S-FM 176: Mafia Wars

[Calix]

I skimmed his stuff, and try to read between the lines of what he said. That was my view of what he said if I could sum it in a short summary.

If you want to call me scummy for misrep *meeh* go ahead.

Dude, I get that you don't like to waffle on, but saying "Suntax thinks Sen is town" without explaining your thought processes is unhelpful and leads to this dumb prompting of things you should already be doing.

[ThePaladin]

Reads List:

{RLVG}
{Orpz}
{Sen}
{Everyone Else}
{ThePaladin}
{Calix}

So is this list town to scum(top to bottom)
or scum to town(top to bottom?

[Firebringer]

Suntax has still yet to give a read on me besides he doesn't like me shitposting.
I would like a "Town" or "Scum" or where you are at. You said you would find it suspicious if I found RLVG to be really town. So you think I am buddying with RLVG? Since you voted him?

[Firebringer]

So is this list town to scum(top to bottom)
or scum to town(top to bottom?

Town to Scum.
You are scummy buddy.

[Suntax]

yes i do firebringer as the first 2 pages were shitposts from you and on the subject of sen i see him less scummy then RLVG but more scummy then firebringer atm but as hardly anyone has posted that is prone to change

[Firebringer]

Dude, I get that you don't like to waffle on, but saying "Suntax thinks Sen is town" without explaining your thought processes is unhelpful and leads to this dumb prompting of things you should already be doing.

And I am willing to answer your questions.
I don't always post all my thoughts cause I don't feel like its necessary.

[Firebringer]

yes i do firebringer as the first 2 pages were shitposts from you and on the subject of sen i see him less scummy then RLVG but more scummy then firebringer atm but as hardly anyone has posted that is prone to change

Theres now 5 pages in this game. You said majority of my posts are shit posts.
You now saying my recent posts aren't?

First 2 pages are RVS.

So you see all three of us scummy? Correct? But it goes in this order:
RVLG > Sen > Firebringer

[ThePaladin]

Town to Scum.
You are scummy buddy.

Mind me asking why you're thinking that?
Is it just cause, I agreed with calix for thinking that Suntax should be voted since I didn't see him posting while browsing the thread?

[Suntax]

i said that i have no proper reasoned opinion on you at this moment and if you actually did find RLVG towny then i would like a backed up reason or else it is plain buddying and as such very scummy.

also i am not going to ISO every shit post because yoy had more into the early game and some into the present game such as your list was un reasoned and felt lie a shit post and the post

RLVG is so towny right now

i feel are both shit posts

[Firebringer]

Mind me asking why you're thinking that?
Is it just cause, I agreed with calix for thinking that Suntax should be voted since I didn't see him posting while browsing the thread?

Opening has me thinking you are scum.

[ThePaladin]

Opening has me thinking you are scum.

Because I think RLVG is trying to reverse reverse psychology to fake town?

On a side-note, I hope spruance browses soon seeing how well he did last game.

[Calix]

yes i do firebringer as the first 2 pages were shitposts from you and on the subject of sen i see him less scummy then RLVG but more scummy then firebringer atm but as hardly anyone has posted that is prone to change

Do you see any of them as possible town though?

Because in this setup, town has the overwhelming majority at the moment. We need to be town-clearing as many players as we can.

That means town need to be actively helping the town by scumhunting and trying to clear town. Both need to be backed up with clear thought processes and reasoning behind your decisions.

Lurking is an even worse strategy than it normally is. Protectives can block FBI Agent from recruiting moles, so that should not be a worry. If we're really stumped, the Drug Dealer can attempt to use their 'no feedback' ability on someone they suspect will be recruited.

PSA: If you are Drug Dealer, do not use this ability willy-nilly. It should only be used if a) a Protective is dead and b) the FBI Agent can actually recruit.

[Firebringer]

i said that i have no proper reasoned opinion on you at this moment and if you actually did find RLVG towny then i would like a backed up reason or else it is plain buddying and as such very scummy.

also i am not going to ISO every shit post because yoy had more into the early game and some into the present game such as your list was un reasoned and felt lie a shit post and the post i feel are both shit posts

Buddying implies that he is town. Or are you saying that he is teammate?
When you say buddying, what are you meaning?

I am serious with my read on RLVG. So tell me you think RLVG and I are scum together or what?

[Firebringer]

Do you see any of them as possible town though?

Because in this setup, town has the overwhelming majority at the moment. We need to be town-clearing as many players as we can.

That means town need to be actively helping the town by scumhunting and trying to clear town. Both need to be backed up with clear thought processes and reasoning behind your decisions.

