M-FM XIV Blazer's Experiment Gamethread

[M-FM Subject 8]

Hey guys, I'm back. Reread, now I'm rereading again to be me.

[M-FM Subject 8]

10 is as good as a lynch like 11. Why do you buddy with trolls 8? I thought you were better than this. But it seems you lack experience.

Because it's Day One. I can contribute and troll at the same time. We have very little to go on besides posts, much of which are fluff. And yes, you could say that I rack disiprin. And Experience.

[M-FM Subject 8]

Just a not so friendly message I would like to tell everyone
ACTING AS SCUM IS BAD
WHY? You might ask
1. You will risk getting lynched
2. You will waste valuable discussion time
3. You will waste valuable investigative results
4. Scum can act more freely when everybody is focused onto you
5. I can go deeper, but you get my point

Not necessarily true:
1. Which will keep you alive at night.
2. You can still contribute and scumhunt even when people think you're scum.
3. You have time to get investigative results for yourself.
4. Not necessarily. This is sometimes true, but when you control your scumminess, you can be watching for that.
5. There are certainly pros and cons. Day One is certainly a situation where this can be good. Late-game, acting as scum is probably bad.

[M-FM Subject 8]

Oh btw. If you get bitten tonight claim it tomorrow. The doctor can cure you the next night. If you don't do this and you are town you are game throwing and you will be the new Goremancer of Sc2mafia. REMEMBER THIS!

This point's been raised, but Spree Killer. It might be a good idea only to have the doctor purge him a few days later.

[M-FM Subject 8]

SUBJECT 1 2 3 5 ETC. VOTE SUBJECT 11 AND WE CAN END THIS DAY WITH A GREAT EXPERIEMENT!

What are your opinions of Psy, Obama, and myself?

[M-FM Subject 16]

I thought a doctor will kill a bitten person?

[M-FM Subject 16]

What are your opinions of Psy, Obama, and myself?

404 is not going to provide any help or cognitive reasoning today.

[M-FM Subject 8]

If this setup has a Spree killer Town was screwed from start. This would be utterly unfair.

I wouldn't rule it out. It's possible that he randomed the roles, and it's possible that Blazer balanced hidden roles around there being a Spree Killer. Remember that town does get a great advantage in the Citizens having a night chat.

[M-FM Subject 16]

I wouldn't rule it out. It's possible that he randomed the roles, and it's possible that Blazer balanced hidden roles around there being a Spree Killer. Remember that town does get a great advantage in the Citizens having a night chat.

if a bitten citizen knows the identity of the others then all citi's are fucked. or the town rather.

[M-FM Subject 8]

So I've been loosely following along while I was at work on my phone. At first I could not understand what the big deal was about my RP; I've since caught on. Honestly, I only skimmed Blaze's RP. I know my role and I understand the mechanics, that I read thoroughly, but I didn't pay too much mind to the RP of the game. I just assumed that we were all abducted and had no memory and were being subjected to these experiments. I was just having some day 1 fun. There's no WIFOM, there's no slip. It was a simple oversight; I'm really not so bold or stupid as to make that kind of claim on day 1. I won't be roleclaiming on day 1 for what should be obvious reasons. I also won't be voting for anyone else because day 1 lynch gambles are nothing more and nothing less than flat out gambles. I'd like that we at least establish a foundation of evidence and claims before we actually start stringing anyone up.

I have some catching up to do otherwise. I was skimming around at work, I need to read through more thoroughly.

What are your opinions on me, Psy, Error 404, and Obama?

Why did you not post? You can easily make an "I'm here" post from your phone at work, especially since much of my case against you was that you disappeared without mentioning it.

If you didn't read the RP, how do you know that we're in an experiment? How do you know that some people have lost their memories? Did you just *conveniently* miss that portion of the RP in the rolecard?

The more experienced players suggest that a random lynch is preferable to a no lynch, especially in a cult game.

Why have you vanished? It's been nine hours since that post, but you have yet to explain your new disappearance.

[M-FM Subject 8]

Is that all your defense? Do you realize that you were almost lynched today?

Can you tell us anything more about yourself?

What is your opinion on Psy, Error, Eleven, Obama, and myself?

[Blazer]

Are we allowed to turn invisibility off?

Sure why not.

[M-FM Subject 8]

Eleven is quite right though. Truely what more can one say? Someone would have to be a complete idiot to claim today.

What are your opinions on Psy, Error, Obama, Eleven, and myself?

