Somebody has to start the dead chat conversation anyway.

[FM Bishop]

I am the *dramatic drumming for tension* Investigator! Let's see if they figure it out before the Journalist says something.

[FM Ferengi]

I am the *dramatic drumming for tension* Investigator! Let's see if they figure it out before the Journalist says something.

A shame you died so early.

[FM Bishop]

As of now, I think we have two Blackmailer and two Drug Dealer in the Mafia.

I was blackmailed night 1 and didn't complete my task. It seems very likely that Colmyer and Morgan received a, and the same, blackmail message. This forces a second Blackmailer in the mafia team. This also forces a Drug Dealer in the Mafia team, as one of Colmyer and Morgan was drugged.

I'm pretty sure that the roleblocks are legit. Admittedly Monroe's post that was pointed out Cohen suggest the possibility of Galletta lying about it, I have reasons to believe differently.

Cafarelli play makes sense if he isn't lying or if he tries to get lynched/killed. I'm assuming the former, thus he was drugged night 1. The same thing is this true for Cohen. As such I think there is an additional Drug Dealer in the Mafia's team.

Lastly we have the bus driven claims. I can image that there is only one Bus Driver in the game, with the Mafia lying about receiving bus driven feedbacks. With 2 Drug Dealers they can easily fake a Bus Driver if they wish to do so. I was pretty sure about this when Monroe claimed bus driven. But with Dunn claiming bussed, too, I'm not so sure about it anymore. It's still a possibility but it seems quite risky to me to expose 2 Mafia members, UNLESS they used one Drug Dealer to fake a bus driven feedback.

Recap of what I think happened night 1 and 2:
Night 1:
Blackmailer 1: blackmailed Bishop.
Blackmailer 2: roleblocked.
Drug Dealer 1: drugged Cafarelli with no-feedback drug.
Drug Dealer 2: drugged Cohen with poisoned drug.
Bus Driver: switches Hogeboom and Mendez.
3 Roleblockers blocked Galetta/Colmyer/Hopgood (max 1 Consort, might be none)

Day 1:
Mason lies about being bus driven.
All other feedback claims legit.

Night 2:
Blackmailer 1: can't do shit - Bishop didn't complete his blackmail task.
Blackmailer 2: blackmailed Morgan ("Do not contribute to the day chat in any way by only quoting from Sarah Kane's play 'Cleansed'")
Drug Dealer 1: drugged Colmyer with Morgan's blackmail message.
Drug Dealer 2: drugged Dunn/Galloway/Lichtmann with bus driven drug.
Bus Driver: switched the remaining two.
3 Roleblockers blocked Buchwalter/Bekowsky/Chapman.

Day 2:
Monroe lies about being bus driven.

People whom I believe to be Mafia:
Galletta (Blackmailer): pretty much disappeared in the day 2 chat.
Monroe (Blackmailer/Drug Dealer): lied about being bus driven; dug his own grave on day 2 all by himself
Mason (Consort): lied about being bus driven
??? (Godfather)
??? (Drug Dealer/Blackmailer)
??? (Drug Dealer)

It feels good to have talked about it.

[FM Bishop]

Oh, day chat rage is fun to read. I like how Cafarelli thinks that the Consort and the Kidnapper have to be confirmed roles. :laugh:

Btw, would the interview have been enough to fulfill my blackmail?

[FM Ferengi]

Btw, would the interview have been enough to fulfill my blackmail?

Nope. Blackmail must be fulfilled in daychat. While your interview technically was posted in daychat, nobody knew it was coming from you.

[FM Bishop]

Nope. Blackmail must be fulfilled in daychat. While your interview technically was posted in daychat, nobody knew it was coming from you.
I disagree, the Journalist knew.

But why is the dead chat actually a private forum? I'd like to see some discussion about the day chat.

[FM Ferengi]

I disagree, the Journalist knew.

But why is the dead chat actually a private forum? I'd like to see some discussion about the day chat.

I just realized: The guy who died N1 is eligible to replace back into the game and has been removed from seeing this chat (it was a permissions error initially), and the other guy who was lynched has since been permabanned from the site (and cannot log in even on FM anon accounts). So it really is just you for now, or at least until more people die.

This should hopefully get more active after the upcoming night cycle (since I'm not sure if there will be a lynch today).

[FM Bishop]

Hello Becket!
I'm guessing you were bussed into your death.
Let's see what other feedback is coming in tonight. Two Drug Dealers faking the existence of a Kidnapper is still possible. But if I see that these were used elsewhere then I guess I'll have to throw out that possibility out of the window. I think that no Mafia claimed to have been driven tonight. They wouldn't want to do that every day.

[FM Bishop]

It is quite possible that Cafarelli was double drugged: clean all feedbacks, add a fake pairing.
But that would mean that the Mafia has a Kidnapper as I don't think they would claim bus driven feedbacks 3 out of 3 nights. Which in turn means that Mason and Monroe really were bus driven. Which also means that there is no Consort (no space - Consort swapped for Kidnapper) and that I followed an Escort on night one.
3 claims day 1: One of the Mafia was switched by the kidnapper and did not claim or Gage was switch killed.
4 claims day 2: Kidnapper only switched two townies while the Bus Driver hit a mafia? Dunn/Lichtmann/Galloway; I suspect Dunn and Galloway the most out of those 3.

Cohen seems to be trying to get the Mafia to kill him in case he doesn't get lynched. Or the above scenario isn't correct (double drugged) and he is actually scum/Cafarelli is neutral.
Cohan being Blacksmith is also a possibility seeing that there is a witch in play, but I don't think that's the case.

[FM Bishop]

I think this forum is still set to private. There are 4 threads with 12 posts listed, but I can only see my own thread.

[FM Ferengi]

I think this forum is still set to private. There are 4 threads with 12 posts listed, but I can only see my own thread.

I've alerted the appropriate people about the problem, however I don't have the power to fix this myself. :(
I apologize; hopefully this gets resolved as soon as possible.

[FM Bishop]

Hooray! It is fixed!

[FM Cohen]

Sorry I burnt the host. They had to go through extensive surgery to get deadchat working.

[FM Bishop]

Btw why did you choose not to douse anyone?

[FM Colmyer]

All I have to say is;

Worth it.

I made a mistake by claiming I had been blackmailed while currently blackmailed. I knew I was screwed from there.
But I guess since I was a simple citizen, It was good for the town. I gave them a good chunk of information.

The only thing I did not reveal is that I was jailed on N2, by his request. :)

[FM Bishop]

I might have very well made the same mistake as you, Colmyer. And we should be seeing the other blackmail of night 3 in action today.

If we only have two roleblocked claims today I'm going to assume the Monroe was an Escort before he was converted to a Savage on night 2.

[FM Cohen]

Btw why did you choose not to douse anyone?

Arson is a very late game role, and with dousing being announced, I didn't want anyone to start looking for him around day 3-4 like in every other game.
And my invest pairing gave me no chance whatsoever to claim any town roles in it. Since all of them would be easy to confirm. And the 2 mafia roles in my pairing were almost guarantied to be in the game after d2.

and.... if I were to douse anyone to kill them, you would have been my target n2 (but mafia took care of you first)

I hate lurking and laying low, not my type of play style. I was kinda hoping that town investigation PRs would be more detective/lookouts and less invest/sheriffs. Not doing anything, I would avoid them better and maybe even be looked on as a citizen since I was doing nothing.

My initial plan to claim poisoned to tip off the mafia wasn't a bad plan and completely plausible, but I knew that to do it, I would have to do it before people could know what roles the mafia had... I was counting on there being at least 1 drug dealer in the game so I could claim drugged d2 after surviving.

I was thinking about claiming to be bussed d3, but I thought it might be just too convenient and I thought maybe Cafarelli was also bussed and didn't say anything about it.. seemed like a trap, so I decided against it.

Btw, I know Cafarelli is legit Investigator that was Drugged n1 with no feedback because one of the hosts slipped in skype chat saying:
"(Cafarelli's COM name) was complaining he didn't get his feedback on his invest results on Black"

and I saw it before even making my first post. I didn't want to use that information in game so I decided to claim poisoned regardless of the risks.. thought it would be fun anyways... and it was.

I'm now helping hosts so I know a bit more and I won't spoil anything.. so pardon me if I'm not posting here as much.

[FM Cohen]

Btw, my night actions:

n1: douse Switzerland
n2: Ignite (just making sure there wasn't 2 arsons in play)
n3: Do nothing.

[FM Bishop]

I think that scum needs the additional kpn provided by the Arsonist. And as you can burn during the day you can play the Arsonist like a Serial Killer. But I wholeheartedly agree that laying low isn't as much fun.

[FM Colmyer]

Yeah, I got confused by the rolecard, unfortunately. :(

Really a shame, but at this point I was better off dead. I knew too much for my own good, my death only confirmed that my claims were real. :x

[FM Morgan]

Omg, the town is so stupid... They see me FOS Ryan, then they see me die.
I wonder what caused that?
Phelps spoke about it once, yet didn't say anything else about it.
My boss had tried to recruit him N1 but failed, so I decided to get him lynched, it would be good for us no matter what he flipped -other than Neutral Evil- and since I was just a Savage and not a PR, I was expendable, so if it was a Beta/Alpha, and then they lynched me, nothing would be lost.
My allies and I decided that I would push, yet since I died, they have no idea what to do and won't push themselves. Gotta love it.

