S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

[yzb25]

If you're town, we're REALLY going to need to talk about your D1 play after this game. YES, you lied. You admitted yourself that the Crypt vote wasn't because you thought it was him, even though you listed him as a top scumread when you voted him. You ADMITTED you stole SJ's reason just to vote Crypt, even though you didn't follow it.

And there's the incincerity. You made a readlist you didn't believe, voted someone from it, and then didn't clarify your true "reads" until heavily prompted. If you're going to spend most of the say engaged in active deception, you're playing against my wincon, and I'm not okay with that. It's time for you to eat rope.

I have no intention to change my vote. I will return in about 3 hours.

Dude, the only reason Whad gave for Crypt was "underperforming". Obviously it was a very weak page 7 scumread that could be easily quelled if Crypt did things he read as towny. You're making it sound like he legit thought "I'm going to pretend to scumread Crypt because it suits my agenda mwahahaha" >.>

You yourself have done these stupid day 1 readwalls that come so soon you have to flipflop on half of the reads later. Dafuq man.

Also, I'm pretty sure that, though Whad townread SJ for voting Crypt, he never expressed a strong agreement with the reasons. Obviously noone actually agrees with scumreading Crypt for copypasting off of wikipedia >.>.

Okay this last line is really bolstering Gyr's point.

[MattZed]

Literally one page from the end. I just wanna have a ramble about Mattzed's ISO, before I forget all the thoughts invading my brain.

Whad's "flip-flopping" on Iced is the most natural thing in the world. It's obvious Whad was thinking "shit, I can't understand Iced's push on me from any perspective but "he's opportunistically trying to kill me". I just don't understand his reasoning, but I know we've had a lot of drama in the past and I don't wanna be too quick to judge the guy and repeat past mistakes. Man, if I don't trust my reasons for scumreading him, I guess I should place him as a nullread? Nah, fuck it, I'll vote him. Oooh, actually, outside of this strategy thing Iced has said some towny things."

I even directly asked Whad "Do you think Iced is a scum pushing you opportunistically" and he tried really hard to give a nuanced, balanced response of "well I don't wanna jump the gun because I wanna try and understand the guy". If Whad was scum trying to discredit Iced's push, that was the perfect chance to go "yes that's exactly what I suspect! Here's 10 lines about why he seems opportunistic!". This crucial interaction got a tiny-ass mention in Matt's ISO.

Look, I agree that, even if it is page 7, Whad's over-reliance on meta to determine the alignment of Mesk, Crypt and Titus is bad. That said, it's not like relying on metareads for PAGE FUCKING 7 is some egregious act. It's also natural to see the first few SJ posts and say "ooh that doesn't look like the kind of shit scum would do" and then later see that SJ has followed it up with jack-shit and "reassess".


---Honestly, I don't scumread Mattzed for all this misrep. I think there's just been some fundamental misunderstandings going on. I'm going to try reading that again at some point to try and empathize with / understand how those misunderstandings could develop.---

But still, Mattzed painting Whad's mind-changing as him lying about his reads is absurd. There's a consistent, followable development to his thought process. I know Crypt wanted me to give more thoughts on Whad's reads, so hopefully this inadvertently functions as a response to that too.

Tbf, my issue isn't the meta reads. I agree they're more appropriate D1. My issue is more with the forced trains, especially Crypt's. He admitted he didn't believe in it, but really, re-read that moment yourself and tell me it doesn't feel like a backtrack on a poor vote. If you're really townreading Whad, PLEASE reread his Crypt vote and what follows.

If you think I've misrepped something, please point it out. Right now, Whad is flailing, and his scumreads are literally the three people voting him. I really have trouble seeing a town motivation in all this.

[Titus]

Crypt, why don't you feel engaged?

[MattZed]

Dude, the only reason Whad gave for Crypt was "underperforming". Obviously it was a very weak page 7 scumread that could be easily quelled if Crypt did things he read as towny. You're making it sound like he legit thought "I'm going to pretend to scumread Crypt because it suits my agenda mwahahaha" >.>

You yourself have done these stupid day 1 readwalls that come so soon you have to flipflop on half of the reads later. Dafuq man.

