Noobs these days

[TheDarkestLight]

The stupidity of people amazes me. They think my save is a troll one.
Tell me if it is,
Mafioso
Mafia Support
Mafia Deception
Mafia Random
Investigator
Doctor
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Town Power
Town Random
Town Random
Town Random
Neutral Benign
Neutral Evil

They see four Mafia and go "Herp Derp, 4 Mafia is BS lets RQ. So a bunch of people RQ and when the Town loses everyone is like "Fuck Mafia so OP in this save host sucks dick" even though the Town lost because so many Townies RQed, just because it was four Mafia. I don't like 9v3v3, so I changed it, although very slightly, to 9v4v2. Then I even removed the GF and made it a Mafioso to try to make people rage less, yet they do it anyway. The noobs don't seem to realize that the only reason the Town keeps losing in my save is because people always RQ when it starts. When no one RQed the Town actually won.

Any suggestions on how to keep my save as it is, yet not cause people to rage?

[NoctiZ]

Sneak it in. Distract them with something else to rage about in chat. Other than that, I don't see hope for this save being used without people ragequitting like you described. Except playing with smart players, but that isn't going to happen.

[kyle1234513]

i like the save so long as there can never be a GF, i would like it better if there were 1 or 2 more townies, like citizens or cannon fodder to stall for another night. but 15player cap...


neut evil seems kinda hopeless, if its witch its gunna be a 5th mafia and widely imbalance against the town. if its cult then cult would be UP cuz of 4 mafia, way too large and would depend on town doing its job very effectivley to be getting rid of mafia.

and if it turned to be a neut killer it would be just that, a neut killer. imo it would work better in the save.

ultimetly i would tradeoff neut benign for a town core. and trade neut evil for neut killing, and then this save word work well with me

[TheDarkestLight]

i like the save so long as there can never be a GF, i would like it better if there were 1 or 2 more townies, like citizens or cannon fodder to stall for another night. but 15player cap...


neut evil seems kinda hopeless, if its witch its gunna be a 5th mafia and widely imbalance against the town. if its cult then cult would be UP cuz of 4 mafia, way too large and would depend on town doing its job very effectivley to be getting rid of mafia.

and if it turned to be a neut killer it would be just that, a neut killer. imo it would work better in the save.

ultimetly i would tradeoff neut benign for a town core. and trade neut evil for neut killing, and then this save word work well with me

People have no problem with the Neutrals from what I see, all they do is rage about the Mafia having four people. GF is only possible through Mafia Random and not even then because I disabled killing for that. So no GF. I think I might change the Neutral Evil though.

[Orpz]

Happened to me too, I tried it differently by doing 3v9v3, where my Any Random was Mafia Random (so it was 4v9v2). Same old leave train.

[Voss]

Happened to me too, I tried it differently by doing 3v9v3, where my Any Random was Mafia Random (so it was 4v9v2). Same old leave train.

distraction works, i can get my save through pubs sometimes. i have teh same one.

[Lysergic]

Solution: play in-house.

[Jim]

People always say my save is a troll save, but someone gets suicide hotline every game.

[Sleepy]

Solution: play in-house.

I'm new here. How do I play in house with people on this forum? How do I play mafia on ranked games?

[Lysergic]

Use the Mafia chat channel or Mafia in-game group to talk to other players who are online. Create a custom lobby for Mafia and invite people from the channels.

Alternatively, make a thread on here and set up a specific time so that more people are online.

[TheDarkestLight]

Solution: play in-house.

Hmmmm, if its possible...

[RLVG]

Spoiler : My explaination of why Any Random is good :

This is my setup :

Godfather
Mafia Random
Mafia Random
Any Random (Allow killers, exclude Town)
Amnesiac
Neutral Benign
Town Core
Town Core
Town Investigation
Town Investigation
Town Protective
Town Protective
Town Power
Town Random
Town Random

Though this looks weird, the setup is actually not unbalanced as it depends on how good the players are.
Any random : The 4th Mafia, The neutral killer, Witch / Cult, The 3rd Benign.
Mainly, the setup is to make most stay while maintaining variety. The town looks favored so the few citizen would be more likely to stay, so role-quitters are less likely to occur for me.