Lets all take bets on who is gonna win this.

My bet is on the Mafia.

The Town just seems like they won't get anything done, and the few smart players they had are dying off, or are getting ignored by the majority, which are the newer players.

[FM Bishop]

Dunno about that. The Arsonist died without killing anyone. Scum lacks some kpn to close this game out fast enough. I think that Town will win the game.

[FM Morgan]

Dunno about that. The Arsonist died without killing anyone. Scum lacks some kpn to close this game out fast enough. I think that Town will win the game.

You forget the Savages. Their added KPN is still significant. Also the Doctor is useless, as I was bussed the night I died, so thats a useless role. When the Savages start killing the Town will drop like stones.

[FM Cohen]

I think the savages might win this one, as long as the savage GF is alive, they control this game. Don't forget that most of the red mafias PRs also help the savages in most cases. And once the savages start killing instead of recruiting, I think town will be left behind in the dust as the 2 mafias fight it out... with the minor difference that savages can regenerate their numbers if needed.

Once savages get an invest / detective, finding citizens to recruit shouldn't be a problem. And they can pull off more risky gambits to force lynches - including trading their own for a mafia lynch/mislynch.

[FM Bishop]

No, they can't. The Cult is limited to 6 members, dead ones included. And there is already one Cult dead, making the maximum size of the living cult 5.

[FM Cohen]

Thats not what I understand of the rolecard, I read capped at 6 as in once at 6, you can't recruit again until one dies. I doesn't say you may only recruit 5 times.

[FM Morgan]

It's capped at 6 including dead. I was part of it, I would know. -Unless I'm just forgetting something right now-

My buddies MIGHT win it, they aren't really suspected, but personally, I think they should be trying to get a lynch on Ryan like we had planned. Killing him would be very beneficial to their cause.

If they can get Ryan killed, and the boss can stay off the radar, then I think they're good.

[FM Bishop]

Check out FAQ question 66. There it states clearly how the member limit is handled.

[FM Morgan]

Like I said. Dead Savages count.

[FM Bishop]

I wonder that there isn't any hint of a blackmailed target in the day chat.
n1: Bishop was blackmailed; second Blackmailer was roleblocked?
d1: Bishop did not fulfill his blackmail
n2: Colmyer and Morgan get blackmailed and drugged; first Blackmailer is unable to blackmail again due to unfulfilled blackmail on Bishop
d2: Colmyer and Morgan fulfill blackmail
n3: Colmyer and ??? get blackmailed
d3: Colmyer breaks blackmail but does not fulfill it; ??? keeps quite
n4: No Blackmailer can take action
d4: We should see the blackmail on ??? in action unless it was Morgan or Cohen

[FM Colmyer]

Well, the ??? has to make me appear town and stop lynch trains on me, but since I'm dead, I don't think he has anything to do.

I wish you wouldn't have acted on the blackmail after seeing that I did, Morgan. We both messed up by doing it on the first day.
I wouldn't have accidently broke my blackmail if I had decided to complete it on the second day. :(

[FM Bishop]

Why would ??? have to stop lynch trains on you? It probably is a completely different blackmail altogether.

[FM Colmyer]

I wouldn't be surprised if they used their DD on my Blackmail to blackmail a second person.

[FM Bishop]

This might be the case. But nonetheless the blackmail of Blackmailer that didn't target you isn't apparent. I would have thought that the target would try to make it obvious that it is blackmailed by abusing holes in the demands.

[FM Biggs]

I am the best citizen ever >.>

[FM Ballard]

soma as [quack].
I have no doubt Ryan will be lynched today at least.

[FM Morgan]

Any this is how the Savages lose...

[FM Ballard]

yeah we're pretty boned

Savage GF wants to kill and recruit endgame

[FM Bishop]

I still think that the town will win this game. All they have to do is ask who received Soma. Those that don't answer that call are confirmed scum to the soma distributor. Sadly it will take until night 7 to pass that information without revealing.

[FM Morgan]

You never know, I still think the Mafia is going to win. Phelps seems town to me and yet they decide to lynch him. We'll just have to see what happens.

[FM Bishop]

Mafia keeps consistently hitting Cult. Which removes Cult from being a treat to town. Which means in turn more time for town to destroy the Mafia. So far we are at 1 kpn. But well, let's see.

[FM Buchwalter]

I'm still reading the remaining pages on day 5, it ended a lot sooner then I would have though, only on post #720~.

Are we allowed to say our COM in death chat?

I will post more when I'm done reading. ^^

[FM Ferengi]

Are we allowed to say our COM in death chat?

Although threatening to mod kill you has less of an impact on dead players, please refrain from mentioning your COM until the end of the game.

[FM Buchwalter]

Are we allowed to say our COM in death chat?Although threatening to mod kill you has less of an impact on dead players, please refrain from mentioning your COM until the end of the game.

Ok I will not tell then.

But I most say that talking with (almost) correct grammar, is additive.

Second question:
Am I allowed to talk about my team's roles and actions? Or should I keep them to my self for a while?

[FM Buchwalter]

I'm going to bed, night all!

AMA and I will reply tomorrow.

[FM Ferengi]

Am I allowed to talk about my team's roles and actions? Or should I keep them to my self for a while?

You are, but I always find it more fun to make the other dead players guess at the roles and players in the mafia before spilling the beans. :p

[FM Colmyer]

Ooh. So on the night I suicided, the Mafia couldn't blackmail?

That made my suicide a bit better for the Town, I guess! c:

[FM Buchwalter]

Am I allowed to talk about my team's roles and actions? Or should I keep them to my self for a while?You are, but I always find it more fun to make the other dead players guess at the roles and players in the mafia before spilling the beans. :p

Yeah that is what I always do in SC2 -Mafia- as well, sadly also cause of the likelihood of cheaters, but you get what I mean.

At least i can clear a few of the things everyone is confused about.

[FM Buchwalter]

Ooh. So on the night I suicided, the Mafia couldn't blackmail?

That made my suicide a bit better for the Town, I guess! c:

Yes we could not blackmail anyone, because we had to wait for you to suicide. On the other hand, the lol-factor of having you be the first time we had two KPN, made it worth it!

[FM Buchwalter]

All I have to say is;

Worth it.

I made a mistake by claiming I had been blackmailed while currently blackmailed. I knew I was screwed from there.
But I guess since I was a simple citizen, It was good for the town. I gave them a good chunk of information.

Funny fact, the first blackmail was drugged.
Morgan had the real blackmail night 2.


The only thing I did not reveal is that I was jailed on N2, by his request. :)

Wait you were jailed? Why would the Jailor not want you to reveal this? That just make him totally useless, even more so with the chance of him being killed and un-confirm-able. (Is "unconfirmable" not a word? Some times I wonder about you Chrome spell-checker.)

[FM Buchwalter]

I am the *dramatic drumming for tension* Investigator! Let's see if they figure it out before the Journalist says something.

You do know that you claiming Investigator in the interview has only caused more confusion then good for the town, right?

I most say my running theory was that Morgan was the second Investigator, but I guess the (claimed) Coroner said he was Delta.

[FM Buchwalter]

Omg, the town is so stupid... They see me FOS Ryan, then they see me die.
I wonder what caused that?
Phelps spoke about it once, yet didn't say anything else about it.
My boss had tried to recruit him N1 but failed, so I decided to get him lynched, it would be good for us no matter what he flipped -other than Neutral Evil- and since I was just a Savage and not a PR, I was expendable, so if it was a Beta/Alpha, and then they lynched me, nothing would be lost.
My allies and I decided that I would push, yet since I died, they have no idea what to do and won't push themselves. Gotta love it.

We killed you mainly cause you were a voice of reason, and we thought you were a TPR. We were all pretty shocked to see you as a Savage.

I did not notice this FoSing of Ryan, and I can tell you that that was not why we killed you.


Lets all take bets on who is gonna win this.

My bet is on the Mafia.

As for your bet? If Hopgood is not the Savage Godfather, my bet is on the Savages. Sadly my guess on the Savage Godfather is Hopgood, so my bet goes to us, the Mafia.


The Town just seems like they won't get anything done, and the few smart players they had are dying off, or are getting ignored by the majority, which are the newer players.

And there you know why Parker is still alive.

[FM Buchwalter]

I wonder that there isn't any hint of a blackmailed target in the day chat.
n1: Bishop was blackmailed; second Blackmailer was roleblocked?
d1: Bishop did not fulfill his blackmail
n2: Colmyer and Morgan get blackmailed and drugged; first Blackmailer is unable to blackmail again due to unfulfilled blackmail on Bishop
d2: Colmyer and Morgan fulfill blackmail
n3: Colmyer and ??? get blackmailed
d3: Colmyer breaks blackmail but does not fulfill it; ??? keeps quite
n4: No Blackmailer can take action
d4: We should see the blackmail on ??? in action unless it was Morgan or Cohen

Bishop I can tell you that the reason we killed you was because of two things:

You were mocking us with the stupid blackmail that our Blackmailer sent out.
We learned that on the OoO, if we killed you, we could blackmail someone the same night.


