S-FM 206: POLITICO

[Firebringer]

Also, I would like to push Firebringer. From the very start of the game he's seemed intent on lynching me for "secret reasons". I'd really like to know what his scum reads on me are based off of, and why he's intent on quick lynching me without giving me time to defend myself.

You said you knew, so now your story has shifted. I was scum reading you because a certain post(s) was a scum post.

You are shifting the story.

[Firebringer]

I think Firebringer is the third one, he can confirm this or not.

Nope, don't even knw what your talking about.
anonymous?

[oops_ur_dead]

Hold on one second.

If the States Attorney targets a player who was night-killed, does their vote not show up at all the next day?

[Firebringer]

I thought so initially as well, and that's what I thought his initial reasons for being suspicious of me were (based off dumb shit we were saying in the chat and him confusing the two of us). My reads are much weaker on C2, so I still think it is possible for it to be him.

No. They weren't.....
hmmm can you quote or paraphrase the chat?

[oops_ur_dead]

You said you knew, so now your story has shifted. I was scum reading you because a certain post(s) was a scum post.

You are shifting the story.

I said I was 50% certain as to why, based off of the congressman chat.

[Firebringer]

I said I was 50% certain as to why, based off of the congressman chat.

I was actually scumreading you for you posting that you were obv town.

[Unknown1234]

Nope, don't even knw what your talking about.
anonymous?

No, nobody wanted to talk reveal in the congressman chat for obvious reasons.

[Firebringer]

Okay, I am thinking I maybe wrong on oops right now....

[Firebringer]

-unvote

Maybe gyrlander, but that feels so lazy.

[Unknown1234]

Okay, I am thinking I maybe wrong on oops right now....

I still don't.

Oops, can you take a look into my and Calix's posts?

[Unknown1234]

-unvote

Maybe gyrlander, but that feels so lazy.

Why the change?

[oops_ur_dead]

Oops can you comment on the high lighted parts, mine and Calix's argument on you?

The bulk of your and Calix's argument is based off of NU's posts regarding me. I cannot comment on the majority of it. I asked NU for his role because nobody asked him before then. I don't see how it could have been coaching because roleclaims don't mean that someone is town/scum in this setup.

My lack of contributing was because I didn't want to sit around and pour over pages and pages of noise trying to find patterns that don't exist.

[oops_ur_dead]

I was actually scumreading you for you posting that you were obv town.

lol I was making fun of someone's post where they said that they're pretty clearly town by replying "same" as a joke. I don't see how that's meaningful at all.

[Firebringer]

Why the change?

If theres a hidden conversation going on and ooops has been participating in it, I can see town motivation to kind of lurk in here to try sort out the people in that to a higher degree of scrutiny, if he plays too pro town in day chat and theres scum in that anon chat they might kill him before he figures stuff out.

These are my moon logic theories right now.

I am kind of thinking based on context I misjudged his evasive and scummy style.

[Unknown1234]

If theres a hidden conversation going on and ooops has been participating in it, I can see town motivation to kind of lurk in here to try sort out the people in that to a higher degree of scrutiny, if he plays too pro town in day chat and theres scum in that anon chat they might kill him before he figures stuff out.

These are my moon logic theories right now.

I am kind of thinking based on context I misjudged his evasive and scummy style.

He hasn't done much in the day/night chat, no one has. He legitamately suggested to talk about video games.

[Firebringer]

He hasn't done much in the day/night chat, no one has. He legitamately suggested to talk about video games.

well can you paraphrase all the stuff happening in that chat?
I am just rambling about shit I don't know apparently and coming up with wild theories.

[oops_ur_dead]

He hasn't done much in the day/night chat, no one has. He legitamately suggested to talk about video games.

I did that because I wanted to bait responses out of people in order to line up timestamps from the thread with timestamps in the chat. Given how I identified you accurately based off your replies, it seems like it worked.

[oops_ur_dead]

Firebringer's reason for scum-reading me initially honestly seems pretty weak. It's suspicious to reply "same" to someone else saying "In my eyes, I'm the most obvious town along Calix in here."? IMO, looks like he was trying to start a lynch train on me given that at the moment I was probably the shittiest player in the game, and he thought I'd be an easy hammer.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer's reason for scum-reading me initially honestly seems pretty weak. It's suspicious to reply "same" to someone else saying "In my eyes, I'm the most obvious town along Calix in here."? IMO, looks like he was trying to start a lynch train on me given that at the moment I was probably the shittiest player in the game, and he thought I'd be an easy hammer.