Also, I'm pretty sure that, though Whad townread SJ for voting Crypt, he never expressed a strong agreement with the reasons. Obviously noone actually agrees with scumreading Crypt for copypasting off of wikipedia >.>.

Okay this last line is really bolstering Gyr's point.

MY POINT IS NOT THAT HE FLIP-FLOPPED, BUT THAT IT WAS FAKE. Town change reads all the time and that's normal. FAKING reads isn't. I'm not voting him because he 180'd Iced and Titus. I'm voting him because he hasn't demonstrated he has any real positions to commit to, of which Iced and Titus are only light examples.

[MattZed]

And now, I'm off for real.

[yzb25]

Tbf, my issue isn't the meta reads. I agree they're more appropriate D1. My issue is more with the forced trains, especially Crypt's. He admitted he didn't believe in it, but really, re-read that moment yourself and tell me it doesn't feel like a backtrack on a poor vote. If you're really townreading Whad, PLEASE reread his Crypt vote and what follows.

If you think I've misrepped something, please point it out. Right now, Whad is flailing, and his scumreads are literally the three people voting him. I really have trouble seeing a town motivation in all this.

Yeah, he admitted his case on Crypt was mainly overstated to try and get Crypt talking. I was under the impression this was obvious given his read was literally "expect more". I did this with Gyr to try and make him feel like he needed to talk more to avoid a lynch and to see how he handles pressure.

I think I'm starting to get this now. You take it very seriously when someone says "scumread on X" or "townread on Y" because one of your major methods of reading people is their "read confidence" as you discussed in the FM-post-game-chat. So you take it the wrong way when people are hyperbolic, unclear about the context of their read, exc.

This was also why you ended up misreading Silverwolf for saying "I'm 90% sure Air Jordan is scum".

Anyway, in regards to your misreps, the tone of your ISO made it sound like you think Whad was deliberately clashing with / scumreading Iced to discredit Iced's train on Whad, and his later flipflop was because it was now convenient to townread Iced. That's why I rambled about his interactions with Iced for 2 paragraphs.

The Crypt and Titus stuff doesn't seem inconsistent for reasons I already addressed aaaand yeah I think that's it.

[yzb25]

MY POINT IS NOT THAT HE FLIP-FLOPPED, BUT THAT IT WAS FAKE. Town change reads all the time and that's normal. FAKING reads isn't. I'm not voting him because he 180'd Iced and Titus. I'm voting him because he hasn't demonstrated he has any real positions to commit to, of which Iced and Titus are only light examples.

Yeah, and my point is that the flipflop isn't fake. His reads seem natural and understandable from my perspective.

And now, I'm off for real.

Oh for fu-

[yzb25]

Man, sorry for the long posts. I'm not making enough effort to trim the fat because I'm a little shattered heheh.

[Gyrlander]

1 hour and 10 minutes left.

@Titus My train won't certainly happen today. I please ask you to choose another person which lynch is possible to occur. If you don't you will be basically keeping away from VCA and possible accusations.

@Mesk514 Your vote was the most random thing shit ever. I please ask you to actually try to think of someone who may be mafia, even if it's just because you feel it may be true from the posts he/she has written. Bish.


@yzb25 I'm sorry, but I'm quite busy right now. Could you explain me your basic reasons for voting Crypt?

[yzb25]

Titus' style of writing posts while I've hardly caught up is something I almost never do as town, unless I have to because I physically can't catch up before bed. This is because, if I'm town, I want to make my reads as modern and well-informed as possible, and I don't want to risk wasting my time with a read that turns out to be stupid upon catching up. However, if I'm scum, I can write loads of reads that are ultimately meaningless / have no effect on the game and seem towny. It's largely projection, but Titus' play definitely seems scummy.