No wasted blackmail, and we got the grin off your face.

[FM Buchwalter]

I am the best citizen ever >.>

Yes you were, awesome Delta.

Dying because town has nothing better to do, lots of fun.
Only good thing to come of your death was that we knew there was a Witch.

[FM Buchwalter]

I still think that the town will win this game. All they have to do is ask who received Soma. Those that don't answer that call are confirmed scum to the soma distributor. Sadly it will take until night 7 to pass that information without revealing.

Yeah, sadly my scapegoat was a confirm-able role. Had I done the math better when I got the Soma, I would have passed the Soma to our Blackmailer, that way I would not have been found out.

[FM Buchwalter]

My best bet of not getting lynched was if I could have gotten them to lynch Dunn instead, and then prevented Earle from publishing the single article.

Not sure how it would have gone after that, but getting me swapped with Rose so I would appear Delta was on my suggestion list. Appearing as Delta and there being a kill when I was role-blocked would have cleared me from being Mafia.

As for what would happen once Earle had been lynched? Blame the double kills on the Masons' Soma.

[FM Buchwalter]

My best bet for who the Savages are:

Hopgood as Savage Godfather


And that is it, apart from Bishop and Ballard talking as if there is more one just the Savage Godfather right now, I believe that he will wait a little before recruiting again.
All the TPRs are pretty reveal happy right now, so why not wait and see who is safe to recruit? Makes total sense to me.

Anyway, no one reading this? Come on, AMA!

[FM Bishop]

The Investigator claim in the interview was a setup to use your blackmail against you. At first I only wanted to roleblock your Blackmailer but over the course of day 2 I noticed that I could just seriously claim it. On night 2 I followed your drug dealer blackmailing Colmyer. I would have jumped Monroe because of the driving, but it might have worked out anyway. I could have rectified my claim to detective at any time.

[FM Bishop]

And it was seriously fun to taunt you with your own blackmail. :D

[FM Buchwalter]

And it was seriously fun to taunt you with your own blackmail. :D

Yeah. Night 1 was only 24 hours long, we did no get much time to talk.
Because of my time-zone I was also not there for the last 4th of the night.

We started out agreeing on not blackmailing or drugging anyone, but then when I was half way through the night one of our members came on and selected actions for all of us. Since I'm not a FM veteran, I did not know other players could even select an action on my behalf.

[FM Colmyer]

Hehe, Buchwalter...

Hopgood is not the Savage Godfather. Not even close, actually~

What were you planning with my blackmailing? I don't know who I was bussed with (To receive the real blackmail, which said to make me appear as town, etc...)

Was I going to be the Mafia's pawn?

[FM Morgan]

Yes, I can confirm that Hopgood is NOT the Savage GF.

[FM Morgan]

So keep guessing. Let's see how long it takes.

[FM Bishop]

I think that the Savage GF is one of the lurkers. My primary guess would be Rose. But there are quite a lot of others in that category.

[FM Bishop]

Did the cult or mafia manage to mske contact with the Witch?

[FM Buchwalter]

Hehe, Buchwalter...

Hopgood is not the Savage Godfather. Not even close, actually~

Wait how do you even know?


What were you planning with my blackmailing? I don't know who I was bussed with (To receive the real blackmail, which said to make me appear as town, etc...)

I guess you are not following the game anymore? Hogeboom claimed Bus Driver and said to have swapped you and Ackerman that night. This swapping we of course knew about cause we had tried to blackmail Ackerman.

As for the idea behind the blackmail? to begin with when we were talking about the blackmail it was to force the blackmail victim to vote you. But for some reason it was changed to that that you saw, I have no idea why it was changed to that and I found it silly as I do not see why anyone would vote you after you were blackmailed.


Was I going to be the Mafia's pawn?

I do not think anyone in the mafia even thought of the word pawn, so no we were just playing with you.
You seemed pretty townie and you were helpful to the town.

But plain causing confusion and hopefully more mislynches was most likely the idea.

[FM Buchwalter]

Did the cult or mafia manage to mske contact with the Witch?

No not that I know of, one of my mates may have been witched day 5 and did not claim it.
There was no witched claim for night 4 and 5, I am guessing Morgan was witched a second time, but I do not know.

We had a plan in the works for what we would do if it happened, but let us just say that there was some confusion in the planning.

[FM Colmyer]

Yeah, I've been quite busy and couldn't read through the last 50 pages.

And I have definite proof; and It's in Day chat somewhere. I'll let you reread and guess what Hopgood is :)

[FM Ferengi]

The mayor requested that I send this message to all of you guys in dead chat:


Entertaining the Dead Chat - Preview of Coming Attractions

My last will is taking longer than expected. So in the meantime, I figured I'd leave a message for you/the Dead Chat detailing my future plans for the game in the RARE event that I live.

I was supposed to die night 5, so no one would have figured out that Buchwalter had the soma previously. It fell apart because I lived and Earle was a role for which no one counterclaimed. I lived because of the witch. I don't buy it as a coincidence the kidnapper bussed the Mayor with such a lurker. No doctor would heal the lurker nor would a bus hit them. Remind me to thank the witch.

We have the consort responsible for blocking the kidnapper. Really, Monroe... are you just trying to [bleep] things up? His actions made me triple check my work before I could be certain that Phelps was the consort.

My playing of an idiot forced almost all the mafia to jump into my ear to defend Buchwalter. I hope it keeps working to draw out the consigliere and the blackmailer. If I had to pick, the consigliere is Ackerman, but it could be Black. Dunn is the Kidnapper.

It's also pretty obvious Hopgood is a savage. He's not the GF because Ballard was savaged night 1 and Hopgood was blocked on n1. (Long explanation in my will). I plan on outing Hopgood in exchange for his information if he's not clubbed to death within an inch of his life. He might think he'll get clubbed anyway but there's no harm in pressuring the twat.

I'm also going to keep pressuring Cafarelli, who I know is town at this point. I'm hoping to draw the consigliere out with a counterclaim. He's going to be very angry at my epic level of stupidity. I'm pretty good at playing dumb. Maybe she'll figure it out when I start directing her actions and start acting along with me.

Galloway and Carruthers are two wild cards at this point. I think by giving Galloway the soma, I've forced their hand a bit if Galloway is scum. Remote.

I'm also concerned about the longshot that Chapman is the Savage GF and Lichtmann is the mafia GF. Maybe I can convince Cafarelli to investigate Chapman to confirm. That might take both days. If Chapman comes back in the delta category, I'll be pretty sure of the identity of both GF. If Chapman is an executioner, we'll have confirmed the other neutral and go to town. To do that, I'd have to get Cafarelli the soma.

Therefore:

Goal Day 6: Lynch Dunn, Draw out consigliere or blackmailer (by asking for second escort who blocked Phelps on night 5), Get Cafarelli to find witch
Goal Night 7: Sit on my ass and survive... no passing soma so I cannot be witched. Get Hopgood clubbed (if he wasn't already). The witch will want to help the mafia to make up for his mistake in helping me live.
Goal Day 7: Lynch Witch if found, Otherwise, Lynch Phelps
Goal Night 8: If both witch and kidnapper dead, pass soma to Cafarelli (provided she's alive). If not hold soma again.
Goal Day 8: Last shot at finding witch to make my soma any good. Lynch witch or Ackerman. I would get additional soma here that I'd be holding.
Goal Night 9: Pass the bloody soma if possible. If not, let it die with me.
Goal Day 9: Lynch Witch or Black.
Goal Night 10: Well, you know now, etc... and so forth.

Enjoy Night Chat. Let's see what the mafia does to mess up my plan.

The paranoid part of my brain suggests that the hosts deliberately schemed the game out with the roles this way. I doubt it but I wouldn't be surprised.

Good luck all.

[FM Bishop]

It is indeed entertaining. Especially the part where he thinks that all the plans revolve around him. I expect Hogeboom to die tonight (roleblock + kill). Change of plan right there. And with so many Town PRs outed I can imagine that the cult goes some killing action, too. Nowhere does he account for the cult's actions. :)
And passing his soma from night 6 on night 9 won't do any good. Admittedly he can use it to send a message, but that's about it.

[FM Cohen]

He's going to be very angry at my epic level of stupidity

Quote of the game right there.

[FM Morgan]

Lol, he's gonna trip when he sees Hopgood isn't the Savage GF, or even a Savage for that matter.

[FM Morgan]

Also I don't plan on revealing the role I was before I was recruited to keep suspense.

[FM Colmyer]

Are we allowed to reveal the roles of living players, GM?

[Forum Mafia GM]

you can speculate.. just don't want mafia revealing their team mates since they know 100% that they are right.

[FM Colmyer]

Aye.

Hopgood is the Jailor.

You know that ''extra information I had that I didn't want to reveal'' the day before I died?

Yeah. After the day I was blackmailed, Hopgood jailed me to have a talk with me. He obviously hadn't revealed his name to me though.
He's been using a code.