Kid I could lynch whoever I wanted if i was scum. I am that good.

[oops_ur_dead]

Kid I could lynch whoever I wanted if i was scum. I am that good.

Dude what

-vote Firebringer

[Unknown1234]

I did that because I wanted to bait responses out of people in order to line up timestamps from the thread with timestamps in the chat. Given how I identified you accurately based off your replies, it seems like it worked.

I wouldn't go as far to say it worked, considering I said "if I die look into oops" and given the fact I already put my vote on you, you can't really use that as a valid argument. Seriously though, why were you COM hunting in the Congressman chat? That literally does nothing.

Do you have any reads that could be of use? Or are you going to keep pushing Firebringer for what seems to be the most crappy reasoning ever. If you wanted to vote someone for immediately wanting to vote someone, you could literally use that on most of the people on the Brendan train.

[Mesk514]

Gyrlander > Game Freak > Spruance > Oops > Brendan > Kovath > Unknown > Firebringer > Eggy


Gyrlander has played enough to know that after some point, enough is enough. Every game he's scum he puts in the bare minimum where as when he's not he's more of a pmsing bitch. He's rather calm, and was rather certain Brendan wasn't scum with very bare reasoning.

Game Freak has really contributed much, i really didn't like the push their push on Eggy and to be honest that's all they really did. Nothing else really stands out for me other than that...

Spruance and I have played maybe 2 games together but every time they're just town retard. I think Gyrlander and Game Freak would still be a better lynch.

Oops and Brendan, if it comes down to it could be either or. But when it comes to that point I'll make decision then. They could both be very well Scum.

Kovath kissed Calix's ass the whole way, she even put him in charge of her last will. I think if he was scum and even tried to kill her he would ruin all chances with her.

Unknown, is honestly far down my list because he just is. It's subject to change because Never Unlucky could have potentially targeted him because they were team mates. I don't know how but when it comes to FM Unknown drops some serious balls filled with confidence which I have no clue where he got them from. He could go either way...

Fire bringers like first post was "My gut says it's Never Unlucky" need I say more?

Eggy is the Mayor.

so those are my thoughts on that.

I'm rather certain the States Attorney is scum. Since we mostly figured that out yesterday I believe that's why scum would believe him to be the best choice to send for a fractional kill.

At this point I assume the Congressman have established who each other are and I hope they take it upon themselves to figure out what's going on. Never Unlucky was Judge and scum therefore assuming there's 3 scum, there has to be at least 1 Congressman that isn't scum, therefore I ask that you work your super slooth skills.

[Unknown1234]

Kid I could lynch whoever I wanted if i was scum. I am that good.

What is the point of this comment? Aside from being cocky.

[Mesk514]

-vote Gyrlander

[Unknown1234]

I'm face palming at the logic behind most of the people in this game.

[oops_ur_dead]

I wouldn't go as far to say it worked, considering I said "if I die look into oops" and given the fact I already put my vote on you, you can't really use that as a valid argument. Seriously though, why were you COM hunting in the Congressman chat? That literally does nothing.

COM hunting rules out 2 people as power roles.

Do you have any reads that could be of use?

Nope

Or are you going to keep pushing Firebringer for what seems to be the most crappy reasoning ever. If you wanted to vote someone for immediately wanting to vote someone, you could literally use that on most of the people on the Brendan train.

I'm pushing him because it's weird as hell to me that he voted me based off of the shittiest reasoning possible, and then flip-flopped very quickly once it became clear that I was a congressman who was actually going to do shit, and that his vote on me wouldn't be overlooked should I be lynched and flip town.

[Unknown1234]

COM hunting rules out 2 people as power roles.



Nope



I'm pushing him because it's weird as hell to me that he voted me based off of the shittiest reasoning possible, and then flip-flopped very quickly once it became clear that I was a congressman who was actually going to do shit, and that his vote on me wouldn't be overlooked should I be lynched and flip town.

In a setup where anyone can have any role. I think you just explained why that's a bad idea.

Why don't you make them then? Unless deliberately not helping town is your thing.

You are doing what NU did, pushing people for certain things when other people are doing those exact same things. Do you really not clue in? It sounds more like you're being selfish and since he voted you, you want him dead.

[Cryptonic]

I also have no vote still.

fixed

[Unknown1234]

The thread has died. Lovely.

