Would this be game throwing?

[Bergtau]

So there are 4 players left, 3 Town and 1 Cultist. The remaining town are two Jailors and a Mayor. At this point, the players are unsure of who the Cultist is, as the Jailors have not proven themselves yet. During the night, the Jailors both Jail the Mayor to prove each other's identity, but one of the Jailors get converted to being a Cultist. At this point in time, it is possible for the town to still win, as the Mayor can vote to lynch a Cultist and they won't be able to convert for this night, either.

Instead, the Jailor/Mayor wait to be converted by the Cultist and win with the Cultists.

[Orpz]

yes

[Voss]

i wouldn't necessarily agree, but the mods would say yes, it is game throwing, as they are going against their win condition.

[Bergtau]

i wouldn't necessarily agree, but the mods would say yes, it is game throwing, as they are going against their win condition.

Basically I think it comes down to this: Do you have a responsibility to your dead teammates even if you can win in some other way?

[Ash]

technically it's game throwing, but only to change your win condition at the end

[Nazzhoul]

Intending to get culted as a town member is regarded as gamethrowing by the keepers and mods and most of the community.
Essentially, wanting the cult to win, even as a part of it, is playing against the town win condition.

[Raptorblaze]

I ruled on a pretty similar situation with Xen, when he was mayor and purposely let cult get an advantage so they'd convert him. Doesn't matter if you win in the end, you played against your win condition and lost it for your team. Go down fighting.

[creedkingsx]

Not to mention griefing, making all the dead players wait for you to get converted.

How could you not win? The Mayor has majority votes as is...

[Bergtau]

I ruled on a pretty similar situation with Xen, when he was mayor and purposely let cult get an advantage so they'd convert him. Doesn't matter if you win in the end, you played against your win condition and lost it for your team. Go down fighting.

This disappoints me greatly. I get wanting people to not ruin the game by playing to win, but I think people should be able to prioritize their own victory over vainly vying for their already-lost group's win. For a situation in which the town could still win, I could see it going either way, so counting that as a throw makes sense.

Not to mention griefing, making all the dead players wait for you to get converted.

How could you not win? The Mayor has majority votes as is...

So if the last town waits to get converted by the Cult he's griefing?

[ika]

So if the last town waits to get converted by the Cult he's griefing?

hes wasting ppls time, he can try and most likely will end game right then and there. if a myslinch occurs and then mayor gets converted then oh well, delibertly wasting time to get converted as mayor like that is a form of greifing

[Cryptonic]

This disappoints me greatly. I get wanting people to not ruin the game by playing to win, but I think people should be able to prioritize their own victory over vainly vying for their already-lost group's win. For a situation in which the town could still win, I could see it going either way, so counting that as a throw makes sense.



So if the last town waits to get converted by the Cult he's griefing?

in the situation you described, town could have won. If its a situation where town lost 100%, it would be ok to try to convince the cult to convert you instead of the other guy.

[oops_ur_dead]

in the situation you described, town could have won. If its a situation where town lost 100%, it would be ok to try to convince the cult to convert you instead of the other guy.

Pretty much this. Gamethrowing is defined as purposely giving your team a disadvantage. If your team can still win and you stop them from doing so, it's gamethrowing. If your team will surely lose, then nothing you do can stop that from happening so it won't be gamethrowing.

[Bergtau]

Pretty much this. Gamethrowing is defined as purposely giving your team a disadvantage. If your team can still win and you stop them from doing so, it's gamethrowing. If your team will surely lose, then nothing you do can stop that from happening so it won't be gamethrowing.

Ok, well the way the phrasing was "Going against win conditions" and "Fighting 'til the end" implied something else to me.

hes wasting ppls time, he can try and most likely will end game right then and there. if a myslinch occurs and then mayor gets converted then oh well, delibertly wasting time to get converted as mayor like that is a form of greifing

No like, there are 2 Cultists and 1 town left, the town says "Don't lynch me, convert me" and they do.

Or 2 doctors/2 cultists, etc.

[Voss]

by their definitions, both not gamethrowing.

[creedkingsx]

In the scenario you described, town could win.
You have a mayor still town aligned Mayor with town and 2 cult, you can still win. Especially if cult is just on cooldown.
The case you described was game-throwing.

[Bergtau]

In the scenario you described, town could win.
You have a mayor still town aligned Mayor with town and 2 cult, you can still win. Especially if cult is just on cooldown.
The case you described was game-throwing.

The initial case, of course, but the 'go down fighting' thing and people talking about playing win conditions (lynch every evildoer etc. for town) made me think he was also talking about any case where you're still alive as town.

In any case my questions have been answered.

[Deantwo]

should have posted this in Mafia Discussion ^^;

but yes i'd also say it's Game-Throwing... as your playing against your team... if all the dead Townies had left the game and it was only those 4 players left in the game... then maybe it'd be ok?

kinda like a SK, Arsonist, and MM being somewhat allowed to Game-Throw... because they have no team-mates...
it is allow to game-throw... IF all of your team-mates agree...
but since you can't ask the dead Townies if it's ok... it's NOT ok