Lurking is an even worse strategy than it normally is. Protectives can block FBI Agent from recruiting moles, so that should not be a worry. If we're really stumped, the Drug Dealer can attempt to use their 'no feedback' ability on someone they suspect will be recruited.

PSA: If you are Drug Dealer, do not use this ability willy-nilly. It should only be used if a) a Protective is dead and b) the FBI Agent can actually recruit.

Calix this is why I don't get Suntax, he seems to have several scum reads than possible or at least thinks everyone active is being scummy of some sort.

I don't know, has me thinking he is likely town though.

[Firebringer]

Because I think RLVG is trying to reverse reverse psychology to fake town?

On a side-note, I hope spruance browses soon seeing how well he did last game.

I think your thinking about it too much.
Obvious plays are obvious.

[Calix]

Calix this is why I don't get Suntax, he seems to have several scum reads than possible or at least thinks everyone active is being scummy of some sort.

I don't know, has me thinking he is likely town though.

I can read it either way. Noob town is possible, but I think if you prompt him some more while he's around, we can either try and clear him for now and move onto the next suspect or move in for a possible lynch.

I like how nobody has given a read on me despite my activity levels. You say I am the scummiest and that's about it so far. Interesting.

[ThePaladin]

I think your thinking about it too much.
Obvious plays are obvious.

And Psycholical manipulation plays are not obvious.
I can do it too!

[Firebringer]

I am heading out now, hopefully this game stays active.
Going to go drinking. Cya later, might seem drunk post or something.

[Sen]

MFW people "read" me at the start of d1:

PSA: If you are Drug Dealer, do not use this ability willy-nilly. It should only be used if a) a Protective is dead and b) the FBI Agent can actually recruit.

Ah, yes. If for some twisted reason the mod made you a Town Janitor, Tailor, or Drug Dealer, don't go full retard with it.

[Suntax]

Buddying implies that he is town. Or are you saying that he is teammate?
When you say buddying, what are you meaning?

I am serious with my read on RLVG. So tell me you think RLVG and I are scum together or what?

teammate and yes if you think RLVG is town then its scummy unless your next post is about why you think RLVG is scum then its obvios buddying and implies that your scum buddies.

at this moment i feel RLVG IS A DEFINITE scum but Sen and FB ae just acting scummy at this moment but Sen is scummy then FB atm

[ThePaladin]

I am heading out now, hopefully this game stays active.
Going to go drinking. Cya later, might seem drunk post or something.

So Firebringer leaves when he's being assulted by multiple people on his read of RLVG as town
and gives no specific reason for why me and Calix are scummy to him.....

Suntax spoke so I'm unpressuring him with vote

-vote RLVG

[Calix]

MFW people "read" me at the start of d1:



Ah, yes. If for some twisted reason the mod made you a Town Janitor, Tailor, or Drug Dealer, don't go full retard with it.

Excuse me, I feel you are being too vague with this instruction. Allow me to clarify.

For the love of God, do not use your ability as Janitor or Tailor. You are a named Citizen.

There is already a high enough chance that Janitor claims are going to be lynched if anyone was cleaned. Don't shoot yourself in the foot.

[Calix]

teammate and yes if you think RLVG is town then its scummy unless your next post is about why you think RLVG is scum then its obvios buddying and implies that your scum buddies.

at this moment i feel RLVG IS A DEFINITE scum but Sen and FB ae just acting scummy at this moment but Sen is scummy then FB atm

You think RLVG is 100% scum, absolutely no chance of him being town? Why can't he be town?

[ThePaladin]

Excuse me, I feel you are being too vague with this instruction. Allow me to clarify.

For the love of God, do not use your ability as Janitor or Tailor. You are a named Citizen.

There is already a high enough chance that Janitor claims are going to be lynched if anyone was cleaned. Don't shoot yourself in the foot.

Is there some extremely next level meta where those roles should ever use their ability?

[Sen]

Yeah, what Calix said.

@Sheepmaster: Drug Dealer can prevent the FBi from converting. Janitor & Tailor are full scum roles, and anyone using them will be treated as such.

[RLVG]

Because I think RLVG is trying to reverse reverse psychology to fake town?

I know you know that I know that you know that we know that they know that I'm scummy which makes me towny which makes me neutral which makes me confirmed Citizen in this game for no reason while you accept the reason as invalid but true.

I am serious with my read on RLVG. So tell me you think RLVG and I are scum together or what?

I can confirm that Firebringer is an architect buddy of mine and we share a night chat together. /S

teammate and yes if you think RLVG is town then its scummy unless your next post is about why you think RLVG is scum then its obvios buddying and implies that your scum buddies.

at this moment i feel RLVG IS A DEFINITE scum but Sen and FB ae just acting scummy at this moment but Sen is scummy then FB atm

Suntax is a shitty FBI.