[Unknown1234]

Gyrlander > Game Freak > Spruance > Oops > Brendan > Kovath > Unknown > Firebringer > Eggy


Gyrlander has played enough to know that after some point, enough is enough. Every game he's scum he puts in the bare minimum where as when he's not he's more of a pmsing bitch. He's rather calm, and was rather certain Brendan wasn't scum with very bare reasoning.

Game Freak has really contributed much, i really didn't like the push their push on Eggy and to be honest that's all they really did. Nothing else really stands out for me other than that...

Spruance and I have played maybe 2 games together but every time they're just town retard. I think Gyrlander and Game Freak would still be a better lynch.

Oops and Brendan, if it comes down to it could be either or. But when it comes to that point I'll make decision then. They could both be very well Scum.

Kovath kissed Calix's ass the whole way, she even put him in charge of her last will. I think if he was scum and even tried to kill her he would ruin all chances with her.

Unknown, is honestly far down my list because he just is. It's subject to change because Never Unlucky could have potentially targeted him because they were team mates. I don't know how but when it comes to FM Unknown drops some serious balls filled with confidence which I have no clue where he got them from. He could go either way...

Fire bringers like first post was "My gut says it's Never Unlucky" need I say more?

Eggy is the Mayor.

so those are my thoughts on that.

I'm rather certain the States Attorney is scum. Since we mostly figured that out yesterday I believe that's why scum would believe him to be the best choice to send for a fractional kill.

At this point I assume the Congressman have established who each other are and I hope they take it upon themselves to figure out what's going on. Never Unlucky was Judge and scum therefore assuming there's 3 scum, there has to be at least 1 Congressman that isn't scum, therefore I ask that you work your super slooth skills.

Even though I REALLY did not want to respond to this, I am doing it purely based on the fact we need more contribution.

I really don't see how Gyrlander is acting any different from any other game. If you truly believe this, go look back at his reaction towards me. This seems like regular Gyrlander. I still agree though, this kid really needs to stop being a dumbass and contribute.

GameFreak has contributed, (I assume that's what you meant), and probably said more posts of value then you have. Only difference is he's not active. Also, if I'm being completely honest, and i'm pretty sure EVERYONE can agree here, you basically hate EVERYTHING that is anti-Eggy. Keep that in mind with biasm. I urge you to re-read GameFreak if you seriously think he's said nothing.

Spruance hasn't done anything different either, IMO, except lurk a lot more and "change his strategy". He literally voted the guy who was dead, the sad part is I don't think the stupidity is fake, therefore i'm more inclined to believe he's town based off of his stupidity. This is subject to change though.

Literally, What are you trying to say here? This says NOTHING about either of them and their interactions whatsoever, i don't know what you are trying to prove here, please add more to this.

Kovath kissing Calix's ass, huh? I don't agree with your point though. Maybe not the best to reference these posts, but Kovath just watched me do this in OW with Roadhog and Tracer, so I can't see why you don't consider this a likely scenario. Not that I think he is scum, but that comment makes you seem so close-minded.

Meh, you are literally stating the obvious. From my perspective, i don't even know why you see this as a possibility. Why does my confidence bother you? And from the sounds of you, literally anyone could go either way, just seems like you're repeating yourself.

Really? you literally JUST said NU and I have a possibility of bussing, but then completely disregard it when it comes to Firebringer. Inconsistent.

Such bias, remind me that every game I play you two will always 'confirm' each other as town next time. I really hope they put you on opposite teams so it kicks into your head that this isn't "pick a buddy and defend them 24/7" mafia.

Meh, this is fairly accurate. If it isn't, the SA better have a good explanation as to his n1 and n2 actions.

So, am I correct to assume you believe the scum team is this: Judge, States Attorney, Congressman? Why in your opinion that you don't see the scum team having a voter?

Can you comment on Calix's last will and my posts regarding oops?

Also, what the fuck. Half the people in the game haven't bothered to show up.

@GameFreak
@Kovath
@Spruance
@Gyrlander

[Brendan]

-vote Gyrlander

hard 2 play when no one is playing

[Gyrlander]

I'm on da beach oWo. Anyway, I'm the other Congressman so that basically destroys all your reasoning that C2 has low contribution therefore he is scum. It would be pretty ironic if I were more active on the chat that on the thread.

[Gyrlander]

Amazing vote Brendan, a lot of reasoning. Have you ever talked about me in the game?

[Brendan]

I still think one of the congressmen are scum. ^^

[Brendan]

They're just not using statesmen vote bc it would be like confirming someone as not scum.