Also, this whole "I'm Titus I take everything seriously" feels very fake. I doubt Titus actually scumreads Mesk for her jokey posts at all. Titus, in my experience, is a very emotionally adept player, and doesn't have this "take everyone's statements as they are", so her lack of nuance in dealing with Mesk feels very wrong from the player who was able to suss out FB in the last FM and manipulate BC in Give or Take. When Titus and Iced argued, I felt like she was pulling a lot of stuff out her arse too.

-vote Titus

Here goes nothing.

[Titus]

Me or Whad makes this simple.

-vote Whad

Scum aren't going to vote themselves. *shrug* I can't make people listen if they aren't ready.

[Titus]

Titus' style of writing posts while I've hardly caught up is something I almost never do as town, unless I have to because I physically can't catch up before bed. This is because, if I'm town, I want to make my reads as modern and well-informed as possible, and I don't want to risk wasting my time with a read that turns out to be stupid upon catching up. However, if I'm scum, I can write loads of reads that are ultimately meaningless / have no effect on the game and seem towny. It's largely projection, but Titus' play definitely seems scummy.

Also, this whole "I'm Titus I take everything seriously" feels very fake. I doubt Titus actually scumreads Mesk for her jokey posts at all. Titus, in my experience, is a very emotionally adept player, and doesn't have this "take everyone's statements as they are", so her lack of nuance in dealing with Mesk feels very wrong from the player who was able to suss out FB in the last FM and manipulate BC in Give or Take. When Titus and Iced argued, I felt like she was pulling a lot of stuff out her arse too.

-vote Titus

Here goes nothing.

I'm flattered but you know this to be false. I'm an aspie and there's a litany of games where I take "jokes" literally. Most of the time "jokes" aren't "jokes" when done like that.

[yzb25]

1 hour and 10 minutes left.

@Titus My train won't certainly happen today. I please ask you to choose another person which lynch is possible to occur. If you don't you will be basically keeping away from VCA and possible accusations.

@Mesk514 Your vote was the most random thing shit ever. I please ask you to actually try to think of someone who may be mafia, even if it's just because you feel it may be true from the posts he/she has written. Bish.


@yzb25 I'm sorry, but I'm quite busy right now. Could you explain me your basic reasons for voting Crypt?

This is as short as I can make it, sorry lol:

1) Inflating posts to look more substantial / towny:

In my discussions with him, he often added lots of unnecessary stuff that only seemed there to make him look more towny. He takes a lot of care in writing his posts, so I wouldn't expect that fluff to make it into his final posts.

2) His interactions with you:

He often didn't seem like he was genuinely trying to read you. Like, when he had you as a null slot because none of your posts had an impact on him but he was still telling you to "take it easy you don't need to defend yourself d1". If I had someone as a null slot for that reason I would NOT have the same attitude.

Bear in mind, you hadn't even made that readwall yet at this moment.

Then he said he townread you for expressing shock at SJ's vote and reasoning, even though I think this is something anyone could do and does not deserve a townread. Just didn't seem sincere.

[Titus]

This is as short as I can make it, sorry lol:

1) Inflating posts to look more substantial / towny:

In my discussions with him, he often added lots of unnecessary stuff that only seemed there to make him look more towny. He takes a lot of care in writing his posts, so I wouldn't expect that fluff to make it into his final posts.

2) His interactions with you:

He often didn't seem like he was genuinely trying to read you. Like, when he had you as a null slot because none of your posts had an impact on him but he was still telling you to "take it easy you don't need to defend yourself d1". If I had someone as a null slot for that reason I would NOT have the same attitude.

Bear in mind, you hadn't even made that readwall yet at this moment.

Then he said he townread you for expressing shock at SJ's vote and reasoning, even though I think this is something anyone could do and does not deserve a townread. Just didn't seem sincere.

Dude, get over yourself. Crypt is town.

Short reasons = no garbage

You were right on Grylander and got persuaded by shit and now you're just basically voting with your ego.

Whad will flip town, and more likely than not you'll go after me/Crypt and wham.