;)

[FM Colmyer]

Eaten alive?
Make that a Devourer...?

But is that even possible? That would make the Witch impossible.

[FM Colmyer]

.. Or maybe ''eaten alive'' is just the Savage's kill.

I'm confused.
;w;

[FM Monroe]

I wasn't jailed, it was a savage kill :(

They probably thought I was consort. Dumb donnelly lol

[FM Monroe]

I also got witched on my final night, so my last will is going to be off on my last target.

[Forum Mafia GM]

we had a web of PR actions last night... took awhile to find out who was doing what after all the witching/blocking/bussing

[FM Monroe]

Ok, so the witch made me roleblock Earle I guess?

Or the consort did it.

[Forum Mafia GM]

... its called too many hosts and I didn't double check the rp close enough before posting it.

[FM Monroe]

:p

We not doing deadlynches?

I want to deadlynch Kalou or Donnelly.

[FM Ferengi]

:p

We not doing deadlynches?

I want to deadlynch Kalou or Donnelly.

You may deadlynch a player (FM _____) to reveal their COM name. Majority of votes cast will be enough to deadlynch.

I'm surprised nobody asked this earlier :p

[FM Buchwalter]

Parker thinks tooo highly of him self. Why would the Mafia kill the Mayor when the Mayor have no idea who the Mafia is? Much rather kill TPRs then a clueless Mayor.

This even make more sense when we think about how badly Parker has been playing up till revealing. He was pushing hard to lynch, he did not know simple game mechanics, he pretty much ran the lynch-train on Biggs, and lastly he calls for all TPRs to protect him. Parker is better alive to the Mafia then anything else, and the fact that he does not see this him self just make me want to bash my head into a wall even more.

[FM Buchwalter]

I wasn't jailed, it was a savage kill :(

They probably thought I was consort. Dumb donnelly lol

Donnelly is Savage?


I also got witched on my final night, so my last will is going to be off on my last target.

Interesting, I like that Parker think that the Witch saved him. XD
Parker is just so freaking full of him self.

-vote FM Parker

I wanna know his COM so I can slap him hard after this game.

[FM Bishop]

Revised opinion: I think that Ryan is the Witch and Kalou is the Savage GF.

[FM Bishop]

Hey Monroe, why did you think I wifom claimed Spree Killer? I saw no difference between the Spree Killer claim and the others. And I didn't intend to implement any difference. That post was my taunt to the Mafia.

[FM Bishop]

You were right about me visiting Mason though. I think that Mason is the third role blocker. He blocked Galletta night 1.

[FM Buchwalter]

You were right about me visiting Mason though. I think that Mason is the third role blocker. He blocked Galletta night 1.

OoO:

10. Escort / Consort blocks
11. Kidnapping
12. Bus Driving
13. Lookout moves to target / Detective follows target (can see 7-12)
14. Framing (can affect 13)
15. Investigations (consigliere, investigator, sheriff)


Monroe was bussed night 1, Bus Driver is before Detective.
So in reality you tracked Monroe that night, so Monroe did you not block Galletta night 1?

Or did you target Monroe?

[FM Bishop]

I tracked Mason. My original result was that Mason visited Galletta. A few hours later my night result PM got deleted and replaced with a new one. Now Mason visited Hopgood.
I was switched by Dunn onto Monroe who blocked Hopgood. The mix up was likely because the switch was forgotten as Mason did also roleblock somebody (Galletta).

[FM Buchwalter]

I tracked Mason. My original result was that Mason visited Galletta. A few hours later my night result PM got deleted and replaced with a new one. Now Mason visited Hopgood.
I was switched by Dunn onto Monroe who blocked Hopgood. The mix up was likely because the switch was forgotten as Mason did also roleblock somebody (Galletta).

Ah. I'm sure the hosts like us for killing you then, that way you can not use the information you should not have gotten. ^^

[FM Bishop]

I could have used it. You forgot about the interview.

[FM Buchwalter]

#
Player
Night 1
Night 2
Night 3
Night 4
Night 5
Night 6


1
FM Ackerman


bussed by #22
(redirected BMed)
bussed
(redirected attacked)




2
FM Ballard


bussed

attacked



3
FM Becket


bussed
attacked by redirect





4
FM Bekowsky

blocked


attacked



5
FM Biggs
witched
witched






6
FM Bishop
BMed
interviewed by #16
attacked






7
FM Black


blocked by #31





8
FM Buchwalter

blocked by #31
given Soma by #33





9
FM Cafarelli
feedback prevention

feedback prevention

feedback prevention
blocked by #31
feedback prevention


10
FM Carruthers








11
FM Chapman

blocked by #34






12
FM Cohen








13
FM Colmyer
blocked by #34
drugged (BMed)
bussed by #22
BMed by redirect





14
FM Donnelly



blocked




15
FM Dunn

bussed

interviewed by #16




16
FM Earle



druged (Soma) by #8




17
FM Fontaine




bussed
interviewed by #16



18
FM Gage
attacked







19
FM Galletta
blocked

interviewed by #3

blocked by #34



20
FM Galloway

bussed by #22






21
FM Green








22
FM Hogeboom
bussed by #22


blocked by 34
bussed by #22
attacked


23
FM Hopgood
blocked by #31







24
FM Kalou


bussed
(redirected attacked)





25
FM Kelso


blocked by #34





26
FM Leary








27
FM Lichtmann

bussed






28
FM Mason
bussed







29
FM McKelty
BS item







30
FM Mendez
bussed by #22







31
FM Monroe
bussed
bussed by #22
BMed by redirect



witched
attacked


32
FM Morgan

BMed
witched
bussed
attacked by redirect




33
FM Parker




bussed



34
FM Phelps



blocked by #31
blocked



35
FM Rose

interviewed by #3
interviewed by #16

bussed by #22
(redirected BMed)



36
FM Ryan



bussed




These are all the actions I have notes about.


Uncolored = Actions claimed doing the day.
Yellow = Learned from interview, [D4 #560] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324546&viewfull=1#post324546).
Pink = Actions that are unknown to the majority.

[FM Buchwalter]

I could have used it. You forgot about the interview.

But you are a good sport and did not do it, I do think i know why you got the wrong information at first thought, may have been from what I PMed Switzerland about day 1.

[FM Buchwalter]

22
FM Hogeboom
bussed by #22


blocked by 34
bussed by #22
attacked


35
FM Rose

interviewed by #3
interviewed by #16

bussed by #22
(redirected BMed)



These are all the actions I have notes about.


Uncolored = Actions claimed doing the day.
Yellow = Learned from interview, [D4 #560] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324546&viewfull=1#post324546).
Pink = Actions that are unknown to the majority.


Wait Hogeboom got the blackmail? Damn, why did they kill him then? Then again that may have been the reason they killed him.
That mean someone new is blackmailed today, wonderful.

[FM Bishop]

Bus Driver is one of the most important Town roles. And Dunn/Phelps will prolly get lynched sooner than later. It's not like the Mafia has all the time in the world to kill him before he has the chance to screw them.

[FM Buchwalter]

I still do not understand why Hopgood as the Jailor would want Colmyer to not reveal that he was jailed, it really blows my mind at how stupid that was.

It could have saved town from some Delta lynches and maybe even give more information to town.

The only reason I can see that he wanna stay hidden is to be a stealthy late game ninja. I can see the awesomeness it suddenly turning the tide there at the end, but waiting had clearly doomed him.
All of town seem to think he is Savage, and he has no way of proving him self because Colmyer is dead.

[FM Buchwalter]

Wait Hogeboom got the blackmail? Damn, why did they kill him then? Then again that may have been the reason they killed him.
That mean someone new is blackmailed today, wonderful.Bus Driver is one of the most important Town roles. And Dunn/Phelps will prolly get lynched sooner than later. It's not like the Mafia has all the time in the world to kill him before he has the chance to screw them.

Yeah him being a Bus Driver does make him an even better target.

Wait come to think of it, it also frames Dunn as Mafia. So two with one stone townies with one kill.

[FM Buchwalter]

So two with one stone townies with one kill.

Fail.

Two townies with one kill.

[FM Monroe]

I think Kalou is the witch.

He has been sheeping along and yesterday he finally started talking. He admitted to voting Earle while he thought Buch was mafia. He wanted to delay a lynch on either of you until day 6. He was singling out Ryan and myself for not voting Buch, while there were several others who also didn't, and he was hard buddying with Parker like only scum would.

I think his intention was to witch me, then push a lynch on me today for not being able to claim my block target.

He may also be savage sheriff, as he was going on about how today there would be much more information to work with.

[FM Monroe]

Also, there were a few nights of missing witching (night 4 and night 5). And Kalou last posted on day 3, then was replaced back into his original account specifically on day 5, meaning he couldn't be allowed control of a citizen account.

[FM Monroe]

If we can only reveal COM names, I want to
-deadlynch FM McKelty

I want to know who that derp was.

[FM Monroe]

As for the savage godfather, I expect it's someone I put on my list of FoS and that's why they wanted me dead.

So Galloway, Mendez, Donnelly.