[oops_ur_dead]

I'm on da beach oWo. Anyway, I'm the other Congressman so that basically destroys all your reasoning that C2 has low contribution therefore he is scum. It would be pretty ironic if I were more active on the chat that on the thread.

Can you confirm this by posting the password I put in the chat just now?

Aside, I see three possibilities here.

First is that SA and governor are scum, or possibly SA on their own. This could be the case whatever the answer to the host question I asked earlier is, however if night actions still show up on dead players then this is almost certainly the case. In this situation, all that's left is to find the SA and governor.

The second case is the opposite, that anyone except the SA and governor could be scum. This would happen if the SA happened to target Calix last night and night actions on dead players don't show up. This would suck.

In either case, I think if the SA is town they should claim ASAP and tell us which of these two it is.

[oops_ur_dead]

Can you confirm this by posting the password I put in the chat just now?

Aside, I see three possibilities here.

First is that SA and governor are scum, or possibly SA on their own. This could be the case whatever the answer to the host question I asked earlier is, however if night actions still show up on dead players then this is almost certainly the case. In this situation, all that's left is to find the SA and governor.

The second case is the opposite, that anyone except the SA and governor could be scum. This would happen if the SA happened to target Calix last night and night actions on dead players don't show up. This would suck.

In either case, I think if the SA is town they should claim ASAP and tell us which of these two it is.

I meant two possibilities, not three, my bad.

[Gyrlander]

I prefer Spain more than Mexico tbh

[Brendan]

I still can't believe how hard this died off without Calix everyone just disappeared...

[oops_ur_dead]

I prefer Spain more than Mexico tbh

Alright, confirmed.

All we need is for the SA to speak up. Otherwise, scum is SA + possibly governor.

[Gyrlander]

I recommend thinking about why the governor pardoned Calix N0. Also, this Eggy being pardoned is really shitty

[Unknown1234]

I recommend thinking about why the governor pardoned Calix N0. Also, this Eggy being pardoned is really shitty

Do you mind focusing on something rather then role fishing? Have you even looked at Calix's last will? Have you looked at what I've said about oops?

[Unknown1234]

Now I know how Calix felt when nobody wanted to vote oops, are you all seriously considering him null?

1.) Refuses to give reads.
2.) His associations with NU is beyond normal, I HIGHLY SUGGEST CHECKING what Calix and I said.
3.) Has done nothing to help the town, won't even ask questions.
4.) his vote is based on pure selfishness, and if it isn't he really has no argument.

Can someone actually give me a good reason why Gyrlander is a better lynch then oops?

[Kovath]

Now I know how Calix felt when nobody wanted to vote oops, are you all seriously considering him null?

1.) Refuses to give reads.
2.) His associations with NU is beyond normal, I HIGHLY SUGGEST CHECKING what Calix and I said.
3.) Has done nothing to help the town, won't even ask questions.
4.) his vote is based on pure selfishness, and if it isn't he really has no argument.

Can someone actually give me a good reason why Gyrlander is a better lynch then oops?

Finally weekend over, I'm freeeeee!

I'm ok with both of those lynches today.

I'll have my more substantial thoughts out within the next hour or two.

[Unknown1234]

Finally weekend over, I'm freeeeee!

I'm ok with both of those lynches today.

I'll have my more substantial thoughts out within the next hour or two.

I would definitely prefer to see oops lynched today.

Look at Calix's last will and my posts if you haven't already. If possible, comment seeing as you seem to be the only one who might try right now.

Also, take a look at oops's role-fishing throughout the entire game, and when he thinks it's a good idea. He also revealed both Congressman, which have negative effects, on purpose.

[Kovath]

Yeah, its hard to know where to put your scumbuddy on a readlist, I am pretty sure its oops from that read list.
But also oops gave some scum tells the other day, that while I didn't specifically point out, he also was hyper aware of, and didn't want to comment on them for being "trapped".

It was very scum hyper awareness.

If theres a hidden conversation going on and ooops has been participating in it, I can see town motivation to kind of lurk in here to try sort out the people in that to a higher degree of scrutiny, if he plays too pro town in day chat and theres scum in that anon chat they might kill him before he figures stuff out.

These are my moon logic theories right now.

I am kind of thinking based on context I misjudged his evasive and scummy style.

These two reasonings aren't related to one another at all, yet FB draws opposite alignment reads from them - could you explain more about these thoughts and why you might weigh one more than the other? Lurking is not really AI in this meta, hyperawareness is also kind of meh.

