Day 2

[FM Cafarelli]

The problem is, if what you say is true: you may have already revealed too much information.

yes i know
here is the evidence, i knew you'd request it
it's that I was drugged n1. no doubt, because i didn't receive my feedback. i was drugged to no feedback. i had my reason to conceal it (i didnt want to give away my role) and though i did my best to point out that there's a dd and the poisoning was not drugged. so its impossible cohen was drugged. and he was also not blackmailed, he would have told
he felt safe to lie about being poisoned and then claim drugged, because i said nothing happened to me and tried to look like a citizen. he thought noond would ever know i was drugged

i am the investigator. that's why it's fucking unlikely that the interviewed guy is an invest aswell
here is the lw i submitted after last night

-last will:

dear coroner, this is my last will, thanks for retrieving it.

night 1 went to fm black but was drugged to no feedback. didnt reveal that i'm drugged because then mafia would know i'm important
night 2 checking fm rose, received Mafia Godfather / Savage Godfather / Mayor / Delta / Jester / Survivor pairing.


if you don't have the wish to reveal, you can use the hints i left in my posts to give them all my results.
just say you've analyzed all the posts of the dead invest again.
n1 i didn't get feedback, so i didnt leave a hint. you can say this. additionally you can say i was a little to sure that the poison was not drugged and that there's a drug dealer
n2 post #137, i said fm rose is suspicious (reason why i checked him) and said he's maybe citizen/jester. those are 2 roles of the pairing i received.

if you ever feel the need to reveal and proof yourself, solve my puzzle (only proves your coroner, not necessarily town aligned):
here the puzzle again (posted in my first post)
i affect the speed of betas and the speed of betas affects me (beta is not the hint)
solution (just copy and paste):
[CONFIDENTIAL FOR CORONER EYES ONLY]

now die scum^^ (dont lynch too early though)
and next day we get the consig ;)

[FM Cohen]

Well then there is either 2 drug dealers or I was drugged last night to hide any healing feedback, I would suspect 2 drug dealers more though. There is also the possibility that you are lying, but I'm not getting a scum vibe from you so I'll ignore that possibility for now.

[FM Monroe]

I thought it very strange that Cafarelli jumped Cohen the way she did. It's still possible that someone did heal Cohen, but that he was fed no feedback drugs. Or that the poison itself was the result of drugging and that an interceptor failed to kill anyone tonight. Yet another possibility is that Cafarelli is a disguiser who wants to get rid of Cohen quickly for some reason. And if they have a kidnapper she'll be able to jump safely. Or maybe Cohen even got blackmailed today to claim he got no feedback and the mafia is trying to get a doctor claim like I said yesterday. But no sane doctor would fall for that.
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[FM Colmyer]

Fuck is that?

[FM Colmyer]

You're confusing me.

[FM Monroe]

On the other hand, Cohen's dismissal of yesterday's lynch as a rush job makes little sense. The day was almost over by the time it happened and McKelty clearly wasn't going to be cooperative. And was content making himself look scummier with each post he made. Cohen himself said this yesterday and voted McKelty.

Cohen also seems to try to confuse people with nonsense regarding the effects of blackmail on day 1, while there most probably were none. Unless Colmyer is deceiving us. Blackmailed targets have 2 days to complete their task. So the simplest explanation is that Colmyer got blackmailed night 1 and wanted to drag his blackmail out so the mafia couldn't use a new, better informed and more damaging blackmail night 2. He built enough credit day 1 and completes the task he got on day 2, to continue as normal tomorrow.

Lastly, Cohen asks for reads from Lichtmann, but he himself doesn't want to reply with his own reads because he thinks it's a good idea to keep them hidden. But yesterday he posted some small reads on everyone in the game. His inconsistency is remarkable. And it covers more subjects than a single blackmail could, I would think.

[FM Lichtmann]

On the other hand, Cohen's dismissal of yesterday's lynch as a rush job makes little sense. The day was almost over by the time it happened and McKelty clearly wasn't going to be cooperative. And was content making himself look scummier with each post he made. Cohen himself said this yesterday and voted McKelty.

Cohen also seems to try to confuse people with nonsense regarding the effects of blackmail on day 1, while there most probably were none. Unless Colmyer is deceiving us. Blackmailed targets have 2 days to complete their task. So the simplest explanation is that Colmyer got blackmailed night 1 and wanted to drag his blackmail out so the mafia couldn't use a new, better informed and more damaging blackmail night 2. He built enough credit day 1 and completes the task he got on day 2, to continue as normal tomorrow.

