S-FM 91 Be Careful On Who You Lynch!

[powerofdeath]

A fat rich guy was sitting in his seat in his nice office with his face pressed against the desk. 5 years ago, he invented Blarp and it became extremely successful. He made millions! But now nobody seemed to be buying Blarps anymore. He have to come up another way to make money so he could keep his rich snobby wife with expensive clothes and poodle in her purse happy. He went around posting a few wanted signs around the town. Two men came in, looking slobby and lazy, asking for a job, any job that doesnt require any work. The boss guy thought he was doomed. The two jokes started to fight each other. The boss said "Woah woah hey stop it! Why the hell are you guys fighting? You don't even know each other!" The two guys explained that they were rivals since they were babies and they hated each other. The boss knew these guys are important for town's moral and mafia's support. Mafia have been around for decades, but they are barely making much troubles until recently when the godfather died of heart attack. The mafia was just going around making troubles without leadership. "That's it! I got a job for you guys and it will make us even more money than blarps ever did!"

Player's list:
Ika
Noctiz
Titus
Banshis
RLVG(Porio was replaced by RLVG)
Sinclair
Nicole
Dagaen
Sen
Glshadow

Day end at this time (http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=june+30+4%3A00+PM+EST&x=0&y=0)

Set up is located here! (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20587-S-FM-Be-Careful-On-Who-You-Lynch!)

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Rumors said that mislynching could cause huge HUGE problems for everyone!
Never forget
Never ever forget
NEVER EVER NEVER EVER SUPER NEVER EVER FORGET THAT YOU NEED TO
Be careful on who you lynch!

[Banshis]

Well hello everyone!

[Titus]

Someone posted before me. Time to random vote him.

Banshis

[Banshis]

Someone posted before me. Time to random vote him.

Banshis

I will always get first post!

[Banshis]

-vote powerofdeath

He posted before me.

[ika]

At work will check back but for now random.org has told me to do this

Nicole

[Sen]

Hi, hi.

[Banshis]

Wasn't Sinclair supposed to be gone for this weekend and not able to do mafia? If so he is going to get replaced after this day.

[Titus]

WE have replacements. Don't worry about people who aren't here yet. The host will handle that. Look at the evidence in front of you.

[powerofdeath]

Wasn't Sinclair supposed to be gone for this weekend and not able to do mafia? If so he is going to get replaced after this day.

He is? Hmm
Ill ask the replacement to replace if he doesnt post tonight

[Titus]

I will always get first post!

You and what army? That's usually my role. :D

[Sen]

Look at the evidence in front of you.

-vote Titus

[Banshis]

Lets see what random.org has to say.....

Titus

[Titus]

Wow Sen.... is that a serious vote or a random vote?

[glswadow]

Hey there y'all. Sup?

[glswadow]

He is NERVOUS

-vote Titus

[Banshis]

Wow Sen.... is that a serious vote or a random vote?

Well it is a vote that didn't get registered by the vote count.

[Titus]

Hey there y'all. Sup?

We're random voting to try and catch scum and start real investigations going.

Newbies, in order to vote you need to use vote tag.

Titus

Take out the stars and spaces is how you vote for someone.

[Banshis]

Hmm wouldn't let me just unvote.

[glswadow]

We're random voting to try and catch scum and start real investigations going.

Newbies, in order to vote you need to use vote tag.

Titus

Take out the stars and spaces is how you vote for someone.

Thanks for the help! I've already read the rules, but a help always help (lol)

Titus

[glswadow]

Nice, it work.

Let's do it seriously
Titus

Shall we begin?

[Titus]

In order to do RVS, you don't immediately unvote someone. Otherwise, the vote carries no pressure whatsoever. The idea of random voting is to see if scum somehow freak out. Sometimes this happens due to their own personal issues.

[Sen]

We're random voting to try and catch scum and start real investigations going.

Newbies, in order to vote you need to use vote tag.

Titus

Take out the stars and spaces is how you vote for someone.

Ah, thanks.
Titus

[NoctiZ]

SUUUP

[Titus]

The difference between RVS and real voting is usually someone has a real vote or does something suspicious to end it. Players then analyze reactions so on and so forth. This game is relatively simple as far as setups go. No cults or anything causing shifting alignments. Jesters are the only wild cards. Each jester is different to each player. There is no standard rulebook for those.

Hey NoctiZ! Just explaining this to the newbies. You gunna place a random vote?

[NoctiZ]

The difference between RVS and real voting is usually someone has a real vote or does something suspicious to end it. Players then analyze reactions so on and so forth. This game is relatively simple as far as setups go. No cults or anything causing shifting alignments. Jesters are the only wild cards. Each jester is different to each player. There is no standard rulebook for those.

Hey NoctiZ! Just explaining this to the newbies. You gunna place a random vote?
My votes are special. Only my loved ones get them.

[glswadow]

Sooo you get a vote...

NoctiZ

[Titus]

You don't love us NoctiZ? I'm hurt.

[Sen]

// Just a clarification: I'm not a Mafia newbie. i'm simply not used to how you do it in this particular forum. (:

[NoctiZ]

I'm sorry Titus. I didn't mean it. It's just.. I have problems opening up.. that's all.. I'm fine.

Btw what does RVS stand for? Random vote s[omething]?

[Banshis]

glswadow

There's my random. I'll be back in about an hour.

[Sen]

I'm sorry Titus. I didn't mean it. It's just.. I have problems opening up.. that's all.. I'm fine.

Btw what does RVS stand for? Random vote s[omething]?

Stage.

[Titus]

// Just a clarification: I'm not a Mafia newbie. i'm simply not used to how you do it in this particular forum. (:

Ahh. Ok, where have you usually played? Basically, if you have any incorrect assumptions as to how roles work; those should be corrected as soon as possible so you can scumhunt as effectively as the rest of us.

So when I say newbie... I mean new to the site.

Also questions are in green. QUESTION Those are the only questions the host should answer. Anything else is usually considered players talking amongst themselves. Players can lie about mechanics but as a general rule I do not.

RVS is random voting stage. I borrowed it from another site, which doesn't consider Day 1 spam and requires a day one lynch in some setups.

[glswadow]

glswadow

There's my random. I'll be back in about an hour.


OH SHIT OH SHIT I SWEAR IM NOT MAFIA I SWEAR IT OH GOD PLEASE DONT LYNCH ME I HAD KIDS AND A WIFE AND A DOG

[NoctiZ]

Thank you guys, much appreciated. =)

[Sen]

Used to play at a site called Comunidad Umbría (in Spanish, my native language). It's for general roleplaying, but we used to have many mafia (mainly cult) games running back in the day.

And yeah, I'll ask you if I have any doubts or pm the host if i have any role-specific question. Thanks. (:

[Titus]

Hmm Sen, I had you pegged at another site. Hmm. By the way, it's a common rule, even if hosts don't say this, English only is required.

[Titus]

Ok. We need to increase the pressure on people. RVS won't work if we distribute our votes evenly.

NoctiZ

[NoctiZ]

Do you expect me to react in a special kind of way? lulul

I dare to say that this doesn't work on veterans.

[Titus]

Do you expect me to react in a special kind of way? lulul

I dare to say that this doesn't work on veterans.

But it did a little. You reacted in a manner that suggests you don't want votes placed on you at all. You're reacting in a manner that suggests you want us to think voting you is stupid. After all, look at my examples, no flinching when people voted me.

[NoctiZ]

But it did a little. You reacted in a manner that suggests you don't want votes placed on you at all. You're reacting in a manner that suggests you want us to think voting you is stupid. After all, look at my examples, no flinching when people voted me.

I don't quite get that reaction even from myself which shows that FMs are all about over-analyzing, which may work, but often makes people focus on someone way too much for something the person himself doesn't think is that important.

[Titus]

I don't quite get that reaction even from myself which shows that FMs are all about over-analyzing, which may work, but often makes people focus on someone way too much for something the person himself doesn't think is that important.

Scum tend not to think any sort of slip is important at all. They'd want players do gloss over it. Not saying you're scum but RVS does create a reaction in some people. When it does, that reaction should be analyzed.

[NoctiZ]

Even ignoring the votes is a reaction in itself, which can also be used by scum. Everything is a reaction when getting voted and thinking of the intentions behind the reactions is what is important. However, I just wanted to note that random votes don't work on veterans because they know which reaction they want to show. Usually.

