Day 2

[FM Cohen]

To you 5 people viewing this thread, feel free to pitch in any moment now, I'm getting lonely.

[FM Mendez]

To you 5 people viewing this thread, feel free to pitch in any moment now, I'm getting lonely.

I'm here to talk to you. Need to sort through all this spam though.

Are we allowed to ignore players that are spamming?

Nothing happened to me last night.

[FM Ferengi]

Are we allowed to ignore players that are spamming?

Please do not block/ignore other FM players via your forum settings.

[FM Cohen]

If you want to know why I delayed my claim, it's because 2 others claimed bussed.
I wouldn't have claimed bussed if only one other person had claimed. That is, in case at a future date the bus driver needed to confirm himself, he could do so through me. However, when two people claimed bussed, I had no idea if I was actually bussed or dealt a drug.
So I opted to release that information into the open for discussion and to help formulate a basic role list.

Hmmm... I can't really argue about your tactic since its something I normally would do all the time. However, the way you presented your information was rather odd.

AhahahAHahahaha

Also I was bussed.

Whats with all the laughing? For someone that was hoping to conceal information, you seemed quite pleased with yourself as you revealed it. Nor did you add anything else to the discussion, adding what you just told us now would probably been wiser if you posted it then.

[FM Cohen]

I think journalist interviews work as follows...

1) Journalist selects a message and a target.
2) Switzerland/Gamemaster pms the target the letter.
3) Target writes a response which is posted.

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Point taken. Consort is on the list

Godfather
Drug Dealer
Consort
Consigliere/Kidnapper (probably Consig imo)
Blackmailer
Graverobber

I see no one followed up on my direction to point you to role cards...
Journalists/Corrupt Journalists don't get to say/ask anything to their interviewee. There is no questions so you can't tell them apart.

Feedback from journalists is:

Interviewed by a journalist/corrupt journalist:

You were selected for an interview. Please submit an article of reasonable length (no pictures or videos allowed) to the host at least 1 hour before the end of night.

[FM Buchwalter]

I was roleblocked last night.

This is all the feedback i have seen so far.

• Godfather
  
  1. killed Bishop
• Blackmailer
  
  1. blackmailed Colmyer (?)
• Escort / Consort
  
  1. blocked Buchwalter
• Bus Driver / Kidnapper
  
  1. bussed Galloway
  2. bussed Lichtmann
• Journalist / Corrupted Journalist
  
  1. interviewd unknown
  2. interviewd unknown
• Witch
  
  1. witched Biggs

Sorry for the short post. I will poke back in later when i have more time.

[FM Cohen]

Got little time to post at beginning but I was also bussed will be back in about 8-10 hours

I see you are not talking in invis text. I'm assuming you were the target of blackmail yesterday.

Can targets that were previously blackmailed, reveal it on future days?

This adds to Bekowsky strange behavior that I would like to question him on today if he was not the target of blackmail.

[FM Mendez]

Please do not block/ignore other FM players via your forum settings.

Understood. Work time be back later.

Before I go, I wanted to bring up attention on something I found from a Parker post yesterday. Not sure how to quote it correctly but it's post #425

Cohen, Metzger, Galloway - I like these three very well. They seem to be moving the investigation along nicely. Cohen is especially helpful while being poisioned.

Metzger? I couldn't find anyone close to the name. Possibly a night account slip?

[FM Ferengi]

Can targets that were previously blackmailed, reveal it on future days?

A target that has been freed of blackmail (starting the night after completing their task), is free to reveal that they were blackmailed.

[FM Cohen]

Metzger? I couldn't find anyone close to the name. Possibly a night account slip?

If it is, I haven't found it yet.
These are the night accounts I've found:

9322 FM Theodor Eicke
9323 FM Vespasian
9324 FM Leonardo
9325 FM Cajetan
9326 FM Alphege
9327 FM Attila
9328 FM-Artaxerxes (came online during day 1)
9329 FM Spartacus
9330 FM Genghis
9331 FM Temujin
9332 FM Origen
9333 FM Lyn
9334 FM Juvenal

9889 FM Walter
9890 FM Skyler
9891 FM Jesse
9892 FM Hank
9893 FM Marie
9894 FM Flynn
9895 FM Saul
9896 FM Gustavo
9897 FM Mike
9898 FM Gale
9899 FM Holly
9900 FM Badger
9901 FM Ted
9902 FM Andrea
9903 FM Krazy 8
9904 FM Combo
9905 FM Hector
9906 FM Tuco
9907 FM Pete
9908 FM Jane

There are about 500 accounts in between those accounts that I haven't checked.

[FM Black]

I can testify that some of those are non-participant / reservist accounts... Myself owning one.

