Romney or Obama?

[TimeTrx]

yes.
Which ads, though? Is it in this site?

I was referring to the Television ads. But why does Obama have so much?

[Jim]

I was referring to the Television ads. But why does Obama have so much?

Because Obama actually runs his won campaign with ads and things. The Republicans just have pacs that are "non-affiliated" with the campaign and they are the ones who run the Republican ads.

[Tossangel]

Because Obama actually runs his won campaign with ads and things. The Republicans just have pacs that are "non-affiliated" with the campaign and they are the ones who run the Republican ads.

Whaaat?? They both have super pacs that run ads!

[Dmpk]

lol, should be a one 6 year term like Mexico, they don't have to worry about re-election so they just do what they think is right.
The other thing I like is parliament because the executive and legislative branch are fused so that their Prime minister is in the group with a majority so they can pass whatever they want until the next election (they have 5 years to call an election and once they call it there is 30 days so they aren't attack adds or anything else we have its just how the country is doing and what the party stands for.)

Lol ya... use Mexico as a "great solution to America's problem.."

Oh wait...
They are more poor than us. No thanks to Mexican ways? Kthx.

Whos the lesser of the two evils...hmm.. Lets just hang them both

Why?

My Facts were correct. The final vote was 220 dems yay, 33 dems nay and 178 repubs nay. Not a single republican vote in favor of it. Thankfully, the dems lost 60+ seats in the house in the next election and therefore losing the majority. This put a stop to them being in control of the house, senate AND white house. Pelosi said "we have to pass the bill to know whats in it". I dont think a single person who voted for it read this piece of legislation in its entirety. What fact did I state needs checked in your opinion??

Now saying Obamacare was written by Romney and a majority repub committee....I dont know what u are talking about there. R u referring to the Massachusetts law that Obamacare was loosely based on? Hardly the same as writing "the whole damn thing"?

First off free health care is essential in times of financial crisis. We are in one of the worst US based financial crisis's since being established as a country... with that in mind, the free health care situation makes complete sense and the basis behind passing such a bill makes even more sense. I don't care if I have to pay more in taxes (which I do not.)

Second off if your going to spread filth... at least don't back up someone as retarded as Mitt Romney. The man lies directly to your face and directly contradicts himself over a dozen times in the last few weeks... How can you even defend someone who can't even keep a story straight =/.

Third off, as previously stated https://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ has the facts you are looking for in this situation. There are also charts to show Obama is one of the lowest spenders in American president history. He has NOT raised taxes, despite the republicans idealism... and now that he is finally starting to get a hold on everything, the republicans automatically assume it to be a "conspiracy."

End result? You are retarded if you back republicans right now, if for no other reason than Mitt Romney, the direct representative has lied far to many times to be trusted or respected.

To be honest I don't like either of them. If mitt wasn't such a douche bag...i might vote for him. I just wish someone could come into office, not worry about staying another term and just do the fucking job. It seems to me the candidates only care about making the other look bad.

I don't see how this is relevant. Obama has never personally endorsed an attack on Mitt Romney, and he only has called him out on contradictory statements made, which any intelligent person hopefully would do in this situation. The reason they defame eachother so much is because they have a job that means representing every American in the US. This means that before the public votes, they want ALL the information on the table.

If you want the job done right, look at the books. Obama is doing fine, vote for him. He's spent far less than any other president, he has actively cared for the poor and the sick... Things that are significant.

That is very true...

Maybe terms should only last a year or so?

Then people could vote on whether to vote them in for a new term, and if not, the candidates would be introduced.

That way, the president would focus more on doing a good job to please the people instead of dissing the other candidates...

Most don't. The people who actually "dis" constantly are the corporations that sponsor the defamatory adds. If u got a problem with the defamatory adds then you just need to stop supporting the companies who fund them, easy.

I can't vote. I'm not American, though I was in America yesterday. I set up a P.O. box so I can ship American gold to it then export it without reporting it. So I don't have to pay massive export taxes and boost my local profit by taking from the American market that is. Then I sell it to foreign buyers, and again not paying taxes because its American gold not Canadian, I can move it without taxes to a foreign bank (like Australia or China) or sell it back to an another American bank/holding with my time and effort added to the cost.

This is a joke.

Yeah tax dodging... your retarded. Hope you go to jail, and I've already reported this in it's entirety to the authorities. Not that it will matter, but you are stealing from my economy.

If terms were a year the president would never do anything.

Wouldn't have time.

