M-FM XXI Avatar the Last Airbender Gamethread

[Kyoshi]

And I'm all caught up and free for discussion

[Due]

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[Kuruk]

Tho is still at L2..

[Kyoshi]

and with 30 minutes left

-vote Tho

working on that read wall.

[Kyoshi]

Spoiler : Read Wall :

Due- Seems pro-town enough. I expect more things from this player.
Hama- Pushed for plan after evaluation of it returned poor results. Went against own beliefs. Scummy enough.
Huu- Nothing substantial.
Jin Wei- Nothing substantial.
June- Nothing substantial.
Koh- Nothing substantial.
Kuruk- Pro-town enough at the moment.
Kyoshi- My myself and I.
Kyoshi Warrior #3- First glance appeared to be more so pro-town, but now I am unsure. Less scummy than others.
La- Insufficient information.
Lion Turtle- Town enough.
Momo- Appears townish but not sure if useful. I only remember Momo claiming that he was the only one to point out the bad points in the Aang reveal plan. (which was lies I tell you)
Monk Gyatso- Didn't post until day was almost over. Can't get much of a read than speculation on why there was such a delay.
Pathik- Proactive enough to get conversations going, but something left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Sangok- Pro-town and seems to be town for now.
Tho- 3 posts?
Yangchen- Reeks. Look to quotes above (or previous page) for why I think this players is scum.
Wan Shi Tong- Nothing substantial.
Wang Fire- Scummy. Contributed nothing really useful and randomly started a train on me without any grounds.
Wei Jin- Nothing substantial sticks out about this player.

Since I tried this off of memory, I might be missing some things or have incomplete reads. Focused on trying to read all of day before it was over and only quoted some things that stuck out to me.

[Hama]

Looks like an excuse to not go with what you believe?
Essentially you were saying "Even though THO is likely scum and I think players like him should be lynched, I will vote kyoshi." You contradict yourself and your beliefs.


This guy already voted for me before this. Looks like he was trying to side with town by agreeing with Hama.

I am finding you difficult to understand.

I am not sure what exactly you're taking issue with so I will explain the whole situation from start to finish for you in the hope that it answers your queries.

1. Before I went to bed I voted for June.
2. When I woke up I was informed there were 3.5 hrs remaining in Day. June was L-8, you (Kyoshi) were L-3 and Tho was L-4.
3. A no-lynch is a very bad outcome today.
4. The two viable candidates for lynch were Kyoshi and Tho.
5. One of them needed to be lynched in order to prevent Zuko from executing tonight.
6. I weighed the cases for both together with the slightly increased likelihood that a Kyoshi lynch would be successful (Kyoshi was 1 vote ahead) together with my initial reads (remember I had Kyoshi orange, Tho white) together with the opinions of others I respected together with my gut feeling.
7. I found Kyoshi to be the better candidate for lynch.
8. Kyoshi claimed Appa, a role that will hopefully confirmable in coming days.
9. Kyoshi was no longer a good candidate for lynch.
10. Somebody still needs to be lynched.
11. The remaining candidate is Tho.
12. It is unclear what he will flip.
13. I will vote to lynch him because he's the sole remaining candidate and we need to lynch or risk a casualty to Zuko.

I hope this clears up any questions you have.

[Jin Wei]

Just going to apologize for my absence day 1, Already spoken to Roku about it. Personal issues that he was aware of in advance. Will be more active Day 2.

[Monk Gyatso]

Food for thought: Swapping yourself with somebody who you want to die would only give bus feedback to one person, which would be sketchy, especially if you actually get attacked and whoever you swap yourself with dies, then noone would be able to confirm you.

Maybe a better idea would be if someone guards or heals you tonight, and you swap two other players, which would yield two bus feedback and pretty much make you a confirmed Town for tomorrow. At least for tonight.

I hope there aren't any flaws in that plan. I still have to give another read to the setup.