[FM Ferengi]

If it is, I haven't found it yet.
These are the night accounts I've found:

9322 FM Theodor Eicke
9323 FM Vespasian
9324 FM Leonardo
9325 FM Cajetan
9326 FM Alphege
9327 FM Attila
9328 FM-Artaxerxes (came online during day 1)
9329 FM Spartacus
9330 FM Genghis
9331 FM Temujin
9332 FM Origen
9333 FM Lyn
9334 FM Juvenal

9889 FM Walter
9890 FM Skyler
9891 FM Jesse
9892 FM Hank
9893 FM Marie
9894 FM Flynn
9895 FM Saul
9896 FM Gustavo
9897 FM Mike
9898 FM Gale
9899 FM Holly
9900 FM Badger
9901 FM Ted
9902 FM Andrea
9903 FM Krazy 8
9904 FM Combo
9905 FM Hector
9906 FM Tuco
9907 FM Pete
9908 FM Jane

There are about 500 accounts in between those accounts that I haven't checked.

Please don't concern yourselves with unfamiliar anon accounts. These account names were not divulged for a reason. >.>

[FM Cohen]

Host is breaking rule #5 !!! I didn't post anything in green with that list.

[FM Rose]

Did you get healed tonight, cohen?

[FM Rose]

Nvm, you claimed to be drugged.

[FM Cohen]

Although I appreciate having someone to talk to, I'd prefer it if you read thread first. I said in my post that I wasn't.

[FM Rose]

Although I appreciate having someone to talk to, I'd prefer it if you read thread first. I said in my post that I wasn't.

wasn't drugged or wasn't healed?

[FM Phelps]

Yay! Finaly some time! Nothing happened to me last night for starters.

[FM Hopgood]

Hey guys! Checking in again. Nothing happened to me last night. I was roleblocked the first night.

[FM Cohen]

Considering that our last encounter was less than appealing for me Phelps, I'm hoping that you are a replacement.

[FM Phelps]

hard feelings? What a shame!

[FM Cohen]

not really... maybe it's best you see what you posted

[FM Phelps]

oh my!

[FM Phelps]

I knew who was interviewed last night with COM id and role lulz

[FM Black]

Now now, hopeful you'll be on better terms when will talk today and we can start grilling him.

[FM Phelps]

but i am not sure if it's not more like a town play so far.

[FM Black]

For either of you

[FM Phelps]

Depends on the outcomming. Also Colmyr claims roleblocked again as far i can tell.

[FM Cohen]

It's possible with all his posts revolving around women. But I'd wait until tomorrow and hope he isn't acting this way again.

Speaking of, bussing Lichtmann might have been a good way to ensure he wasn't blackmailed again today. It's certainly not a bad idea to make sure blackmailer/drug dealer faking blackmail can't target same person twice in a row. I'll leave the decision who he wants to bus to him, maybe just me mentioning it might be enough to make mafia think twice about targeting same people.

[FM Rose]

Now that i think about it. why would the blackmailer force someone to do something useless like spamming or writing in invis text when he could force them to fake claim and try to misslynch someone?

[FM Hopgood]

Maybe hes trying to get someone who was blackmailed to get lynched?

[FM Cohen]

Not sure what the mafia are up to with the blackmails. They seem obvious and pointless, it would make sense however if Lichtmann was targeted again since his credibility was minimal yesterday, hopefully we'll get some answers from him when he gets back online. He is allowed to tell us what really was going on yesterday after all.

[FM Cafarelli]

@ Cafarelli, sorry to hear that I have lost your trust, but I have said everything I have to say on the matter and no matter how many votes are put on me, the information that I got will not change. Not unless the hosts screwed up.

Unless you wish to question me on something else, pressuring me will not help you.

I do however have some questions for you, yesterday, you were the first one to suggest that I might be lying about the poison, as I said before, only the mafia knew for sure if I was poisoned or if I was drugged. I'm not throwing any accusations, but I must question your motives for your quick attack on me. It would be conceivable that the mafia wanted to put my credentials in question and push a lynch on me during the game. Especially since if I didn't lie, it exposes one of their roles as a drug dealer.