The only way I would be open to voting for a 3rd party is if I was ok with either the dem or the repub candidate winning but preferred the 3rd party candidate. In this case I am in the anyone but Obama camp. Therefore, Romney gets my vote.

Thats because your a racist, or an inbred retard. You know nothing about whats good for this world, and as a result you'll never truly live to appreciate it.

Really, I'm in the anyone but Romney camp. We appear to have a disagreement. I vote we settle this with a duel.

I highly endorse this.

Fact basis : Romney lies to me.

Good thing mafia doesn't make up the voting community or someone as shitty as obama would win.

Lol he will win... I have faith in the intellect of our prestigious South western states.

Is it just me or does Obama have like way more ads than Romney? I have seen 8 for Obama and 1 for Romney. Don't ads cost money?

Yeah.

Whaaat?? They both have super pacs that run ads!

They both have millions of dollars in advertising money as a result of corporate companies giving it to them.

[creedkingsx]

God damn, nigga.
o.o

Just remember, Romney hates Big Bird.

[Ash]

God damn, nigga.
o.o

Just remember, Romney hates Big Bird.

[Dmpk]

God damn, nigga.
o.o

Just remember, Romney hates Big Bird.

i kno right

[Ash]

Spoiler : asdf :

Lol ya... use Mexico as a "great solution to America's problem.."

Oh wait...
They are more poor than us. No thanks to Mexican ways? Kthx.



Why?



First off free health care is essential in times of financial crisis. We are in one of the worst US based financial crisis's since being established as a country... with that in mind, the free health care situation makes complete sense and the basis behind passing such a bill makes even more sense. I don't care if I have to pay more in taxes (which I do not.)

Second off if your going to spread filth... at least don't back up someone as retarded as Mitt Romney. The man lies directly to your face and directly contradicts himself over a dozen times in the last few weeks... How can you even defend someone who can't even keep a story straight =/.

Third off, as previously stated https://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ has the facts you are looking for in this situation. There are also charts to show Obama is one of the lowest spenders in American president history. He has NOT raised taxes, despite the republicans idealism... and now that he is finally starting to get a hold on everything, the republicans automatically assume it to be a "conspiracy."

End result? You are retarded if you back republicans right now, if for no other reason than Mitt Romney, the direct representative has lied far to many times to be trusted or respected.



I don't see how this is relevant. Obama has never personally endorsed an attack on Mitt Romney, and he only has called him out on contradictory statements made, which any intelligent person hopefully would do in this situation. The reason they defame eachother so much is because they have a job that means representing every American in the US. This means that before the public votes, they want ALL the information on the table.

If you want the job done right, look at the books. Obama is doing fine, vote for him. He's spent far less than any other president, he has actively cared for the poor and the sick... Things that are significant.



Most don't. The people who actually "dis" constantly are the corporations that sponsor the defamatory adds. If u got a problem with the defamatory adds then you just need to stop supporting the companies who fund them, easy.




Yeah tax dodging... your retarded. Hope you go to jail, and I've already reported this in it's entirety to the authorities. Not that it will matter, but you are stealing from my economy.




Wouldn't have time.



Thats because your a racist, or an inbred retard. You know nothing about whats good for this world, and as a result you'll never truly live to appreciate it.



I highly endorse this.

Fact basis : Romney lies to me.



Lol he will win... I have faith in the intellect of our prestigious South western states.



Yeah.



They both have millions of dollars in advertising money as a result of corporate companies giving it to them.

calling other people retarded and etc etc doesn't help your case btw

[TimeTrx]

First off free health care is essential in times of financial crisis. We are in one of the worst US based financial crisis's since being established as a country... with that in mind, the free health care situation makes complete sense and the basis behind passing such a bill makes even more sense. I don't care if I have to pay more in taxes (which I do not.)

Everyone has to pay taxes. Everyone would have to pay more taxes if it was enforced.

The man lies directly to your face and directly contradicts himself over a dozen times in the last few weeks... How can you even defend someone who can't even keep a story straight =/.

Obviously you never have talked to a politician.

Third off, as previously stated https://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ has the facts you are looking for in this situation. There are also charts to show Obama is one of the lowest spenders in American president history. He has NOT raised taxes, despite the republicans idealism... and now that he is finally starting to get a hold on everything, the republicans automatically assume it to be a "conspiracy."

Back it up then with legit facts then. Don't spread your ideas without citing sources.

End result? You are retarded if you back republicans right now, if for no other reason than Mitt Romney, the direct representative has lied far to many times to be trusted or respected.