[FM Bishop]

Monroe, why did you think I wifom claimed SpK

[FM Bishop]

I think they want you dead because they can't handle roleblockers, unlike the Mafia who have a Kidnapper and an unblockable Consort.

[FM Monroe]

Kidnapper doesn't do anything against roleblockers though, their turn is after ours.

Bishop:
When I selected all the text in your "I claim" post in internet explorer, the background behind Spree Killer turned white and the text turned blue. For all the other text colours, it was the other way around.

[FM Buchwalter]

I think his intention was to witch me, then push a lynch on me today for not being able to claim my block target.

Simply getting your block away from the possible Kidnapper may have been all he was thinking.


Also, there were a few nights of missing witching (night 4 and night 5). And Kalou last posted on day 3, then was replaced back into his original account specifically on day 5, meaning he couldn't be allowed control of a citizen account.

I was thinking that Morgan was witched a second time, or maybe a Savage did not claim witched.

Also maybe the wanna-be Investigator was witched while "feedback prevented". Hint hint.


When I selected all the text in your "I claim" post in internet explorer, the background behind Spree Killer turned white and the text turned blue. For all the other text colours, it was the other way around.

I found your problem.

[FM Bishop]

Oh, that's just because of the text color being too light. Any text in that color would have resulted in the same thing.

Consort will always kill (unless he is jailed). So Town can't block the Mafia kill.

[FM Buchwalter]

Consort will always kill (unless he is jailed). So Town can't block the Mafia kill.

You mean block, right?

[FM Bishop]

No, I mean kill.

[FM Buchwalter]

No, I mean kill.

But a Consort can not kill, only the Godfather can kill, and he is not role-block immune.

Have you ever played SC2 Mafia? Cause I'm starting to wonder when you do not know something as simple as this.

[FM Bishop]

I'm gonna return that question at you: Have ever played Forum Mafia? XD
Anyone in the Mafia can kill. Take a look at the Godfather role card.

[FM Buchwalter]

But a Consort can not kill, only the Godfather can kill, and he is not role-block immune.

Have you ever played SC2 Mafia? Cause I'm starting to wonder when you do not know something as simple as this.


Godfather
You are the leader of the Soma Dealers. You are immune to detection by sheriffs, detectives, and lookouts. You may be sent to perform the mafia’s faction kill, or you may choose to send a minion to perform the kill in lieu of their regularly scheduled night action.

You have one auto-vest.

Wait you mean this? We never really thought of that I guess, but at the same time it would mean that one of our members would be unable to use his ability.

[FM Buchwalter]

I'm gonna return that question at you: Have ever played Forum Mafia? XD
Anyone in the Mafia can kill. Take a look at the Godfather role card.

Nope.

[FM Buchwalter]

If the Godfather attempt to send another mafia member to conduct the kill, will it fail if the Godfather is role-blocked?

If a Consort is send to do the mafia's kill, is he still considered role-block immune?

[FM Bishop]

As you can see the Consort can kill AND he is immune to roleblocks. Sexy, isn't it? So only the Witch/Bus Driver can mess with the kill and we can strike off Bus Driver off that list.

[FM Buchwalter]

As you can see the Consort can kill AND he is immune to roleblocks. Sexy, isn't it? So only the Witch/Bus Driver can mess with the kill and we can strike off Bus Driver off that list.

You forgot Doctor, Jailor, Veteran, Bodyguard, and Blacksmith's vest.

Yeah against Escorts i can see the use.

But if town have equal or more Escorts then the mafia have members, you are doing it wrong anyway. Unless there is just one Escort and it always know what player will preform the kill.

[FM Bishop]

Nah, I didn't forget about those. I was only talking about making sure that the kill action is performed. Killing is the strongest night action after culting in the game. So you will want to make sure that you perform it and the target isn't redirected. Plus not everybody would think that a non-GF mafia would perform the kill when the GF is still alive. Ofc you would only make use of this if you think that the GF is a viable roleblock target.

[FM Monroe]

I found your problem.
Why is it a problem if it has more options to relay secret messages than other browsers?

If the entire mafia never thought of sending anyone else to kill, it's full of FM nubs :p

Blackmailer is also ideal to kill with on break-nights if the godfather is under pressure.

Morgan witched a second time makes zero sense unless the witch managed to choose a secondary target that got some kind of feedback twice for both Biggs and Morgan. The likelihood of that happening is phenomenally low.

I doubt the witch would target Cafarelli. The witch would've considered her 66% chance ally until Ballard died.

[FM Monroe]

If Kalou is actually a savage who was sent to kill me, then it's the witch who actually killed me.

Because I was going to block him.

[FM Bishop]

I'm pretty sure you were witched onto Cafarelli. Investigator is one of the few that can expose her. Als long as all investigative Town roles are dead or under control she is fine.

[FM Hogeboom]

I was double roleblocked.

The Blackmail I received was to claim Investigator and frame Cafarelli. I decided to reveal me being BD because of many reasons, having received the BM was one of them. I could do my BM the next day with all knowing that I claimed BD the day before.

But anyway, I agree on deadlynching Parker. Just curious.

-vote FM Parker

[FM Monroe]

There you have your answer. I was sent to Hogeboom, and the mafia consort blocked him too.

I see McKelty got banned from the site. I guess he should never have been allowed to play this FM because he obviously didn't care about the game.

-vote FM Parker

then.

[FM Colmyer]

It was his call, Buchwalter. It was in my best interests to comply with his demands anyway.

He revealed to me using our code the day after I was already dead, but he couldn't have jailed anyone else because of the lynches. Which I'm not sure why he did, actually.

Even if he revealed himself to me and stuff, It wouldn't really have mattered. For all we know he could've been recruited by the savages.

I have written down in my LW that I was jailed anyway, if the Coroner bothers visiting me.

[FM Monroe]

It was his call, Buchwalter. It was in my best interests to comply with his demands anyway.

He revealed to me using our code the day after I was already dead, but he couldn't have jailed anyone else because of the lynches. Which I'm not sure why he did, actually.

Even if he revealed himself to me and stuff, It wouldn't really have mattered. For all we know he could've been recruited by the savages.

I have written down in my LW that I was jailed anyway, if the Coroner bothers visiting me.

Jailor can't be recruited. It's a beta role.

[FM Monroe]

If Carruthers is legit, I have no idea why he keeps checking scum targets.

Their last wills can only serve to harm the town. He should DEFINITELY have checked you after you said you received feedback which you kept hidden.

[FM Colmyer]

Ooh, that's right.

And agreed. You'd think the Coroner would pay attention to people's deaths and they would check what they said before dying to determine if they are worth visiting.
But meh.

[FM Ferengi]

If the Godfather attempt to send another mafia member to conduct the kill, will it fail if the Godfather is role-blocked?

Nope.



If a Consort is send to do the mafia's kill, is he still considered role-block immune?

Yes. :)



As you can see the Consort can kill AND he is immune to roleblocks. Sexy, isn't it? So only the Witch/Bus Driver can mess with the kill and we can strike off Bus Driver off that list.

I'm glad someone realized this! Yes, this is intended. There are a few other intended "hidden" exploits written into the role cards that someone who thoroughly read the setup might be able to exploit.

[FM Ferengi]

But you are a good sport and did not do it, I do think i know why you got the wrong information at first thought, may have been from what I PMed Switzerland about day 1.

What Buchwalter is referencing is the absence of the Monroe/Mason bus claims on Day 1. He PM'ed me mid-day just to make sure that it had been processed correctly. :p

The errors with the Night 1 feedback were:
1. nonstandard feedback PM's being sent out.
2. FM Bishop received a PM stating that FM Mason visited FM Galletta with the name of his target without accounting for bus driving instead of something with the format "Your target visited FM Hopgood" which both accounts for bus driving and hides the name of the target (consistent with feedback templates).

I couldn't say this at the time, but the bus driving feedback PMs actually were sent out on time. It's only FM Bishop's results that were truly messed up. I noticed the problem only a few hours into day, but he had already picked up his feedback PM.

I debated re-sending all the non-standard feedback PMs, but decided against it since I don't have moderator access to delete non-standard PM's from accounts who changed their passwords. I just decided to fix Bishop's feedback PM and hope that nobody realized that the Night 1 feedbacks were otherwise non-standard. Unfortunately, you guys were too observant and started mentioning it in daychat. x_____x

[FM Colmyer]

Yeah. You two were pretty quick to shut me up about it though! x)

Had all three of us that were roleblocked on the first night received the same message?
I was actually wondering if you guys had sent the non standard message to Galletta after you realized the blunder, if he was faking it... x)

[Forum Mafia GM]

I'm glad someone realized this! Yes, this is intended. There are a few other intended "hidden" exploits written into the role cards that someone who thoroughly read the setup might be able to exploit.

But mafia are too busy playing the blame game to think of such things.

[FM Ferengi]

Yeah. You two were pretty quick to shut me up about it though! x)

Had all three of us that were roleblocked on the first night received the same message?
I was actually wondering if you guys had sent the non standard message to Galletta after you realized the blunder, if he was faking it... x)

Hmm, I'm actually not sure. I do remember seeing the PM's about "sexytimes" in peoples' inboxes and freaking out for a good hour while trying to log into each individual account and figure out how to fix the feedback. If I remember correctly, I believe the non-standard feedback PM's were the same within each category of feedback (bus drives, blocks, etc).

