Somebody has to start the dead chat conversation anyway.

[FM Bishop]

I am the *dramatic drumming for tension* Investigator! Let's see if they figure it out before the Journalist says something.

[FM Ferengi]

I am the *dramatic drumming for tension* Investigator! Let's see if they figure it out before the Journalist says something.

A shame you died so early.

[FM Bishop]

As of now, I think we have two Blackmailer and two Drug Dealer in the Mafia.

I was blackmailed night 1 and didn't complete my task. It seems very likely that Colmyer and Morgan received a, and the same, blackmail message. This forces a second Blackmailer in the mafia team. This also forces a Drug Dealer in the Mafia team, as one of Colmyer and Morgan was drugged.

I'm pretty sure that the roleblocks are legit. Admittedly Monroe's post that was pointed out Cohen suggest the possibility of Galletta lying about it, I have reasons to believe differently.

Cafarelli play makes sense if he isn't lying or if he tries to get lynched/killed. I'm assuming the former, thus he was drugged night 1. The same thing is this true for Cohen. As such I think there is an additional Drug Dealer in the Mafia's team.

Lastly we have the bus driven claims. I can image that there is only one Bus Driver in the game, with the Mafia lying about receiving bus driven feedbacks. With 2 Drug Dealers they can easily fake a Bus Driver if they wish to do so. I was pretty sure about this when Monroe claimed bus driven. But with Dunn claiming bussed, too, I'm not so sure about it anymore. It's still a possibility but it seems quite risky to me to expose 2 Mafia members, UNLESS they used one Drug Dealer to fake a bus driven feedback.

Recap of what I think happened night 1 and 2:
Night 1:
Blackmailer 1: blackmailed Bishop.
Blackmailer 2: roleblocked.
Drug Dealer 1: drugged Cafarelli with no-feedback drug.
Drug Dealer 2: drugged Cohen with poisoned drug.
Bus Driver: switches Hogeboom and Mendez.
3 Roleblockers blocked Galetta/Colmyer/Hopgood (max 1 Consort, might be none)

Day 1:
Mason lies about being bus driven.
All other feedback claims legit.

Night 2:
Blackmailer 1: can't do shit - Bishop didn't complete his blackmail task.
Blackmailer 2: blackmailed Morgan ("Do not contribute to the day chat in any way by only quoting from Sarah Kane's play 'Cleansed'")
Drug Dealer 1: drugged Colmyer with Morgan's blackmail message.
Drug Dealer 2: drugged Dunn/Galloway/Lichtmann with bus driven drug.
Bus Driver: switched the remaining two.
3 Roleblockers blocked Buchwalter/Bekowsky/Chapman.

Day 2:
Monroe lies about being bus driven.

People whom I believe to be Mafia:
Galletta (Blackmailer): pretty much disappeared in the day 2 chat.
Monroe (Blackmailer/Drug Dealer): lied about being bus driven; dug his own grave on day 2 all by himself
Mason (Consort): lied about being bus driven
??? (Godfather)
??? (Drug Dealer/Blackmailer)
??? (Drug Dealer)

It feels good to have talked about it.

[FM Bishop]

Oh, day chat rage is fun to read. I like how Cafarelli thinks that the Consort and the Kidnapper have to be confirmed roles.

Btw, would the interview have been enough to fulfill my blackmail?

[FM Ferengi]

Btw, would the interview have been enough to fulfill my blackmail?

Nope. Blackmail must be fulfilled in daychat. While your interview technically was posted in daychat, nobody knew it was coming from you.

[FM Bishop]

Nope. Blackmail must be fulfilled in daychat. While your interview technically was posted in daychat, nobody knew it was coming from you.

I disagree, the Journalist knew.

But why is the dead chat actually a private forum? I'd like to see some discussion about the day chat.

[FM Ferengi]

I disagree, the Journalist knew.

But why is the dead chat actually a private forum? I'd like to see some discussion about the day chat.

I just realized: The guy who died N1 is eligible to replace back into the game and has been removed from seeing this chat (it was a permissions error initially), and the other guy who was lynched has since been permabanned from the site (and cannot log in even on FM anon accounts). So it really is just you for now, or at least until more people die.