[M-FM Subject 16]

What are your opinions on Psy, Error, Obama, Eleven, and myself?

what is yours on 17? I wonder

[M-FM Subject 8]

@Subject 1

Places a ~connection~ to Subject 8 by way of constant talking back and forth. Enforces it with a "You are solid town in my book."
I agree with the things he said about Obama. Did no one else catch Romney trying to butt into the day with an instant attack on me, then disappear when I went back at him?

-vote M-FM Subject 15

It wasn't a "~connection~". We were simply the only contributors posting at the time.

[M-FM Subject 17]

What is your opinion on Psy, Error, Eleven, Obama, and myself?

Why are you avoiding me

[M-FM Subject 8]

All i see from you this game is crap. Sry to let you know.

Calm yourself.

[M-FM Subject 8]

Why are you avoiding me

I'm on page 9 atm, I'll get to you eventually.

[M-FM Subject 17]

I'm on page 9 atm, I'll get to you eventually.

[M-FM Subject 16]

I am off for now, gotta eat and study. I'll be back

[M-FM Subject 17]

I am off for now, gotta eat and study. I'll be back

Bye Honey. I'll Miss You.

[M-FM Subject 16]

Bye Honey. I'll Miss You.

8/10 made me rofl

[M-FM Subject 8]

I am not FoS ing anybody. I say lynch 15 and that's it. Since he is scum.

You can't possibly know that. Especially on Day One. Yes, he's acting scummy, but so is Eleven. I'd be happy with lynching either right now, but, if we try to lynch Obama instead of Eleven, it's possible that a no-lynch could occur. I'd prefer a lynch to a no-lynch today.

[M-FM Subject 8]

1: Psy
2:
3: SQUIRREL
4: L4D/Left for Dead
5: Agent F
6: Satan
7:
8: Octavarium
9: Commando
10: Error/Subject 404
11: Eleven
12: Mitt Romney
13: No. 13
14: Diggle
15: Barack Obama
16: Clay
17: Rolex
18: Moon
19: Mr.Triangle
20:

I had to

You sick bastard.

[M-FM Subject 17]

You can't possibly know that. Especially on Day One. Yes, he's acting scummy, but so is Eleven. I'd be happy with lynching either right now, but, if we try to lynch Obama instead of Eleven, it's possible that a no-lynch could occur. I'd prefer a lynch to a no-lynch today.

Why is getting a lynch off so important to you?
What if 11 is a citizen and as such lynching him puts town down further then not lynching him today.

[M-FM Subject 8]

I just feel trolled if people come out of the lurker corner and try to criticize the day flow while just swimming with the flow. Since guess what?????

SCUMMMMcumumCUM. That's right. OP OP OP SCUMDAM STYLE!

He's not necessarily a lurker. Some people have certain engagements on certain days, and can't be as active as you or me. He came back and commented on what he saw. I don't regard that as scummy.

[M-FM Subject 8]

Off for 20 minutes to eat breakfast.

[M-FM Subject 11]

1 What are your opinions on me, Psy, Error 404, and Obama?

2 Why did you not post? You can easily make an "I'm here" post from your phone at work, especially since much of my case against you was that you disappeared without mentioning it.

3 If you didn't read the RP, how do you know that we're in an experiment? How do you know that some people have lost their memories? Did you just *conveniently* miss that portion of the RP in the rolecard?

4 The more experienced players suggest that a random lynch is preferable to a no lynch, especially in a cult game.

5 Why have you vanished? It's been nine hours since that post, but you have yet to explain your new disappearance.

1 I have no opinions to share at the moment. It's troll day. All it is good for is retrospective comparison.

2 This statement is devoid of considerations of other people's live's and is generally stupid.

3 Learn to read. I didn't say that I didn't read it, I said that I skimmed it. I got almost all of my information from Here. Notice that the 'rolecards' there don't include RP. I skimmed through the actual RP rolecards, all of them, but there were a ton of videos making it difficult to focus on the information, so I took what I skimmed and left it be as it wasn't that important to the actual game.

4 This statement is subjective drivel.

5 I work and I sleep. That's not vanishing, that's having a real life outside of FM.

[M-FM Subject 8]

I am back, and what have we accomplished? nothing.

-vote M-FM Subject 15

he made 3 slips which I consider scum.

cannonfodder: 10, 11, 17

I think its best if jailor jails 6 or (if not lynched) 15

what did it for me was the claiming afk and asleep but coming back to check if a train has started against him. choo choo lynch train here we go, get your tickets now!