[ThePaladin]

Is there some extremely next level meta where those roles should ever use their ability?

Like to confirm themselves or to prevent a town whose lw is likely to mislead town such as what I'm expecting from Spruance after last game, or to severely mess with the scum if they chose investigative roles

[Calix]

Is there some extremely next level meta where those roles should ever use their ability?

Yes, but unless you are an elite-tier player (read: nobody is so don't try using your abilities, you fucks) then you should avoid using it as part of your WIFOM9000 plan.

It is almost certainly going to lead to a rope wrapped around your neck.

[ThePaladin]

Yeah, what Calix said.

@Sheepmaster: Drug Dealer can prevent the FBi from converting. Janitor & Tailor are full scum roles, and anyone using them will be treated as such.

Am I still sheepmaster?

[Calix]

Like to confirm themselves or to prevent a town whose lw is likely to mislead town such as what I'm expecting from Spruance after last game, or to severely mess with the scum if they chose investigative roles

Confirming themselves should not be the issue. Scum can be any role that town can.

Janitors and Tailors need to avoid being read as scum. AKA, THEY SHOULD ACT LIKE TOWN AND TRY TO TAKE THE BULLET FOR THE IMPORTANT TPRS. HINT HINT HINT

Trying to fuck with the scum is also going to fuck with town even more.

[Sen]

-unvote

Townie points floating your way.

[ThePaladin]

Confirming themselves should not be the issue. Scum can be any role that town can.

Janitors and Tailors need to avoid being read as scum. AKA, THEY SHOULD ACT LIKE TOWN AND TRY TO TAKE THE BULLET FOR THE IMPORTANT TPRS. HINT HINT HINT

Trying to fuck with the scum is also going to fuck with town even more.

Question? Why did you just say that the Janitors and Tailors need to avoid being read as scum? and should "act like town"?

That would seem to insinuate you are assuming that there is a janitor and tailor that aren't town, but we have no clue why idea the Lucianos or however you spell it (sorry italians).

Scum Slip Much?

[RLVG]

Based on shit.



Scummy :

ThePaladin
Suntax
Orpz



Neutral :

Calix
Firebringer
Toadette



Good Guy :

Sen

[RLVG]

-vote ThePaladin

[ThePaladin]

Based on shit.



Scummy :

ThePaladin
Suntax
Orpz



Neutral :

Calix
Firebringer
Toadette



Good Guy :

Sen

So me an Suntax are scummy to you cause we voted you on reverse reverse psychology.
Why Orbz is scummy?
You forgot deathworlds he has you voted even....

[Sen]

RLVG thinks I'm cool. I think Calix is cool. The Illuminati is evolving.
Also, -dayshoot ThePaladin and Suntax.

[Calix]

Question? Why did you just say that the Janitors and Tailors need to avoid being read as scum? and should "act like town"?

That would seem to insinuate you are assuming that there is a janitor and tailor that aren't town, but we have no clue why idea the Lucianos or however you spell it (sorry italians).

Scum Slip Much?

How is it a scum slip when I am telling town with shitty, negative-utility roles to make it obvious that they are town?

I mean that they shouldn't lurk or try any complicated gambits because their role claim is not going to save them if enough people pile on the votes.

Basically, don't get scumread if your role is Janitor or Tailor because your job is to die at night.

I'm not going to go into pages about what scum picked, only that there is no way that the scum would pick two deceptive roles.

[RLVG]

So me an Suntax are scummy to you cause we voted you on reverse reverse psychology.
Why Orbz is scummy?
You forgot deathworlds he has you voted even....

Deathworlds is a legit null.
Also, the value of your posts as well as certain wordings. Y'know, triggers a scummy viewpoint.

I'm not going to straw tho.

[RLVG]

About Orpz, he has claimed TPR immediately but didn't claim what role and was scum.
Forgot what game.

[ThePaladin]

How is it a scum slip when I am telling town with shitty, negative-utility roles to make it obvious that they are town?

I mean that they shouldn't lurk or try any complicated gambits because their role claim is not going to save them if enough people pile on the votes.

Basically, don't get scumread if your role is Janitor or Tailor because your job is to die at night.

I'm not going to go into pages about what scum picked, only that there is no way that the scum would pick two deceptive roles.

I'm saying your use of the word "act"
In order to act one must not be whatever they are acting, I believe.Sorry If I don't understand english too well. Do you see where I'm going with this? The key part is that word in your sentence.