This should hopefully get more active after the upcoming night cycle (since I'm not sure if there will be a lynch today).

[FM Bishop]

Hello Becket!
I'm guessing you were bussed into your death.
Let's see what other feedback is coming in tonight. Two Drug Dealers faking the existence of a Kidnapper is still possible. But if I see that these were used elsewhere then I guess I'll have to throw out that possibility out of the window. I think that no Mafia claimed to have been driven tonight. They wouldn't want to do that every day.

[FM Bishop]

It is quite possible that Cafarelli was double drugged: clean all feedbacks, add a fake pairing.
But that would mean that the Mafia has a Kidnapper as I don't think they would claim bus driven feedbacks 3 out of 3 nights. Which in turn means that Mason and Monroe really were bus driven. Which also means that there is no Consort (no space - Consort swapped for Kidnapper) and that I followed an Escort on night one.
3 claims day 1: One of the Mafia was switched by the kidnapper and did not claim or Gage was switch killed.
4 claims day 2: Kidnapper only switched two townies while the Bus Driver hit a mafia? Dunn/Lichtmann/Galloway; I suspect Dunn and Galloway the most out of those 3.

Cohen seems to be trying to get the Mafia to kill him in case he doesn't get lynched. Or the above scenario isn't correct (double drugged) and he is actually scum/Cafarelli is neutral.
Cohan being Blacksmith is also a possibility seeing that there is a witch in play, but I don't think that's the case.

[FM Bishop]

I think this forum is still set to private. There are 4 threads with 12 posts listed, but I can only see my own thread.

[FM Ferengi]

I think this forum is still set to private. There are 4 threads with 12 posts listed, but I can only see my own thread.

I've alerted the appropriate people about the problem, however I don't have the power to fix this myself.
I apologize; hopefully this gets resolved as soon as possible.

[FM Bishop]

Hooray! It is fixed!

[FM Cohen]

Sorry I burnt the host. They had to go through extensive surgery to get deadchat working.

[FM Bishop]

Btw why did you choose not to douse anyone?

[FM Colmyer]

All I have to say is;

Worth it.

I made a mistake by claiming I had been blackmailed while currently blackmailed. I knew I was screwed from there.
But I guess since I was a simple citizen, It was good for the town. I gave them a good chunk of information.

The only thing I did not reveal is that I was jailed on N2, by his request.

[FM Bishop]

I might have very well made the same mistake as you, Colmyer. And we should be seeing the other blackmail of night 3 in action today.

If we only have two roleblocked claims today I'm going to assume the Monroe was an Escort before he was converted to a Savage on night 2.

[FM Cohen]

Btw why did you choose not to douse anyone?

Arson is a very late game role, and with dousing being announced, I didn't want anyone to start looking for him around day 3-4 like in every other game.
And my invest pairing gave me no chance whatsoever to claim any town roles in it. Since all of them would be easy to confirm. And the 2 mafia roles in my pairing were almost guarantied to be in the game after d2.

and.... if I were to douse anyone to kill them, you would have been my target n2 (but mafia took care of you first)

I hate lurking and laying low, not my type of play style. I was kinda hoping that town investigation PRs would be more detective/lookouts and less invest/sheriffs. Not doing anything, I would avoid them better and maybe even be looked on as a citizen since I was doing nothing.

My initial plan to claim poisoned to tip off the mafia wasn't a bad plan and completely plausible, but I knew that to do it, I would have to do it before people could know what roles the mafia had... I was counting on there being at least 1 drug dealer in the game so I could claim drugged d2 after surviving.

I was thinking about claiming to be bussed d3, but I thought it might be just too convenient and I thought maybe Cafarelli was also bussed and didn't say anything about it.. seemed like a trap, so I decided against it.

Btw, I know Cafarelli is legit Investigator that was Drugged n1 with no feedback because one of the hosts slipped in skype chat saying:
"(Cafarelli's COM name) was complaining he didn't get his feedback on his invest results on Black"

and I saw it before even making my first post. I didn't want to use that information in game so I decided to claim poisoned regardless of the risks.. thought it would be fun anyways... and it was.