[Dagaen]

Kill everyone! And lynch everyone! Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

I mean...hello. Maybe instead of random lynches we should ask each other questions like "what would you do if you were evil jester"?:P Or some psychological game of sorts?

[Dagaen]

Infractions: 1/0 (0)

Was it always there? :|

[Titus]

Kill everyone! And lynch everyone! Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

I mean...hello. Maybe instead of random lynches we should ask each other questions like "what would you do if you were evil jester"?:P Or some psychological game of sorts?

It's in the setup. Jesters don't know if they're evil.

If you got an infraction, it'll roll off with time. We can't see it.

[NoctiZ]

Infractions: 1/0 (0)

Was it always there? :|

It's only there because you got an infraction but it's one point so it's okay.

[NoctiZ]

Or is it even a point? Idk, you should've been PMd with information so whatever.

[Titus]

Even ignoring the votes is a reaction in itself, which can also be used by scum. Everything is a reaction when getting voted and thinking of the intentions behind the reactions is what is important. However, I just wanted to note that random votes don't work on veterans because they know which reaction they want to show. Usually.

A facade is hard to maintain if scum. Yes, the result might be predicted but eventually the player will slip.

Your posts are reading to me like why pressure the veterans... they'll know how to fake being town.

[Dagaen]

Ah I see, I necro'ed again. I hate site discussion forum. I just replied to sticky thread, it was 1st thing on the top! There should be some kind of warning:/

[glswadow]

we should put pressure to someone. Now. Kill them

WITH FIRE

[NoctiZ]

A facade is hard to maintain if scum. Yes, the result might be predicted but eventually the player will slip.

Your posts are reading to me like why pressure the veterans... they'll know how to fake being town.

That's what I'm saying. I've never been one to pressure veterans on no grounds because they are just gonna shrug it off. I just wanted to add that with my first post lol.

[Dagaen]

Btw, I think we will have Blackmailer in this setup. Our dear host spend a lot of time on this role, it would be weird to not include it:D

[Titus]

That's what I'm saying. I've never been one to pressure veterans on no grounds because they are just gonna shrug it off. I just wanted to add that with my first post lol.

I don't think you did shrug it off. You're pretending.


Btw, I think we will have Blackmailer in this setup. Our dear host spend a lot of time on this role, it would be weird to not include it:D

I definitely would pull this because I hate being metaed. Don't assume. In this setup, the town likely is going to lynch a lot anyway.

[NoctiZ]

I don't think you did shrug it off. You're pretending.

That's my point about overanalyzing. ^.^

[glswadow]

I really think that the host didnt do a game to talk about meta or over overanalyzing.

So

Would be great if we.

Focus.

[NoctiZ]

I really think that the host didnt do a game to talk about meta or over overanalyzing.

So

Would be great if we.

Focus.

Focus on what? Meaningless posts? We are at the RVS. Let's use it for today.

[glswadow]

And why we aint voting¿? Hell fuck all vote me and end this


Ups

[NoctiZ]

And why we aint voting¿? Hell fuck all vote me and end this


Ups

Someone who wants to make us think he is the evil jester?

[Titus]

Someone who wants to make us think he is the evil jester?

Again, he'd only know if he was jester. That's in the setup. Besides, the town wants to lynch the friendly jester. That's the one we'd want to lynch. Yet, you're focused on finding the evil one. Odd.

[Banshis]

Someone who wants to make us think he is the evil jester?

Based on how he reacted to my random vote by trolling. I could see him being a jester.

Jesters don't know if they are evil or good. They just want to be lynched no matter what.

[Dagaen]

Well, I don't wanna lynch any jester. Just mafias. Lynching jester is too much risk.

Hey host, question. Evil Jester kills half of town rounding down or up? E.g. what happens when there are 3 towns and we lynch wrong jester?

[Dagaen]

nvm, found it! We round down:P

[Poriomania]

Hello everyone.

I'm out of town and have to rely on my phone and hotel wifi, so I may not be active.

My top suspects are the people who random voted using random.org - see High School Mafia for reasoning why.

[Titus]

Down.


Get publicly executed
When lynched, 50% of town (rounded down if odd) will suicide to guilts
You will not know if you are Friendly or Evil
Upon death, it will not reveal which alignment you are
Be the first Jester to get lynched
If other jester get lynched, you will suicide because you are fired from being a jester and the other guy did way better job than you did
May send one troll image and/or one line of message to somebody each night
Message MUST BE off topic
It cannot relate to anything about the game or SC2Mafia in general
Message example: Hi, it's a beautiful day!

A doubt a jester would take the risk to troll this early. I'm really starting to suspect that NoctiZ is scum.

[NoctiZ]

Again, he'd only know if he was jester. That's in the setup. Besides, the town wants to lynch the friendly jester. That's the one we'd want to lynch. Yet, you're focused on finding the evil one. Odd.

Lol I forgot that. The thing is that I thought Jesters knew and so I sorted his playstyle to the Evil Jester's play.

[Banshis]

Will game end if we kill both mafia, but the 2 jesters are still alive?

Asking only because they are both opposing sides.

[powerofdeath]

Well, I don't wanna lynch any jester. Just mafias. Lynching jester is too much risk.

Hey host, question. Evil Jester kills half of town rounding down or up? E.g. what happens when there are 3 towns and we lynch wrong jester?

Rounding down
Examples: if there are 7 towns, lynching a evil jester will get 3 towns to suicide
It does not matter if you voted jester or not, random towns will suicide when evil jester get lynched
Apply for friendly jester as well.
However if there is only one town and evil jester get lynched, it will round up and that town will suicide

[Banshis]

Focus on what? Meaningless posts? We are at the RVS. Let's use it for today.

To add onto your thought I noticed this about Noctiz and thought he was scum because he said the posts are meaningless.

I made that mistake in HOTD and it almost didn't turn out well for me. That was because I was new and Noctiz is a vet. He would know the posts are meaningless.

[powerofdeath]

Will game end if we kill both mafia, but the 2 jesters are still alive?

Asking only because they are both opposing sides.
Game will end because town's win condition is to lynch all mafia

[Banshis]

To add onto your thought I noticed this about Noctiz and thought he was scum because he said the posts are meaningless.

I made that mistake in HOTD and it almost didn't turn out well for me. That was because I was new and Noctiz is a vet. He would know the posts are meaningless.

Sorry aren't meaningless*

[Titus]

Sorry aren't meaningless*

Yeah the sudden switch between the posts are meaningful to meaningless. I don't like that either.

[NoctiZ]

Posts on D1 are never meaningless, especially on a lynch day.

[Titus]

Posts on D1 are never meaningless, especially on a lynch day.

Then why the reluctance to have your posts analyzed?

[Banshis]

Posts on D1 are never meaningless, especially on a lynch day.

Why did you tell GLswadow that posts are meaningless when he said for us to focus?

[NoctiZ]

Then why the reluctance to have your posts analyzed?

I differed between a veteran's posts and posts from newer people. Although we can never know it's usually good to appear newbish. Although it works against that if you want to have credibility.

[NoctiZ]

Why did you tell GLswadow that posts are meaningless when he said for us to focus?

Where did I ever do that? Quote some, because my mindset has always been that D1 posts are 99% useful on a lynch day. Maybe 75% on no lynch.

[Banshis]

Focus on what? Meaningless posts? We are at the RVS. Let's use it for today.

Were you trying to use this to help explain to GLswadow about the RVS?

[Dagaen]

How come nobody ever analyzes Titus?:P


In this setup, the town likely is going to lynch a lot anyway.


Besides, the town wants to lynch the friendly jester.

Kinda looks to me like Titus doesn't think of Town as "we".

[NoctiZ]

Were you trying to use this to help explain to GLswadow about the RVS?

Thought it was quite obvious what I meant; If we don't vote people in the RVS then we are wasting time, he tells us to focus but at the same time not talk about meta or overanalyzing things. Without that we would only have more or less meaningless posts.

[NoctiZ]

How come nobody ever analyzes Titus?:P





Kinda looks to me like Titus doesn't think of Town as "we".
It's a good point yes, but you can also argue that people who include themselves in the "town" category in their posts then they are manipulating others to plant that belief in their minds.