[FM Colmyer]

At least it didn't really fuck up anything.
By the way, who are our current hosts? There's been changes, no?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Clem and Rocshi are still hosts.

Backup host = Cohen

[FM Monroe]

How do you feel about me not being mafia, yapyap? :D

[FM Hogeboom]

I want some COMs :(
I'm sure about two of my guesses, one I'm positive is wrong because he WIFOMd a COM and the last one I'm not sure either, could be anyone.

[Forum Mafia GM]

How do you feel about me not being mafia, yapyap? :D

With the pressure on me, I had to turn over some information before I was ready... + being neutral, I could afford some mistakes. But you were being scummy imo... and I did think that you did slip with the correction of my post, it was only when I saw Biggs say he was witched that I thought for sure.
So, I have to say I have no regrets.

[FM Cohen]

How do I feel about thinking parker was scum? I wanted to give him scum mvp... but clem wont let me. No regrets there.

[FM Monroe]

There was a lot of confusion because almost everyone was being scummy to some degree. By night 3 I had a scum list that was comprised of like half the player base.

At least my first scum read was accurate (Buch), but my block had no visible effect with both Morgan and Colmyer claiming blackmailed for that night.

@Hogeboom: Ryan is Fragos.

[FM Monroe]

Ah double-you-tee-ef, Parker.. use common sense! Ackerman can't be mafia because the mafia tried to blackmail him. Hogeboom's town flip is ultimate proof of that.

[FM Cohen]

Mason, I think SOMEONE would have claimed jailor by now if there was one. What the hell are you doing? You and Ryan seem to be on this I'm going to act stupid kick.

ARGHH!!!! ILLOGICAL!!! This guy is driving me nuts.

[FM Buchwalter]

ARGHH!!!! ILLOGICAL!!! This guy is driving me nuts.

I'm a little behind on day chat, as I'm heading to bed right now. But yes, Parker is driving me nuts. This is kinda why he did not kill him, but I'm starting to regret this as I want him to shut up.

And why does everyone think that Savages can recruit Alphas and Betas? Does no one read the freaking setup? Are people gonna think that the Mafia has been recruited to the Savages soon?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Does no one read the freaking setup?

Please ask that in green... maybe someone will answer.

[FM Buchwalter]

This is kinda why we did not kill him, but I'm starting to regret this as I want him to shut up.

Freaking typos!

Anyway good night all! Hope to see you all talk more here now that we have some red in here.

[FM Buchwalter]

Please ask that in green... maybe someone will answer.

Does no one read the freaking setup?

There you go.

Now good night to you good sir!

[FM Monroe]

All I will do now is follow Parker until I die. Or the Game Ends.
SCUMMMMMM!

[FM Colmyer]

I still feel bad about fucking up with the blackmail.
Misunderstanding the rolecard... I'm an idiot. Should've asked more questions.

At least it didn't turn bad for the town and gave them another day without any blackmails. Ffff.

[FM Monroe]

If it makes you feel better, I didn't expect it wasn't allowed to claim past blackmails either.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Does no one read the freaking setup?

According to the "Members who have read this thread", everyone has at least viewed the setup... No guaranties on them reading it or understanding it. I know I studied it but thats just me ... not to mention I have to search high and low for any previous rulings from the original hosts on questions that keep coming back up.

[FM Bishop]

I'd say I studied it, too. A thorough understanding of the setup is essential to make the most of the game imo. You can even find things to abuse in the setups from time to time. :)

[FM Bishop]

bwah, it's really late. g2g to bed. Cya tomorrow,

[FM Colmyer]

Uh oh.
Hopgood just shot himself in the foot there.
If Town has half a brain, they'll go back to my posts and find the post where I said I was ''Holding extra information that I won't reveal''.

I think that's the only hint I gave that could get him out of that.

[FM Buchwalter]

Uh oh.
Hopgood just shot himself in the foot there.
If Town has half a brain, they'll go back to my posts and find the post where I said I was ''Holding extra information that I won't reveal''.

I think that's the only hint I gave that could get him out of that.

I can see the appeal about being an unknown Jailor, but with lynch-happy Parker? Hopgood is gonna die by town hands, I can feel it.

[FM Monroe]

because it would mean that the savage gf doesnt really make the final call. its a group thing.

sorta like the gf isnt sent in sc2 mafia when the mafioso is jailed.

W/E I think it was a worthy question.
Is he mafia Buchwalter?

[FM Monroe]

That was Kalou by the way.

[FM Bishop]

Colmyer, did you really claim your blackmail in jail on night 3? Because I'm positive that this is a violation of the not being able to claim blackmailed. I asked that, too, and would have used the interview to claim my blackmail and the message.

[FM Bishop]

Don't bother with my question. The blackmail as already lifted at that point. I guess I just should have kept reading. ^^

[FM Buchwalter]

Colmyer, did you really claim your blackmail in jail on night 3? Because I'm positive that this is a violation of the not being able to claim blackmailed. I asked that, too, and would have used the interview to claim my blackmail and the message.

I would think that you are only not allowed to do it during the day, but I could be wrong.

I mean if the Blackmailer don't know you are saying that you blackmailed (aka during the night in a night chat) but can he "punish" you?

[FM Buchwalter]

Is he mafia Buchwalter?


That was Kalou by the way.

What do you thing?

I'm still behind on day chat, but yeah it seem like a lot of the town is giving ideas to the Mafia.
This was happening before I died too, people asking a lot of questions about how blackmailing worked and I even learned a thing or two from that.

Was it not Parker that just mentioned the whole "can GF make other mafia members conduct the attack?".

[FM Bishop]

Was it not Parker that just mentioned the whole "can GF make other mafia members conduct the attack?".
That's really common knowledge among FM players. He didn't really give anything away there. And there is at least one FM veteran among the Mafia so that point should be covered.

[FM Monroe]

What do you thing?
I think it means something if the kidnapper clears Ackerman and Kalou, and Ackerman is also cleared by the bus driver. Seems like Kalou might be the one Dunn was trying to protect.


I'm still behind on day chat, but yeah it seem like a lot of the town is giving ideas to the Mafia.
This was happening before I died too, people asking a lot of questions about how blackmailing worked and I even learned a thing or two from that.
Town has to assume the mafia asks these things in their night chat. At least if it's asked during the day, the town is also aware and won't have to act on false assumptions.


Was it not Parker that just mentioned the whole "can GF make other mafia members conduct the attack?".
This is more or less standard knowledge in FM though. It's a miracle none of you knew that.

[FM Buchwalter]

That's really common knowledge among FM players. He didn't really give anything away there. And there is at least one FM veteran among the Mafia so that point should be covered.

Then I guess all the Mafia members are newbies.


This is more or less standard knowledge in FM though. It's a miracle none of you knew that.

Do not tempt fate.
I will just quote what Cohen told us happened night 6:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20545-Top-10-Most-Memorable-Moments-from-FM18?p=328529#post328529
bashing-head-into-wall-bad moment:

Mafia chat night 6 being a circlejerk quality flame war.

oh and the mafia were 1 minute away from having their night actions be:

GF - kill (someone)
?? - Nothing
?? - Nothing
?? - Nothing
?? - Nothing
Buchwalter - Roll in his grave.

Luckily, the gf posted actions for everyone right before the deadline.

[FM Monroe]

Lurklurklurk?

[FM Monroe]

Well alright, Leary was also on my scum suspects list. But is this really the time to make hunch-based lynches?

Seems a little bit weird to me.

If this was done to see who is voting what, it's kind of clever though.

[FM Morgan]

I'm to lazy to read up on this so tell me what you guys have figured out so far.

[FM Monroe]

Not much news, really.

Just that Ackerman isn't mafia unless Parker's far-fetched student hypothesis is true. And even then his push to lynch Dunn instead of Buch made no sense.

Hopgood is jailor.

Kalou is some form of scum.

Ryan might be a mason (because there's hardly any PR's left at this point) or mafia.

[FM Monroe]

Also Mason is consort/escort. Probably escort because he wanted to lynch Phelps pretty badly at the start of the day.

[FM Colmyer]

Oh, not bad. Cafarelli finally picked up on it and found my post.
Hopefully they leave Hopgood alone for today, even though he'll probably die tonight. :v

[Dunn]

Ω xdv mbnrxdbhjknkcgjvbhklnm;l

How the hell did... Ω ... appear from my random finger role accross the keyboard. lol

[Dunn]

-Deadlynch FM Dunn like a boss

[Dunn]

Can we just reveal our own COMs?

[FM Colmyer]

So were you guys planning an alliance with the Town (Somewhat.) to get rid of the Savages or something?

[Forum Mafia GM]

I see 3 votes for parker.

[Forum Mafia GM]

FM Parkers COM name is Titus.

[Alphege]

FM Parkers COM name is Titus.

Called it.
Clementinion can confirm.

