spruance - Caporegime DarknessB - Drug Dealer Toadette - Janitor

Day 3 Ends at 4:00 PM PST January 31st.
6 votes to hammer.

[ThePaladin]

Posted Faster Than MattZed. LOL

Well Drunkadin Explained My Reasoning well albeit derply.
Let's end the fbi here shall we?

-vote Yukitaka Oni

[ThePaladin]

In explanation to why I think Yuki is fbi agent
and not Luciano/generic scum.

He's been purposely misleading people about the fbi by calling the fbi town
He's also been helping the luciano during day by giving them a list of who to kill in his the gf/consig is in this list. I doubt a luciano would post something to help luciano's in day rather than their night chat.

[Sen]

-vote deathworlds

ezpz.

[MattZed]

Posted Faster Than MattZed. LOL

Well Drunkadin Explained My Reasoning well albeit derply.
Let's end the fbi here shall we?

-vote Yukitaka Oni

Guys, you don't need to sneak posts in between the time I unlock the thread and when I make the day start post.

[Calix]

Posted Faster Than MattZed. LOL

Well Drunkadin Explained My Reasoning well albeit derply.
Let's end the fbi here shall we?

-vote Yukitaka Oni

lol did you even read the Last Will?

Toadette just made a nice, convincing case for why you are scum yourself.

[deathworlds]

-vote Sen

I know it doesn't really help my case, but I targeted toadette last night...

She did show up as a janitor.

[Calix]

-vote Sen

I know it doesn't really help my case, but I targeted toadette last night...

She did show up as a janitor.

FOOLS

CUT THE PISSING CONTEST

WE HAVE PALADIN AND YUKI RIGHT HERE

READ TOADETTE'S LAST WILL

EVEN SHE SUSPECTED YUKI

FUCKING TOADETTE

-vote Yukitaka Oni

[deathworlds]

So suntax is confirmed mayor.

Didn't Sen target Suntax?

Or was it Orpz?

Idk either way they lied and need to be hanged.

[Calix]

Also the Consort roleblock feedback is fucking hilarious. So blunt.

Or it would have been, had it not been for the fact that FUCKBRINGER THOUGHT ROLEBLOCKING ME WAS FUCKING A.

FUCKING RETARD.

[Calix]

So suntax is confirmed mayor.

Didn't Sen target Suntax?

Or was it Orpz?

Idk either way they lied and need to be hanged.

Yeah and we need to kill FBI Agent first BEFORE THEY CAN RECRUIT.

You two can deck it out today. We need to be productive. Meanwhile, I'm going to lynch the bigger threat.

[deathworlds]

FOOLS

CUT THE PISSING CONTEST

WE HAVE PALADIN AND YUKI RIGHT HERE

READ TOADETTE'S LAST WILL

EVEN SHE SUSPECTED YUKI

FUCKING TOADETTE

-vote Yukitaka Oni

So we're going off of a read and now a contridiction in claims?

Hmkay.

Are we not going to say anything about drunkbringer?

[ThePaladin]

The post b4 and this one is in response to Toadette LW

Also it's a lead because he made a statement saying whatever translator he used said it was dutch.
If he translated it; it would be detected as german.
If he said it looked dutch,swedish,danish,norwegian,etc. I would consider that plausible since they are all germanic languages.
However for him to say a claim that was explicitly false then when caught in a contradiction he backpeddles to another translator which I don't know how you could make that expression be detected as any other language unless derply.
That expression is not used in any other european languages to my knowledge.
He failed to give a website and i doubt he's incognito or something; it should be in his history.

In addition to this lead.

I believe his purposely misleading of town by flipping town to mean fbi and scum to mean town in his statements, clearly shows his allignment and his attempts to mess up people speaking about others.
He also has only voted at the very end of the day and hasn't poked anyone.

[RLVG]

Good job Toadette!

-vote Yukitaka Oni

Back the previous day, I quickhammered like 30min early so the Janitor couldn't have a pinned a target by around the 10min remaining mark.
We still don't know what Scum have picked as their favorable roles.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Suntax, comrade v)o.o)^!!! My godfather!!! I know I could trust you!!!

[Calix]

The post b4 and this one is in response to Toadette LW

Also it's a lead because he made a statement saying whatever translator he used said it was dutch.
If he translated it; it would be detected as german.
If he said it looked dutch,swedish,danish,norwegian,etc. I would consider that plausible since they are all germanic languages.
However for him to say a claim that was explicitly false then when caught in a contradiction he backpeddles to another translator which I don't know how you could make that expression be detected as any other language unless derply.
That expression is not used in any other european languages to my knowledge.
He failed to give a website and i doubt he's incognito or something; it should be in his history.

In addition to this lead.

I believe his purposely misleading of town by flipping town to mean fbi and scum to mean town in his statements, clearly shows his allignment and his attempts to mess up people speaking about others.
He also has only voted at the very end of the day and hasn't poked anyone.

No, idiot.