[Dagaen]

It wasn't serious observations anyway, I just don't wanna play another game where Titus is untouchable:D

[NoctiZ]

It wasn't serious observations anyway, I just don't wanna play another game where Titus is untouchable:D

Yes, it is indeed a good thing to point out. Having only one unconfirmed leader isn't that good although often unavoidable.

[Titus]

A facade is hard to maintain if scum. Yes, the result might be predicted but eventually the player will slip.

Your posts are reading to me like why pressure the veterans... they'll know how to fake being town.


That's what I'm saying. I've never been one to pressure veterans on no grounds because they are just gonna shrug it off. I just wanted to add that with my first post lol.

Your posts give the impression that there's nothing to analyze because you're a veteran, so why bother? We'd just be "overanalyzing". I don't think there's such a thing as over analysis, only improper analysis.



Daegan, I speak a lot in the abstract. Check M-FM 18. I speak a lot like that. I don't need to say we'll do this when I'm not confirmed town (read pre-mayor review). I don't need to manipulate the town.

Oh and I'm not untouchable. I've rolled citizen a whole bloody lot. Hence my overactive town leadership, take no prisoners townish behavior.

[NoctiZ]

Your posts give the impression that there's nothing to analyze because you're a veteran, so why bother? We'd just be "overanalyzing". I don't think there's such a thing as over analysis, only improper analysis.

You missed the point completely. It's about the RVS where the reactions of a veteran are almost always meaningless to analyse.

[glswadow]

Hey pals. Why we dont relax and have a beer?

Btw, Good job NoctiZ, as soon ppl started to lynch you, you evade the argue with a lot of meta and RVS stuff. Awsome mafia is awsome.
Teach me, master.

[Titus]

Hey pals. Why we dont relax and have a beer?

Btw, Good job NoctiZ, as soon ppl started to lynch you, you evade the argue with a lot of meta and RVS stuff. Awsome mafia is awsome.
Teach me, master.

He's not that good if you caught on to him. When I'm mafia (next century), watch and learn.

[NoctiZ]

Hey pals. Why we dont relax and have a beer?

Btw, Good job NoctiZ, as soon ppl started to lynch you, you evade the argue with a lot of meta and RVS stuff. Awsome mafia is awsome.
Teach me, master.

btw I consider myself to be a pretty bad scum player l0l

[glswadow]

He's not that good if you caught on to him. When I'm mafia (next century), watch and learn.

Hey I just meet you
And this is crazy

<--- So here's my profile

Teach me master!

[Banshis]

I just don't like how he always says that analyzing a veteran is almost meaningless. Whether your new or not you can still slip.

[NoctiZ]

I just don't like how he always says that analyzing a veteran is almost meaningless. Whether your new or not you can still slip.

Point being about reaction tests from random voting.

I felt like teaching some people here a bit knowledge that random voting is rather meaningless if the people know that already, so why bother? But people tend to not like that. I fall into the same hole a lot of the times I play; people focus me because I want to drop knowledge lol

[Titus]

Point being about reaction tests from random voting.

I felt like teaching some people here a bit knowledge that random voting is rather meaningless if the people know that already, so why bother? But people tend to not like that. I fall into the same hole a lot of the times I play; people focus me because I want to drop knowledge lol

Drop knowledge? That implies you know something the rest of us don't. Dropping logic (what I try to do) is not knowledge. Rather it is guiding people towards the right conclusion with a set of facts everyone knows.

[NoctiZ]

Drop knowledge? That implies you know something the rest of us don't. Dropping logic (what I try to do) is not knowledge. Rather it is guiding people towards the right conclusion with a set of facts everyone knows.

Newbies may not know about people pulling reactions from random votes.

[glswadow]

Can we lynch NoctiZ so he can claim is mafia? please

[NoctiZ]

Can we lynch NoctiZ so he can claim is mafia? please

Pressuring a role claim from some randomly chosen person is not the ideal choice.

*inb4 but you seem scummy now*

*inb4 you dont want to role claim so we lynch*

[glswadow]

Pressuring a role claim from some randomly chosen person is not the ideal choice.

*inb4 but you seem scummy now*

*inb4 you dont want to role claim so we lynch*

But still, no claim.

May be not the ideal Choice, but its my choice xD

[Titus]

Pressuring a role claim from some randomly chosen person is not the ideal choice.

*inb4 but you seem scummy now*

*inb4 you dont want to role claim so we lynch*

Your responses make this less random. I'll go first if you're really scared.

[NoctiZ]

Ah whatever, I don't consider my role to be that important because I may hinder town.

I'm Escort.

[Titus]

I'm citizen. Kinda obvious.

[glswadow]

Ah whatever, I don't consider my role to be that important because I may hinder town.

I'm Escort.

You meant consort?

[Banshis]

Down.



A doubt a jester would take the risk to troll this early.

Do you think that is the player is new and used to SC2mafia version of jester where a majority of them always troll?

[Titus]

Do you think that is the player is new and used to SC2mafia version of jester where a majority of them always troll?

NoctiZ isn't new. He could be doing a jester play.

[Banshis]

NoctiZ isn't new. He could be doing a jester play.

I was talking about GLswadow

[Dagaen]

Wow, claims so early :O

Anyway, Jesters will have tough job. Town won't lynch without any clues in such setup, but Mafia will probably target unsuspected townies. Meaning that Jester will have to find good amount of behaving suspicious, but not in very obvious way.

Claiming Citizen might be a way to go:P

[Titus]

Wow, claims so early :O

Anyway, Jesters will have tough job. Town won't lynch without any clues in such setup, but Mafia will probably target unsuspected townies. Meaning that Jester will have to find good amount of behaving suspicious, but not in very obvious way.

Claiming Citizen might be a way to go:P

So you're soft ccing me? Or are you accusing me of being a jester? Despite leading the town?

[NoctiZ]

Wow, claims so early :O

Anyway, Jesters will have tough job. Town won't lynch without any clues in such setup, but Mafia will probably target unsuspected townies. Meaning that Jester will have to find good amount of behaving suspicious, but not in very obvious way.

Claiming Citizen might be a way to go:P

I like this, could be possible projection from Titus seen here:


NoctiZ isn't new. He could be doing a jester play.

[Titus]

I like this, could be possible projection from Titus seen here:

This sounds like a discredit on my FoS on you. Call me jester. No one would then listen to me. I'm guiding the town and explaining everything. Yet, you call me a jester.

[NoctiZ]

This sounds like a discredit on my FoS on you. Call me jester. No one would then listen to me. I'm guiding the town and explaining everything. Yet, you call me a jester.

Why do you react like this in such a way? Do you feel like your position is being threatened?

My play could also be a mafia play. I gave up my role claim after a bit of stalling to prevent from getting pressured further. Would that be jester play only? Do you not see where I'm coming from with my accusation?

[Titus]

Why do you react like this in such a way? Do you feel like your position is being threatened?

My play could also be a mafia play. I gave up my role claim after a bit of stalling to prevent from getting pressured further. Would that be jester play only? Do you not see where I'm coming from with my accusation?


Gotcha. :) I never said your play was only a jester play. I meant it to ensure sheep wouldn't just jump on in case you were jester. Town rarely says that their play could be a mafia play. You are not town. Jester or Mafia I don't know. Definitely not town.

[Banshis]

Gotcha. :) I never said your play was only a jester play. I meant it to ensure sheep wouldn't just jump on in case you were jester. Town rarely says that their play could be a mafia play. You are not town. Jester or Mafia I don't know. Definitely not town.

Well if you believe he isn't town then most likely jester instead of mafia. Escort is an easy role to counter if no one get roleblocked.

[Titus]

Well if you believe he isn't town then most likely jester instead of mafia. Escort is an easy role to counter if no one get roleblocked.


There likely is an escort and consort in the game. Possibly not if the hosts wanted to screw with us. I'm just unsettled by NoctiZ.

[NoctiZ]

Gotcha. :) I never said your play was only a jester play. I meant it to ensure sheep wouldn't just jump on in case you were jester. Town rarely says that their play could be a mafia play. You are not town. Jester or Mafia I don't know. Definitely not town.