[yzb25]

I'm flattered but you know this to be false. I'm an aspie and there's a litany of games where I take "jokes" literally. Most of the time "jokes" aren't "jokes" when done like that.

No response to the first point? Why would you post like that?

Wow, no I did not know that. If you're an aspie, it's not obvious lol. You've talked specifically about how you manipulate your own emotions to suit your interests as scum. This is why I also scumread the Iced-Ika thing. It reminded me of when you let yourself get easily offended in Give or Take, while in the FM you had the self-control of a saint (Ika was basically poking / insulting you for 100s of posts before you cracked).

That doesn't sound like the aspies I know teehee ^^

[yzb25]

Dude, get over yourself. Crypt is town.

Short reasons = no garbage

You were right on Grylander and got persuaded by shit and now you're just basically voting with your ego.

Whad will flip town, and more likely than not you'll go after me/Crypt and wham.

What, are you saying Crypt's reasons have been short?

At this point it's pretty clear my scumread on Gyr was flawed. I don't see how voting you is ego.

K.

[Titus]

No response to the first point? Why would you post like that?

Wow, no I did not know that. If you're an aspie, it's not obvious lol. You've talked specifically about how you manipulate your own emotions to suit your interests as scum. This is why I also scumread the Iced-Ika thing. It reminded me of when you let yourself get easily offended in Give or Take, while in the FM you had the self-control of a saint (Ika was basically poking / insulting you for 100s of posts before you cracked).

That doesn't sound like the aspies I know teehee ^^

Nah, I cannot manipulate my own emotions as scum and would never say that. I say I play to others emotions or try to. Aspies as a whole take cheating very seriously. Iced implying that I cheated or was accusing him of cheating ranks high. One of the tells of being an aspie is having a heightened sense of right and wrong and taking things literally.

[Titus]

What, are you saying Crypt's reasons have been short?

At this point it's pretty clear my scumread on Gyr was flawed. I don't see how voting you is ego.

K.

Well, when Whad flips we'll see that won't we?

Crypt's reasons have been concise and to the point. When he stops getting pissed about Whad being wrong, we'd wreck this game.

Right now, the lynch is terrible and I stand by that.

I'd just rather take the small chance I am wrong.

I bet everyone voting ATM is town but for Iced, Gyr and Mesk.

[Titus]

Google aspie tells, first link.

[Cryptonic]

Now that I'm trying to think more from Whad's side, don't you think that MZ post ISO'ing Whad is quite strange and suspicious. He always does the same every game, and even if at first sight it seems like it's useful, he can easily trick us if we think that. I am thinking MZ may be misrepping Whad and is scum who is trying to get on the train that seemed to be going to be the final lynch but wanted to do it in a "natural" way. And which way is better than doing something that he does all games?

All ISO's are strange, suspicious, and most importantly: shit.

[yzb25]

Nah, I cannot manipulate my own emotions as scum and would never say that. I say I play to others emotions or try to. Aspies as a whole take cheating very seriously. Iced implying that I cheated or was accusing him of cheating ranks high. One of the tells of being an aspie is having a heightened sense of right and wrong and taking things literally.

I just checked the post-game of Give or Take. I'm pretty sure you said something like that, but given you didn't say it in the post game, if you said it you said it during the game while you were scum LOL so I can't really use that.

Again, no response to the first point.

"Titus' style of writing posts while I've hardly caught up is something I almost never do as town, unless I have to because I physically can't catch up before bed. This is because, if I'm town, I want to make my reads as modern and well-informed as possible, and I don't want to risk wasting my time with a read that turns out to be stupid upon catching up. However, if I'm scum, I can write loads of reads that are ultimately meaningless / have no effect on the game and seem towny. It's largely projection, but Titus' play definitely seems scummy."

Well, when Whad flips we'll see that won't we?

Crypt's reasons have been concise and to the point. When he stops getting pissed about Whad being wrong, we'd wreck this game.

Right now, the lynch is terrible and I stand by that.

I'd just rather take the small chance I am wrong.

I bet everyone voting ATM is town but for Iced, Gyr and Mesk.