Politician. Sure just as we are all human, we all have flaws. Obama =/= perfect. Romney =/= perfect. I sure Obama has lied before.

I don't see how this is relevant. Obama has never personally endorsed an attack on Mitt Romney, and he only has called him out on contradictory statements made, which any intelligent person hopefully would do in this situation. The reason they defame eachother so much is because they have a job that means representing every American in the US. This means that before the public votes, they want ALL the information on the table.

Cite your sources. Don't be a bigot.

If you want the job done right, look at the books. Obama is doing fine, vote for him. He's spent far less than any other president, he has actively cared for the poor and the sick... Things that are significant.

Cite sources: https://www.ammoland.com/2012/01/01/o...#axzz29UZJ4gdY

Most don't. The people who actually "dis" constantly are the corporations that sponsor the defamatory adds. If u got a problem with the defamatory adds then you just need to stop supporting the companies who fund them, easy.

What?

Yeah tax dodging... your retarded. Hope you go to jail, and I've already reported this in it's entirety to the authorities. Not that it will matter, but you are stealing from my economy.

What?

Thats because your a racist, or an inbred retard. You know nothing about whats good for this world, and as a result you'll never truly live to appreciate it.

You should stop being a bigot. That is offensive.

[creedkingsx]

[Dmpk]

Everyone has to pay taxes. Everyone would have to pay more taxes if it was enforced.


Obviously you never have talked to a politician.


Back it up then with legit facts then. Don't spread your ideas without citing sources.

Politician. Sure just as we are all human, we all have flaws. Obama =/= perfect. Romney =/= perfect. I sure Obama has lied before.




Cite your sources. Don't be a bigot.



Cite sources: https://www.ammoland.com/2012/01/01/o...#axzz29UZJ4gdY



What?




What?

You should stop being a bigot. That is offensive.

1. Obama has yet to lie to the American people (at least there is no proof) where as Romney has done so.

Sources :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aveRMQgzE0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=curfKaWmVs0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsCmiFcRyIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz0QCdkYJwI

For the record I also do not find "Ammoland" as a reputable website on government spending. I will work on finding my charts again, once I verify the sources.

My sources on Obama not saying anything negative about Mitt... It's called youtube. Just try and FIND something where he endorses a statement that is defamatory for the sake of defamatory conversation. You cannot find it, where I can find 10 on the first page when using Mitt Romney's name in place of Obama's.


Most don't. The people who actually "dis" constantly are the corporations that sponsor the defamatory adds. If u got a problem with the defamatory adds then you just need to stop supporting the companies who fund them, easy.
This means that the corporations paying for the commercial are responsible for the negative comments made. Not the president or even his offices. The end just says if you do not like to see that kind of hateful bashing on tv, you can STOP buying stuff from the companies who fund the hateful bashing. Example : Subway supported giving Michael Vick a contract worth xxxxxxx$ (i forgot how much it's been so long) and as a result of that, I and plenty of others STOPPED going to subway ever. It's called a "boycott" and it's used to non-aggressively make a statement. In this case, the statement being "Do not support people who kill animals cruelly." The same could be done for the negative ads in a presidential election of enough people were to care.

Yeah tax dodging... your retarded. Hope you go to jail, and I've already reported this in it's entirety to the authorities. Not that it will matter, but you are stealing from my economy.
This means I have turned the webpage information over to the local police. See tax evasion is actually a crime, and you just admitted to it here on this website. If the government REALLY wanted to devote some resources, they could now use your post as a pretense to trace your IP. Then they could begin finding any and all P.O boxes attached to your name (or follow you if you have it not in your name) and catch you in the act. The minimum amount of time for the level of tax and tariff evasion your currently committing is a minimum 2 year, maximum 7 year first time offense.

As for the "everyone has to pay more taxes" bullshit... I do not mind paying a little extra out of my hard earned money so that some poor kid in the ghetto can get the healthcare he deserves. The world is bad enough without parasites who want all the money to themselves. If you can't respect that, then your one of them =/. And thats just terrible.

[creedkingsx]

The police are going to see this?
Will it get on the news?
HI MOM!

[TimeTrx]

The police are going to see this?
Will it get on the news?
HI MOM!

I want to be on Cops. LOL.

[Dmpk]

I want to be on Cops. LOL.

Doubtful unless you live in the south and do something "Cops" worthy.... if you know what I mean.

The police are going to see this?
Will it get on the news?
HI MOM!

Doubtful, but it's a remote possibility if they feel it's a legitimate enough crime to spend time on. I can say for sure it's happened before.