Pointing out flaws in one play to point out flaws in your logical conclusion is not a town play? It's as if you are manipulating.

[Titus]

Pointing out flaws in one play to point out flaws in your logical conclusion is not a town play? It's as if you are manipulating.

Except you didn't point out a flaw at all. You dismissed my logic entirely as jester.

[NoctiZ]

Except you didn't point out a flaw at all. You dismissed my logic entirely as jester.

Uh no, I showed why you specifically said that my play was that of a jester. It's because you are projecting, my play could also well be one of a mafia player.

Your reasoning as to why you did sounds like a cover up because of the wording in the post of you accusing me of Jester.

[glswadow]

I like potatoes.

(I think my point is way more interesting than talking bout psico things and stuff)

[Titus]

Uh no, I showed why you specifically said that my play was that of a jester. It's because you are projecting, my play could also well be one of a mafia player.

Your reasoning as to why you did sounds like a cover up because of the wording in the post of you accusing me of Jester.

Again, this is longwinded cherry picking. Ignore Titus. She's a jester. That's what you're saying. Being concerned about a jester =/= projecting. Your play is obviously scummy. My question is are you mafia or jester?

@glshadow, what the heck is psico?

[NoctiZ]

Again, this is longwinded cherry picking. Ignore Titus. She's a jester. That's what you're saying. Being concerned about a jester =/= projecting. Your play is obviously scummy. My question is are you mafia or jester?

Your play is scummy because you absolutely ignore the points I brought up and argue that my way of argumenting is that of scum. Very nice.

[Titus]

Your play is scummy because you absolutely ignore the points I brought up and argue that my way of argumenting is that of scum. Very nice.

Never ignored anything you said. I've highlighted in this case what you've said sounds scummy. I've never said your way of arguing is that of scum. That's usually what I say about ika.

[NoctiZ]

Never ignored anything you said. I've highlighted in this case what you've said sounds scummy. I've never said your way of arguing is that of scum. That's usually what I say about ika.


Your play is obviously scummy. My question is are you mafia or jester?


Replace play with argumentation, because play = argumentation

[Titus]

No. It does not. That is a mistake in your reading.

Play does not equal argumentation.

Argumentation = What arguments you are presenting.

Play = How you phrase what you are saying.

[NoctiZ]

No. It does not. That is a mistake in your reading.

Play does not equal argumentation.

Argumentation = What arguments you are presenting.

Play = How you phrase what you are saying.

To an argumention belongs the way you present your arguments.

In essence the only play I've shown was at the very beginning, after that it was only argumenting.

[Titus]

To an argumention belongs the way you present your arguments.

In essence the only play I've shown was at the very beginning, after that it was only argumenting.

This makes no sense. I do not comprehend this at all. Rephrase please.

[glswadow]

This makes no sense. I do not comprehend this at all. Rephrase please.

Is my same thought since i came to this post
The same

[Banshis]

Nicole

Need some more voices.

This argument is getting a bit hard to follow now.

[Dagaen]

I hope we all agree we shoudn't lynch anyone today, right?

[Banshis]

I hope we all agree we shoudn't lynch anyone today, right?

Doesn't mean we can't pressure vote anyone.

[glswadow]

I hope we all agree we shoudn't lynch anyone today, right?

So here is the second mafia. Imfg so easy

[Titus]

I hope we all agree we shoudn't lynch anyone today, right?

I don't like this. If someone is scummy and we can be confident they aren't a jester, we should lynch them. If you think there's no way to get there today fine but I'm unwilling to rule out a lynch being the right manuever.

@glshadow... No... Daegan's reponse looks like mafia. Jesters want to look like mafia. Don't be so quick to label people as mafia.

[Banshis]

I don't like this. If someone is scummy and we can be confident they aren't a jester, we should lynch them. If you think there's no way to get there today fine but I'm unwilling to rule out a lynch being the right manuever.

@glshadow... No... Daegan's reponse looks like mafia. Jesters want to look like mafia. Don't be so quick to label people as mafia.

As I said before. GLswadow is new and used to sc2mafia. He could totally be a jester. Unless he is mafia just trying to act like a jester so nobody suspects him of being mafia. Or he is just a really trolly town.

[glswadow]

As I said before. GLswadow is new and used to sc2mafia. He could totally be a jester. Unless he is mafia just trying to act like a jester so nobody suspects him of being mafia. Or he is just a really trolly town.

IM NOT MAFIA
REPEAT

NOT

MAFIA

DONT LYNCH ME PLZ

[Titus]

As I said before. GLswadow is new and used to sc2mafia. He could totally be a jester. Unless he is mafia just trying to act like a jester so nobody suspects him of being mafia. Or he is just a really trolly town.

As you know, it's a common tactic of mafia to troll a hell of a lot. If you assume an obvious jester is a jester, the mafia can hide under your nose. Subtle language indicators are the way to go if you have no other evidence, not playstyle labels.

[Banshis]

As you know, it's a common tactic of mafia to troll a hell of a lot. If you assume an obvious jester is a jester, the mafia can hide under your nose. Subtle language indicators are the way to go if you have no other evidence, not playstyle labels.

That's why I put the part about acting like a jester as a mafia. It is also a common thing to do.

[Titus]

We have three out of ten odds of lynching scum. I say three because I'm including the jester we want to lynch. That's supposing the lynch is at random. We aren't lynching at random but a scum lead. There's only 1 in 10 odds of lynching the zonk.

[Dagaen]

I don't like this. If someone is scummy and we can be confident they aren't a jester, we should lynch them. If you think there's no way to get there today fine but I'm unwilling to rule out a lynch being the right manuever.

@glshadow... No... Daegan's reponse looks like mafia. Jesters want to look like mafia. Don't be so quick to label people as mafia.

How exactly we can be confident someone isn't pretending to be scummy? And can you be 100% certain you see the differences between mafia-scummy and jester-scummy? Because I know I'm not.

I don't think we should risk lyching d1 with double jesters around. We have PRs (NoctiZ already claimed one), so if we find anyone suspicious we can target him.

[Titus]

How exactly we can be confident someone isn't pretending to be scummy? And can you be 100% certain you see the differences between mafia-scummy and jester-scummy? Because I know I'm not.

I don't think we should risk lyching d1 with double jesters around. We have PRs (NoctiZ already claimed one), so if we find anyone suspicious we can target him.

Do you really expect anyone under pressure day 1 to claim citizen? Please.

I don't think NoctiZ is a town PR. He wouldn't have claimed at all.

[glswadow]

Do you really expect anyone under pressure day 1 to claim citizen? Please.

I don't think NoctiZ is a town PR. He wouldn't have claimed at all.

Shall we apply the same rule for you?

[Banshis]

Shall we apply the same rule for you?

Well Titus isn't a town pr.

Power Roles usually don't reveal on day one unless pressured to a point. Citizens are suppose to help lead the town and it was pretty obvious Titus was probably a cit.
Titus acted exactly the same last game when Titus was a citizen.

[Titus]

Shall we apply the same rule for you?

A citizen is in a much different position. It's not a big loss if a citizen dies. The mafia is hunting for town PRs to block and kill. Why make it easier by claiming at all? Because I always role citizen, I have no problem leading the town, drawing attention and claiming. If the mafia figures out someone else is a PR, they are dead. Plus, mafia claiming a PR totally removes any worry they have about where the doctor heals. I play so aggressively because I am FINE with dying.

[Banshis]

For hidden citizens though should act like they are a power role so mafia end up missing a power role kill. :)

[Titus]

For hidden citizens though should act like they are a power role so mafia end up missing a power role kill. :)

Maybe that's what I'm doing. xD

[Banshis]

Maybe that's what I'm doing. xD

Well your not exactly a hidden citizen. :)

Even if you are a hiding power role,(don't believe you are), you can still end up being a target since you are great with leading as a citizen.

It doesn't mean I fully believe you are town, but there is a good chance that you are town. Either your town or you do a very good job at manipulation.

[Titus]

Well your not exactly a hidden citizen. :)

Even if you are a hiding power role,(don't believe you are), you can still end up being a target since you are great with leading as a citizen.

It doesn't mean I fully believe you are town, but there is a good chance that you are town. Either your town or you do a very good job at manipulation.

