S-FM 167: Standard

[Mikecall]

The 1 post scumness, we always see where that goes, TDL seems depressed with the role I assume he got.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Just so we can clear up my status,

-unvote

inb4 I was 'bussing, or whatever else, Im not that deep for this game, I calls em like I sees 'em.

[RLVG]

The 1 post scumness, we always see where that goes, TDL seems depressed with the role I assume he got.

That's only doctor and jester.

[Mikecall]

The 1 post scumness, we always see where that goes, TDL seems depressed with the role I assume he got.

To add, I don't class him as potential scum, from 1 post of information.

[RLVG]

Just so we can clear up my status,

-unvote

inb4 I was 'bussing, or whatever else, Im not that deep for this game, I calls em like I sees 'em.

There's also "distancing" and not just bus.

[Mikecall]

That's only doctor and jester.

Or a citizen, everyone favourite role with the power of the vote by your side.

[RLVG]

Or a citizen, everyone favourite role with the power of the vote by your side.

I've seen a hyped TDL Citizen with good play.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Yeah, theres a lot of behaviors im still yet to learn from this community that arent frequent in the sc2maf community, but I stand with what ive claimed so far, you will see more meaningful and deliberate activity from me after N1 when there is data available.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Doc on me. Mafia on me, mm and arsonists on me v)o.o)> tomorrow judge call court, Marshall reveal. Am confirmed sheriff/jailor. If I die then town suck! v(o.o(<!

[Mikecall]

I've seen a hyped TDL Citizen with good play.

Would of loved to see that.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Since analysing D1 posts is a thing apparently, (and not deflect, but to raise awareness), Yuki has only been shitposting (sorry yuki, luv yu bb :3), and contributing shit all, im already drawing my own baselines on this behaviour, but it seems like something to consider for you 'serious' d1 lynching players

[Mikecall]

Doc on me. Mafia on me, mm and arsonists on me v)o.o)> tomorrow judge call court, Marshall reveal. Am confirmed sheriff/jailor. If I die then town suck! v(o.o(<!

It would seem to have been harbouring some skills from the legend of fire.

[Mikecall]

Since analysing D1 posts is a thing apparently, (and not deflect, but to raise awareness), Yuki has only been shitposting (sorry yuki, luv yu bb :3), and contributing shit all, im already drawing my own baselines on this behaviour, but it seems like something to consider for you 'serious' d1 lynching players

Just shows the difference of forum mafia and sc2 Mafia doesn't it, everyone had to start from the beginning, not knowing the difference between different peoples styles and everything, but now, it's like a friendly brawl between the forces of good and evil, you never know who would strike first.

[Yukitaka Oni]

It would seem to have been harbouring some skills from the legend of fire.

Don't worry, my I will evolve into Marshall/Judge after I lead this town to win v)o.o)>!

[Yukitaka Oni]

Since analysing D1 posts is a thing apparently, (and not deflect, but to raise awareness), Yuki has only been shitposting (sorry yuki, luv yu bb :3), and contributing shit all, im already drawing my own baselines on this behaviour, but it seems like something to consider for you 'serious' d1 lynching players

No don't sorry me, be on me tonight instead >)o.o)>!

[Mikecall]

Don't worry, my I will evolve into Marshall/Judge after I lead this town to win v)o.o)>!

Dang, I don't want to have the forces of the Marshall Judge combo on this town, considering if the judge and the Marshall both have 2 counts of votes each.

[Mikecall]

No don't sorry me, be on me tonight instead >)o.o)>!

Yuki, the hidden town, awaiting for lurking prey so she can use that knowledge to kill anyone on sight, anyone know that kind of role?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Dang, I don't want to have the forces of the Marshall Judge combo on this town, considering if the judge and the Marshall both have 2 counts of votes each.

Without the light of the Sheriff/jailor? What will we become? - You
Free! - Me
Lie! - Firebringer
Believe! - Me
Have faith v)o.o)>.....En Taro Sheriff/Jailor....

[Iced_Monopoly]

Quick Q

Regarding the (corrupt)Journalist, does the day start 'article' feature the player's name that wrote the article. If so, does the article feature a player name chosen by the corrupt journalist if they choose to obfuscate the player name they receive a article from their targeted player?

[Iced_Monopoly]

Cant edit...

Journalist, receiving article from me after requesting me to write:
Iced says: blah blah blah

Corrupt Journalist, receiving article from me after requesting me to write:
Yuki says: blah blah blah

or is the entire process anonymous.

