Day 2

[FM Morgan]

This is insane.

[FM Ackerman]

@Phelps, I don't like you trying to derail this train.

Two blackmailers acting on day two, instead of day 1 would require that the blackmailers withheld their action on Day 1 or that their actions resolved. Since no one has claimed to have successfully completed their blackmail from the day before, I am almost certain it's not the latter. The mafia holding back two blackmailers for day 2 also seems suspicious.

Therefore, why are Colmyr and Monroe both acting like they are blackmailed?

Furthermore, the drug deal visited either Cohen or the "outed" investigator.

@Phelps, I don't like you. I hope an investigator/sheriff checks you out.

@Phelps. The post is accurate. I've quoted from the setup in bold.



Therefore, unless we have

Godfather, Blackmailer, Blackmailer, Drug Dealer, and Consort... the premise where both Colmyer and Monroe are blackmailed is impossible. The drugs already went to Cohen or the outed investigator.

Slight variation, either Colmyer, Monroe, or Cohen are bsing.

[FM Mason]

Where are your buggy balls?

[Colour=teal]Mistah J wouldn't let me have them![\colour]

[FM Ballard]

Oh sorry for sounding hostile earlier, wasn't in a good mood ^^'

I'm not voting Monroe because I don't like the people who have already voted him. My opinion before they voted on almost half of them was that they were scum. I'm not going to vote with people I think are scum. Especially if one third of the current voters come off as scum to me. Simple.
(Fontaine/Kalou)

[FM Ackerman]

Slight variation, either Colmyer, Monroe, or Cohen are bsing.

Considering the investigators counter claim, I think the more likely of the three is

-vote FM Cohen

[FM Parker]

Yeah I know someone is scum now out of that list.

There is too much blackmail drug dealing going on.

A) Morgan and Colmyer are both spamming the thread with the English literature. This is what would happen if one was drugged.
B) However, that means that Cohen/the outed invest would not have received a drug.
C) Monroe is also demonstrating blackmailed esque traits.

At least one of the following is scum,

Monroe, Morgan, Cohen, the invest (Sorry the name is hard to spell), or Colmyer.


The question becomes who do we lynch?
I'm looking at the scenarios now.

[FM Ballard]

Cafarelli for future reference. Memorize it like you would for "Donquixote" in the last FM!

I believe Cafarelli's investigator claim. I'm sure that a Consigliere would be less bold. Therefore, it's not looking good for Cohen at all.
I don't think Monroe is blackmailed, he seemed serious earlier in the day. He became an ass after people said he was confusing.

[FM Chapman]

Bekowsky: Thoughts on:
Ryan
Galletta
Fontaine
Bishop
Lichtmann
Dunn
McKelty

Also, how did you pick the names to put on your list?

[FM Morgan]

Don't ever leave me again.

[FM Chapman]

Oh, and Bekowsky? Your last post of day one said you'd return in two hours, but you didn't. Care to explain?

[FM Ackerman]

Yeah I know someone is scum now out of that list.

There is too much blackmail drug dealing going on.

A) Morgan and Colmyer are both spamming the thread with the English literature. This is what would happen if one was drugged.
B) However, that means that Cohen/the outed invest would not have received a drug.
C) Monroe is also demonstrating blackmailed esque traits.

At least one of the following is scum,

Monroe, Morgan, Cohen, the invest (Sorry the name is hard to spell), or Colmyer.


The question becomes who do we lynch?
I'm looking at the scenarios now.

Cohen
Colmyer and Morgan both started the spamming before it was clear that we suspected Cohen of being drugged, similarly a tactic of blackmailing two people would definitely put scrutiny under both players, and the blackmail in question would certain inhibit the ability of town. Monroe could certainly be a scum, but just as easily a jester. My recommendation for him is a jailors execution. Cohen's claim is easy to see as logical from a mafia standpoint.

[FM Chapman]

I need to study for APUSH. I'll be lurking.

[FM Ackerman]

@Ballard nows as good a time as any. I would like a formal declaration of whether you were interviewed last night. Thank You!

[FM Parker]

-vote unvote

My notes are taking longer to assemble than I thought.

[FM Monroe]

Opinion on me, Ballard, Ackerman, Rose, and Lichtmann?

I couldn't make sense of you yesterday. Most of it was puns and a little bit of blending. I would have to go back and read again to get a clearer picture.