[Hama]

Can somebody tell me when day's going to end? Unless there's any objections I will hammer soon. I want to nap.

Hosts, please use the +-(insert hours) function of Wolfram alpha to specify timezones rather than the abbreviated named time-zones. There are multiple Central Standard Timezones in this world of ours and my Wolfram Alpha is trying to tell me Day 1 ended over 15hrs ago.

[Guru Pathik]

Zuko, the role, has been ironed out a little bit. Plz check setup for some minor tweaks as well as clarification.

[Guru Pathik]

Can somebody tell me when day's going to end? Unless there's any objections I will hammer soon. I want to nap.

Hosts, please use the +-(insert hours) function of Wolfram alpha to specify timezones rather than the abbreviated named time-zones. There are multiple Central Standard Timezones in this world of ours and my Wolfram Alpha is trying to tell me Day 1 ended over 15hrs ago.

This will be done from here on out. Day ends in 15 minutes.

[Due]

Can somebody tell me when day's going to end? Unless there's any objections I will hammer soon. I want to nap.

Hosts, please use the +-(insert hours) function of Wolfram alpha to specify timezones rather than the abbreviated named time-zones. There are multiple Central Standard Timezones in this world of ours and my Wolfram Alpha is trying to tell me Day 1 ended over 15hrs ago.

[Hama]

This will be done from here on out. Day ends in 15 minutes.

Thank you!

@everybody else, if you have any last words to say, you have exactly 5 minutes before I hammer.

[Kyoshi]

I hope this clears up any questions you have.

Its a good read
You spoke volumes for yourself more than I ever could.

I was gold thank you.

Kyoshi: His posts do relate to the game and he is not trolling, however he seems to be skirting around the edges of discussion. His posts make me wary.

Tho: 3 posts which doesn't give much to say, however he did ask for constant access to the Player post links which at least suggested to me that he wants to be reading players and analysing. Whether for good or bad, it's too early to tell, but potentially not a bored Citizen.


"The two options are Tho and Kyoshi. I had Kyoshi down as potential scum but at least he/she posts, however the posts are often filler. I hate allowing Lurkers like Tho to live because it just propagates the idea that scum can lurk and live. However, that one post by Tho where he asked to have constant access to the Player Links was encouraging so I will give him the benefit of the doubt today only. Kyoshi is also one vote ahead and is more likely to reach the votes needed. "


I think you spoke well with your own words about yourself

[Kyoshi]

Food for thought: Swapping yourself with somebody who you want to die would only give bus feedback to one person, which would be sketchy, especially if you actually get attacked and whoever you swap yourself with dies, then noone would be able to confirm you.

Maybe a better idea would be if someone guards or heals you tonight, and you swap two other players, which would yield two bus feedback and pretty much make you a confirmed Town for tomorrow. At least for tonight.

I hope there aren't any flaws in that plan. I still have to give another read to the setup.

Sshh.

[Hama]

-vote Tho

Rest in peace.

[The Godfather]

Tho has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Tho (11 [L-0]): Due, Lion Turtle, Hama, Yangchen, Kuruk, Momo, Wan Shi Tong, June, Wei Jin, Monk Gyatso, Kyoshi
Kyoshi (4 [L-7]): Kyoshi Warrior #3, Pathik, Huu, Wang Fire
Hama (1 [L-10]): Sangok

[Guru Pathik]

Tho thought he was a powerful Water Bender, utilizing his Swamp Bending to manipulate water in a quicker, sharper motion. However, Hama, master blood bender, proved to him how powerful Water Bending can really be.

He was a

Earth Kingdom Citizen.

Night 1 ends at this time: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...3+october+23rd (this link should be correct for everyone)
Please have your night actions in 1 hour before night ends.
Night Chats going live as soon as Fang can fly you there.

[Guru Pathik]

The original Wolframalpha said night 1 would be 48 hours, this was incorrect.
The link has been corrected with the 24 hour timer.