[Frog]

@Iced, are you going to comment on PoD's play so far?

@MikeCall - you want me to comment more than I have?

Lynch:
MikeCall
Pod

Maybe Lynch:
RLVG
Iced

Won't Lynch:
Calix

I suspect Iced, Mikecall, PoD - trio

I'm wondering if Iced would consider voting PoD, a seeming jester. A Mafia wouldn't even consider it, even though PoD has been somewhat scummy. A Town may consider it. Iced isn't even commenting on it - probably because he's afraid to misspeak.

[RLVG]

I don't see jester play from PoD.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Like I said previously, Il discuss my player opinions tomorrow after I see their play (with data) versus their d1 play.

Pressuring me at this stage, given ive already made my stance will likely result in mafia keeping me alive tonight as a viable lynch target tomorrow, or you lay off, and allow me to become a possible lynch target for today, which warrants no useful information, and sets you up for potential scum alignment. The final option lay off, let me play how i explained ill play, and see what I have to produce tomorrow, which consequently sets me up as a maf target, but is still the best opportunity for new useful information to arise.

[Iced_Monopoly]

The way I see it, the d1 lynching players are either heavy scum, looking to control early lynchings without having to comit, or weak roled players looking to take hits for tpr's. Everyone in between is going to keep relatively quiet and let the game play out till they have shit to contribute.

[Mikecall]

And frog, it can be the same for you and Calix. You defend Calix for the way he bussed me for a straight forward lynch cause of me being on? If I had to the name the team of mafia, I would say you, Calix and ice, but it's personal opinion, you guys want to warrant a lynch for lylo whereas I only want to use the vote for pressure for a claim.

[Mikecall]

Weirdly enough frog, you only say me and pod as a top lynch because we both voted Calix, for me having a reasoning behind lynching Calix and pod sheeping the vote. That is what concerns me right now. Ice may not be the top scum read, but you are becoming more of a scum.

[Iced_Monopoly]

I would say you, Calix and ice, but it's personal opinion, you guys want to warrant a lynch for lylo whereas I only want to use the vote for pressure for a claim.

Ive unvoted and said specifically I have no intentions of lynching on d1...

[Mikecall]

Also frog, mind if I can ask this, but if me, ice and pod where a triple, then why does ice have a consistent vote on me? Why did pod jump on the train I did? Doesn't really add up now does it.

[Mikecall]

Ive unvoted and said specifically I have no intentions of lynching on d1...

I know, but just trying to say personal opinion for today's top scum.

[Iced_Monopoly]

then why does ice have a consistent vote on me?

Consistency 101 - following a train because no meaningful discussions were being had, removing vote after slight discussion, being opposed to voting after continued discussions. quality definition of consistency.

[RLVG]

Vig on PoD, Det on Frog, Invest on TDL, Doc on RLVG, blacksmith on Toadette, Journalist on Mike.

[RLVG]

It's all WIFOM.

[RLVG]

Sooo guys, I figured out something.

Claiming anything is bad in this setup even in pressure.
Vote to lynch until D3.

[Frog]

RLVG, you sound like most honourable Town Leader Firebringer.

[Frog]

I love how Iced backs off of MikeCall now. I'm telling you, this RVS voting business where they had no intention of actually following through was a way of distancing themselves from their fellow scum by bussing initially and unvoting. If anything, I feel like this MikeCall flip will be the most revealing. Especially if Mike is a scum flip. It'll open it up to Iced and Pod and bussing teammates. It should also clear Calix and Myself to a lesser extent.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Youre more than welcome to continue pressure on mike, but regardless of the flip, I maintain all previously made points, and will continue to play as I previously described. I never had any intention of lynching a D1 target, I was merely looking for something to start a conversation

[Frog]

Youre more than welcome to continue pressure on mike, but regardless of the flip, I maintain all previously made points, and will continue to play as I previously described. I never had any intention of lynching a D1 target, I was merely looking for something to start a conversation

Can you explain the pros and cons of lynch - the pros and cons of no lynch.

From what I've read I don't think you've actually thought it through - overall, you appear very scummy tbh, but there could be a more obvious answer which I wouldn't want to pressure. So instead, just explain the pros and cons of lynch vs. no-lynch.