I'm now helping hosts so I know a bit more and I won't spoil anything.. so pardon me if I'm not posting here as much.

[FM Cohen]

Btw, my night actions:

n1: douse Switzerland
n2: Ignite (just making sure there wasn't 2 arsons in play)
n3: Do nothing.

[FM Bishop]

I think that scum needs the additional kpn provided by the Arsonist. And as you can burn during the day you can play the Arsonist like a Serial Killer. But I wholeheartedly agree that laying low isn't as much fun.

[FM Colmyer]

Yeah, I got confused by the rolecard, unfortunately.

Really a shame, but at this point I was better off dead. I knew too much for my own good, my death only confirmed that my claims were real. :x

[FM Morgan]

Omg, the town is so stupid... They see me FOS Ryan, then they see me die.
I wonder what caused that?
Phelps spoke about it once, yet didn't say anything else about it.
My boss had tried to recruit him N1 but failed, so I decided to get him lynched, it would be good for us no matter what he flipped -other than Neutral Evil- and since I was just a Savage and not a PR, I was expendable, so if it was a Beta/Alpha, and then they lynched me, nothing would be lost.
My allies and I decided that I would push, yet since I died, they have no idea what to do and won't push themselves. Gotta love it.

Lets all take bets on who is gonna win this.

My bet is on the Mafia.

The Town just seems like they won't get anything done, and the few smart players they had are dying off, or are getting ignored by the majority, which are the newer players.

[FM Bishop]

Dunno about that. The Arsonist died without killing anyone. Scum lacks some kpn to close this game out fast enough. I think that Town will win the game.

[FM Morgan]

Dunno about that. The Arsonist died without killing anyone. Scum lacks some kpn to close this game out fast enough. I think that Town will win the game.

You forget the Savages. Their added KPN is still significant. Also the Doctor is useless, as I was bussed the night I died, so thats a useless role. When the Savages start killing the Town will drop like stones.

[FM Cohen]

I think the savages might win this one, as long as the savage GF is alive, they control this game. Don't forget that most of the red mafias PRs also help the savages in most cases. And once the savages start killing instead of recruiting, I think town will be left behind in the dust as the 2 mafias fight it out... with the minor difference that savages can regenerate their numbers if needed.

Once savages get an invest / detective, finding citizens to recruit shouldn't be a problem. And they can pull off more risky gambits to force lynches - including trading their own for a mafia lynch/mislynch.

[FM Bishop]

No, they can't. The Cult is limited to 6 members, dead ones included. And there is already one Cult dead, making the maximum size of the living cult 5.

[FM Cohen]

Thats not what I understand of the rolecard, I read capped at 6 as in once at 6, you can't recruit again until one dies. I doesn't say you may only recruit 5 times.

[FM Morgan]

It's capped at 6 including dead. I was part of it, I would know. -Unless I'm just forgetting something right now-

My buddies MIGHT win it, they aren't really suspected, but personally, I think they should be trying to get a lynch on Ryan like we had planned. Killing him would be very beneficial to their cause.

If they can get Ryan killed, and the boss can stay off the radar, then I think they're good.

[FM Bishop]

Check out FAQ question 66. There it states clearly how the member limit is handled.

[FM Morgan]

Like I said. Dead Savages count.

[FM Bishop]

I wonder that there isn't any hint of a blackmailed target in the day chat.
n1: Bishop was blackmailed; second Blackmailer was roleblocked?
d1: Bishop did not fulfill his blackmail
n2: Colmyer and Morgan get blackmailed and drugged; first Blackmailer is unable to blackmail again due to unfulfilled blackmail on Bishop
d2: Colmyer and Morgan fulfill blackmail
n3: Colmyer and ??? get blackmailed
d3: Colmyer breaks blackmail but does not fulfill it; ??? keeps quite
n4: No Blackmailer can take action
d4: We should see the blackmail on ??? in action unless it was Morgan or Cohen

[FM Colmyer]

Well, the ??? has to make me appear town and stop lynch trains on me, but since I'm dead, I don't think he has anything to do.