Ballard & Ackerman: At the start of yesterday he seemed really sensible and very insightful, but as time progressed he started to devote all of his attention to Ackerman, who had only made 2 trollish posts that seemed rather meaningless to me. With the amount of mega lurkers and smalltime trolls we seemed to have that day, it looked like a completely fruitless endeavour to me. And today he seems to want to continue that train of thought. His duck RP does not bother me, and I pity anyone who is trying to use it as an argument that he'd supposedly be scum.

While Ackerman has posted slightly more now it's still less than the bare minimum if you ask me. In a game full of dedicated players I'd gladly help to get rid of him early so he won't act as a disturbance any longer, but here it looks obvious to me that more can be gained by pursuing information from players that actually have something to say. Therefore I do not understand Ballard's behavior and I would like him to expand his horizons. Maybe look for one other person he finds suspicious and question them as well. And hopefully gunsmith guns will enter the game to remove any lurky pests that don't get replaced or modkilled after a few days. That is assuming McKelty wasn't just leading us on a false trail about his evidence of a blacksmith's existence.

Rose: is a strange one, and a subject I would actually be willing to pressure. Rose showed some activity the other day while important matters were being discussed, yet she blatantly avoided any kind of discussion. She's full of one liners that lack arguments or anything more than really bare thoughts. Today she did ask Cohen a couple of relevant questions, but they were all things he'd answered already before she asked it. Failed to read (I admit I made some fails in that regard) or trying to make it look like her contributions mean something? This warrants questioning when she gets back, to try and get some deeper information out of her.

Lichtmann: Yesterday I paid him no mind. His invisible text didn't bother me and nothing he said really stood out to me. Today he started out talking to Cohen about yesterday's possible blackmails targets, seemingly with very little reasoning what sort of tasks the mafia might have assigned them and to what end. It was almost like he was saying that he found something Ackerman and I did a little strange, and if we weren't blackmailed then we must be scum.

When he is asked by Galloway to give reads on Ackerman and Fontane, he switches Ackerman up with Bekowsky.

Here:

If you know my COM name you know my reasoning.

I will go find Ackerman and fontane (whatever the spelling is) and see what I think Mr. [retracted COM name]

and here:

Back from looking through posts.

Bekowsky: I find it odd for him on day one says interesting night and leaves a vote. Today he pretty much does the same thing. For me its not much that I can base it off. But combined with the lurking I might consider him potential mafia (consig maybe). Like any mafia (look at any game that has congis) They always make a code. Here he might be trying to play consig under the radar but making one or two posts to tell mafia what he found and then just wait for nightfall.

Fontaine (correct spelling): I find it funny he's play the "new guy" card. I think everyone here knows how to do the commands that he said he couldn't do. Really for me theres not much I can see from it. He could be a lazy delta who's like "fuck this time to noob it up" or a PR, or maybe even a delta who's trying to take a bullet

Furthermore his reasoning for Bekowsky as consigliere seems poor. Why use a code as obvious as Tonight was interesting? Only works if he's dumb scum. And even then it could be code for anything. Why would he mention consigliere specifically?

Here he defends today's second article as probably investigator, together with Cohen:

I think its an invest based off of what was said and what he held back. I think that if it is a consig, he wouldn't risk getting cornered into giving investigation results for the rest of the game through news articles, it makes it really hard for him to claim later if he wants to give fake results.



I have a hunch, but not much to go off of right now. I prefer not to give up who I FoS and let it play out, I usually gain more evidence later on if they are not pressured and aren't aware that I'm watching them and can make more of a solid case against them.

McKelty was put under pressure too fast and had nothing to defend himself with... mainly because there was no evidence against him to start with. I rather not start a train until I find out more, this town thinks that pressuring people will get that person to give all the answers by pulling them out of a hat.

derp im looking at wrong people....

But anyway cohen right now was probably drugged/blackmailed the poison. If he was blackmailed he would be cleared and gotten the feedback. So right now I see him having the potential to be a scum but at same time he has been pretty pro-town with things.

As for the invest consig article. I do have to agree with cohen. I even think that if a consig/mafia got an interview they might either

A) Lie about their role
B) Lie about results if consig
C) Try to discredit others
or
D) all or some of the above

Yet neither of them ever questions Cafarelli's claim. Wouldn't that be a counter claim to the journalist article's claimer?