[FM Colmyer]

FM Alphege? Who the heck are you? ಠ_ಠ

[Dunn]

FM Alphege? Who the heck are you? ಠ_ಠ

Me. lol. Wrong account and stuff.

[Dunn]

Multiple Browsers gets confusing.
CAN WE CONFIRM OUR OWN COMS!

[FM Colmyer]

Also, my COM is really obvious and I made no attempt to hide it. I'm sure most of you have it figured out already.

[Forum Mafia GM]

I can modkill you... but you already dead.

[Dunn]

I can modkill you... but you already dead.

I mean is it in the spirit or are we asked to continue hiding them?

[FM Colmyer]

Although threatening to mod kill you has less of an impact on dead players, please refrain from mentioning your COM until the end of the game.

Nope.

[Alphege]

Nope.

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Well anyways.
Chrome
Mozilla
IE (yes, kill me)
iPad
Phone

Multiple accounts EZ.

[Dunn]

rtbhjklnm;o',p
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Well anyways.
Chrome
Mozilla
IE (yes, kill me)
iPad
Phone

Multiple accounts EZ.

You use IE for anything? Kill yourself.

[Alphege]

You use IE for anything? Kill yourself.

Well atleast I didn't get lynched. Faggot

[Dunn]

Well atleast I didn't get lynched. Faggot

Hey, you weren't even in game.

[Forum Mafia GM]

:evil:

Don't you start that here mister. Or I'll have you cremated.

[Alphege]

He started it!

[Dunn]

He started it!

[FM Buchwalter]

Multiple Browsers gets confusing.
CAN WE CONFIRM OUR OWN COMS!



Are we allowed to say our COM in death chat?Although threatening to mod kill you has less of an impact on dead players, please refrain from mentioning your COM until the end of the game.

I asked that on page 3.

[FM Buchwalter]

So Dunn, If you are on both account at the same time, how did you manage to screw up the interview?

And just what did I miss night 6? you nearly did not get any night actions out?

[FM Buchwalter]

Also, my COM is really obvious and I made no attempt to hide it. I'm sure most of you have it figured out already.

Reading people is far from my strong side, so I have not even tried to figure people out.
I also do not know everyone that well, so it is not like i know over half the people in this FM anyway.

But if anyone have figured out my COM, you deserve a huge cookie.

[FM Buchwalter]

FM Parkers COM name is Titus.

Whos da?

Can I double deadlynch Titus and get more information on him? Like his IQ? If he has an IQ.

[Dunn]

So Dunn, If you are on both account at the same time, how did you manage to screw up the interview?

And just what did I miss night 6? you nearly did not get any night actions out?

How did I do that? I paniced, since the hammer was like 3 hours before day was supposed to end, and I just threw something together to send to Clem. And my claim to being busy was real. I didn't have the time early game I would have liked.

Night actions? They were fine, we were just hating eachother while figuring them out lol.


Whos da?

Can I double deadlynch Titus and get more information on him? Like his IQ? If he has an IQ.

She.
Lives in Sacramento.
Last name is actually Titus.
Married.
Lawyer.

Google .... as I said I knew who she is, I'll wait for Clementine to confirm that I pegged her COM before it was revealt :D. Titus is a newer player, but shows signs of not being as awful as some others.
If only if only Titus.

[FM Ferengi]

How did I do that? I paniced, since the hammer was like 3 hours before day was supposed to end, and I just threw something together to send to Clem. And my claim to being busy was real. I didn't have the time early game I would have liked.

Night actions? They were fine, we were just hating eachother while figuring them out lol.



She.
Lives in Sacramento.
Last name is actually Titus.
Married.
Lawyer.

Google .... as I said I knew who she is, I'll wait for Clementine to confirm that I pegged her COM before it was revealt :D. Titus is a newer player, but shows signs of not being as awful as some others.
If only if only Titus.

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation. Any confirmation or denials on my part will have to wait for the epilogue. :)

[Dunn]

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation. Any confirmation or denials on my part will have to wait for the epilogue. :)

Why? Stop being drunk and confirm, damnit.

[Dunn]

Skype chat with the lovely host.

[5/30/13 12:18:38 AM] Clementine: if u escape lynch
[5/30/13 12:18:41 AM] Clementine: i'm extremely impressed
[5/30/13 12:18:46 AM] Clementine: lol
[5/30/13 12:18:46 AM] Clementine: and it looks like you're escaping
[5/30/13 12:21:44 AM] [REDACTED FOR COM]: yea lol
[5/30/13 12:21:52 AM] Clementine: how
[5/30/13 12:21:53 AM] Clementine: i dont even
[5/30/13 12:21:53 AM] Clementine: wut
[5/30/13 12:22:04 AM] Clementine: i'm away for ~2 hours
[5/30/13 12:22:06 AM] Clementine: and u turn it completely around
[5/30/13 12:24:07 AM] Clementine: yeah kinda
[5/30/13 12:24:15 AM] Clementine: :P
[5/30/13 12:24:20 AM] Clementine: wonder what mafia says
[5/30/13 12:24:29 AM] Clementine: in nightchat
[5/30/13 12:25:48 AM] [REDACTED FOR COM]: lol
[5/30/13 12:25:59 AM] [REDACTED FOR COM]: [REDACTED FOR IMPACT ON DEAD CHATS SPECULATION FUN!]
[5/30/13 12:26:00 AM] [REDACTED FOR COM]: lol
[5/30/13 12:29:58 AM] [REDACTED FOR COM]: btw
[5/30/13 12:30:04 AM] [REDACTED FOR COM]: i determined parkers com
[5/30/13 12:30:06 AM] [REDACTED FOR COM]: definitely Titus

[FM Cohen]

Lawyer.


Must be a defense attorney.. defending mafia.

[FM Morgan]

Honestly, I'm not surprised at Parker's COM. Anyway... For dead lynch...
I want to know who this guy was...
Dead Lynch: FM McKelty

Can anyone guess mine?

[FM Hogeboom]

Honestly, I'm not surprised at Parker's COM. Anyway... For dead lynch...
I want to know who this guy was...
Dead Lynch: FM McKelty

Can anyone guess mine?
Hah, I only knew who you tried to fake, but after Day 1 it was really obvious that you weren't who you faked you were. And also I had my doubts already because sometimes you had even TWO sentences in one line, really unlike that guy.

[FM Morgan]

Hah, I only knew who you tried to fake, but after Day 1 it was really obvious that you weren't who you faked you were. And also I had my doubts already because sometimes you had even TWO sentences in one line, really unlike that guy.

Actually I wasn't trying to fake anything, but apparently I came that way...

I was trying to become a town leader to lynch scum and get MVP.

My interests were purely for my own well being, I was like, "fuck you town". Then I got recruited by the Savages and I'm thinking, "Oh hey, town leader as scum, can't be that hard, I can figure out the scum and say they're my FOS and get the town to sheep me easily.

It might have worked out if it weren't for that meddling Mafia and that stupid bud drive.

[FM Morgan]

Before you think I was not playing to my win conditions. Let me explain.

Lynch scum, get reward.

Town win condition: See all scum dead.

Then I got recruited:

Savage win condition: Kill town and Mafia.

Kill Mafia, lead town into the ground, win and reward.

[FM Monroe]

You lost your influence over the day chat after that blackmail, in my opinion.

Some people said I was "downplaying your significance," but I really think others took over by that time.

As for your COM, I haven't the faintest idea.

I bet my COM is easy enough to guess though :p

[FM Monroe]

Maybe Slaol? Creed? Meh idk.

[FM Bishop]

I never was good in the COM guessing game. But I never really tried to find ppl anyway.

[FM Hogeboom]

You lost your influence over the day chat after that blackmail, in my opinion.

Some people said I was "downplaying your significance," but I really think others took over by that time.

As for your COM, I haven't the faintest idea.

I bet my COM is easy enough to guess though :p

I haven't the slightest idea.

Am I easy to guess? I know of one person who could know, but even about that I'm not sure.

[FM Monroe]

I haven't the slightest idea.

Am I easy to guess? I know of one person who could know, but even about that I'm not sure.
Nope, I don't know who you are either heh.

I used to guess most everyone. It's become a lot harder since there's so many new players around.

[Dunn]

FM Dunn finds it a struggle to not COM claim. These rules are dumb.

[Dunn]

I would like to lynch Mendez, since I have no read on him/her whatsoever. I am quite sure I have found some other people, but yea.

-#gimmedatdeadlynchonmendez.com(claim)

[FM Monroe]

-deadlynch Donnelly

[FM Ferengi]

Not seeing a consensus emerging for the night 7 deadlynch. 1v1v1 tie when day gets posted means no com will be revealed!

[FM Monroe]

Was thinking of voting mckelty before, but not as interesting since he got perma banned.

[FM Hogeboom]

-deadlynch FM Mendez

[FM Black]

This sux

[FM Black]

Can anyone guess my role before the Day starts?

[FM Ferengi]

Deadlynch Tally:
FM McKelty (1): FM Morgan
FM Mendez (2): FM Dunn, FM Hogeboom
FM Donnelly (1): FM Monroe

FM Mendez has been deadlynched.
FM Mendez's COM is Burnt Eskimo

[FM Bishop]

Who did you club all those nights, Mr. Beautiful?