And what exactly have I lead us to? No one understanding my arguments. I'm not exactly a great leader. I do decent in an M-FM and apparently it just gets me shot at night.

[Banshis]

And what exactly have I lead us to? No one understanding my arguments. I'm not exactly a great leader. I do decent in an M-FM and apparently it just gets me shot at night.

Well your good at analyzing posts. I understood the argument in the beginning, but they it start to get very complicated.

P.S. Some basis behind me saying your a good leader is just by watching past games.

To go back on topic though, Noctiz saying escort will just mess up town more so he claimed sounds more like he is consort just saying that so he has reason behind blocking town members from information.

[Titus]

Well your good at analyzing posts. I understood the argument in the beginning, but they it start to get very complicated.

P.S. Some basis behind me saying your a good leader is just by watching past games.

To go back on topic though, Noctiz saying escort will just mess up town more so he claimed sounds more like he is consort just saying that so he has reason behind blocking town members from information.

Preemptive excuses are also scumtells. This is to easy though. We might lynch a jester.

[Banshis]

Preemptive excuses are also scumtells. This is to easy though. We might lynch a jester.

Well I just don't see an escort claiming on day 1. He can effectively stop the mafia from getting a kill. He didn't even have enough pressure on him for him to be worried about being lynched yet. He claimed it too early. He most likely is NOT an escort. Consort seems too easy to tell. Most likely he is a jester.

[glswadow]

Well I just don't see an escort claiming on day 1. He can effectively stop the mafia from getting a kill. He didn't even have enough pressure on him for him to be worried about being lynched yet. He claimed it too early. He most likely is NOT an escort. Consort seems too easy to tell. Most likely he is a jester.

And what if he is. Even if we lynch a jester, we are killing or half of the town or half mafia.
I still think is a good risk for taking.

LYNCH HIM

[Titus]

Fair enough.

unvote

Banshis, note glshadow's answer. Do you see anything with this?

[Banshis]

What I think is happening is he is trying to make himself seem like a good lynch target. Odds are he is a jester over a consort.

[Banshis]

Fair enough.

unvote

Banshis, note glshadow's answer. Do you see anything with this?

Besides him willing to risk killing half the town for a person who has better odds of being a jester?

This also tells me that GLswadow isn't a jester because he wouldn't want to risk lynching a different jester.

[Banshis]

Lynching Noctiz isn't going to be viable on day 1. We need some hard evidence on him to proove he is a consort. I am seeing more jester.

[Banshis]

Since we know that glswadow isn't a jester since he wouldn't risk lynching to other jester so he loses, I'd like to pressure him some more since trolling on day 1 is often used by mafia.

glswadow

[glswadow]

Since we know that glswadow isn't a jester since he wouldn't risk lynching to other jester so he loses, I'd like to pressure him some more since trolling on day 1 is often used by mafia.

glswadow

OH SHIT

AND MY KIDDOS?

IF I DIE

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH MY KIDDOS?

[Banshis]

OH SHIT

AND MY KIDDOS?

IF I DIE

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH MY KIDDOS?

Don't really have a way to interpret that besides trolling and you have a feeling that you aren't going to get pressured so you are free to keep trolling.

[glswadow]

Thanks.

[Banshis]

Well since no one else is talking atm. Glswadow why do you think it is a good choice to lynch a jester that could end up killing half the town and costing town the game?

[Banshis]

Considering we lynch a jester on day 1 and he is the evil jester. Half the town dies.

2 mafia
2 jesters
6 town

both jesters are dead then. 3 town are dead then. If mafia kills right then we lose 4 town in 1 night. That leaves 2 mafia to 2 town. Town loses. Lynching a jester day 1 is not the way to go.

[Titus]

Lynching a jester is never the way to go.

[Banshis]

Lynching a jester is never the way to go.

Well yea. I'm just trying to point out how costly lynching a jester would be.

Titus do you think pressuring glswadow is a good choice? He has no fear of lynching a possible jester. If he has read setup then he knows that if he is a jester he will lose.

[glswadow]

Well since no one else is talking atm. Glswadow why do you think it is a good choice to lynch a jester that could end up killing half the town and costing town the game?
Im bored to toy with you all. Read this; coz here is my point.

NotiZ is clearly not Town. What can happen if we lynch the evil Jester? Kill 1/2 town, and all the jesters. Plus that day we will lose 1 probably (Mafia kill) and another efect we dont know.

That Day will end 2 vs 2 ( 2 Mafia, 2 town)
And in those cases, from my point of view town will win.

But if we dont move fast, mafia will start to take kills. If we do the same mistakes in the second day, we will lose.
My point is, we have 2 options:

Dont lynch anybody untill we have clear evidences

Or Bet. If we bet today the worst thing can happen is that we will have to bet again.

And I repeat. There is only 1/10 Chances to lynch the wrong jester.
And 3/10 of lynch a thing we want.

P.D: I was about do one epic move, but, i dont think i should do anything weirdo on my 1 S-MF here

[Titus]

If we are right, we can stick a lookout on him.

If you think it's time for an epic move, do it.

[Titus]

Town loses in a 2 v 2 scenario btw.

[Banshis]

Im bored to toy with you all. Read this; coz here is my point.

NotiZ is clearly not Town. What can happen if we lynch the evil Jester? Kill 1/2 town, and all the jesters. Plus that day we will lose 1 probably (Mafia kill) and another efect we dont know.

That Day will end 2 vs 2 ( 2 Mafia, 2 town)
And in those cases, from my point of view town will win.


I don't get it. How will town win if that happens? Mafia won't kill each other and then they kill a townie at night.

[glswadow]

If we are right, we can stick a lookout on him.

If you think it's time for an epic move, do it.

I started when I lynched NotiZ.
Yet still, im wondering why we are here only 5 players.

[Banshis]

To go along with that. What do you mean " another effect we don't know"

[Titus]

To go along with that. What do you mean " another effect we don't know"

He's referring to the unknown mafia.

[glswadow]

I don't get it. How will town win if that happens? Mafia won't kill each other and then they kill a townie at night.

Well, the point is that we dont know who roles will left. And since we have more chances of having good roles (Like Vigi etc..) My point that the odds the 1 day are more than in the other days of having a good result.

And i mean we dont know who is the Random mafia, aint we?

[glswadow]

Town loses in a 2 v 2 scenario btw.

Dont be so sure. Being only 4 is very easy to know who is who. If we have only 1 BD, 1 Vigi, 1 Doc, even 1 Vet.... The chances are the chances, you dont know what could happen

[Banshis]

Well, the point is that we dont know who roles will left. And since we have more chances of having good roles (Like Vigi etc..) My point that the odds the 1 day are more than in the other days of having a good result.

And i mean we dont know who is the Random mafia, aint we?

I realize that you meant random mafia for that.

Sadly your logic on that fails though. There are no town killing roles in the setup so it is a guaranteed loss for town at that point. Only useful role against mafia in that case is an escort, but it won't get you anywhere still since you won't have the lynches.

[Titus]

Vigilante isn't in this setup. Otherwise, I'd just advocate shooting NoctiZ.

Actually, we'd be better off if we did want to take a gamble on a jester doing it with 5 players. That's still not the best play but ok.

[Banshis]

Possible random town: sheriff/investigator/citizen/doctor/lookout/escort

[Banshis]

Sadly I still don't think the chance going for the jester is good. Doctor doesn't even heal the suicide to prevent a townie from dying. We have no game-changing roles at that point where town could turn it on the mafia. It is a loss at the 2v2 point.

[Titus]

Sadly I still don't think the chance going for the jester is good. Doctor doesn't even heal the suicide to prevent a townie from dying. We have no game-changing roles at that point where town could turn it on the mafia. It is a loss at the 2v2 point.

Lynching the jester with 6 is the best play because half the targets are zonks. Still I don't like it. Seems pro maf. Of course, if noctiz is pro mafia, his ally would make him look like jester. Not sure how this should play out.

[Titus]

@glshadow, Convince me noctiZ is mafia not jester.

[Banshis]

I was looking at friendly jester rolecard and....

If there is 1 mafia left and friendly jester is lynched will the last mafia suicide or survive?

[Banshis]

Lynching a jester in this set-up will be pro-mafia. Evil Jester- Kills half the town and has a good chance of ending in a 2v2

Friendly Jester- Kills 1 mafia and both jesters are dead along with a town dead. Mafia still has a chance after that.