Lichtmann even votes Cafarelli's target without asking Cafarelli any questions:

I'm not 100% on lynch but I will add some pressure. I do find it funny how he did accept my reason so easily. I would expect everyone to question it or inquire.

-vote FM Cohen

This just seems illogical behavior to me somehow. At least if you try to be a critical thinker.

To me, Cafarelli clearly lied about not wanting to claim initially if you look at the post in which she votes Cohen up. She immediately criticized the second journalist article.

maybe because the witch saw that something happened to the guy you're witched too

well pretty obvious colmyer is blackmailed today. as lichtmann was yesterday, now he writes normal.
cohen is a huge liar, my trust in him was wrong, though my plan wasnt bad because now we know he's a liar and can lynch. blackmailed was lichtmann and drug dealed was one of the blocks/bds

also i think FM rose is pretty suspicious. he wrote 5 posts but non of these posts did actually contribute anything. but then again he might be jester or just a citizen like mckelty...

and the second interview was defitinitely made by a consig. a real invest would give us as much information as possible. he only wrote his outcome, not who was checked. what a hypocrite, mafia probably doesnt want to share their information with town. a REAL invest would see the interview as perfect chance to feed town with all he got without having to reveal. i also noted the sudden defense from cohen who is probably scum along with the consig. i'd like to know who wrote this interview
additionally invest seems unlikely now

where is the list of who voted last day? it's not in the vote counter anymore... fix pls, we need that list

-vote FM Cohen

[FM Parker]

CAN THOSE WHO WERE BLACKMAILED DAY ONE AND FINISH THEIR TASK REVEAL BLACKMAILED STATUS?

Sorry for the shouting. I really need the group to know that though.

Specifically, Mendez, Mason, Hogeboom, Hopgood, and Galletta need to know that.

[FM Ackerman]

CAN THOSE WHO WERE BLACKMAILED DAY ONE AND FINISH THEIR TASK REVEAL BLACKMAILED STATUS?

Sorry for the shouting. I really need the group to know that though.

Specifically, Mendez, Mason, Hogeboom, Hopgood, and Galletta need to know that.

Yes, "Claiming blackmail while blackmailed has the following penalities:"

[FM Parker]

My question is though, can the targets revealed blackmailed the next day.

For instance, I'm blackmailed to claim roleblocked. I claim roleblocked, can I then out as blackmailed?

Note: I was not every roleblocked. This is for hypothetical purposes only.

[FM Parker]

For clarity, my question above should read "Can the target of blackmail, after successfully completing, reveal the day after regardless of if two days are up without receiving a penalty? Are they notified if the status is lifted.

[FM Phelps]

Why shouldn't they? You make not much sense.

[FM Ackerman]

My question is though, can the targets revealed blackmailed the next day.

For instance, I'm blackmailed to claim roleblocked. I claim roleblocked, can I then out as blackmailed?

Note: I was not every roleblocked. This is for hypothetical purposes only.

Yes, the distinction is "Claiming blackmail while blackmailed has the following penalities:" vs. "Claiming blackmailed has the following penalities:"

[FM Parker]

I'm suspecting that two of the roleblocked claimers were indeed blackmailed but are not stepping forward to avoid facing penalties.

[FM Ackerman]

I'm suspecting that two of the roleblocked claimers were indeed blackmailed but are not stepping forward to avoid facing penalties.

Suspecting 2?

[FM Ackerman]

CAN THOSE WHO WERE BLACKMAILED DAY ONE AND FINISH THEIR TASK REVEAL BLACKMAILED STATUS?

Sorry for the shouting. I really need the group to know that though.

Specifically, Mendez, Mason, Hogeboom, Hopgood, and Galletta need to know that.

I'd like to note I believe that we had 3 bus/kidnapper yesterday and today.

[FM Chapman]

I'm suspecting that two of the roleblocked claimers were indeed blackmailed but are not stepping forward to avoid facing penalties.

Why? There are two roleblocked claims today, me and Bekowsky.

[FM Chapman]

Oh, and Monroe is town.

[FM Parker]

I only have two bussed today for my notes. Can you post who claimed bussed today Ackerman?

Yes, I am suspecting two of the roleblockers from day one were blackmailed into claiming roleblocked. That is because we only have one claim today. I'm near certain that Colmyer was blackmailed into stating that he was blackmailed and the mafia blackmailed him again to prevent him from announcing roleblocked.

I only had one of you two down as roleblocked.