We don't care about that.

We care about your ridiculous level of confidence in that read, saying it was a HARD SCUM SLIP when it blatantly isn't.

You are scum trying to lynch your rival scum, thus outing yourself by relying on tricking the rival scum WITH YOUR NIGHT CHAT.

Why didn't you just kill Yuki last night? Like god damn, you're so obvious.

[ThePaladin]

Yeah and we need to kill FBI Agent first BEFORE THEY CAN RECRUIT.

You two can deck it out today. We need to be productive. Meanwhile, I'm going to lynch the bigger threat.

Yuki is the fbi agent I believe.... Fbi agent can recruit tonight...
Hence, GET YUKI

So we're going off of a read and now a contridiction in claims?

Hmkay.

Are we not going to say anything about drunkbringer?

Drunkbringer's lead was wrong. Calix just claimed roleblocked, we know he's consort. We have no idea about affiliation besides he's not a fbi/mole

[Sen]

Just read the last will. I'm ok with doing one today and the other the day after. He can't win now even if he's not roleblocked.

-vote Yukitaka Oni

And I'm gonna be playing tonight, starting in some half hour. Probably be out tomorrow. Not that it matters since this is pretty much over.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Guys, you don't need to sneak posts in between the time I unlock the thread and when I make the day start post.

I would like to warm Paladin that he's skyping with me and I made no feedback to him so this is a warming that he shouldn't violate rule communication outside the game

[deathworlds]

I want a hard claim out of yuki before we vote.

[Calix]

Yuki is the fbi agent I believe.... Fbi agent can recruit tonight...
Hence, GET YUKI




Drunkbringer's lead was wrong. Calix just claimed roleblocked, we know he's consort. We have no idea about affiliation besides he's not a fbi/mole

Dude, we are voting for Yuki.

And then we are voting for you because you bussed your scum-ally-frenemy too hard.

You outed yourself as scum by KNOWING from such weak evidence that Yuki was FBI.

[RLVG]

If he said it looked dutch,swedish,danish,norwegian,etc. I would consider that plausible since they are all germanic languages.

Scandinavian is NOT similar to Germanic languages.

What the fuck is wrong with you :

• German / Was zum Teufel ist los mit dir
• Norwegian / Hva faen er galt med deg
• Danish / Hvad fanden er der galt med dig
• Sweedish / Vad fan är det för fel med dig

If you're making a case, get the languages right lol. It's not similar at all.
(This isn't a personal attack, just an illustration and I'm not really creative with lessons)

I would like to warm Paladin that he's skyping with me and I made no feedback to him so this is a warming that he shouldn't violate rule communication outside the game

Dafuq

[Yukitaka Oni]

Lmao, mama read me as FBI lel.

[ThePaladin]

No, idiot.

We don't care about that.

We care about your ridiculous level of confidence in that read, saying it was a HARD SCUM SLIP when it blatantly isn't.

You are scum trying to lynch your rival scum, thus outing yourself by relying on tricking the rival scum WITH YOUR NIGHT CHAT.

Why didn't you just kill Yuki last night? Like god damn, you're so obvious.

If I spoke french only expression
Someone calls it czech.
I ask why.
He says google translate told me so.
I demonstrate how it says french, thereby showing contradiction.
He backpeddles. I am going to call him out as scum, if the person posts have been misleading people and purposely confusing by going town=fbi; I'm going to call him more specifically fbi.

If I spoke french only expression
Someone calls it czech.
I ask why.
He says it looks czech/european.
I'll say okay and move on.

[Calix]

I would like to warm Paladin that he's skyping with me and I made no feedback to him so this is a warming that he shouldn't violate rule communication outside the game

God! Not another example of you being involved in OGC again.

Wasn't last time where you learnt your lesson?

[Yukitaka Oni]

I want a hard claim out of yuki before we vote.

Non TRP. Can't do no shet. Only can bait myself for traitor or FBI to kill/recruit me

[ThePaladin]

Scandinavian is NOT similar to Germanic languages.

What the fuck is wrong with you :

• German / Was zum Teufel ist los mit dir
• Norwegian / Hva faen er galt med deg
• Danish / Hvad fanden er der galt med dig
• Sweedish / Vad fan är det för fel med dig

If you're making a case, get the languages right lol. It's not similar at all.
(This isn't a personal attack, just an illustration and I'm not really creative with lessons)



Dafuq

Thanks resident Norwegian. I'm saying same language group. The syllables sound similar,
Which sounds closer to you german and swedish or french and german.

[Yukitaka Oni]

God! Not another example of you being involved in OGC again.

Wasn't last time where you learnt your lesson?

Paladin skype you Calix?

[Calix]

If I spoke french only expression
Someone calls it czech.
I ask why.
He says google translate told me so.
I demonstrate how it says french, thereby showing contradiction.
He backpeddles. I am going to call him out as scum, if the person posts have been misleading people and purposely confusing by going town=fbi; I'm going to call him more specifically fbi.