Jester just isn't the way to go. No way is it worth risk.

[powerofdeath]

I was looking at friendly jester rolecard and....

If there is 1 mafia left and friendly jester is lynched will the last mafia suicide or survive?

That mafia will suicide

[Titus]

Does the game end in a 1 v 1 v 1? One being a jester. The mafia has equal town but can't autolynch.

[Banshis]

I'd like to hear some other voices. I'm fairly convinced that NoctiZ is our first jester. I don't have an idea on the 2nd jester. The 2nd jester is probably one of the people who have posted like 1 or 2 things or he hasn't posted at all yet.

[glswadow]

I'd like to hear some other voices. I'm fairly convinced that NoctiZ is our first jester. I don't have an idea on the 2nd jester. The 2nd jester is probably one of the people who have posted like 1 or 2 things or he hasn't posted at all yet.

And i am?

[powerofdeath]

Does the game end in a 1 v 1 v 1? One being a jester. The mafia has equal town but can't autolynch.

If 1 is mafia, 1 is jester, and 1 is town, the game will not end because they could lynch the jester or jester give up and choose a side
Its like in sc2 mafia

[Banshis]

And i am?

Well I don't believe you are a jester because you wouldn't want to risk losing the game by lynching your opposing jester. I don't have a read on whether your town or mafia. I've noticed you haven't read the set-up if you believed there were vigilantes and bus drivers.

Although you willing to risk losing half the town by lynching a jester is definitely scummy.

[Banshis]

If 1 is mafia, 1 is jester, and 1 is town, the game will not end because they could lynch the jester or jester give up and choose a side
Its like in sc2 mafia

Basically at that point then it would be either lynch the jester (friendly kills mafia, but mafia kills town too ending in a jester wins) (evil jester kills townie along with mafia. mafia/jester win) Jester won't decide so that is actually the only choice. At that point town is done for. If the jester is nice then maybe town will win, but most likely town is finished.

[Banshis]

Anyways I need to get some sleep. I'm getting really sick so I can't be up all night watching this. In the morning I'll read everything over and post again.

[Titus]

I can't follow you that far Banshis. He's also taking the risk of playing the rest of the game alone if he's scum. That risk is too big.

Banshis, the jester would side with the town in that scenario. He has to get lynched to win. The only way he does that is by claiming. Neither of the other two would claim jester because lynching for them is losing. The jester would then self-hammer.

[Banshis]

I can't follow you that far Banshis. He's also taking the risk of playing the rest of the game alone if he's scum. That risk is too big.

Banshis, the jester would side with the town in that scenario. He has to get lynched to win. The only way he does that is by claiming. Neither of the other two would claim jester because lynching for them is losing. The jester would then self-hammer.

Took one last look before I went to bed. Yea I can see that. So basically unless he is very confident that he can get along by himself as mafia GLswadow is town.

I'm going to have to see in the morning if more people start to speak up. Anyways I'm out now.

[Titus]

Took one last look before I went to bed. Yea I can see that. So basically unless he is very confident that he can get along by himself as mafia GLswadow is town.

I'm going to have to see in the morning if more people start to speak up. Anyways I'm out now.

I didn't say that. Glshadow could be mafia bussing his teammate, figuring that I was onto NoctiZ. Also, he could be a gambler figuring a 50/50 shot of having one of them suicide versus getting rid of the escort. Is glshadow's a gambler (like we've seen), he could be mafia. Not sure. However, he'd have to be a hell of a gamber. It's probably too big but I wouldn't confirm him as town. Otherwise, the mafia would feel free to gamble on lynches and look town.

[glswadow]

Getting some sleep. Cya brahs

[Titus]

Hello lurkers, I'd like someone to talk to.

[Titus]

Screw it. I reread. I think Noctiz is mafia.

NoctiZ

[Nicole]

Hi all. I'm here.

I've thought hard about the setup. And I think that the my best chance to win is to claim now and getting to the good sides of both Mafia and Town. I'm a Jester. I forsee that this game will approach lynch or lose sooner or later. And we jesters hold the dice. When that time comes, please remember that I am the most cooperative. Please lynch me over the other.

To Mafia, I will always stall your lynch (unless you do not want to lynch me). Now, I'm under suspicion of Town and I will help waste a night of investigation by the Sheriff. You are safe for another day. And you will not waste a kill on me, your ally.

To Town, my action will help with your roleclaims. You can lynch at peace (while you still have the majority). But I have one request. Please do not random lynch. Lynch only if you have hard evidence.

This will be my only post for the next few days until the game reach the stage of lynch or lose. Good luck to all and have a good game.

[Nicole]

Addendum: I can prove that I'm a jester; I can send someone a message tonight. Everyone can vote to whom I should send the message to. Vote by -message [name]

[Poriomania]

A whole day of meetings. Posting to avoid replacement.

I'll try to get up some more posts tomorrow or the day after but no promises.

[Sen]

Can we stop talking about the setup and the possible roles and do something like actually... you know, play?

Talking about the meta is plain stupid.

[Banshis]

Well I am back and we have a jester claim.

@Titus I don't exactly think that NoctiZ is a mafia, but he could be just trying to look more like jester do avoid getting killed. If you could possibly tell us why you think he is jester over mafia. Otherwise I'm ready to vote him.

@Sen The talk about the set-up was because glswadow didn't read it to know the possible roles. His plan on lynching the jester had many flaws on it because of that. We are playing by doing a RVS. As you can see Titus was able to get a lot of reactions out of NoctiZ by random voting him.

@Nicole Claiming may be the best way for you to go, but it is a big risk. Who do you think is your opposing jester?

[Sinclair]

Hey guys I'm here but I'm still in Boston. Ill read the thread when I get home today I may not be able to post again though =\

Good luck all

[Banshis]

I'll be back in a couple hours. If anything happens...

NoctiZ

[Nicole]

Towns will want to act like a jester to avoid being killed. Especially those holding important town roles. I'm not confident of my jester act. I believe others might soft claim better than I do. Thus, I think my choice is the least risky.

Opposing jester? Too early to tell. I'm hunting for my nemesis too. You just gave me a good idea. I changed me mind about lurking.

[glswadow]

Hihi bros. What's up?

[Dagaen]

I just wanna test if self-hammering is possible.

Dagaen

[Dagaen]

I just wanna test if self-hammering is possible.

Dagaen

Hmmm...Nothing so far, perhaps it needs time.

Funny how many claims we got already. If Nicole is Jester he should be really unwilling to lynch, because he doesn't want other Jester to win.

[Dagaen]

Ok, apparently you can't self-hammer. Good to know.

As for Nicole's message, I'd vote myself:P

-message Dagaen

[Titus]

Guys I don't think Nicole is a jester at all. I think she's claiming lookout. Smart move but you made it obvious.

1) Claim jester
2) Tell town that everyone will want to be jester. Implication: I am not jester.
3) Try to trick a jester into visiting a known target.
4) Camp on said target.
5) Reveal results confirming as town and eliminating a jester.

My advice. Camp on mafia targets. Given we have a lot of town, you can stop the mafia from killing me Day 1.

[Dagaen]

But aren't Jesters immune to LOs? They troll before LO looks, so I'm assuming they can't be detected.

[Titus]

Lookouts usually detect everything. Just to be sure I am right.

Can the lookout see jesters?

[Titus]

On another note, what do you think of NoctiZ as consort Daegan?

[Nicole]

Active - unlikely to be jesters

Noctiz
Titus
Banshis
Dagaen
Glshadow

Lookout and Doctors should protect them.

Lurking - TPR with feedbacks or jesters

Ika
Porio
Sen
Sinclair

Sheriff, Investigator and Escort should visit them. Free kills for Mafia.

[Dagaen]

On another note, what do you think of NoctiZ as consort Daegan?

I've read your discussion twice and I don't think NoctiZ is mafia. Basically you were attacking and NoctiZ was defending all the time. You guys just started discussing, exchanging arguments about the game and it's very easy to see your opponent as evil/stupid in the heat of discussion:P

Perhaps you could gather all your evidence against NoctiZ in one single post? Right now I don't see anything conclusive.

[Nicole]

Oh! And...