I wish you wouldn't have acted on the blackmail after seeing that I did, Morgan. We both messed up by doing it on the first day.
I wouldn't have accidently broke my blackmail if I had decided to complete it on the second day.

[FM Bishop]

Why would ??? have to stop lynch trains on you? It probably is a completely different blackmail altogether.

[FM Colmyer]

I wouldn't be surprised if they used their DD on my Blackmail to blackmail a second person.

[FM Bishop]

This might be the case. But nonetheless the blackmail of Blackmailer that didn't target you isn't apparent. I would have thought that the target would try to make it obvious that it is blackmailed by abusing holes in the demands.

[FM Biggs]

I am the best citizen ever >.>

[FM Ballard]

soma as [quack].
I have no doubt Ryan will be lynched today at least.

[FM Morgan]

Any this is how the Savages lose...

[FM Ballard]

yeah we're pretty boned

Savage GF wants to kill and recruit endgame

[FM Bishop]

I still think that the town will win this game. All they have to do is ask who received Soma. Those that don't answer that call are confirmed scum to the soma distributor. Sadly it will take until night 7 to pass that information without revealing.

[FM Morgan]

You never know, I still think the Mafia is going to win. Phelps seems town to me and yet they decide to lynch him. We'll just have to see what happens.

[FM Bishop]

Mafia keeps consistently hitting Cult. Which removes Cult from being a treat to town. Which means in turn more time for town to destroy the Mafia. So far we are at 1 kpn. But well, let's see.

[FM Buchwalter]

I'm still reading the remaining pages on day 5, it ended a lot sooner then I would have though, only on post #720~.

Are we allowed to say our COM in death chat?

I will post more when I'm done reading. ^^

[FM Ferengi]

Are we allowed to say our COM in death chat?

Although threatening to mod kill you has less of an impact on dead players, please refrain from mentioning your COM until the end of the game.

[FM Buchwalter]

Are we allowed to say our COM in death chat?

Although threatening to mod kill you has less of an impact on dead players, please refrain from mentioning your COM until the end of the game.

Ok I will not tell then.

But I most say that talking with (almost) correct grammar, is additive.

Second question:
Am I allowed to talk about my team's roles and actions? Or should I keep them to my self for a while?

[FM Buchwalter]

I'm going to bed, night all!

AMA and I will reply tomorrow.

[FM Ferengi]

Am I allowed to talk about my team's roles and actions? Or should I keep them to my self for a while?

You are, but I always find it more fun to make the other dead players guess at the roles and players in the mafia before spilling the beans.

[FM Colmyer]

Ooh. So on the night I suicided, the Mafia couldn't blackmail?

That made my suicide a bit better for the Town, I guess! c:

[FM Buchwalter]

Am I allowed to talk about my team's roles and actions? Or should I keep them to my self for a while?

You are, but I always find it more fun to make the other dead players guess at the roles and players in the mafia before spilling the beans.

Yeah that is what I always do in SC2 -Mafia- as well, sadly also cause of the likelihood of cheaters, but you get what I mean.

At least i can clear a few of the things everyone is confused about.

[FM Buchwalter]

Ooh. So on the night I suicided, the Mafia couldn't blackmail?

That made my suicide a bit better for the Town, I guess! c:

Yes we could not blackmail anyone, because we had to wait for you to suicide. On the other hand, the lol-factor of having you be the first time we had two KPN, made it worth it!

[FM Buchwalter]

All I have to say is;

Worth it.

I made a mistake by claiming I had been blackmailed while currently blackmailed. I knew I was screwed from there.
But I guess since I was a simple citizen, It was good for the town. I gave them a good chunk of information.

Funny fact, the first blackmail was drugged.
Morgan had the real blackmail night 2.

The only thing I did not reveal is that I was jailed on N2, by his request.

Wait you were jailed? Why would the Jailor not want you to reveal this? That just make him totally useless, even more so with the chance of him being killed and un-confirm-able. (Is "unconfirmable" not a word? Some times I wonder about you Chrome spell-checker.)