I was more "K"ing to the "oh no this Whad train is gonna flip town and then you're gonna mislynch me/crypt and you're going to lose this game!"

I literally gave examples of where Crypt seemed to ramble only for the sake of looking town. It's not like it's something he continuously does in every post, but it's there.

It might be worth digging up the BS you pedalled in that youvs.Iced thing.

[yzb25]

All ISO's are strange, suspicious, and most importantly: shit.

Agreed lol.

[Cryptonic]

This is as short as I can make it, sorry lol:

1) Inflating posts to look more substantial / towny:

In my discussions with him, he often added lots of unnecessary stuff that only seemed there to make him look more towny. He takes a lot of care in writing his posts, so I wouldn't expect that fluff to make it into his final posts.

2) His interactions with you:

He often didn't seem like he was genuinely trying to read you. Like, when he had you as a null slot because none of your posts had an impact on him but he was still telling you to "take it easy you don't need to defend yourself d1". If I had someone as a null slot for that reason I would NOT have the same attitude.

Bear in mind, you hadn't even made that readwall yet at this moment.

Then he said he townread you for expressing shock at SJ's vote and reasoning, even though I think this is something anyone could do and does not deserve a townread. Just didn't seem sincere.

I didn't add unnecessary fluff. Everything I posted, especially the post that you had quoted saying that I "took 5 lines to write 1" all supported each other and created my point. I'm sorry my opinions are not: WHAD BAD. WHAD SCUM. CRYPTONIC LYNCH.
What I type is made to each add support to my case, help paint the picture, or explain things in another way that could be understood by players. And you even misrepresented me when I brought up Sc2 Mod, because it was validated by my argument prior to it.

I'll be sure to dumb down my posts when responding to you, since you can't seem to see a whole picture.


And I also never said I'm genuinely trying to read Gyrlander, so another point you're reading into incorrectly.

[yzb25]

Google aspie tells, first link.

I'm familiar with aspergers, I'm just a dopey guy lol.

[Titus]

I just checked the post-game of Give or Take. I'm pretty sure you said something like that, but given you didn't say it in the post game, if you said it you said it during the game while you were scum LOL so I can't really use that.

Again, no response to the first point.

"Titus' style of writing posts while I've hardly caught up is something I almost never do as town, unless I have to because I physically can't catch up before bed. This is because, if I'm town, I want to make my reads as modern and well-informed as possible, and I don't want to risk wasting my time with a read that turns out to be stupid upon catching up. However, if I'm scum, I can write loads of reads that are ultimately meaningless / have no effect on the game and seem towny. It's largely projection, but Titus' play definitely seems scummy."



I was more "K"ing to the "oh no this Whad train is gonna flip town and then you're gonna mislynch me/crypt and you're going to lose this game!"

I literally gave examples of where Crypt seemed to ramble only for the sake of looking town. It's not like it's something he continuously does in every post, but it's there.

It might be worth digging up the BS you pedalled in that youvs.Iced thing.

Yeah, you're tuning out Crypt because you are too desiring to be right than listen.

My style is NAI. I post as I go because it reinforces my reads. Already said that.

[Titus]

I'm familiar with aspergers, I'm just a dopey guy lol.

The things you have said about people with aspergers are just blatantly false, so with all due respect, you aren't and I find that blatantly offensive.

[Titus]

I didn't add unnecessary fluff. Everything I posted, especially the post that you had quoted saying that I "took 5 lines to write 1" all supported each other and created my point. I'm sorry my opinions are not: WHAD BAD. WHAD SCUM. CRYPTONIC LYNCH.
What I type is made to each add support to my case, help paint the picture, or explain things in another way that could be understood by players. And you even misrepresented me when I brought up Sc2 Mod, because it was validated by my argument prior to it.

I'll be sure to dumb down my posts when responding to you, since you can't seem to see a whole picture.


And I also never said I'm genuinely trying to read Gyrlander, so another point you're reading into incorrectly.