Notable notes:

Day1
#98 NoctiZ claimed Escort
#99 Titus claimed Citizen
#190 Nicole claimed Jester
RVS arguments and accusations between NoctiZ and Titus.

[Dagaen]

Conspiracy theory: Titus and NoctiZ are both mafia and started big discussion to act like they are both scum-hunting townies:D

Funny how our "Jester" tries to help everybody:P

[Titus]

Active - unlikely to be jesters


Lookout and Doctors should protect them.

Lurking - TPR with feedbacks or jesters


Sheriff, Investigator and Escort should visit them. Free kills for Mafia.


There is No doctor in this setup.

Nicole now is trying to do recaps which is going to create a subtle association in my mind between her and Buchwalter. Not exactly the smartest play but appears to be a jester type move.

As for Daegan's post... you labeled it conspiracy theory. I think that's all that has to be said there. However, I'll go a step further and say usually mafia discuss before bussing each other.

[Titus]

AS for the NoctiZ evidence

1) Tells us veterans are immune to RVS, and not to bother analyzing his response
2) Claims town PR very early
3) When the pressure gets on, he starts acting like a jester... but has slips. For instance, focusing on one type of jester despite the setup being clear that jesters don't even know who they are with
4) Post 108, NoctiZ says his play could be a mafia play. What town does that?
5) He also refers to "dropping knowledge" right before his claim. What knowledge would he have the rest of us don't? Unless he's mafia.

[Nicole]

S-FM Be careful on who you lynch!

Random Mafia
Mafioso
Sheriff
Doctor
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Friendly Jester
Evil Jester


Possible random mafia: Consort/consigliere/janitor/mafioso/framer/blackmailer

Possible random town: sheriff/investigator/citizen/doctor/lookout/escort



Consort
Roleblock one person each night preventing them from their night action
Immune to roleblocks
Informed when target is immune to roleblocks

Consigliere
Investigate one person each night for their exact role
Both jesters will just come up as Jester

Janitor
Clean a target to prevent the town seeing his role and last will
Have 3 cleanings
OR
Mass clean everyone who will die this night(useful if jester got lynched and half of town will suicide)
Have one cleaning
Cannot do both kind of cleaning
Once you clean a single target, you cannot use mass cleaning
Once you use your mass cleaning, you cannot use single cleaning
Single cleaning is a visit to the dead body
Mass cleaning is not a visit

Blackmailer
Blackmail a person to do any actions you want them to do

If you are blackmailed to not speak, you may say "I am blackmailed." Once only if you are l-2
If BMer want you to claim you are/were blackmailed you will not be punished when you claim you are/were blackmailed. However you can be punished for claiming you are blackmailed to claim you are/were blackmailed.
Suicide if reveal blackmails while blackmailed, past blackmails while blackmailed, or failed to do their task by end of the day


Framer
Frame somebody each night to any role you want to appear to the invest(eg citizen) any alignment you want to appear to the sheriff(eg not suspicious)
Can target mafioso
Can not target self

Mafioso:
Choose one target to kill each night

Sheriff:
Investigate one target each night
Feedback will come up as either Mafia or Not suspicious

Investigator:
Investigate one target each night
Feedback will be one of the investigating pairing
Consig/invest
Escort/consort/lookout/janitor
Jesters/citizen/mafioso
Sheriff/framer/blackmailer/doctor

Lookout:
Visit one person each night
Get feedback of everyone who visit your target

Citizen:
Power in vote

Doctor:
Heal one person each night saving them from attack
Get informed victim was attacked
Does not heal suicide

Escort
Roleblock one person each night preventing them from their night actions
Immune to roleblocks
Not informed if target is immune to roleblocks

Friendly Jester
Get publicly executed
When lynched, one random mafia will suicide to guilt
You will not know if you are Friendly or Evil
Upon death, it will not reveal which alignment you are
If other jester get lynched, you will suicide because you are fired from being a jester and the other guy did way better job than you did
May send one troll image and/or one line of message to somebody each night
Message MUST BE off topic
It cannot relate to anything about the game or SC2Mafia in general
Message example: Hi, it's a beautiful day!


Evil Jester
Get publicly executed
When lynched, 50% of town (rounded down if odd) will suicide to guilts
You will not know if you are Friendly or Evil
Upon death, it will not reveal which alignment you are
Be the first Jester to get lynched
If other jester get lynched, you will suicide because you are fired from being a jester and the other guy did way better job than you did
May send one troll image and/or one line of message to somebody each night
Message MUST BE off topic
It cannot relate to anything about the game or SC2Mafia in general
Message example: Hi, it's a beautiful day!




Jesters troll
Lookout look(affected by roleblocks)
Consort/Escort roleblock
Mafioso Kill
Doctor heal
Janitor single target clean
Blackmailer blackmail
Framer frame
Sheriff/investigstor/consig investigate
Suicide
Janitor Mass clean



24 hours day/night
51 percent needed to lynch
Last wills are allowed
Death notes are allowed
No editing or deleting posts
Required to post everyday unless blackmailed
Yes pics
No video
No skyping/PMing
Questions in Green
People who are inactive or break rules will either be replaced or modkilled
It will start on Day 1



There are two Jesters, one friendly and one evil.
The friendly jester will kill one mafia when lynched
The evil jester will kill half of the town when lynched
The jester will suicide to failure when the other jester succeed in getting lynched
(this prevent when town still outnumber mafia after evil jester get lynched and friendly jester can easily say VOTE ME IM JESTER, IF YOU DO, THEN MAFIA WILL DIE!)
It will not matter who voted the jester, half of the mafia or town will suicide whether of not they voted the jester.
Since jester can 'annoy' people in sc2 mafia, i made the annoy more interesting



Mafia - eliminate town
Town - eliminate mafia
Jesters - Be the first jester to get lynched


For lazy bums.

[Titus]

I take back my claim of there being no doctor.

I'll be back laterish.

[Dagaen]

AS for the NoctiZ evidence

1) Tells us veterans are immune to RVS, and not to bother analyzing his response
2) Claims town PR very early
3) When the pressure gets on, he starts acting like a jester... but has slips. For instance, focusing on one type of jester despite the setup being clear that jesters don't even know who they are with
4) Post 108, NoctiZ says his play could be a mafia play. What town does that?
5) He also refers to "dropping knowledge" right before his claim. What knowledge would he have the rest of us don't? Unless he's mafia.

1) I more-or-less agree with him. I mean you certainly don't expect that he will slip just because you put some pressure on him when he already faced such pressure few times.

2) Well, this is weird. But we have confirmed Doctor in setup (you said there is none, quite weird for experienced player like yourself), so this claim may be quite safe. It's like "Doc on me". Sure, he might be Consort trying to neutralize Doc. We will see.

3) Setup is quite unusual for all I know, it's easy to forget some aspects of it. Again, you forgot confirmed Doctor, which is even weirder.

4) I've read it as logical argument, because you focused only on Jester play.

5) I've read this as "helping newbies understand this game" :P

Yup, I defended him against all your points. I don't like claiming Escort so early, but if he was Consort this would be too easy. My guess is that he is Town/Jester, I don't see Mafia behavior in it. Maybe because I'm newbie:P

[Titus]

@Daegan, you are no newbie on this site. You've been here over a year. Look underneath your AV.

[NoctiZ]

AS for the NoctiZ evidence

1) Tells us veterans are immune to RVS, and not to bother analyzing his response
2) Claims town PR very early
3) When the pressure gets on, he starts acting like a jester... but has slips. For instance, focusing on one type of jester despite the setup being clear that jesters don't even know who they are with
4) Post 108, NoctiZ says his play could be a mafia play. What town does that?
5) He also refers to "dropping knowledge" right before his claim. What knowledge would he have the rest of us don't? Unless he's mafia.

Easy.

1) So? My opinion, doesn't contribute to scumminess.
2) You think stalling is better? I stated why I claimed my role: I could even hinder town and you would be unnecessarily focusing me. You also wanted a claim.
3) I don't see where I started acting like a jester, I told you I forgot that jesters didn't know what type of jester they are. I'm like Orpz regarding that thing.
4) A town who wants to show your slip. A town who recognizes his own play
5) The knowledge that random voting a veteran is more often than not helpful

I wouldn't have needed to type out this response if you had actually read my defenses instead of blatantly ignoring them.