Why is Satan a good jailor target? And why isn't Eleven?

[M-FM Subject 8]

I thought a doctor will kill a bitten person?

Once the infection has completed, yes. In the day before the infection takes effect, the doctor can cure the infection.

[M-FM Subject 8]

404 is not going to provide any help or cognitive reasoning today.

Then he needs to die.

[M-FM Subject 8]

Why is getting a lynch off so important to you?
What if 11 is a citizen and as such lynching him puts town down further then not lynching him today.

The case has been made by more experienced players that, in a cult game, any lynch is preferable to a no lynch.

[M-FM Subject 17]

The case has been made by more experienced players that, in a cult game, any lynch is preferable to a no lynch.

Ask me questions.
I'm bloody bored here

[M-FM Subject 11]

The case has been made by more experienced players that, in a cult game, any lynch is preferable to a no lynch.

Yeah, except when it's a town at the end of the rope. Day 1 lynches are gambles. If you really want to role the dice and hope that you don't land on any of the 2/3s of us that are town, go right ahead and take such a shitty bet. But appealing to the "more experienced players" is a fallacy. There is no argument to be made that will make a day one lynch anything more than a gamble that has a 2/3s chance of hurting town.

[M-FM Subject 8]

1 I have no opinions to share at the moment. It's troll day. All it is good for is retrospective comparison.

2 This statement is devoid of considerations of other people's live's and is generally stupid.

3 Learn to read. I didn't say that I didn't read it, I said that I skimmed it. I got almost all of my information from Here. Notice that the 'rolecards' there don't include RP. I skimmed through the actual RP rolecards, all of them, but there were a ton of videos making it difficult to focus on the information, so I took what I skimmed and left it be as it wasn't that important to the actual game.

4 This statement is subjective drivel.

5 I work and I sleep. That's not vanishing, that's having a real life outside of FM.

1. It's only troll day if people make it troll day. Myself and Psy, along with certain others like Clay, Rolex, and Satan have actually contributed to discussion.

2. You said you were following the game on your phone. What's to stop you from posting "Hey, I'm at work, calm down and wait until I get home."?

3. Did you not at least fully read the RP in your role card?

4. Way to disagree without presenting a counterargument. I believe the logic is that, even if a random lynch hits town, it's not so bad because that just removes another potential cult recruit.

5. Then say something. Posting that you're going to be leaving is only protown. While you were gone, we weren't sure if you were a jester just lurking until you won, or a mafia pretending to be that.

[M-FM Subject 8]

what is yours on 17? I wonder

He seems protown enough, but he isn't really standing out to me. PR or scum trying to hide behind the town.

[M-FM Subject 8]

Yeah, except when it's a town at the end of the rope. Day 1 lynches are gambles. If you really want to role the dice and hope that you don't land on any of the 2/3s of us that are town, go right ahead and take such a shitty bet. But appealing to the "more experienced players" is a fallacy. There is no argument to be made that will make a day one lynch anything more than a gamble that has a 2/3s chance of hurting town.

Why do you consider them gambles? Because there are no PRs to have done anything last night? What if no one finds scum tomorrow, but there are still scummy posts? What about the next day? Relying on night actions can be helpful, but using them as the end-all-be-all of scumhunting is not a good idea.

[M-FM Subject 17]

-vote M-FM Subject 11

Your claim or your lynch shall help town

[M-FM Subject 8]

Off for an hour and a half-ish.

[M-FM Subject 11]

1. It's only troll day if people make it troll day. Myself and Psy, along with certain others like Clay, Rolex, and Satan have actually contributed to discussion.

2. You said you were following the game on your phone. What's to stop you from posting "Hey, I'm at work, calm down and wait until I get home."?

3. Did you not at least fully read the RP in your role card?

4. Way to disagree without presenting a counterargument. I believe the logic is that, even if a random lynch hits town, it's not so bad because that just removes another potential cult recruit.

5. Then say something. Posting that you're going to be leaving is only protown. While you were gone, we weren't sure if you were a jester just lurking until you won, or a mafia pretending to be that.

Your short sighted perspective is astounding. I have no interest in repeating myself this much. I've explained my mistake and I explained why lynching day 1 is bad. If you really want to go on believing that lynching town is an ok thing to do, by all means be a moron, but don't expect me to agree with it. Nor will I continue to defend the fact that I have real life responsibilities and allow you to believe that assuming malice where RL is the response is somehow an effective way to scumhunt.