No Lynch-

Pros:

Cons:

Lynch-

Pros:

Cos:

[Iced_Monopoly]

Can you explain the pros and cons of lynch - the pros and cons of no lynch.

From what I've read I don't think you've actually thought it through - overall, you appear very scummy tbh, but there could be a more obvious answer which I wouldn't want to pressure. So instead, just explain the pros and cons of lynch vs. no-lynch.

Lynch:
Pros:
Scum have a chance to mass votes on a random town/neut.
Negs:
Town loses a role.

No Lynch:
Pros:
We dont lose a role based on 0 evidence and pretend scum hunting
Negs:
None, all lynches this day are baseless, and with town making up majority of roles, we stand to lose the most.

[Frog]

Ok Iced,

I think you're missing a few points, perhaps on purpose.

A lynch reveals information and indication of alliance on who voted whom. This gives power roles something to work off of. The current make up is 5 non-towns vs. 8 towns. If you know yourself to be town, the odds of a mislynch isn't all that high compared to a standard 2 mafia, 7 town setup. Even in those setups, it's preferred to lynch D1.

A no lynch benefits the town in that there is no mislynch, but assuming there are no town killings, then Mafia and scum will benefit most because they don't NEED to lynch AT ALL - they can simply perform night killings and let it float out until they win.

The only REAL positive of a no-lynch is enabling a possible jailor to perform a jail, of course, mafia also has the ability kidnap - so that's not actually a pro.

For more information on WHY D1 matters, and WHY a D1 lynch is most beneficial to town, i'll refer you to this:
https://www.debate.org/debates/Mafia-...lysis-On-D1/1/

Please don't modkill me for this link. It's 100% informational.

[Frog]

FYI - there are no jailors or kidnappers in this setup.

[AppleyNO]

https://www.debate.org/debates/Mafia-...lysis-On-D1/1/

Judge, I'm telling you, the Negative team continues to try and frame the round with behavioral analytics! Don't believe it! The only framework that should be considered during this round is human rights. The team that protects human rights the most should win the round, and that team is the Affirmative team. Vote Affirmative on human rights.

Sorry I actually policy debate xD

[RLVG]

Pro-NL D1:
Why lynch without clues and facts? No mislynch on PR.
Scum doesn't know game based on flip. Higher scum vs scum accidents that way.

[RLVG]

Appley's totally up for some philanthropy.

[AppleyNO]

Quick Q

Regarding the (corrupt)Journalist, does the day start 'article' feature the player's name that wrote the article. If so, does the article feature a player name chosen by the corrupt journalist if they choose to obfuscate the player name they receive a article from their targeted player?

No names are provided. It will appear as "An Article has been posted!"

You can view the current FM for an example.

[RLVG]

1v1 has neutral over mafia. If Mafia 1v1 a Jester or Executor, do mafia lose?

[AppleyNO]

Appley's totally up for some philanthropy.

hahahahahahah

You know the topic this year in the United States is actually

Resolved: The United States Federal Government should substantially curtail its domestic surveillance.

Our Affirmative case ends embassy spying in the US, like on the EU embassy.

Okay I've talked enough back to the game!

[AppleyNO]

1v1 has neutral over mafia. If Mafia 1v1 a Jester or Executor, do mafia lose?

The Mafia will have already met their win condition. They do not need to beat a Jester or Executioner.

A more indepth 1v1 win con tie breaker is -

Arsonist/Mass Murderers -> Mafia -> Town
Jester
Executioner
Amnesiac

The game ends when either an Arsonist, Mass Murderer, the Mafia, or the Town meet their win condition. Hopefully that clears that up.

[Zekrom2802]

I've just read the whole thread and... I am still not allowed to speak in R'lyehian... Anways, I'm unsure on which train I should jump...

[Iced_Monopoly]

A lynch reveals information and indication of alliance on who voted whom. This gives power roles something to work off of. The current make up is 5 non-towns vs. 8 towns. If you know yourself to be town, the odds of a mislynch isn't all that high compared to a standard 2 mafia, 7 town setup. Even in those setups, it's preferred to lynch D1.

This is still where 3 mafia are alive and aligned, there is a high probability of town being lynched, and given the other town folk have no information to work with and are likely to sheep ( as already see at the start of this day), mafia are the only ones to benefit from a D1 lynch

[Toadette]

Do we have to have this conversation every time? Really?

No lynching ALWAYS benefits scum.

-vote Mikecall

Sorry Mike but I think Frog has a point.