PHOENIX WRIGHT ACE ATTORNEY IS HERE

[ThePaladin]

Deathworlds is a legit null.
Also, the value of your posts as well as certain wordings. Y'know, triggers a scummy viewpoint.

I'm not going to straw tho.

What does Straw mean?
Does that mean like look to deeply into wording?

[RLVG]

What does Straw mean?
Does that mean like look to deeply into wording?

Calix can gain some towncred by explaining it to you.

#scotsman

[Calix]

I'm saying your use of the word "act"
In order to act one must not be whatever they are acting, I believe.Sorry If I don't understand english too well. Do you see where I'm going with this? The key part is that word in your sentence.

PHOENIX WRIGHT ACE ATTORNEY IS HERE

You haven't heard of the effects of typecasting then?

Yes, "act" like town as opposed to "acting" like scum, because town are capable of doing scummy things despite not being scum. Their actions would class as "acting" like scum, yes?

However, this is clearly a terrible move for Janitors/ Tailors because town cannot afford to waste a mislynch on them. Therefore town with shitty roles should "act" like they are confirmed town whose words mean something (aka, be active) despite not being confirmed town so that they draw the attention of the scum.

This is obvious.

Strawman means that you prop up a simplified version of your opponent's argument to counter, as opposed to countering their actual arguments. RLVG is a master of doing this.

[ThePaladin]

You haven't heard of the effects of typecasting then?

Yes, "act" like town as opposed to "acting" like scum, because town are capable of doing scummy things despite not being scum. Their actions would class as "acting" like scum, yes?

However, this is clearly a terrible move for Janitors/ Tailors because town cannot afford to waste a mislynch on them. Therefore town with shitty roles should "act" like they are confirmed town whose words mean something (aka, be active) despite not being confirmed town so that they draw the attention of the scum.

This is obvious.

Strawman means that you prop up a simplified version of your opponent's argument to counter, as opposed to countering their actual arguments. RLVG is a master of doing this.

Okay I understand that. Thanks. You're a Slightly town read for me right now.

Oh, I know what strawman is I just didn't understand the use of using straw as the verb there, I'm used to hearing it as strawmanned(ing).
Does That also mean by #Scotsman; he meant NoTrueScotsman?

[Calix]

Vote Count Update

ThePaladin (2 [L-5]):
RLVG, Firebringer
RLVG (3 [L-4]):
deathworlds, ThePaladin, Suntax
Suntax (1 [L-6]):
Calix
Firebringer (2 [L-5]):
Toadette, Yukitaka Oni

Let the record show that the moment the votes moved away from Suntax, he disappeared.

On the plus side, we are doing well for the number of trains. Four is plenty. If you are going to vote someone else, please show your working.

@Paladin, yes. RLVG was making a reference to No True Scotsman.

[Sen]

-vote Toadette

Let's make it five.
Be back later.

[ThePaladin]

Vote Count Update

ThePaladin (2 [L-5]):
RLVG, Firebringer
RLVG (3 [L-4]):
deathworlds, ThePaladin, Suntax
Suntax (1 [L-6]):
Calix
Firebringer (2 [L-5]):
Toadette, Yukitaka Oni

Let the record show that the moment the votes moved away from Suntax, he disappeared.

On the plus side, we are doing well for the number of trains. Four is plenty. If you are going to vote someone else, please show your working.

@Paladin, yes. RLVG was making a reference to No True Scotsman.

I might be perfectly liable to vote Spruance considering his plays last game made him seem scummy but was really a dumb town
AKA he's very hard to read.

[RLVG]

I might be perfectly liable to vote Spruance considering his plays last game made him seem scummy but was really a dumb town
AKA he's very hard to read.

"Someone is hard to read so I'm going to use my valuable time and effort to prod them based on another game"

[Calix]

I might be perfectly liable to vote Spruance considering his plays last game made him seem scummy but was really a dumb town
AKA he's very hard to read.

I'd rather not let Suntax slink back into the shadows, seeing as he has conveniently ignored my recent posts directed towards him the moment you unvoted him.

I would consider voting Spruance if Suntax acts like town, however. He has been in several games now and has yet to show any signs that he listens to anyone or even properly reads what happens. I would rather not have him claiming to represent Team Town in a LYLO situation.

But I prefer where I'm sitting at the moment.

[ThePaladin]

"Someone is hard to read so I'm going to use my valuable time and effort to prod them based on another game"

...I meant that he plays like a scum, so I might be perfectly liable to switch vote to him if he does same thing as last game or suddenly becomes Town leader. I wouldn't vote him if he seems mediocre town, or just halfway lurks again.