If what I've said thus far is not good enough for you then tough shit. You'll just have to lynch me and I'll laugh as I go sign-up for another FM knowing that I dodged the bullet that is the self imploding town.

[M-FM Subject 11]

Why do you consider them gambles? Because there are no PRs to have done anything last night? What if no one finds scum tomorrow, but there are still scummy posts? What about the next day? Relying on night actions can be helpful, but using them as the end-all-be-all of scumhunting is not a good idea.

One word: Jailor.

You are really proving your worth here.

[M-FM Subject 17]

-unvote

I have revisited all of his posts and I believe I know his role.

[M-FM Subject 11]

To all:

Establishing a scummy post requires context. In FM, context = claims and evidence; of which we have neither. A 'scummy post' is either going to have some sort of logical mishap, generally regarding mechanics, or it's going to say something that is subjectively perceived as anti-town or pro-scum. Without context, your subjective hunch doesn't actually establish it's own validity beyond itself, it is only something to note until you establish the required context.

Without context, a lynch is effectively a gamble as it relies on the subjective perceptions of the players rather than empirical consideration. Now, if you're ok with a 33% chance of landing on a baddie, then by all means take that risk. But myself and many others are not willing to take the 66% gamble over hitting a townie, of up to 50% are PRs.

In my opinion, it is too early to take such risks. Citizen's are the only roles to me that are arguably expendable but losing any PR role this early puts us at a significant disadvantage in the long game.

[M-FM Subject 13]

If 11 turns out to be the role that I think he is, I would like to applaud him on his play so far today. If he's anything other than that one role though, then I would smh so bad at him.

For now, though, I would suggest that we do not lynch 11, and see what happens tonight in the night actions.

[M-FM Subject 17]

If 11 turns out to be the role that I think he is, I would like to applaud him on his play so far today. If he's anything other than that one role though, then I would smh so bad at him.

For now, though, I would suggest that we do not lynch 11, and see what happens tonight in the night actions.

Avatar of number 17 detailed by watches?

[M-FM Subject 12]

2 words; Cult Setup. Atm, we only have 5 town threats. However, we also have a very high KPN/CPN for such a small game. If we make a mistake and lynch a town, it really isn't going to be that bad in the grand scheme of things with the very high KPN. However, if we lynch someone and they DO turn out scum, we just effectively wiped out a KPN, and possibly saved quite a few townies from death at their hands.

The lynch is towns kill. While I may vote for someone else, all 11's doing instead of defending himself is saying we should lynch no one, which is a pretty dreadful defence. It's a Cult Setup, so no lynching is a pretty poor move.

[M-FM Subject 12]

If 11 turns out to be the role that I think he is, I would like to applaud him on his play so far today. If he's anything other than that one role though, then I would smh so bad at him.

For now, though, I would suggest that we do not lynch 11, and see what happens tonight in the night actions.

Ah yes, the art of acting scummy, but getting lynched because you're acting scummy.

[M-FM Subject 11]

2 words; Cult Setup. Atm, we only have 5 town threats. However, we also have a very high KPN/CPN for such a small game. If we make a mistake and lynch a town, it really isn't going to be that bad in the grand scheme of things with the very high KPN. However, if we lynch someone and they DO turn out scum, we just effectively wiped out a KPN, and possibly saved quite a few townies from death at their hands.

The lynch is towns kill. While I may vote for someone else, all 11's doing instead of defending himself is saying we should lynch no one, which is a pretty dreadful defence. It's a Cult Setup, so no lynching is a pretty poor move.

Jailor: Jail someone at night. Has 2 executions. Jailing provides immunity to killing, but not infection. May not jail after a lynch.

Are you really that short sighted?

[M-FM Subject 14]

I agree with 11 on that. We should let Jailor jail.

[M-FM Subject 10]

I SEE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR FELLOW INFECTED

WE DONT EVEN KNO THERE IS A JAILOR YA DOOOFUSES ONLY CONFIRMED VIGI

ALSO 15 MADE A WHOLE COMPELLING ARGUMENT ABOUT HOW DAY ONE LYNCHES ARE BAD ONLY AFTER HE HAD VOTES ON HIM

I STILL SAY WE SHOULD GET 11 AND VIGI SHOULD SHOOT 15

DEPENDING ON WHICH IS EVIL WE CAN CHECK 4 THE PEOPLE WHO DEFENDERED HIM