Thank goodness this is not a majority game, otherwise we might have to policy yzb to get scum.

[Cryptonic]

I just checked the post-game of Give or Take. I'm pretty sure you said something like that, but given you didn't say it in the post game, if you said it you said it during the game while you were scum LOL so I can't really use that.

Again, no response to the first point.

"Titus' style of writing posts while I've hardly caught up is something I almost never do as town, unless I have to because I physically can't catch up before bed. This is because, if I'm town, I want to make my reads as modern and well-informed as possible, and I don't want to risk wasting my time with a read that turns out to be stupid upon catching up. However, if I'm scum, I can write loads of reads that are ultimately meaningless / have no effect on the game and seem towny. It's largely projection, but Titus' play definitely seems scummy."



I was more "K"ing to the "oh no this Whad train is gonna flip town and then you're gonna mislynch me/crypt and you're going to lose this game!"

I literally gave examples of where Crypt seemed to ramble only for the sake of looking town. It's not like it's something he continuously does in every post, but it's there.

It might be worth digging up the BS you pedalled in that youvs.Iced thing.

META BAD.
NO USE META. IT NO WORK.
WHO CARE PAST GAMES?


YOU GAVE 1. PLEASE NO USE PLURAL. YOU BAD READING.
CRYPTONIC TOWN.

[Titus]

META BAD.
NO USE META. IT NO WORK.
WHO CARE PAST GAMES?


YOU GAVE 1. PLEASE NO USE PLURAL. YOU BAD READING.
CRYPTONIC TOWN.

PERSONALITY META CAN WORK, IF NOT STARTING FROM EGO GARBAGE. MOST START THERE.

[Cryptonic]

PERSONALITY META CAN WORK, IF NOT STARTING FROM EGO GARBAGE. MOST START THERE.

Nah, I don't think so.
People evolve. Mafia evolves.

No one will continue playing the same way if people know they play specific ways. The whole point of the game is deception, so why would anyone follow their own meta?

That's why I play every game as if I was a Citizen. That way, I can just play the same way every game and don't want to worry about meta.

[Titus]

Nah, I don't think so.
People evolve. Mafia evolves.

No one will continue playing the same way if people know they play specific ways. The whole point of the game is deception, so why would anyone follow their own meta?

That's why I play every game as if I was a Citizen. That way, I can just play the same way every game and don't want to worry about meta.

I used to do this, but there are some things that don't really change.

Like, I protect people who I view as on my team. That never really changes, because that's part of who I am. I help my team. That's how meta can be used. It's not well so and so did this jump move so SCUMMM or TOWNNN. It's about getting to know a person and the choices they make and how they think.

Most of it is trash because people want a fast tell. It isn't.

[Titus]

Nah, I don't think so.
People evolve. Mafia evolves.

No one will continue playing the same way if people know they play specific ways. The whole point of the game is deception, so why would anyone follow their own meta?

That's why I play every game as if I was a Citizen. That way, I can just play the same way every game and don't want to worry about meta.

To elaborate, when I hunt you, I look for flaws based in assumptions others wouldn't have. Whad has to hunt you, you react negatively, fueling a fight. That's your T v T.

Flaws in logic exist in every slot. It's the flaws that tell alignment.

[yzb25]

I didn't add unnecessary fluff. Everything I posted, especially the post that you had quoted saying that I "took 5 lines to write 1" all supported each other and created my point. I'm sorry my opinions are not: WHAD BAD. WHAD SCUM. CRYPTONIC LYNCH.
What I type is made to each add support to my case, help paint the picture, or explain things in another way that could be understood by players. And you even misrepresented me when I brought up Sc2 Mod, because it was validated by my argument prior to it.

I'll be sure to dumb down my posts when responding to you, since you can't seem to see a whole picture.


And I also never said I'm genuinely trying to read Gyrlander, so another point you're reading into incorrectly.

I never said I scumread you for your views on Whad, or, as you said earlier, your proposal to lynch SJ/Matt.

