Framer frames as Leader Amoung Men (GF immune to detection)

[Dr. Cheis]

As I understand it according to this thread:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-Framer-Change
It should be impossible for a Framer to make a target look like the Godfather. In this game, on night 2 I (Dr.Cheis) as the investigator investigated Blue, while the Framer (JimRaynor) frames him. The result I see is is "Your target is a leader among men. They could be the Godfather or the Mayor, or maybe even a Mason Leader." The Godfather was immune to detection (or he was according the visible settings). Therefore, I conclude that my target can't be the Godfather. The Mayor was dead. He must be Mason Leader, right? Nope. He was Executioner that got framed as the Godfather.

This replay is a week or more old. I experiencing difficulty uploading replays previously. Potentially the issue has already been corrected since the build in which this game took place.

Framed as Godfather.SC2Replay

[Voss]

think of it this way. someone framed the exec to look like the godfather, but whoever checks the godfather will only see an immune to detection godfather, thus, the investigator will see cit/suspicious.

[Voss]

but its working as intended.

[Lysergic]

but its working as intended.

It's actually not. Framer was supposed to have been fixed to not show the Leader of Men message is GF is detection immune. I will speak to DR about this.

[creedkingsx]

It's actually not. Framer was supposed to have been fixed to now show the Leader of Men message is GF is detection immune. I will speak to DR about this.

"A Framer who is joined up with a detection immune Godfather
shouldn't frame their target as GF/ML/Mayor to investigators"

The opposite.

[Dr. Cheis]

So there is not a consensus as to whether this is actually a bug? Either way I'd like to be able to predict what the message "Your target is a leader among men. They could be the Godfather or the Mayor, or maybe even a Mason Leader" is supposed to indicate.

[creedkingsx]

Yes, it is a bug. Lys mistyped in his response.
For now, if you are Invest and you get this response, do you best to infer actions of the person and interpret the role list to decide whether or not they could be Mayor or Godfather or Mason Leader.

[Voss]

from what i understood of the changelog, it is not a bug =/

if you frame someone as the GF, the investigator will get the cit/sinister, because that's how a GF looks like to regular investigators. makes sense to me.

[creedkingsx]

from what i understood of the changelog, it is not a bug =/

if you frame someone as the GF, the investigator will get the cit/sinister, because that's how a GF looks like to regular investigators. makes sense to me.

What he is describing is that a GF came up as MAsonleader/otherwise.

[Voss]

sorry. i misunderstood. =(

[creedkingsx]

sorry. i misunderstood. =(

^^
Idk if they ever looked into this or not. hmm

[ariel135]

i'm attaching the replay, i was "Cult Girl", as investigator.
see Night 6.

The framer framed a person, which was clearly a coroner.
i checked him, and he showed me as leader among men.

i thought i was witched, because "gf is immune to detection".

attaching replay.

[Lysergic]

This is an old bug that we're aware of. Difficult to fix.

[Slaol]

I thought this was never supposed to happen again? Wasn't it patched to come up as a detectable mafia / mafioso

[Lazers]

I thought this was never supposed to happen again? Wasn't it patched to come up as a detectable mafia / mafioso

Should be

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-Framer-Change

What was the composition of the Mafia ingame?

[Lysergic]

Should be

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-Framer-Change

What was the composition of the Mafia ingame?

Shouldn't make a difference - Leader Among Men ONLY shows for detectable GF's. The rest of the composition for the Mafia team wouldn't make a lick of difference.

[Nick]

Similarly, framer immune to detection, framed target showed up as good at forgery.

[ariel135]

why is it difficult to fix? (i'd also a software developer, so i'd love to know).
if i'm guessing, when a framer frames someone, it will make that evil/leader or something.
couldn't you check the settings about the immunity aswell? (or if you don't pass the settings to the game itself, just save a flag to do it)

[Slaol]

(After I finally got to a computer to check this)
The setup for Mafia was
Godfather - Immune to detection.
Framer - Not immune to detection.
Janitor

Investigator - Not exact role.

I will run checks on this tomorrow to see what settings or roles might cause it. I have seen Cult in a lot of games with bugs, and Mason Leader being in game could have effected the showing of 'Leader among men'

[ariel135]

It did, i'd think he's ML if i havent knew 6 was ML

[Lazers]

Shouldn't make a difference - Leader Among Men ONLY shows for detectable GF's. The rest of the composition for the Mafia team wouldn't make a lick of difference.

It should, if what I read from DR is correct. The framing ISN'T supposed to frame a GF, but apparently it is.

Framing is supposed to fall upon a random non-detect-immune mafia role, not the GF. If there was a detectable mafia role in game then it fucked up. If there wasn't, well, it SHOULD frame Framer (not saying that this solution is ingame but it should be there if it isn't)

[cxx]

This still is the case.
Intended?

Replay: Night 2 for hotkey 7.
framer_immune_gf.SC2Replay