Lastly, Cohen asks for reads from Lichtmann, but he himself doesn't want to reply with his own reads because he thinks it's a good idea to keep them hidden. But yesterday he posted some small reads on everyone in the game. His inconsistency is remarkable. And it covers more subjects than a single blackmail could, I would think.

So will you put another vote up? We got plenty of space before a hammer.

[FM Hogeboom]

Ah, this sounds good.

-vote FM Cohen

[FM Monroe]

Alright, Cafarelli is Savage Investigator who needs cover for not getting a night 1 result and Cohen is in the pairing she says he's in, but he could be anything in that pairing except Survivor.

Carry on.

[FM Lichtmann]

We should be watching who votes this time as well. I can try to keep track but I would like it if we had several people pay attention so we can sort it out.

[FM Monroe]

Correction: Cohen also isn't mayor or savage godfather.

Which means mafia godfather is the only role we'd want to lynch. I'm not voting him up.

[FM Cohen]

On the other hand, Cohen's dismissal of yesterday's lynch as a rush job makes little sense. The day was almost over by the time it happened and McKelty clearly wasn't going to be cooperative. And was content making himself look scummier with each post he made. Cohen himself said this yesterday and voted McKelty.

Cohen also seems to try to confuse people with nonsense regarding the effects of blackmail on day 1, while there most probably were none. Unless Colmyer is deceiving us. Blackmailed targets have 2 days to complete their task. So the simplest explanation is that Colmyer got blackmailed night 1 and wanted to drag his blackmail out so the mafia couldn't use a new, better informed and more damaging blackmail night 2. He built enough credit day 1 and completes the task he got on day 2, to continue as normal tomorrow.

Lastly, Cohen asks for reads from Lichtmann, but he himself doesn't want to reply with his own reads because he thinks it's a good idea to keep them hidden. But yesterday he posted some small reads on everyone in the game. His inconsistency is remarkable. And it covers more subjects than a single blackmail could, I would think.

Funny how you and I remember yesterday differently, I was halting the McKalty vote early on when everyone was jumping on board for no reason, this was at the 24h point when there was still time to switch. I joined the vote later not because I thought McKelty was scum, but because I thought lynching would gain more info than not lynching, which I pointed out when I voted.

not sure what you are talking about confusing people with blackmail nonesense, if anything I was seeking out Lichtmann to find out if he was blackmailed or not.

I never asked for Lichtmanns reads, nor did I expose anything he wished concealed.

I gave my general impressions yesterday because I thought I was not going to be alive today and it was out of towns hands, I was not counting on surviving and was willing to help anyone that would value what I had. Now that my life is in the hands of being lynched, you can bet that I won't be so generous with my opinions.

Get your facts straight before you question me you lunatic, you were one of the town leaders on the McKelty lynch, you can bet I won't let you steer this town again today. I rather have Cafarelli interrogate me, at least I trust her more than you.

[FM Colmyer]

I'm here to save you.

[FM Colmyer]

All of them.

[FM Cafarelli]

I thought it very strange that Cafarelli jumped Cohen the way she did. It's still possible that someone did heal Cohen, but that he was fed no feedback drugs. Or that the poison itself was the result of drugging and that an interceptor failed to kill anyone tonight. Yet another possibility is that Cafarelli is a disguiser who wants to get rid of Cohen quickly for some reason. And if they have a kidnapper she'll be able to jump safely. Or maybe Cohen even got blackmailed today to claim he got no feedback and the mafia is trying to get a doctor claim like I said yesterday. But no sane doctor would fall for that.

headswow you defend him pretty hard^^
first, i'm a he but i dont really care
drugging cohen to no feedback is not possible because: who was poisoned today?
the savage thing is bullshit. i was really drug dealed, if not me who else? if it was cohen we'll see when he's lynched and then i'll be dead anyway. and why in hell would i try to get cohen lynched if i was savage

2 drug dealers? seriously? with all that roles we have already confirmed?
it's time for you to roleclaim now but i think it's safe to lynch you

[FM Cohen]

Alright, Cafarelli is Savage Investigator who needs cover for not getting a night 1 result and Cohen is in the pairing she says he's in, but he could be anything in that pairing except Survivor.

Carry on.