[NoctiZ]

Edit:

5) more often than not not helpful

[NoctiZ]

1) I more-or-less agree with him. I mean you certainly don't expect that he will slip just because you put some pressure on him when he already faced such pressure few times.

2) Well, this is weird. But we have confirmed Doctor in setup (you said there is none, quite weird for experienced player like yourself), so this claim may be quite safe. It's like "Doc on me". Sure, he might be Consort trying to neutralize Doc. We will see.

3) Setup is quite unusual for all I know, it's easy to forget some aspects of it. Again, you forgot confirmed Doctor, which is even weirder.

4) I've read it as logical argument, because you focused only on Jester play.

5) I've read this as "helping newbies understand this game" :P

Yup, I defended him against all your points. I don't like claiming Escort so early, but if he was Consort this would be too easy. My guess is that he is Town/Jester, I don't see Mafia behavior in it. Maybe because I'm newbie:P

Hey nice, someone understood my arguments. Tis a good day.

[Dagaen]

@Daegan, you are no newbie on this site. You've been here over a year. Look underneath your AV.


But this is my 3rd FM, so I'm still quite fresh. You are really eager to analyze everything^^

[Dagaen]

"Dagaen and NoctiZ are mafia buddies" incoming in 3...2...1!

[Titus]

1) Veterans being immune is an opinion. Telling us not to analyze is scummy. Pretty clear deterrent.
2) You should have accused me of rolefishing. I wasn't. I was expecting you to accuse that behavior as scummy rather than to actually claim. You accusing me of being scummy would have provided me protection from the mafia.
3) I don't care who you're like. Your concern with the evil jester suggests that you are not town aligned.
4) What slip?
5) You already "dropped" that knowledge. Your post was clearly about some other form of knowledge.

I gotta go. Be back in a few hours.

[NoctiZ]

1) Veterans being immune is an opinion. Telling us not to analyze is scummy. Pretty clear deterrent.
2) You should have accused me of rolefishing. I wasn't. I was expecting you to accuse that behavior as scummy rather than to actually claim. You accusing me of being scummy would have provided me protection from the mafia.
3) I don't care who you're like. Your concern with the evil jester suggests that you are not town aligned.
4) What slip?
5) You already "dropped" that knowledge. Your post was clearly about some other form of knowledge.

I gotta go. Be back in a few hours.

1) I told you not to bother doing that when random voting veteran. You are twisting my words, scummy.
2) There were two people wanting a role claim and I didn't see why not. Pretty easy. Also why would you want protection from the mafia as citizen? You should take a night kill instead of trying to survive for longer in almost every case.
3) But the friendly jester helps out the town... ? Gonna reread after this post
4) The slip that you accused my play of being that of a jester while it could've been that of a mafia too.
5) Nope, that was the only thing I intended to say.

[Dagaen]

Day is coming to the end so here's my attempt of suming it up.

Number of posts and their content:

Titus - 64 (helping newbies, leading town, accusing NoctiZ)
Banshis - 49 (asking questions, sharing thoughts)
Noctiz - 37 (advicing newbies, defending himself against Titus)
glswadow - 29 (spam, spam)
Dagaen - 20 (asking questions, sharing thoughts)
Sen - 7 (kind of active lurking)
Nicole - 6 (lurking into being town-friendly Jester)
Poriomania - 2 (AFK)
Ika - 1 (AFK)
Sinclair - 1 (AFK)

Claims:

NoctiZ - Escort
Titus - Citizen
Nicole - Jester

[Sinclair]

Alrighty guys I'm home I've been unpacking and stuffs.

I'll read through the thread now. Hopefully I can get my opinion in.

[Sinclair]

NoctiZ

IMO it's either him or glswadow.

Most likely NoctiZ.

[powerofdeath]

Lookouts usually detect everything. Just to be sure I am right.

Can the lookout see jesters?

No, jester trolls are before lookout look in OoO
Also you cannot self hammer
I believe I made a huge HUGE HUGE mistake!

[Sinclair]

No, jester trolls are before lookout look in OoO
Also you cannot self hammer
I believe I made a huge HUGE HUGE mistake!

How so? What mistake?

[powerofdeath]

How so? What mistake?

The problem is being resolved
Somebody had the wrong role card
Not saying who and I asked the person to not reveal the mistake

[NoctiZ]

NoctiZ

IMO it's either him or glswadow.

Most likely NoctiZ.

That's cool, mind providing some own thoughts, especially the arguments presented by both sides?

[Dagaen]

The problem is being resolved
Somebody had the wrong role card
Not saying who and I asked the person to not reveal the mistake

Lol, I hope that it's one of the AFK guys xD

Anyway, why do you vote NoctiZ ? Be careful on who you lynch ffs!

[Sinclair]

That's cool, mind providing some own thoughts, especially the arguments presented by both sides?

You claimed escort, I don't see why you'd claim escort so early with no reasoning behind it other than one person voting you and other people saying hmm about you.

And swadow was just annoying.

[Sinclair]

Lol, I hope that it's one of the AFK guys xD

Anyway, why do you vote NoctiZ ? Be careful on who you lynch ffs!

Why're you protecting NoctiZ? You his scum buddy?

[Dagaen]

I'm protecting Town against lynching bad Jester. I'm not that stupid to protected fellow Mafia buddy in such obvious way if I were one.

Also evidence against NoctiZ...well, we only have his role claim. Not enough to tell by this that he is Mafia.

If he flips Maf I'd be probably in trouble but I'm willing to risk it. I was against lynching d1 btw.

[NoctiZ]

You claimed escort, I don't see why you'd claim escort so early with no reasoning behind it other than one person voting you and other people saying hmm about you.

And swadow was just annoying.

I told you my perfectly fine reasoning that did not only contain "because I was asked to". Of course I would have hidden a role such as the Doctor, but I am a mere Escort who may be a hindrance to the town at times. I am a bit more worth than a citizen yet I can also disturb the flow of the game in both directions and it's why I decided that revealing isn't so bad.

[NoctiZ]

I'm protecting Town against lynching bad Jester. I'm not that stupid to protected fellow Mafia buddy in such obvious way if I were one.

Also evidence against NoctiZ...well, we only have his role claim. Not enough to tell by this that he is Mafia.

If he flips Maf I'd be probably in trouble but I'm willing to risk it. I was against lynching d1 btw.

Well don't worry, I will flip town. Although I see the motives of a Jester in your play, though not much of it.

[Dagaen]

I know, Jester will be against any lynching because he will be afraid of losing the game by killing his counterpart.

Since we are talking about jesters - perhaps we should vote on Nicole poll and decide who will receive his confirmation. I already voted myself:P

[NoctiZ]

I know, Jester will be against any lynching because he will be afraid of losing the game by killing his counterpart.

Since we are talking about jesters - perhaps we should vote on Nicole poll and decide who will receive his confirmation. I already voted myself:P

That's not the reason I tagged you as possible Jester; I suspect that you suspect me of being Mafia and in the case I get lynched you would go down with me. Although you did seem to understand my arguments, which is why I said that I only see a small signs of a Jester in your play.

[ika]

well just got home from work had to close one night and open the next.....

seems like we had a fun day lets go!

NoctiZ

[ika]

I will be around to answer all your pointless questions and will do so if i feel like it

[Dagaen]

L - 1...

[NoctiZ]

Psst Nicole, hammer me!

[powerofdeath]

DAY END IN 30 MINUTES

[ika]

DAY END IN 29 MINUTES


Fixed

[Sen]

inb4 last minute hammer.

[ika]

inb4 last minute hammer.

in b4 you are the hammer voter.

in b4 hammer.

in b4 another update about time left

[Dagaen]

I don't like that all lurkers and AFKers suddenly became active now.

[Sen]

in b4 you are the hammer voter.

I won't. No need to risk losing the game this early.

[Sen]

I don't like that all lurkers and AFKers suddenly became active now.

* goes back to lurking in silence.

[Titus]

Since when does ika agree with me?

I am worried thay NoctiZ is jester but not worried enough to unvote him. Please hammer.

[NoctiZ]

Oh yeah, I forgot to say that.

I sense manipulating from Titus so beware. Keep a good eye on her and question her play.