[Guru Pathik]

Unanswered Questions

will they be automatically revealed to each other tonight?
does aangs airbending count for town(iroh)/(preventing) mafia(tui) evolved win condition

No.
What?

Ok well I am here and caught up on reading. Will be posting my reads soon.

@La- I think that plan could really work for information. Does the avatar get a notification that he visited Bumi, Iroh, and Pakku?. Although if Aang visits a non citizen and they claim a rp role and then he converts an actual citizen and he claims the same rp role then it could end up with getting a town killed.

No.

[Guru Pathik]

Day 2

La was killed last night. Having yet to master more than Air Bending, Admiral Zhao and company were too much for a young Aang. The weight of the 100 years war was too much for the shoulders of the 12 year old Avatar to bear, and his quest was put to a stop before it even began. Balance, the Spirits, and the people of the world will have to turn to other heroes to overcome their new situation.

June, the heralded tracker, from the Water Tribe, also found herself matched in wits with Zuko, and unable to prove herself worth his weight in gold.

- Player List -
Due
Hama
Huu
Jin Wei
Koh
Kuruk
Kyoshi
Kyoshi Warrior #3
Lion Turtle
Momo
Monk Gyatso
Pathik
Sangok
Yangchen
Wan Shi Tong
Wang Fire
Wei Jin

- Graveyard -
Tho- the Earth Kingdom Citizen, blood bent day 1 by Hama
June- the Water Tribe Citizen, executed night 1 by Zuko
La- the Avatar, killed night 1 by Admiral Zhao

Day 2 ends at this time: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...ober+26th+2013

17 players remaining means it takes 9 votes to hammer.

[Hama]

I could have sworn the setup previously said Zuko was unable to execute following a lynch. Was that change part of the update referred to here? :

Zuko, the role, has been ironed out a little bit. Plz check setup for some minor tweaks as well as clarification.

[Guru Pathik]

I could have sworn the setup previously said Zuko was unable to execute following a lynch. Was that change part of the update referred to here? :

For clarity on this seemingly random 'buff'. This was intended before the game began.

[Hama]

I checked the order of operations to see if La got even one speaking off before she died. She didn't.

1. Zuko captures
2. King Bumi traps
3. Night chats open
4. Bruiser eliminates
5. Huu transforms (veteran alert)/ Jeong Jeong casts Wall of Fire
6. Malu amazes (beguiler)
7. Aang/Appa airbending (bus swap)
8. Yue enchants/avoids (enchantress lure/repel)
9. Katara freeze/consort roleblock
10. Suki fights
11. Haru/Tyro/pipsqueak guard (bodyguard)
12. All kills
13. Aang reveals his identity/gives new role
14. Jet recruits
15. Bato informs
16. Sokka encourages
17. Katara heals
18. Framer frames
19. The duke watches/Sokka follows
20. Consigliere/Hakoda investigates
21. Master Pakku trains/War Minister Qin arms
22. Blackmailer silences
23. Cabbage is destroyed
24. Cabbage is grown
25. Freedom Fighters disband
26. Win Conditions evolve

[Lion Turtle]

Oh my gosh... I don't even.... All right, well, that screws over any and all chances of evolving win conditions, so I would like to say that allying with the FFs is in our best interest. Zuko is now officially against us unless.. Does Zuko still become the Blue Spirit upon Iroh's death even if Aang is dead? If so, then we could still potentially lock his alignment while eliminating a swing-vote.

Also, my plan of keeping Cits hidden is even more important; there are only 2 water tribe left, and if June wasn't Tui, then it's 50/50 toss-up on the final two. Btw, I was right when I called June jester/town ^·^. Sorry, couldn't help myself xD.