Cafarelli didn't even check me, she doesn't know what paring I'm in. Don't discount her just yet, and DOCTOR/HEALING ROLE... don't screw up again, mafia will do everything they can to get you off an invest.

[FM Cafarelli]

lol note the inv ink in the post i quoted

[FM Colmyer]

I wouldn't die for you.

[FM Mason]

Hey guys! Checking in again. Nothing happened to me last night. I was roleblocked the first night.

Wait what.
wait.
wut.
4 roleblocks on night one?

[FM Cohen]

Wait what.
wait.
wut.
4 roleblocks on night one?

He claimed d1 as well, not new. Probably a replacement due to his low post count.

[FM Black]

lol note the inv ink in the post i quoted

Where?

[FM Monroe]

Funny how you and I remember yesterday differently, I was halting the McKalty vote early on when everyone was jumping on board for no reason, this was at the 24h point when there was still time to switch. I joined the vote later not because I thought McKelty was scum, but because I thought lynching would gain more info than not lynching, which I pointed out when I voted.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post318051

on a side note, McKelty is loosing my favor

That post suggests otherwise.

not sure what you are talking about confusing people with blackmail nonesense, if anything I was seeking out Lichtmann to find out if he was blackmailed or not.

I see you are not talking in invis text. I'm assuming you were the target of blackmail yesterday.

Can targets that were previously blackmailed, reveal it on future days?

This adds to Bekowsky strange behavior that I would like to question him on today if he was not the target of blackmail.

I think you spark useless discussion here because Lichtmann's and Bekowsky's posts didn't really look like blackmail at all. Use invisible ink? Try to build a case against some random player without evidence? It would have to have been the most useless blackmail idea ever. At least what Colmyer is doing now makes people want to stop reading and posting because of all the spam. And it shuts Colmyer up completely, like a vanilla blackmail does. If you think that Colmyer is blackmailed today, then your assumption that someone else had to be blackmailed day 1 is what boggles my mind.

I never asked for Lichtmanns reads, nor did I expose anything he wished concealed.

Admit I was off on that one. A poorly structured post by Galloway which you quoted made me think that you did. Apologies.

Funny that you trust Cafarelli the slightest bit with 3 roleblocks, 3 bus driven claims and your poisoning. She actually has evidence against her. It seems clear to me that it's a coverup for actually being a cit that only got investigative abilities on night 2 thanks to her new boss.

[FM Black]

Are you referring to ur inviso, or the quote?

[FM Black]

Caffeine could just as well be lieing just as we suggest you are. But he is throwing a huge gambit whether its a lie or not. Have to say I believe him even with my initial distrust.

[FM Earle]

Earle, is here.

[FM Monroe]

Cafarelli didn't even check me, she doesn't know what paring I'm in. Don't discount her just yet, and DOCTOR/HEALING ROLE... don't screw up again, mafia will do everything they can to get you off an invest.

So her case is solely based on that shaky drug claim and she wants Rose to back her up by confirming her invest pairing? That makes her case even more dubious if you ask me.

I skimmed over the last will after I read her drugged claim, because I just don't buy it and didn't take it seriously enough. I blindly filled in your name because it would make her case the most logical.

Do you honestly believe the mafia would use no feedback drugs on some random person on night 1 though? How likely is it that that's going to do anything at all? Use the drug dealer to hide the fact that there could be a drug dealer in the game? That's a joke, right?

If I were a mason clubber I'd bash her skull in tonight. But since I'm not.

-vote FM Cafarelli

I'm seriously getting distracted due to the constant new post warnings as well. Makes it hard to think clearly and straighten out my thoughts. Apologies for that.

[FM Cohen]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post318051

That post suggests otherwise.

Gravitating away from a stance I'm willing to defend him for and me considering him scum are 2 different things. I opposed his train but didn't have anyone else to suggest at the time.

I think you spark useless discussion here because Lichtmann's and Bekowsky's posts didn't really look like blackmail at all. Use invisible ink? Try to build a case against some random player without evidence? It would have to have been the most useless blackmail idea ever. At least what Colmyer is doing now makes people want to stop reading and posting because of all the spam. And it shuts Colmyer up completely, like a vanilla blackmail does. If you think that Colmyer is blackmailed today, then your assumption that someone else had to be blackmailed day 1 is what boggles my mind.