As for my view on the invest journal: yesterday we found 3 roleblock claims, and the invest found someone that would fit into one of those roles. If he does not think that person is acting suspicious, then he probably thinks he found an escort and not a consort. Why are you determined for an invest to reveal a possible towns PRs? Until this morning, we didn't even know that there would be 2 news articles.

to your questions:
well i don't know if i was the first to mention it, but i took all possibilities into consideration and there was also the possibility that you lied. i didn't say you did on d1 but i said it's possible. there was no attack, i wanted the doc to heal you.

ok i give you that revealing town PRs is not good. but anyway i think a consig wrote this interview (or just some maf). what do you think about this?

this is your ultimate plan:
lie about being poisoned. try hard to contribute. say it was drug dealed next day. appear as semiconfirmed townie after that.

i cant see you claiming to be blackmailed, so drug dealed or lie is the only possibility.
drug dealed was one of the bd/blocked feedback claimers. if they weren't drug dealed, what do you think happened to them, why were there so many claims? or do you think there might be 2 drug dealers?

so here are some more questions to you, i hope more people start pressuring you
1) why did you figure out all those account names when you thought you'd die anyway and get no chance to post it
2) why would the mafia drug deal you to poisoned, when they could also drug things like blocked, busdriven, blackmailed, no feedback, etc. the only advantage i can see is that you might pull the doctor (unless they have interceptor, but still no kill from him so i doubt strongly)
3) what roles are in game in your opinion
4) is there any good reason why a townie would lie about this? cause i dont think so, so you should be lynched.

[FM Cohen]

to your questions:
well i don't know if i was the first to mention it, but i took all possibilities into consideration and there was also the possibility that you lied. i didn't say you did on d1 but i said it's possible. there was no attack, i wanted the doc to heal you.

ok i give you that revealing town PRs is not good. but anyway i think a consig wrote this interview (or just some maf). what do you think about this?

this is your ultimate plan:
lie about being poisoned. try hard to contribute. say it was drug dealed next day. appear as semiconfirmed townie after that.

i cant see you claiming to be blackmailed, so drug dealed or lie is the only possibility.
drug dealed was one of the bd/blocked feedback claimers. if they weren't drug dealed, what do you think happened to them, why were there so many claims? or do you think there might be 2 drug dealers?

Well first, I'm far from confirmed town, I wouldn't expect anyone to consider me as such either. Just as I don't consider all town leaders as town. As for the many feedbacks, I agree that someone is lying somewhere, 3 bus claims and 3 roleblocks + invis ink taking up the blackmail (hope to get this confirmed later) seems like alot, I have a few hunches that I'd like to pursue on my own without tipping my hand to those I have my eye on if you don't mind. I might give more info later in the day.

so here are some more questions to you, i hope more people start pressuring you
1) why did you figure out all those account names when you thought you'd die anyway and get no chance to post it
2) why would the mafia drug deal you to poisoned, when they could also drug things like blocked, busdriven, blackmailed, no feedback, etc. the only advantage i can see is that you might pull the doctor (unless they have interceptor, but still no kill from him so i doubt strongly)
3) what roles are in game in your opinion
4) is there any good reason why a townie would lie about this? cause i dont think so, so you should be lynched.

1- I had found the second batch of accounts pre-game, they were created just before n1 and were showing up on the newest member list. Found the others when Artaxerxes came online.

2- Well, having poisoner in the role cards and not getting one, they had a one shot deal to make town think they were dealing with one, my guess is that they wanted to direct the doctors. No PRs claimed yesterday so they may not have been able to use that plan to full effectiveness, they probably didn't expect me to ask not to be healed either.

3- I rather keep that to myself if you don't mind, I know just as much as you do for feedbacks.

4- umm, well, actually there would be. If a townie tried this gambit using the ultimate plan that you pointed out, and hoped that there was a mafia architect or grave robber that took town architect n1, and ended up in a night chat with the mafia thinking that he was one of the neutrals, he could have gotten some or all the mafia names and busted this game wide open. This isn't my case, but you did ask the question.

[FM Cafarelli]

i like answer 4^^
what about the invest/consig

[FM Cafarelli]

and also, who do you think lied with the roleblock claims

[FM Cafarelli]

and also, who do you think lied with the roleblock claims

or busdriven claims^^

[FM Lichtmann]

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FM Lichtmann*

I get up and everyone else leaves....

[FM Lichtmann]

I was reading though and as for the invisi ink thing, I was doing that deliberately. I would like to retract my reasoning for another time but I'm here to answer questions for those who come on. I will be around and about today due to the fact that I have no work.

[FM Cafarelli]

I was reading though and as for the invisi ink thing, I was doing that deliberately. I would like to retract my reasoning for another time but I'm here to answer questions for those who come on. I will be around and about today due to the fact that I have no work.

what you think about cohen

[FM Cohen]

what about the invest/consig

I think its an invest based off of what was said and what he held back. I think that if it is a consig, he wouldn't risk getting cornered into giving investigation results for the rest of the game through news articles, it makes it really hard for him to claim later if he wants to give fake results.

and also, who do you think lied with the roleblock claims or busdriven claims

I have a hunch, but not much to go off of right now. I prefer not to give up who I FoS and let it play out, I usually gain more evidence later on if they are not pressured and aren't aware that I'm watching them and can make more of a solid case against them.

McKelty was put under pressure too fast and had nothing to defend himself with... mainly because there was no evidence against him to start with. I rather not start a train until I find out more, this town thinks that pressuring people will get that person to give all the answers by pulling them out of a hat.