[Guru Pathik]

Oh my gosh... I don't even.... All right, well, that screws over any and all chances of evolving win conditions, so I would like to say that allying with the FFs is in our best interest. Zuko is now officially against us unless.. Does Zuko still become the Blue Spirit upon Iroh's death even if Aang is dead? If so, then we could still potentially lock his alignment while eliminating a swing-vote.

Also, my plan of keeping Cits hidden is even more important; there are only 2 water tribe left, and if June wasn't Tui, then it's 50/50 toss-up on the final two. Btw, I was right when I called June jester/town ^·^. Sorry, couldn't help myself xD.

Indeed.

[Lion Turtle]

On allying with the FFs, I am not suggesting Katara reveal now. Maybe if we confirm Momo as Appa she could, but then a bruiser is still possible and imo not worth the risk. What I AM saying, is that neither of the traitors can be trusted(Iroh is a swing-vote, Zuko is against us until Iroh dies), and therefore we should try and get on the FFs' good sides, since they are our only ally left.

[Hama]

Does anybody else find it bizarre that Zuko chose June to jail and execute? Many of us were convinced June was a scum or jester, and executing her seems to be an inherently pro-town thing to do. Given the only way Zuko could have joined us would have been to jail Aang, it doesn't make sense for Zuko to try and help us and make a good impression. Zuko must have considered June a priority target to intervene ahead of us. Strange. Nevertheless, with Aang's death the Traitors are now irreversibly pitted against us.

[Hama]

Maybe if we confirm Momo as Appa she could

Kyoshi was the one who claimed Appa.

[Lion Turtle]

I believe what he was doing was an attempt at good-will; kill someone believed to be scummy to say that he wanted to ally with us, and essentially tell us he would use his jail for the town.

Zuko, if you want this, remember we can only ally if Iroh dies. Otherwise, you're 1 person against 3 factions that all want you dead.

Derp. Thanks for catching that lol.

[Hama]

I believe what he was doing was an attempt at good-will; kill someone believed to be scummy to say that he wanted to ally with us, and essentially tell us he would use his jail for the town.

I thought the same initially, but then I remembered that the only way Zuko could have joined us would have been to sacrifice Aang. It seems very optimistic for him to have believed he could ever make a friendly impression on us.

[Lion Turtle]

Either way, he shouldn't be dismissed, since I just re-checked the setup and.. KATARA. IF YOU REVEAL, I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN AND KILL YOU. Team Avatar's win condition cannot evolve, meaning the FFs are permanently our enemies, even if their win evolves. So really, we can only ally with Zuko or Iroh, and Iroh can turn on us at any time, so we need to kill Iroh to get Zuko, kill Jet ASAP before he gets Smellerbee, and get rid of the FNs.

Tl;dr: Find and kill Jet is #1 priority, killing FNs is like 1.5, then killing Iroh is last priority.

[Due]

Spoiler : img :

[Due]

Spoiler : img :

-vote Kyoshi Warrior #3

[Hama]

Spoiler : img :

Well this answers the question about whether or not we get feedback if we're blocked, etc, etc. However, the other player who was air-bended last night should not reveal. Kyoshi claimed Appa and we need to confirm this by having him tell us who he air-bended.

[Lion Turtle]

Hama dun ninja'd mah post. But I second his notion, as Aang could have chosen to air bend instead of speak, and kyoshi could just use those to help her claim.

[Hama]

I would be interested to know if Katara's Freeze ability gives the same or different feedback to a Consort's role-block. If the feedbacks are different then providing Due isn't lying (and at the moment there's no reason to believe he is), it sounds like the Fire Nation have a Consort.

[Monk Gyatso]

A Consort makes sense in this setup.

Nothing happened to me last night.

[Wang Fire]

La- the Avatar, killed night 1 by Admiral Zhao

Are you fucking kidding me? How messed up is this story?!

[Monk Gyatso]

Spoiler : img :

7. Aang/Appa airbending (bus swap)
8. Yue enchants/avoids (enchantress lure/repel)
9. Katara freeze/consort roleblock

Which means that you weren't the original roleblock target. (Yes, Sherlockitty strikes again).