You assume that the players will take advantage of the 2 day limit, if you look back on page 1, I reminded everyone that very thing because I know darn well that people don't read rolecards or rules. Heck, Parker didn't even know how journalist worked even after I told him to go look it up. So yes, I assumed that if there is a blackmailer, someone may have tried to do it d1. Lichtmann was a prime candidate and all I asked was if he was or wasn't.

If I remember correctly, some people suggested that you or Bekowsky might be blackmailed n1. I didn't offer any opinion. But it's pretty clear to me that you are trying to mislead the town more than anyone else.

You want to know why I trust Cafarelli? It's because he has been cautious and isn't showing his hand to everyone and letting gambits play out hoping to catch someone in a trap. She hasn't jumped onto any bandwagons that didn't support any evidence, at least not until it was time to decide lynch or not to lynch and has been questioning me with valid questions. You on the other hand seem to not even know what you are talking about.

-vote FM Monroe

I'll find the rest of your team later, but I won't let a mafia lead this town.

[FM Black]

So her case is solely based on that shaky drug claim and she wants Rose to back her up by confirming her invest pairing? That makes her case even more dubious if you ask me.

I skimmed over the last will after I read her drugged claim, because I just don't buy it and didn't take it seriously enough. I blindly filled in your name because it would make her case the most logical.

Do you honestly believe the mafia would use no feedback drugs on some random person on night 1 though? How likely is it that that's going to do anything at all? Use the drug dealer to hide the fact that there could be a drug dealer in the game? That's a joke, right?

If I were a mason clubber I'd bash her skull in tonight. But since I'm not.

-vote FM Cafarelli

I'm seriously getting distracted due to the constant new post warnings as well. Makes it hard to think clearly and straighten out my thoughts. Apologies for that.

Theres an option to disable that

[FM Black]

I'm personally not letting my mind carry away easily. Monroe has are been on my list as I stated earlier. A smart town leader is a dangerous scum.

For now I'm taking care of business with my angel, Cohen

[FM Monroe]

heads

wow you defend him pretty hard^^
first, i'm a he but i dont really care
drugging cohen to no feedback is not possible because: who was poisoned today?
the savage thing is bullshit. i was really drug dealed, if not me who else? if it was cohen we'll see when he's lynched and then i'll be dead anyway. and why in hell would i try to get cohen lynched if i was savage

2 drug dealers? seriously? with all that roles we have already confirmed?
it's time for you to roleclaim now but i think it's safe to lynch you

I think there's 1 drug dealer and that you're lying. Because your night 1 claim is just so damn unlikely.

The day is still early. I'm not about to exclude the possibility that someone did get poisoned today. Or that they poisoned Cohen again in case he got healed, though that's a bit far-fetched.

The way I see it, your claim wouldn't be about getting Cohen lynched, but to establish yourself as a PR the sheep can flock behind when you reveal your results. Cohen is just your explanation for why you claimed anything to begin with.

Then when some doctor heals you and the clubber bashes your skull in you will say "thanks doc!" and the clubber won't reveal because it's just not worth it, because he's too important. You'd attribute the attack to the savages trying to recruit you, or some secondary mafia attack. Or you'd just get bus driven and wouldn't need to worry about anything.

[FM Monroe]

Theres an option to disable that

Thank you. I forgot all about it.

[FM Colmyer]

I'm not lying to you.

[FM Colmyer]

I'm sorry.

[FM Kalou]

Well hello there townies, Just thought I'd pop in for a friendly hello today

[FM Monroe]

Earle, is here.

Did you not get replaced? I'm surprised.

Mind showing us the summary you wrote of day 1?

I'm personally not letting my mind carry away easily. Monroe has are been on my list as I stated earlier. A smart town leader is a dangerous scum.

For now I'm taking care of business with my angel, Cohen

Many things I've been doing would be decidedly not smart as scum.

[FM Buchwalter]

Feedback Claims:

• Godfather
  
  1. killed Bishop
• Blackmailer
  
  1. blackmailed Colmyer
• Escort / Consort
  
  1. blocked Buchwalter
• Bus Driver / Kidnapper
  
  1. bussed Galloway
  2. bussed Lichtmann
• Journalist / Corrupted Journalist
  
  1. interviewd unknown
  2. interviewd unknown
• Witch
  
  1. witched Biggs

Notable Posts:

• Cafarelli
  
  1. Claims Investigator, but not the interviewed one. Claims feedback-block drugged night 1. [#251]
• Buchwalter
  
  1. Day 1 version of this list. [Day 1 #535]
• Monroe
  
  1. Still create lots of chaos and confusion.

Lynch Trains:

• Cohen
  
  1. Poison appear to have been a drug, a lie, or was feedback-block drugged last night.

[FM Black]

So why are you defending Cohen so heavily now? In a way you seem to be wishy washy yourself

[FM Monroe]

By the way, I was bus driven last night.