[FM Ballard]

@Ballard nows as good a time as any. I would like a formal declaration of whether you were interviewed last night. Thank You!

I was not.

I need to study for APUSH. I'll be lurking.

APUSH is on Wednesday, fellow Junior!

[FM Parker]

Argh! Damn it. Can we get all the claims in one post again?

[FM Monroe]

A troll/joke/roleplay claim isn't a sign of blackmailing if it isn't used to accomplish anything. With the FM Game Master being online the illusion wasn't going to last more than a couple of minutes anyway. It was harmless unless the real mayor was going to be epic stupid.

I fail to see why you think I may have been blackmailed in this game. If I had been, I wouldn't be actively trying to discourage that thought.

If the mafia blackmailed someone night 1 and that blackmail was still active on night 2, could they still use drugs to get the same effect on someone else on day 2?

[FM Lichtmann]

I only have two bussed today for my notes. Can you post who claimed bussed today Ackerman?

Yes, I am suspecting two of the roleblockers from day one were blackmailed into claiming roleblocked. That is because we only have one claim today. I'm near certain that Colmyer was blackmailed into stating that he was blackmailed and the mafia blackmailed him again to prevent him from announcing roleblocked.

I only had one of you two down as roleblocked.

Name who you have bussed so we can clear it up. Your notes need some work.

And the host already pretty much confirmed 3 rbers in the game as well from day one.

As for 3rd bus name who you have then i will say 3rd

[FM Ballard]

Spoiler : original post :

I couldn't make sense of you yesterday. Most of it was puns and a little bit of blending. I would have to go back and read again to get a clearer picture.

Ballard & Ackerman: At the start of yesterday he seemed really sensible and very insightful, but as time progressed he started to devote all of his attention to Ackerman, who had only made 2 trollish posts that seemed rather meaningless to me. With the amount of mega lurkers and smalltime trolls we seemed to have that day, it looked like a completely fruitless endeavour to me. And today he seems to want to continue that train of thought. His duck RP does not bother me, and I pity anyone who is trying to use it as an argument that he'd supposedly be scum.

While Ackerman has posted slightly more now it's still less than the bare minimum if you ask me. In a game full of dedicated players I'd gladly help to get rid of him early so he won't act as a disturbance any longer, but here it looks obvious to me that more can be gained by pursuing information from players that actually have something to say. Therefore I do not understand Ballard's behavior and I would like him to expand his horizons. Maybe look for one other person he finds suspicious and question them as well. And hopefully gunsmith guns will enter the game to remove any lurky pests that don't get replaced or modkilled after a few days. That is assuming McKelty wasn't just leading us on a false trail about his evidence of a blacksmith's existence.

Rose: is a strange one, and a subject I would actually be willing to pressure. Rose showed some activity the other day while important matters were being discussed, yet she blatantly avoided any kind of discussion. She's full of one liners that lack arguments or anything more than really bare thoughts. Today she did ask Cohen a couple of relevant questions, but they were all things he'd answered already before she asked it. Failed to read (I admit I made some fails in that regard) or trying to make it look like her contributions mean something? This warrants questioning when she gets back, to try and get some deeper information out of her.

Lichtmann: Yesterday I paid him no mind. His invisible text didn't bother me and nothing he said really stood out to me. Today he started out talking to Cohen about yesterday's possible blackmails targets, seemingly with very little reasoning what sort of tasks the mafia might have assigned them and to what end. It was almost like he was saying that he found something Ackerman and I did a little strange, and if we weren't blackmailed then we must be scum.

When he is asked by Galloway to give reads on Ackerman and Fontane, he switches Ackerman up with Bekowsky.

Here:

and here:


Furthermore his reasoning for Bekowsky as consigliere seems poor. Why use a code as obvious as Tonight was interesting? Only works if he's dumb scum. And even then it could be code for anything. Why would he mention consigliere specifically?

Here he defends today's second article as probably investigator, together with Cohen:



Yet neither of them ever questions Cafarelli's claim. Wouldn't that be a counter claim to the journalist article's claimer?

Lichtmann even votes Cafarelli's target without asking Cafarelli any questions:


This just seems illogical behavior to me somehow. At least if you try to be a critical thinker.

To me, Cafarelli clearly lied about not wanting to claim initially if you look at the post in which she votes Cohen up. She immediately criticized the second journalist article.

Ah, sorry for the tunnel in my posts. Not to worry, I have been keeping track of many other players, I'm just more vocal about ones that I am interested in lynching.