Oops: You've focused heavily on using setup to draw conclusions, do you have any reads on players at all? (Also, lol when pointing out Calix used NU to make reads on you when you didn't really offer anything yourself to read from...) Also, why are you voting FB for that comment?

[Unknown1234]

Oops has already stated he has no reads.

[Unknown1234]

COM hunting rules out 2 people as power roles.



Nope



I'm pushing him because it's weird as hell to me that he voted me based off of the shittiest reasoning possible, and then flip-flopped very quickly once it became clear that I was a congressman who was actually going to do shit, and that his vote on me wouldn't be overlooked should I be lynched and flip town.

This is where he explained his reasoning for his vote.

[Kovath]

Gyrlander > Game Freak > Spruance > Oops > Brendan > Kovath > Unknown > Firebringer > Eggy


Gyrlander has played enough to know that after some point, enough is enough. Every game he's scum he puts in the bare minimum where as when he's not he's more of a pmsing bitch. He's rather calm, and was rather certain Brendan wasn't scum with very bare reasoning.

Game Freak has really contributed much, i really didn't like the push their push on Eggy and to be honest that's all they really did. Nothing else really stands out for me other than that...

Spruance and I have played maybe 2 games together but every time they're just town retard. I think Gyrlander and Game Freak would still be a better lynch.

Oops and Brendan, if it comes down to it could be either or. But when it comes to that point I'll make decision then. They could both be very well Scum.

Kovath kissed Calix's ass the whole way, she even put him in charge of her last will. I think if he was scum and even tried to kill her he would ruin all chances with her.

Unknown, is honestly far down my list because he just is. It's subject to change because Never Unlucky could have potentially targeted him because they were team mates. I don't know how but when it comes to FM Unknown drops some serious balls filled with confidence which I have no clue where he got them from. He could go either way...

Fire bringers like first post was "My gut says it's Never Unlucky" need I say more?

Eggy is the Mayor.

so those are my thoughts on that.

I'm rather certain the States Attorney is scum. Since we mostly figured that out yesterday I believe that's why scum would believe him to be the best choice to send for a fractional kill.

At this point I assume the Congressman have established who each other are and I hope they take it upon themselves to figure out what's going on. Never Unlucky was Judge and scum therefore assuming there's 3 scum, there has to be at least 1 Congressman that isn't scum, therefore I ask that you work your super slooth skills.

So is the Gyrlander-read purely meta? What do you think about his reaction test thing at the beginning of the game, for instance, or other actions? Or do they just fit into the narrative of his scum meta?

Explain more about why his push on Eggy makes him your second lynch target, since everything else doesn't really stand out. It's not like he didn't contribute anything else at all, either - there's literally nothing at all you can read from those posts? (Also, I get the impression or maybe you posted somewhere that anyone not fully confident in Eggy has your suspicion - why am I in your town then? I had Eggy as a Null / Town lean and expressed some doubts about him. You also don't really mention Eggy reads in any of your other comments despite using it hard against GF).

Why is Spruance in your lynch pool then if you make this comment about town retard? Are you just following Calix's reasoning or doing a PL?

What about Oops's recent posts?

...What. Is your read on me only based off Calix? I thought you were suspicious of me the whole day yesterday, flipping your read on me after a night flip is just weird.

Going either way doesn't equate to a townread, the night action is possible but still kinda meh. Wouldn't put it past scum to neuter their own teammate to throw off suspicion. Is there something about his play that you can pinpoint?

Calling a read a gutread also gives potential leeway to get off the train without a hitch, and then he tried to lynch oops. He's offered much more that's able to be discussed, for example what about chainsaw on Spruance? Any thoughts about that?

lol

This is a very lazy reads list that assigned rankings without much substantive foundation at all. (Then again, fking reads list in IM 2.0...)

[Kovath]

Kovath kissing Calix's ass, huh? I don't agree with your point though. Maybe not the best to reference these posts, but Kovath just watched me do this in OW with Roadhog and Tracer, so I can't see why you don't consider this a likely scenario. Not that I think he is scum, but that comment makes you seem so close-minded.

Man, I have a hard time seeing this line as coming from anything but town - I just don't think you're as open and free with past scum perspective as a scum, knowing it could get you pinged out. I would describe it as similar to how I was thinking in IM 2.0 - though I never saw a reason to bring it up myself (though Duck actually did for me), I was always more than willing to discuss something that I was planning to do in IM 1.0 as scum if I saw something similar.