[FM Lichtmann]

what you think about cohen

Comparing yesterday to today I think he has been blackmailed. Tomorrow if he was and he fulfilled the requirements, we can have him post the feedback. The host forbid day one feedbacks but nothing else.

confirm?

If the host confirms it we can essentially break the mafia of saying "Oh, i was blackmailed" or faking a blackmail. And no I'm no consig, but I am important. If someone would like to come and talk to me tonight I will be more then happy to explain.

[FM Hogeboom]

Hi, reporting in to say that nothing happened to me last night.

[FM Cohen]

invisi ink thing, I was doing that deliberately. I would like to retract my reasoning for another time but I'm here to answer questions for those who come on. I will be around and about today due to the fact that I have no work.

I can think of a few reasons why you did it, I'll keep them to myself for now since you would rather keep them quiet.

So if you weren't blackmailed yesterday, do you think Bekowsky or Monroe was? I haven't seen either of them yet, and they were on rather early the day before.

[FM Lichtmann]

Comparing yesterday to today I think he has been blackmailed. Tomorrow if he was and he fulfilled the requirements, we can have him post the feedback. The host forbid day one feedbacks but nothing else.

confirm?

If the host confirms it we can essentially break the mafia of saying "Oh, i was blackmailed" or faking a blackmail. And no I'm no consig, but I am important. If someone would like to come and talk to me tonight I will be more then happy to explain.

derp im looking at wrong people....

But anyway cohen right now was probably drugged/blackmailed the poison. If he was blackmailed he would be cleared and gotten the feedback. So right now I see him having the potential to be a scum but at same time he has been pretty pro-town with things.

As for the invest consig article. I do have to agree with cohen. I even think that if a consig/mafia got an interview they might either

A) Lie about their role
B) Lie about results if consig
C) Try to discredit others
or
D) all or some of the above

[FM Lichtmann]

I can think of a few reasons why you did it, I'll keep them to myself for now since you would rather keep them quiet.

So if you weren't blackmailed yesterday, do you think Bekowsky or Monroe was? I haven't seen either of them yet, and they were on rather early the day before.

Give me one moment to look through their posts of day one.

[FM Cohen]

A target that has been freed of blackmail (starting the night after completing their task), is free to reveal that they were blackmailed.

Comparing yesterday to today I think he has been blackmailed. Tomorrow if he was and he fulfilled the requirements, we can have him post the feedback. The host forbid day one feedbacks but nothing else.

confirm?

If the host confirms it we can essentially break the mafia of saying "Oh, i was blackmailed" or faking a blackmail. And no I'm no consig, but I am important. If someone would like to come and talk to me tonight I will be more then happy to explain.

I wasn't blackmailed.

[FM Galloway]

I was reading though and as for the invisi ink thing, I was doing that deliberately.

Blackmailor is still a possibility but it just became less likely to be in the game with this. ^

Reasonings or not I want to hear why you typed in invisi text instead of normal.
Whatcha think about Akcermann and fontane if thats how you spell it.

Cohen why are you so eager to casualy accept this guys words?
It is just as possible that Litch is blackmailor and faked it for a day and has now blackmailed someone.
Also, the lynch on McKelty was indeed fast because it took the entire amount of time we have avaliable in the day chat. funny that.
But he had tons of options to remove pressure that he chose not to. Hinderence to town to those who can't be bothered to try. But i digress.

What do you feel on chapman Cohen?

[FM Lichtmann]

I wasn't blackmailed.

Ok. after looking though a few pages (with the handy ctl+F) I want to say Bekowsky was more trolling. Not only because we didn't have reroll. but also because he later said it was only a ruse. I have a feeling that if he says it was fake before day was over it would not count as doing the task.

Monroe on the other hand says he is bad and then seems to talk quite a bit about the blackmail mechanic. He could be implying that he was blackmailed and is trying to indirectly tell us.

[FM Lichtmann]

Blackmailor is still a possibility but it just became less likely to be in the game with this. ^

Reasonings or not I want to hear why you typed in invisi text instead of normal.
Whatcha think about Akcermann and fontane if thats how you spell it.

Cohen why are you so eager to casualy accept this guys words?
It is just as possible that Litch is blackmailor and faked it for a day and has now blackmailed someone.
Also, the lynch on McKelty was indeed fast because it took the entire amount of time we have avaliable in the day chat. funny that.
But he had tons of options to remove pressure that he chose not to. Hinderence to town to those who can't be bothered to try. But i digress.

What do you feel on chapman Cohen?

If you know my COM name you know my reasoning.

I will go find Ackerman and fontane (whatever the spelling is) and see what I think Mr. [retracted COM name]