[FM Monroe]

Name who you have bussed so we can clear it up. Your notes need some work.

And the host already pretty much confirmed 3 rbers in the game as well from day one.

As for 3rd bus name who you have then i will say 3rd

Lichtmann, what is your opinion on the second journalist article vs. Cafarelli's claim?

[FM Parker]

Name who you have bussed so we can clear it up. Your notes need some work.

And the host already pretty much confirmed 3 rbers in the game as well from day one.

As for 3rd bus name who you have then i will say 3rd

My notes have you and Galloway as bussed claimers? Who is the third?

[FM Parker]

Lichtmann, what is your opinion on the second journalist article vs. Cafarelli's claim?

I do believe Cafarelli is right that a mafia wrote that article. A) No mention of who the investigator checked. B) Our calculations say there is no mafia investigator. This sounds like someone is wanting us to believe there are more roleblockers in the game than their actually are.

The article doesn't say what roles are likely in the game. That would be a huge help to the town right now.

The article strongly FoSes Mason due to the timing of his claim.

[FM Monroe]

I am.

[FM Ackerman]

Has anyone compiled a player link list?

[FM Parker]

@Monroe/Lichtmann, did either of you two get a feedback PM with the bussed feedback twice?

[FM Ackerman]

I am.

For clarification, he was bussed Link

[FM Ackerman]

@Monroe/Lichtmann, did either of you two get a feedback PM with the bussed feedback twice?

No, mafia would use one on themselves to keep up the deception of the role list, if and when we can nail down a role list the mafia is a lot less potent.

[FM Colmyer]

He died of an overdose.

[FM Colmyer]

He was an addict.

[FM Hopgood]

Didnt you already said that?

[FM Parker]

No, mafia would use one on themselves to keep up the deception of the role list, if and when we can nail down a role list the mafia is a lot less potent.

That's precisely what I am trying to do. However, your post implies there is a kidnapper. That would mean that we'd have

Godfather/Drug Dealer/Blackmailer/Blackmailer/Kidnapper....

There's no room for the consort.

If we take out a blackmailer then we can have a kidnapper, but a lot of these "trolls" cannot hide behind blackmailed/DD.

That means

GF/Consort/Kidnapper/Blackmailer/DD

In either scenario, there is no room for a consigliere.

[FM Lichtmann]

@Monroe/Lichtmann, did either of you two get a feedback PM with the bussed feedback twice?

check post #14

[FM Hopgood]

That's precisely what I am trying to do. However, your post implies there is a kidnapper. That would mean that we'd have

Godfather/Drug Dealer/Blackmailer/Blackmailer/Kidnapper....

There's no room for the consort.

If we take out a blackmailer then we can have a kidnapper, but a lot of these "trolls" cannot hide behind blackmailed/DD.

That means

GF/Consort/Kidnapper/Blackmailer/DD

In either scenario, there is no room for a consigliere.

So there is no poisoners either?

[FM Lichtmann]

That's precisely what I am trying to do. However, your post implies there is a kidnapper. That would mean that we'd have

Godfather/Drug Dealer/Blackmailer/Blackmailer/Kidnapper....

There's no room for the consort.

If we take out a blackmailer then we can have a kidnapper, but a lot of these "trolls" cannot hide behind blackmailed/DD.

That means

GF/Consort/Kidnapper/Blackmailer/DD

In either scenario, there is no room for a consigliere.

You think theres 2 DD? I thinks thats a bs thing to think and we think the drug was poision.

[FM Lichtmann]

You think theres 2 blackmailers*? I thinks thats a bs thing to think and we think the drug was poision.

God I can't get things right.

[FM Ackerman]

That's precisely what I am trying to do. However, your post implies there is a kidnapper. That would mean that we'd have

Godfather/Drug Dealer/Blackmailer/Blackmailer/Kidnapper....
5

There's no room for the consort.

If we take out a blackmailer then we can have a kidnapper, but a lot of these "trolls" cannot hide behind blackmailed/DD.

That means

GF/Consort/Kidnapper/Blackmailer/DD
5

In either scenario, there is no room for a consigliere.

Godfather 1
[Soma Dealer] 2
[Soma Dealer] 3
[Soma Dealer] 4
[Soma Dealer] 5
[Soma Dealer] 6

[FM Hopgood]

What make you guys so sure theres a kidnapper?