I agree with Lion Turtle's priority list.
Even if the FN is dangerous due to their voting power, Jet can mean -1 Town +1 scum every night.
That said, I would plce the FN as 1.1 priority, since pretty much everyone else's victory conditions are locked up at this point:

Aang is dead, so no evovled win condition for us.
Zuko cannot capture Aang.
Same for Iroh.
The FF is locked against the Town.
It's too early for the Benigns to evolve their victory conditions.

The only ones who can still make it easier for them are the FN, so it's in our interest to stop them as soon as possible, or at least destroy their ranks by the time they get Tui (if ever).

[Wang Fire]

I told you before, didn't I? Inaction will lead us to defeat. I can't stand seeing you doing nothing but crying over split mink.. I say we should trial Kyoshi again.

-vote Kyoshi

[Jin Wei]

Nothing happened to me last night, I'm still reading back through day 1 but I agree with pressure voting SOMEONE for more info. I also need to sleep soon so I'll probably post again in a few hours at best.

[Monk Gyatso]

I think the plan should be simple for today.

There should be only ONE Kyoshi! We'll chosse between Kyoshi and Warrior#3 today.

Man, I'm not sure that I'm doing the right thing... but Kyoshi Warrior #3 is a better townie than Kyoshi in my eyes. (...)

-vote Kyoshi

I say we should trial Kyoshi again.

-vote Kyoshi

I think I see a pattern here.

The rest of your posts are spam and that forced reaction to Aang's death.

The one thing I agree with you is that inactivity is bad, so...

-vote Wang Fire

[Hama]

I told you before, didn't I? Inaction will lead us to defeat. I can't stand seeing you doing nothing but crying over split mink.. I say we should trial Kyoshi again.

-vote Kyoshi

Kyoshi will only have his day in court should he fail to identify two air-bended individuals.

I'm looking forward to finding out who the Consort actually tried to block.

[Wei Jin]

I think I see a pattern here.

The rest of your posts are spam and that forced reaction to Aang's death.

The one thing I agree with you is that inactivity is bad, so...

-vote Wang Fire

I see a pattern too. I think Wang Fire is actually the Cabbage Executioner. Although his target isn't always town so it doesn't say Kyoshi is in fact town, but I am pretty sure he is an executioner.

[Lion Turtle]

Wang is disturbing... So focused on Kyoshi, who's claiming one of the easiest roles to prove, and yet he still thinks we should pressure her... lolwut? Why the heck would we waste time pressuring someone who can easily prove themselves, and would be a retard not to?

-vote Wang Fire

In b4 jest/exe.

[Monk Gyatso]

I'm more of the idea that he's playing Cabbage Executioner. Noone is that bad/obvious.

[Wei Jin]

Also any of you guys realize that if Huu is an Earth Kingdom citizen he is now outted and a free recruit to the FF since Aang is gone.

[Lion Turtle]

Also any of you guys realize that if Huu is an Earth Kingdom citizen he is now outted and a free recruit to the FF since Aang is gone.

Yup. But the thing is, FFs care more about the FN than they do us; nothing in their win condition says we have to be dead for them to win, so it makes sense for them to rush the FN and traitors and ignore town. Plus, unless they have Smellerbee, they'll still need to take out the FN and traitors after reverting. So again, it makes sense for them to ignore town and just go for FN/traitors.

Therefore, I say ignore the FFs themselves, and just kill Jet. Then after he's dead, use Huu as a check to see if they have Smelkerbee(this is assuming Huu is not Jet himself who was trying to find Aang to kill for his evolved win. Or FN doing the same)

[Lion Turtle]

These evolved wins are screwing with me. They won't need us dead IF they get Katara. Either way, I like the idea of using Huu as a check more than just lynching him (inb4 jet gets Smellerbee, dies, and never converted Huu.)