If I spoke french only expression
Someone calls it czech.
I ask why.
He says it looks czech/european.
I'll say okay and move on.

YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS BASED AROUND THE SCUM CHAT.

BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.

THIS DISCUSSION IS OVER.

PALADIN AND YUKI FOR SCUM.

THE END.

[Suntax]

hello comrades glorious godfather has arrived and as it seems my votes count as 3 votes so we have that.
and i agree on toadettes absolutely great last will.

[ThePaladin]

God! Not another example of you being involved in OGC again.

Wasn't last time where you learnt your lesson?

I told yuki. That I don't particularly like him over skype?
I don't see how thats OGC? am i not allowed to even speak with other players in same game?

[Yukitaka Oni]

hello comrades glorious godfather has arrived and as it seems my votes count as 3 votes so we have that.
and i agree on toadettes absolutely great last will.

v)o.o)^ lmao wut?

[RLVG]

The syllables sound similar

Nope.
German likes to Schrewz and Schizw and Wholfz and Heufz.
(dat stereotype)

[MattZed]

If there is a concern that someone broke a game or forum rule, please PM it to me instead of discussing it publicly.

[ThePaladin]

YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS BASED AROUND THE SCUM CHAT.

BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.

THIS DISCUSSION IS OVER.

PALADIN AND YUKI FOR SCUM.

THE END.

Is it based around scum chat? DEFINENTLY.
Is it a theory? YES
Did I do the same think in koopapolitics where I was town? YES
Am I saying because of it that I'm willing to bet my life in game on it?NO

[Yukitaka Oni]

hello comrades glorious godfather has arrived and as it seems my votes count as 3 votes so we have that.
and i agree on toadettes absolutely great last will.

You shouldn't reveal like this v(o.o(< because day 3 Paladin will spam vote on me v(o.o(<

[Calix]

hello comrades glorious godfather has arrived and as it seems my votes count as 3 votes so we have that.
and i agree on toadettes absolutely great last will.

Well it's a good thing that your ally is considerably less scummy than you were >.>

So you agree that Paladin/ Yuki are opposing scum.

Now there's the issue of the last scum. We still don't know who they are.

[Calix]

Is it based around scum chat? DEFINENTLY.
Is it a theory? YES
Did I do the same think in koopapolitics where I was town? YES
Am I saying because of it that I'm willing to bet my life in game on it?NO

Bitch please, it's based around scum chat BECAUSE ONLY SCUM HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

Why else would anyone come up with such a dumb theory UNLESS THEY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN NIGHT CHAT?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Is it based around scum chat? DEFINENTLY.
Is it a theory? YES
Did I do the same think in koopapolitics where I was town? YES
Am I saying because of it that I'm willing to bet my life in game on it?NO

Then why I bet my life to claim mafioso and you don't have a gut to claim your?

[RLVG]

Nope.
German likes to Schrewz and Schizw and Wholfz and Heufz.
(dat stereotype)

An example to listen to is that Hitler In The Bunker video, either the real source or the parodies that's run over the entire internet.
That should give you an idea about German.

Then comes NRK, our norwegian broadcast TV channel which has just about anything weird.

Is it based around scum chat? DEFINENTLY.
Is it a theory? YES
Did I do the same think in koopapolitics where I was town? YES
Am I saying because of it that I'm willing to bet my life in game on it?NO

I like you man, but this is a serious slip coming from you lol.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Well it's a good thing that your ally is considerably less scummy than you were >.>

So you agree that Paladin/ Yuki are opposing scum.

Now there's the issue of the last scum. We still don't know who they are.

Who do you think the other scum is? If your logic is correct that me and paladin is a scum v)o.o)>?

[RLVG]

I think this is the first time Scum have attacked another Scum by scumslipping hard by forcing another to scumslip by scumslipping a forced scumslip that only scum can scumslip with.

YO DAWG I HEARD YOU LIKE SCUMSLIPS

[ThePaladin]

Bitch please, it's based around scum chat BECAUSE ONLY SCUM HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

Why else would anyone come up with such a dumb theory UNLESS THEY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN NIGHT CHAT?

THEN WHY DID I TYPE DANKESCHON IN KOOPAPOLITICS?

[ThePaladin]

Then why I bet my life to claim mafioso and you don't have a gut to claim your?

Yuki do not claim we still have a unknown consig out there ffs. HI FBI

[Yukitaka Oni]

Can't believe I rather trust DarknessB last will more than anyone else (except Suntax and TheDarkestLight) he was correct about giving too much power role make everyone become lazy ass and the shitizen role (mafioso) become a useless in the eye of town(Mafia) v)o.o)>

[Calix]

Who do you think the other scum is? If your logic is correct that me and paladin is a scum v)o.o)>?

It depends on what role Paladin is, seeing as he is the most likely to flip Luciano.

I imagine that the last scum is in Sen/ deathworlds/ Orpz seeing as Suntax is very clearly NOT Tailor.