You could take inspiration with the Any Random, perhaps as a disguise for the 4th mafia.
Replace "Mafia Random" with :
Any Random : Exclude Town / Neutral, depending on your save - Exclude Killing Yes / No.

[Anguss]

TROLL SAVE! OMG, BBQ.. LEAVE TRAIN

[Espozito]

If you are host, type this "Guys, I am going to suggest a save with 4 mafia members but it is fully balanced. If you don't want it, simply say it and I will repick the host. Just don't leave" Worked for me, noone left. The first time they didn't accept to play, but next lobby did want to try it and we had fun ^^

[louiswill]

You need put into consideration that now days there are 99% 2 of the towns are trolls. so if you add a neutral evil, 4 mafia....Good luck for town.

I believe the power of mafia is not centralized on godfather.

Mafia can lynch day 2 if a possible retard veteran accidentally kill 3 towns night 1.

3 town random also gave a lot of space for liars.

I hope the neutral evil can exclude witch so mafia has some opponent.

This save also gives almost no chance for cultist,

considering 4 people can not be converted and would be happy to lynch cultist to skip the day.

[Cryptonic]

You need put into consideration that now days there are 99% 2 of the towns are trolls. so if you add a neutral evil, 4 mafia....Good luck for town.

I believe the power of mafia is not centralized on godfather.

Mafia can lynch day 2 if a possible retard veteran accidentally kill 3 towns night 1.

3 town random also gave a lot of space for liars.

I hope the neutral evil can exclude witch so mafia has some opponent.

This save also gives almost no chance for cultist,

considering 4 people can not be converted and would be happy to lynch cultist to skip the day.

Honestly, it'd be better if the Evil Neutral was a witch than anything else. 1 anti-town KPN is awesome for Town.
Also, your cultist excuse is bad. If there is SK/Arson/MM + 3 Maf, then there is 4 they can't convert too... which is the basis for all saves.

[louiswill]

Honestly, it'd be better if the Evil Neutral was a witch than anything else. 1 anti-town KPN is awesome for Town.
Also, your cultist excuse is bad. If there is SK/Arson/MM + 3 Maf, then there is 4 they can't convert too... which is the basis for all saves.

that is why cultists fails. cultists always cripple towns and die all together.

Cultist should help town kill all killers and then consider victory.

when you get a consig, it is easy to hang cultists.

If I play witch, the game will strongly favors mafia. as long as town failed to get 1 mafia hanged in first 3 days.

Neutral benign would rather choose to side with mafia too.

You rarely see jesters want to against mafia*. Survivor rather chill by itself.

Then the problem is simple, the first 3 days will be the critical game point.

when you see sheriff yell "4 is mafia! Lynch" and then town just sit and idle.

You know public comes true.

It is a fine save for decent player like yourself.

[Lazers]

Yep Yep

Most pubbies go into a temper tantrum when your setup isn't the standard 9-3-3

And they'll still cry murder if it doesn't have at least 5 set roles

[Markers]

Most pubs are too stupid for town to possibly win in a set up like that, anyway. It looks like a fun one, no doubt, but when you take into account the general IQ of the average player, mafia's sitting pretty.

[TheDarkestLight]

Most pubs are too stupid for town to possibly win in a set up like that, anyway. It looks like a fun one, no doubt, but when you take into account the general IQ of the average player, mafia's sitting pretty.

A Town with even half a brain would decimate the Mafia and any Evils. If people in Mafia got smart the Town win rate would go up to like, 80-95%, with the rest being Mafia with godly skills.

[Markers]

An in house set of people could certainly do what you said. I'm not knocking your save, I actually quite like it (maybe replace the Evil with a Killing). Problem is, most pub Towns don't have half a brain to speak of. :P

[Anguss]

Well, I can never decide if people in public games are really that stupid or if its just always filled with trolls.. Probably a mix of the two.