[FM Black]

Who did you club all those nights, Mr. Beautiful?

No one wanted to guess anything ;.;

Things are more fun while they are a mystery. Plus me telling would make it easier for you to find the Savage GF :p

[FM Bishop]

Things are more fun while they are a mystery. Plus me telling would make it easier for you to find the Savage GF :p
Not really actually. Unless you double clubbed all your targets.

[FM Black]

Not really actually. Unless you double clubbed all your targets.


My actions:
N1 club Mason
N2 club Rose
N3 club Becket (roleblocked, thankfully I didn't use my soma this night)
N4 club Buchwalter + Monroe
N5 club Caff(Figuared savage would attempt to get you on their side by now) + Fontaine
N6 club Phelps
N7 club Leary + Hopgood(roleblocked + died before I got to these two)

Had 8 targets

[FM Cafarelli]

Yeah, sadly my scapegoat was a confirm-able role. Had I done the math better when I got the Soma, I would have passed the Soma to our Blackmailer, that way I would not have been found out.

disagreeing. he was not confirmable. dunn was clear, fontaine could be guessed (or was a mate), anyone could say bishop.
tbh it wasn't easy for most town to believe him (but i thought it was true). but also if he was a citizen it probably wouldn't help your case, the main reason for lynching you instead of him was (for me)
a) the missing drug on me n4
b) the mafia wouldn't kill 2 without a plan



I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation. Any confirmation or denials on my part will have to wait for the epilogue. :)

what? do really all ppl tell you all they know and explain what they're doing? cause i didn't really bother. apart from why concealing the drug n1 (obvious reason anyway)

[FM Ferengi]

what? do really all ppl tell you all they know and explain what they're doing? cause i didn't really bother. apart from why concealing the drug n1 (obvious reason anyway)


8- Communication with the FM Game Master:
I enjoy conversations with others, getting to know what is going through their heads when they make certain decisions. If you make the wrong choice for all the right reasons, it will not penalize you for LVP for example. Our conversations will remain private.

During the game, some of the players would PM me about things, and I think some people PM'ed FM Game Master. It's fun to know what people are thinking :D

For example, I wonder about FM Parker leading a train yesterday on FM Dunn and FM Leary. She didn't PM me about her strategy, but if she had told me that she was going to lead two competing trains just to see who would jump at the chance to spare Dunn specifically to find mafia, that would be a lot more impressive (with better reasoning) than just simply an "I'm not sure if I should gamble on trusting scum" move. Little things like this are fun to know as a host so instead of facepalming at people you can secretly smile as you watch their plans unfold. :)

[FM Cafarelli]

hm but you can also just do that in deadchat or epilogue

[FM Monroe]

hm but you can also just do that in deadchat or epilogue
But in dead chat it isn't always honest.

People tend to brag and pretend they knew things they didn't when they have more information.

[FM Ferengi]

But in dead chat it isn't always honest.

People tend to brag and pretend they knew things they didn't when they have more information.

I find that I look "smarter" when I don't communicate with the host lol. Sometimes I do the right things for completely the wrong reasons >__<

Lol.

[FM Hogeboom]

I find that I look "smarter" when I don't communicate with the host lol. Sometimes I do the right things for completely the wrong reasons >__<

Lol.
I can kind of relate, but not in this game. I did nothing really of worth. I also didn't take notes as opposed to last FM because of certain conditions. You would probably know, considering you know my COM. :D

[FM Monroe]

-deadlynch Donnelly

Again.

[FM Buchwalter]

disagreeing. he was not confirmable. dunn was clear, fontaine could be guessed (or was a mate), anyone could say bishop.
tbh it wasn't easy for most town to believe him (but i thought it was true). but also if he was a citizen it probably wouldn't help your case, the main reason for lynching you instead of him was (for me)
a) the missing drug on me n4
b) the mafia wouldn't kill 2 without a plan

The reason you were not drugged that on night 4, it was because we thought that the chance of you checking one of us was slim, and since you appeared to have gotten feedback on Cohen we were unsure if you even were Investigator.

[FM Hogeboom]

Okay, I will sheep Monroe.

-deadlynch Donelly

[FM Buchwalter]

I had hoped that me trying to move the lynch train from me and onto Dunn would have cleared Dunn as town. But then my teammates went of and killed Dunn's CC, I still do not know why they did this.

[FM Hogeboom]

I had hoped that me trying to move the lynch train from me and onto Dunn would have cleared Dunn as town. But then my teammates went of and killed Dunn's CC, I still do not know why they did this.

Maybe they wanted to blackmail again? Not sure if that is actually a good enough reason to kill off a CC, but still.

[FM Monroe]

Burnt Eskimo actually did pretty well again this game. Looks like he's a keeper for FMs and not just a troll.

[FM Colmyer]

Why do I get the feeling that Town is pretty much screwed right now?

I just have a bad feeling about it; Feels like it'll be played between the Savages and the Mafia.

[FM Hogeboom]

Why do I get the feeling that Town is pretty much screwed right now?

I just have a bad feeling about it; Feels like it'll be played between the Savages and the Mafia.
I had the same since Day 5 somehow. Seems like scum will finally win again.

[FM Hogeboom]

I had the same since Day 5 somehow. Seems like scum will finally win again.

same feeling* lolz

[FM Monroe]

Why do I get the feeling that Town is pretty much screwed right now?

I just have a bad feeling about it; Feels like it'll be played between the Savages and the Mafia.
Mafia will win. Cult will bite the dust when their leader dies, just like in FM 12.

[FM Cafarelli]

The reason you were not drugged that on night 4, it was because we thought that the chance of you checking one of us was slim, and since you appeared to have gotten feedback on Cohen we were unsure if you even were Investigator.

how does me getting feedback tell you i'm not an invest?
i thought about playing the exe after that. but i though you'd know i'm invest because there was no other way to know that i was drugged n1


I had hoped that me trying to move the lynch train from me and onto Dunn would have cleared Dunn as town. But then my teammates went of and killed Dunn's CC, I still do not know why they did this.

it was a legit action imo. dunn was dead anyway (i trusted hogeboom much more). busdriver is a strong role
and it took no genius to figure you tried to get him some credibility when you were dead anyway^^

[FM Hogeboom]

Changing my vote from Donelly to Cafarelli. I want to know if it's ika or Apache..

-deadlynch FM Cafarelli

[FM Buchwalter]

Maybe they wanted to blackmail again? Not sure if that is actually a good enough reason to kill off a CC, but still.

Yeah now that you remind me, I think i wrote this a few pages back as well. ^^;


it was a legit action imo. dunn was dead anyway (i trusted hogeboom much more). busdriver is a strong role
and it took no genius to figure you tried to get him some credibility when you were dead anyway^^

Also prove that my team did not wanna bet on Dunn's ability to lie.

[FM Cafarelli]

Changing my vote from Donelly to Cafarelli. I want to know if it's ika or Apache..

-deadlynch FM Cafarelli

oh come on don't deadlynch me...
isn't ika from america?

[FM Monroe]

Phelps is so full of lies now and he's only deceiving the town with them.

Hogeboom would've been killed if he was blocked by the consort? No he wouldn't. Already explained.

Black was never blocked? Yes he was.

If he's escort, he deserves to get lynched.

Also, why does everyone think Donnelly and Kalou's plays are town? The first has constantly tried to mess with the masons, excused the savages for recruiting a delta as savage earlier and jumped what looked like easy mislynches multiple time. And Kalou started off lurking and then started sucking up to confirmed town, which is fits the classic scum profile of daytime behaviour.

[FM Hogeboom]

oh come on don't deadlynch me...
isn't ika from america?

Possible, but what tells me that you aren't? :P

[FM Black]

Black was never blocked? Yes he was.

Twice

[FM Cohen]

I'm finally caught up on fm after my weekend away.

[FM Phelps]

Hey losers. I am here.

[FM Ferengi]

Message from the Mayor:



Well, I'm down to one confirmed scum and taking stabs. I might even be getting that bastard killed by the savages or the mafia. Yet, if Mason isn't killed, I'll be assured he is scum. I don't believe the mafia lied to me about Mason's pairing, hence why they blackmailed him. They didn't want the enforcer to be able to communicate with me.

That is why I tried really hard TO communicate with Mason. I want everyone to think Mason is the Mason Enforcer. Yet, I'm pretty sure he's a savage or long shot mafia.

I also gambitted not liking Galloway. It worked for keeping Cafarelli alive for awhile, maybe it'll work for Galloway.

I also lied about passing the soma, making people think there was an enforcer. I may correct this tomorrow. Yet, it's turned everyone's attention towards the Deltas. I want delta claimers to drop by mafia. That's where the savages are hiding.

The mafia are likely hiding in the unclaimed portions.

Let's see if I live through the night again...

[FM Ferengi]

A consensus could not be reached! Nobody was deadlynched!
FM Donnelly (1): FM Monroe
FM Caffarelli (1): FM Hogeboom

[FM Cafarelli]

wait you forgot my vote. but i voted galloway anyway so it doesn't matter