You can add that to your list of shallow notes, Buchwalter.

[FM Buchwalter]

I'm back and there is the list so far.

Monroe you seem to be causing more confusion than anything else. You can maybe even be said to have started the lynch train on McKelty, so I do not hold much respect for you.

I do not know how but I believe both Cohen and Cafarelli. Maybe I just trust people too much or is not as hardened as the rest of you.

Still less then half the players have posted so far, way too early for me to know who is lying or what is fake.

[FM Buchwalter]

By the way, I was bus driven last night.

You can add that to your list of shallow notes, Buchwalter.

Ok I will add it to the list when i update it.

[FM Lichtmann]

By the way, I was bus driven last night.

You can add that to your list of shallow notes, Buchwalter.

And you reveal this now why?

[FM Buchwalter]

And you reveal this now why?

I was wondering the same.

Why not reveal it in your first post Monroe?

[FM Cohen]

just food for thought:
if you were a bus driver, would you switch monroe?

if you were a kidnapper, would you switch monroe?


Which seems more likely? I'd say kidnapper or a lie. Prevents investigation roles from checking/confirming results on a highly valued target.

[FM Lichtmann]

I was wondering the same.

Why not reveal it in your first post Monroe?

I think when you put it in the list leave a link to it or put it questionable

[FM Black]

Because Monroe likes nothing less than to keep to guessing and rethinking themselves.

His actions are that of a manipulator and can be quite dangerous for scum, as I mentioned

[FM Monroe]

So why are you defending Cohen so heavily now? In a way you seem to be wishy washy yourself

I'm not defending Cohen. I think he's being shifty, his reaction to Bishop's death was stupid and he's rather full of himself. I just find Cafarelli's claim far less likely than his.

The fact that there's a dead detective in the graveyard makes it even less likely, because I think Morgan's assumption that there would be relatively few town investigative roles because a bunch had to come from the Savage Godfather was accurate. And I think a Coroner and Journalist as roles to provide town with their info would make a lot of sense because our last wills aren't posted.

Detective, Journalist and Coroner would already put us at 3. And an investigator just happens to claim with some of the most unlikely feedback from night 1, while investigator and lookout are probably the best roles for the Savage Godfather to start out with.

[FM Mendez]

Well then there is either 2 drug dealers or I was drugged last night to hide any healing feedback, I would suspect 2 drug dealers more though. There is also the possibility that you are lying, but I'm not getting a scum vibe from you so I'll ignore that possibility for now.

Confused why you say hide any healing feedback. Are you implying the poison was real and not a dd now?

Do you honestly believe the mafia would use no feedback drugs on some random person on night 1 though? How likely is it that that's going to do anything at all? Use the drug dealer to hide the fact that there could be a drug dealer in the game? That's a joke, right?

Yeah, agreed with this. Plus it doesn't hide it like I said earlier. Any tpr will realize they had their feedback prevented. It makes carafellis story pretty shaky trying to make us believe that.

[FM Buchwalter]

just food for thought:
if you were a bus driver, would you switch monroe?

if you were a kidnapper, would you switch monroe?


Which seems more likely? I'd say kidnapper or a lie. Prevents investigation roles from checking/confirming results on a highly valued target.

If I was a Bus Driver I'm not sure i would have bussed anyone night 1 either. No need to cause unneeded confusion or reveal a town role that early.
As for bussing Monroe? No. Much better to let investigative roles do their thing.

But a Kidnapper? Maybe the complete opposite.

[FM Monroe]

just food for thought:
if you were a bus driver, would you switch monroe?

if you were a kidnapper, would you switch monroe?


Which seems more likely? I'd say kidnapper or a lie. Prevents investigation roles from checking/confirming results on a highly valued target.

I think it was a kidnapper as well, but for a different reason.

And you reveal this now why?

Why not? I felt more inclined to respond to the matters at hand first. And it seems better not to withold it, to show that there's indeed probably a bus driver and a kidnapper in the game and the bus driven claims from yesterday were probably not drugged.

[FM Buchwalter]

I think when you put it in the list leave a link to it or put it questionable

I added it to Notable Posts section.