I still scumread you, but, if you're town, I apologize for misunderstanding you. I did not bear any bad will against you, and I really am trying to listen to people. That said, you getting this pissed at people for scumreading you, even if you find their reasons stupid, is uncalled for, given you're not perfect either and you've also misunderstood me several times.

[Titus]

I never said I scumread you for your views on Whad, or, as you said earlier, your proposal to lynch SJ/Matt.

I still scumread you, but, if you're town, I apologize for misunderstanding you. I did not bear any bad will against you, and I really am trying to listen to people. That said, you getting this pissed at people for scumreading you, even if you find their reasons stupid, is uncalled for, given you're not perfect either and you've also misunderstood me several times.

I find he's understood you correctly. You on the other hand, think you're the best thing since sliced cheese.

[Cryptonic]

I used to do this, but there are some things that don't really change.

Like, I protect people who I view as on my team. That never really changes, because that's part of who I am. I help my team. That's how meta can be used. It's not well so and so did this jump move so SCUMMM or TOWNNN. It's about getting to know a person and the choices they make and how they think.

Most of it is trash because people want a fast tell. It isn't.

But, you shouldn't.
I will pressure and lynch my team so hard if they look like scum from my Town perspective.

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't even think about prior games nor what anyone has done ever. I don't think any of it matters, and even if it did I wouldn't be able to formulate a strong enough argument to have someone lynched for it. I prefer to rely on my own gut feeling in the moment.

[Titus]

But, you shouldn't.
I will pressure and lynch my team so hard if they look like scum from my Town perspective.

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't even think about prior games nor what anyone has done ever. I don't think any of it matters, and even if it did I wouldn't be able to formulate a strong enough argument to have someone lynched for it. I prefer to rely on my own gut feeling in the moment.

And that's how you play. We all play differently. All are biases. Town have biases. Scum have biases. No one is immune. I lead town and protect town from anyone I feel is a threat once in my block, which is why I tried to diffuse this and highlight scum but everyone started lurking like mofos when I'm on until 30 minutes until deadline.

[Cryptonic]

I never said I scumread you for your views on Whad, or, as you said earlier, your proposal to lynch SJ/Matt.

I still scumread you, but, if you're town, I apologize for misunderstanding you. I did not bear any bad will against you, and I really am trying to listen to people. That said, you getting this pissed at people for scumreading you, even if you find their reasons stupid, is uncalled for, given you're not perfect either and you've also misunderstood me several times.

ME NO SAY YOU SCUM READ ME FOR THAT.
ME GIVE EXAMPLE OF OPINION. HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND OPINIONS.

ME NOT PISSED AT SCUM READING ME. ME PISSED AT PEOPLE NOT READING. IF LOGIC, OK TO SCUM READ.
YOU NO GET WHAT I SAY, SO YOU THINK SCUM. ME NO CAN EXPLAIN.

YOU NO MISUNDERSTAND. YOU MISREPRESENT. WHOLE ARGUMENT MISREPRESENT.

[Titus]

ME NO SAY YOU SCUM READ ME FOR THAT.
ME GIVE EXAMPLE OF OPINION. HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND OPINIONS.

ME NOT PISSED AT SCUM READING ME. ME PISSED AT PEOPLE NOT READING. IF LOGIC, OK TO SCUM READ.
YOU NO GET WHAT I SAY, SO YOU THINK SCUM. ME NO CAN EXPLAIN.

YOU NO MISUNDERSTAND. YOU MISREPRESENT. WHOLE ARGUMENT MISREPRESENT.

Yup. that's his ego.

We'll lynch Whad today. See who is right. Then tomorrow, we lynch in my scumreads and actually probably hit a scum.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Well im caught up. Still confident that titus is scum and more beneficial than a whad lynch. Shes also voting one of her proposed bloc members, and arguing with another now that her head is on the chopping block. Good to see there was no real commitment to that team.