[Ash]

Doubtful unless you live in the south and do something "Cops" worthy.... if you know what I mean.



Doubtful, but it's a remote possibility if they feel it's a legitimate enough crime to spend time on. I can say for sure it's happened before.

im gonna laugh when the so-called "cops" (cops dont go patrolling on the internet, fool. they got real-life crime to handle. u mean the FBI?) look at TimeTrx's post.

[TimeTrx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aveRMQgzE0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=curfKaWmVs0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsCmiFcRyIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz0QCdkYJwI

You doing it again! These are all opinion videos not real sources. Sources do not include personal opinion only facts.
I mean come on 1 has the last word which is just someones opinion on the subject. 3 and 4 are attack ads by the other party.

[Jim]

O and Dmpk, you know that Mexico has a better voter turnout and they the average person has more knowledge of the government then we do. They have lots of problems but their government system isn't one of them.

[Ash]

so who watched the 2nd debate? obama won (but he didnt win as good as romney did in the first debate) and got more aggressive towards the end of the debate

[creedkingsx]

Romney effectively proved, though, that he didn't care for the people's questions. He shrugged the moderator aside and intentionally took as long as he could to have every question drag out.

[Tossangel]

First off free health care is essential in times of financial crisis.

Nothing is free....

Thats because your a racist, or an inbred retard. You know nothing about whats good for this world, and as a result you'll never truly live to appreciate it.

Wow, you presume to know a lot about me from my few posts on this message board. When u don't have a good argument just resort to name calling...typical!

[Dmpk]

im gonna laugh when the so-called "cops" (cops dont go patrolling on the internet, fool. they got real-life crime to handle. u mean the FBI?) look at TimeTrx's post.

Internet fraud division. Call any California police department, and ask for it. They will direct you to a detective who specializes in investigating online fraud. This, as an admittion of guilt via a webpage is grounds for an investigation, IF the detective chose to. It's his call though.

You doing it again! These are all opinion videos not real sources. Sources do not include personal opinion only facts.
I mean come on 1 has the last word which is just someones opinion on the subject. 3 and 4 are attack ads by the other party.

These are not opinions. These are clips of actual debates / announcements / press food. They depict an accurate Mitt Romney constantly contradicting himself. If you'd bothered to watch you'd know that.

Hows this, tell me why you would vote for Romney after understanding how much he lies about (6 studies my ass, it was 1 study, 1 blog post, and 1 letter from a previous bush advisor) everything... Point to me HOW he is going to lower taxes and STILL bring the economy back. Tell me how he is going to create the government jobs he claims to be able to make (oh but wait, "government cannot create jobs." He said that a few times too... which is it?). Give me some information on this, so I can see that Romney actually has his shit together rather than sitting in a corner twiddling his thumbs lying to decent hard working Americans.

O and Dmpk, you know that Mexico has a better voter turnout and they the average person has more knowledge of the government then we do. They have lots of problems but their government system isn't one of them.

They're economy, government, and style of living still detours me from they're system. It obviously does not work even with more public political based knowledge.

As much as I hate it, Canada probably would be one of the best systems to implement. Having essentials like healthcare taken care of, takes an enormous burden off your shoulders. Taxes used correctly are justified.

so who watched the 2nd debate? obama won (but he didnt win as good as romney did in the first debate) and got more aggressive towards the end of the debate

Both were rude to the moderator, Romney more so... Romney kept switching every conversation to a economic based issue... which is complete bullshit because if money was all we needed to fix government we wouldn't need a president. Obama was at least coherent still don't what happened last time. End result, Mitt dodged questions, Obama tried to call out lies and stupidity, Romney defended...

Romney effectively proved, though, that he didn't care for the people's questions. He shrugged the moderator aside and intentionally took as long as he could to have every question drag out.

Agreed

Nothing is free....



Wow, you presume to know a lot about me from my few posts on this message board. When u don't have a good argument just resort to name calling...typical!

Lots of things are free, including healthcare in a lot of down trot and poor areas.


I call you names because you ignore key elements of the situation at hand and have given me absolutely nothing but opinionated rebuttal, where I have provided links and if you pay attention these links are actual quotes of Mitt Romney. They are not doctored, thats him speaking. As soon as someone lies as a politician and he isn't even in office yet... it's a red flag. If you really don't think so, that's where the name becomes a reality. Get mad about it, I don't care. My opinion stands.

