I must humbly object to extra points for staying until the end

[Aldaris]

I must humbly object to extra points for staying until the end. You get points for staying in a game until it ends whether you die on night 1 or day 10. That's the point. It encourages people to take it slow, think about the game, and interact with chat in the people who have also died. It also helps prevent point inflation because if you can hop from game to game and leave willy nilly and get points.

More importantly, it encourages people to die early, to gamethrow or spam to get lynched or killed quickly or to -suicide on day 3.

[RLVG]

For what, +1 to +3 points?

Seems valid, NK suiciding day 3, lurks until end of game, get reduced amount of points for not winning but it's all paid by the +1/3 points.

[Frog]

The reasoning behind the point bump is this:

It takes too many games to get to 20K. There has been an implementation of extras that require 40k+ points. The old point system almost promoted bank hacking.

Let's say you have 1,000 games, that equates to ~15,000-16,000 points

So even if you play 1,000 games the fair way, you still don't make it to 20k.

[Aldaris]

If people feel it's too hard to get points, then grant more points or reduce the point requirement for the rewards.

I mean heck people, people are incentivized to freaking AFK heart attack on day 3 and they get bonus points for doing so!

[Dark.Revenant]

The bonus points are really piddly for staying in game. Unless the game really, really drags on, it's never going to be more than 3-4. It incentivizes people to not leave as soon as they die and think about the game that they're watching.

People who -suicide for no reason are throwing and can be reported.

AFK people are actually not supposed to get points at all; thanks for reminding me to put that in.

[Helz]

AFK people are actually not supposed to get points at all; thanks for reminding me to put that in.

Hell yeah. The age of afk players has come to an end.


Also the average game length is like 40 mins. So getting 20k points requires around 4500 minutes to get. That's a pretty good chunk of your life for that special hat..

[Apache]

More like 45k...

[Helz]

More like 45k...

Dem zeroes doe

[Frog]

I'll let you know when I make it to 20k... Should be sometime next month.

16,133 Points - 1,015 games played - 40,600 minutes of www.1man1jar.org

[Cryptonic]

Can we increase what is needed for prefer? Maybe extend blacklist at 20k and move prefer to 30k. otherwise, everyone is going to be preferring in a few months lol.

Well, maybe not a problem, because people will prefer the same roles. Who knews.

[louiswill]

Can we increase what is needed for prefer? Maybe extend blacklist at 20k and move prefer to 30k. otherwise, everyone is going to be preferring in a few months lol.

Well, maybe not a problem, because people will prefer the same roles. Who knews.

I have worried the inflation of points a week ago.

Looks like the devalue comes faster than expected.

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[Frog]

Can we increase what is needed for prefer? Maybe extend blacklist at 20k and move prefer to 30k. otherwise, everyone is going to be preferring in a few months lol.

Well, maybe not a problem, because people will prefer the same roles. Who knews.

Only dedicated players who deserve the prefer function will reach 20k points. I would prefer to reach prefer status through legitimate means, but I'm afraid raising the achievement to 30k would incite bank hacking on a massive scale.

[Cryptonic]

Only dedicated players who deserve the prefer function will reach 20k points. I would prefer to reach prefer status through legitimate means, but I'm afraid raising the achievement to 30k would incite bank hacking on a massive scale.

Regardless of having it at 20k or 30k, it would make the same people bank hack. No one who wouldn't bank hack @ 20k points will then think it's ok to bank hack @ 30k points.

I hate the idea of blacklist and prefer, tbh. It ruins the whole role dealing system that Mafia is supposed to have, and the command is what causes everyone to bank hack. At least @ 30k, less people would have it AND bank hacks would be more obvious.

[Frog]

Regardless of having it at 20k or 30k, it would make the same people bank hack. No one who wouldn't bank hack @ 20k points will then think it's ok to bank hack @ 30k points.

I hate the idea of blacklist and prefer, tbh. It ruins the whole role dealing system that Mafia is supposed to have, and the command is what causes everyone to bank hack. At least @ 30k, less people would have it AND bank hacks would be more obvious.

Yes you have a point about the usual suspects.

The reason blacklisting and prefer exists is to be able to get those impossible roles you're still missing. E.g. I'm still missing my coroner win. It's also nice to be on the same team as your buddy.

It's all a little off topic. The point is AFKers who get heart attacks will gain 0 points, regardless of winning - which was the original topic.

[McKinley]

Dudes, we can be a freaking probe now.

That should fix most of your concerns. Happy little probes, everywhere...

Anyways, this isn't a bad idea. If I get killed N1, it's nice to know what while I stick around to watch and do some WIFOM and drive myself crazy on figuring out who was the random vigilante that shot me N2 so I can scream at him is... and get a few points for staying for it, that's cool yo. And, you can't just join a match and leave once you're dead and get points. Gotta stay to the end, so the theory of "mass game throwing" will still be very hard to do, especially since most pubs do sotd now, where there's usually 3 factions in play.

[Aldaris]

If people leave early now that means they don't care about points . If they don't care about points, why will 3-5 more matter to them? What this does do is reward people for dying early.