@SuperJack @Cryptonic i implore you guys to move your vote to titus. Im not pinging mz, hes is my scum pool, and on whad which is more suspicious. @Gyrlander you speak of titus distancing herself from a lynch, but you havnt voted either. Get in here

[yzb25]

ME NO SAY YOU SCUM READ ME FOR THAT.
ME GIVE EXAMPLE OF OPINION. HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND OPINIONS.

ME NOT PISSED AT SCUM READING ME. ME PISSED AT PEOPLE NOT READING. IF LOGIC, OK TO SCUM READ.
YOU NO GET WHAT I SAY, SO YOU THINK SCUM. ME NO CAN EXPLAIN.

YOU NO MISUNDERSTAND. YOU MISREPRESENT. WHOLE ARGUMENT MISREPRESENT.

I assure you any misunderstandings I have are genuine. I don't derive some kind of pathological pleasure from misrepresenting people for no reason, nor am I feeding my ego or something by doing this.

If you can't believe that, then RIP heheh.

[Titus]

Well im caught up. Still confident that titus is scum and more beneficial than a whad lynch. Shes also voting one of her proposed bloc members, and arguing with another now that her head is on the chopping block. Good to see there was no real commitment to that team.

@SuperJack @Cryptonic i implore you guys to move your vote to titus. Im not pinging mz, hes is my scum pool, and on whad which is more suspicious. @Gyrlander you speak of titus distancing herself from a lynch, but you havnt voted either. Get in here

This is 1000% scum.

Like I'm trying to get my block to not be idiots. Yet, I know I'm town and I'm not about to chance my own death. No other wagon is viable.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Nah, I cannot manipulate my own emotions as scum and would never say that. I say I play to others emotions or try to. Aspies as a whole take cheating very seriously. Iced implying that I cheated or was accusing him of cheating ranks high. One of the tells of being an aspie is having a heightened sense of right and wrong and taking things literally.

Yzb is right, you do pull shut from your ass. When did i imy you were a cheater? I said you were as stubborn as ika to test if your anger was feigned or not. You take far too many liberties analysing speech for someone who uses 'semantics' as a defense every second post.

[Titus]

So, we have Gyr unvoting right before deadline and lurking shit out.
Iced trying to argue voting for survival and correcting my townreads is turning against my townblock.
Mesk has just lurked and placed an opportunistic vote.

^^^ There's your scums. Like how hard is this?

[Cryptonic]

I'm OK with both a Titus and a Whad lynch.
I'd be OK leaving it to a Host Tie-Breaker.

[Titus]

Yzb is right, you do pull shut from your ass. When did i imy you were a cheater? I said you were as stubborn as ika to test if your anger was feigned or not. You take far too many liberties analysing speech for someone who uses 'semantics' as a defense every second post.

You implied I accused you of cheating when you compared yourself to ika.

[yzb25]

I'm OK with both a Titus and a Whad lynch.
I'd be OK leaving it to a Host Tie-Breaker.

Now this is something I'm down with.

I love dramatic coinflip RNGs =3

[Iced_Monopoly]

This is 1000% scum.

Like I'm trying to get my block to not be idiots. Yet, I know I'm town and I'm not about to chance my own death. No other wagon is viable.

This is me defending someone i town read, and wanting to move votes to a scum read. You know, playing the game?

You even knowingly accept whad will be a mislynch so that crypt can follow your leads tomorrow.

[Cryptonic]

The Titus case isn't bad.
Voting Whad even though they have stated Whad is basically confirmed town to them.
Distancing themselves from a Whad mislynch.
Not scum hunting, only defending others.
Appeasing to me like crazy, borderline buddying.

Wouldn't be out of this world to see Titus as scum this game.

[Cryptonic]

Is it 7 minutes until day end?

[Titus]

This is me defending someone i town read, and wanting to move votes to a scum read. You know, playing the game?

You even knowingly accept whad will be a mislynch so that crypt can follow your leads tomorrow.

Why would I accept a lynch I know is on town as opposed to being open to the possibility of being wrong?

Why would I expect Crypt to follow my reads in death when he wouldn't when I was alive?

Just shut up. I know this is a 3 v 1.