All I want is a genuine reason why you, an intelligent debate watching individual, would vote for Romney knowing his plan, and seeing how he talks / dodges the actual questions at hand. I find it utterly disturbing that he even stands a chance after continuously lying.

https://www.politifact.com/

There is my legit fact checking website. It's one of the most reputable out of all the websites for ABSOLUTE FACTS. It tells you the numbers, tells you the laymen terms... It gives you insight into what is actually happening. I encourage you to go there and check some of these facts for yourself. It's really unfortunate if after reading and verifying what I am telling you right now, that you still defend... but hey thats on u.

[Espozito]

This is just a simple answer on "Who of them gotta win"!

[Dmpk]

Yeah. Nah.

[Tossangel]

Lots of things are free, including healthcare in a lot of down trot and poor areas.

You don't get it. Someone pays and in many ways everyone pays. The government has no $ to give that wasnt first taken from someone else. There are consequences... many which were not even considered.

Do not consider my silence on the rest of your statements as agreement. I just dont care to take the time to argue or research links to prove my point.

[Dmpk]

You don't get it. Someone pays and in many ways everyone pays. The government has no $ to give that wasnt first taken from someone else. There are consequences... many which were not even considered.

Do not consider my silence on the rest of your statements as agreement. I just dont care to take the time to argue or research links to prove my point.

Thats how society works. Taxes pay for more than just some poor kids healthcare. Cops, Firemen, Public streets and lights, Schools, Teachers... I can go on for hours. Taxes are required, and necessary. The reason we are in such an economic collapse is your republican pal George W Bush. Clinton had us on track, and actually was turning a profit until fucking George W got into office.

The government has plenty of money. The problem is it is allocated incorrectly and in alot of cases corruptly. Consequences to free healthcare? If my taxes can help someone get a kidney, or allow a child a cast for a broken leg. I am fine with that. There are no consequences that interest me. The world should of been with free healthcare from day 1. Money can be made, taxes can be raised, and budgets can be fixed. The money was allocated as a result of hardworking American families getting laid off, and unable to tend to they're children. For the lower class of worker who makes minimum wage and lives off cup of noodles and water.

These people deserve what they got. Obamacare has saved lives. You want my personal opinion, life is worth saving. If this is your entire basis on why you don't like Obama... you still are missing the point of everything I am saying.

Also if your not willing to provide facts, like I just did in the above post (politifact.com) then why the fuck are you even here? You have no basis to argue with me or debate with me if your not willing to uphold the standard you expected from me. You expect ME to post links, and facts. I in turn EXPECT YOU TO AS WELL. Otherwise this conversation is 1 sided, and all the facts rest with me.

Edit :

I also want to add, I am not defending anything Obama does or does not do unless stated separately above. What I am doing is comparing 2 candidates, and Obama seems to take the cake when it comes to proving he will do what he says he'll do. Where as Romney has lied to me on multiple occasions, specifically mentioning the 2 events above. 1 was a lie about his "proven plan to get the economy back up and running" which he stated "6 studies prove my plan will work.." Where in reality, 1 study was half ass done to prove it COULD work IF you were to remove very specific tax reductions from the exemption list, and the other "5" were all opinionated blogs and articles. There was no study, it was opinion based. Regardless if the plan would work or not, I do not like being lied to. 2 was a lie about making jobs. First off government has a very difficult time making jobs. Second off the government has no money to create jobs... So where is he going to create that many jobs? How is he going to get the resources? Why does he constantly also say things like "Government cannot create jobs." Explain to me the reasoning .

[NettleS]

Gotta be Obama.He gave us a phone, he gon do more!

[Ash]

Gotta be Obama.He gave us a phone, he gon do more!

Sad. The real reason is because Obama is black.
Plus, there's some people that I know that have food stamps and they don't even need them.

[Elixir]

https://www.silverwaregames.com/strategery2012/

All goverments should settle their problems over advance wars.

Still playin this. Fuck rick santorum is hard

[Dmpk]

Sad. The real reason is because Obama is black.
Plus, there's some people that I know that have food stamps and they don't even need them.

Haha. It's really not though... And I am pretty sure the food stamp rates are much higher in favor of the needy... if I had to guess I'd say 85% need it, 15% abuse.

[Roflcopter]

This thread has the most blocks of TLDR text I have ever seen.

I wish the R&D and mafia discussion forum had debates of this caliber.

[Jim]

This thread has the most blocks of TLDR text I have ever seen.

I wish the R&D and mafia discussion forum had debates of this caliber.

Nobody cares about mafia on the "mafia forums"