I’ve responded to your points with points of my own, Naz. The only thing that ever came from it was repeating the same points that I’ve read before, but not answering the new question that I’ve asked. I understand that you’re allowed to read rumox differently, but you have to realize that if I Town-read him, I want you to switch to my scum-reads instead. That’s how the game works. So yes, I’ve repeated myself a lot, but that whole point still stands. I won’t keep repeating this conversation, but to leave you with this main point.
Blinkskater has been buddying you. Put aside whatever feelings you feel against me, and ask yourself if the read he has given on you makes sense. And the fact that he keeps whining about being suspected. Does that appear like a town play to you? (Don’t use meta, because I’ve seen enough meta arguments and would like something with substance from this game).
Fielzanks has also been improving his logic within the last couple posts, and I think I need to do something that I don’t do a lot and admit that even though both our opinions are completely different and I don’t follow his argument, that it’s not scummy if I try to look at it from his own perspective.
You on the other hand have also been giving substance and analysis, which is the main reason I really did not think you were Town for the longest time. Maybe I am too aggressive when I play this game, I don’t play to be friendly with people, but I should probably relax because it hasn’t been helping with progressing this game .
Rumox and Magoroth are not my favourite lynches, so I am interested in seeing where you stand on blinkskater and aamirus.
Okay, now on number 1380 and several views have changed. This is why I shouldn't have posted before I finished reading like a cocky twat, cuz I basically clogged the thread with some outdated views I would ultimately rescind.
I was under the assumption Rumox's play was more focused on baiting Mag to see how he'd react to someone actually executing his own strategy, and to generally bait scums. (there were various ways scums might have interacted with the claim that coulda given them away)
The slight possibility of scumteam being dumb and attacking him was also nice, but I was under the impression this was not his main intention. I was also expecting lots of thoughts from Rumox after coming out and revealing - he has no reason to give such minor contributions now he's outed himself.
Rumox is a very logical player, but he's also got a penchant for fancy play, judging by last game. So reading his gambit from a town/neutral POV felt natural. However, reading how he's used his time since has thrown him back in the null/scum pile.
I'm really sorry for sprouting confusion like this. >.<
My whole main point about it right now is how he has delivered his claim, which nobody seems to want to comment on. I don’t think the way he presented his claim has come across as scum to me.
And yes, I do not like meta reads. If I had to lynch someone right now because of it, MM would get his head chopped off for trying to hide the fact that he was sheeping and because all of his reads are meta based. It’s personal opinion on people, which does nothing for the game. Nobody can have a meta permanently and never change, which is why I’ve dismissed meta posts.
So yes, he could make this claim. And yes, he could have planned to retract the claim. Let me note that he hasn’t directly claimed citizen, and the way he’s delivered this play is, like I said before, not what I think scum would do.
"wut, in one only post, you are showing that we can't trust you and you are claiming shitizen...wow"
Ok I get it, my style is fucked up. And yeah, I am doing that, claiming what I am. I mean, what would be the point to be silent about it, amirite? *bips bedora XDXDXDXD*
@Efekannn02 replace that slot :'(
Ok, so please repeat the new question because I seem to have missed it somewhere in all this.
In regards to blinkskater: Sorry, you said don't use meta, but unfortunately, I have to go there. But its because he HAS NO META. He is the wildest card ever. It's classic Blink vs MM that when MM scum reads him, blink is town, but we no longer see that as true. I have been fooled into thinking blink is town, as well as MANY of us, when he wins with scum, and as a solo arsonist win. He is a NULL read to me, which is why I don't care to lynch him today. If mafia was smart, they would kill him before day 3. So why waste my time right now on a null read, who has a very busy irl (he works construction for over 12 hrs a day, in a city over an hour away from his house, and has 2 small children). He can be very HELPFUL later in the game if he IS town when he can actually keep up. THAT is my stance on blink right now. I don't see ANY information in his lynch at the present moment.
Fielzanks: He is very dangerous, has claimed TPR (so why do you want to lynch him???), and has been providing theories and keeping conversation going. Not to mention, he filled in the new players with a very unbiased summary. He is also null to me, but was begging for attention yesterday during our argument, crying for someone to attack him and stop town reading him. There is no meta on him, anyone saying so is full of it.
Aamirus will give us just about as much information as blink, I would rather lynch MM or rumox. That is my stance for today.
Also, we are both quite aggressive, and I would like to apologize to you about all the bullshit from yesterday, and hope we can move on. I have just been frustrated lately by several players in FM, who start and continuously pummel insults at me (yes, this is about Ozy and rumox), and am trying to get the salt out of my wounds, but am completely dropping it this game and will hopefully not bring it up in any future games. Sorry that I took it out on you.
Nothing I've read thus far from Fiel's posts indicated to me that he is scummy. I've just reread most of them and I can safely say that I don't believe that Fielzanks is scum... time to reread a lot of other posts in this case.
Congrats: You're more or less confirmed town. Why do I think the scum was actually more or less afk...? @blinkskater boi what are you doing?
Parking my vote on David
-vote TheGodDavid
The point that I’ve tried to make in most of my posts is about how I really don’t think rumox is scum based on the delivery of his claim. Sometimes things get lost in long wall posts, sometimes I miss points too, it happens. But I’ve tried to bring it up multiple times (just mentioned it again to Fielzanks) and I haven’t seen anyone directly refute it. If you have, then showing me where you have so I can see how you feel about that part as well.
If I’m not mistaken, I thought his claim was “what if I’m a TPR” and which following that I didn’t take it seriously. At somebody point, scum can just claim TPR to remove attention from themselves, and say “oh I was baiting a night kill” (as some people believe, rumox).
I agree that information is key in this scenario, but I’ve already seen certain people defend aamirus, and notice as well that he hasn’t been engaging in the main center of discussion. So yes, information is important, but lynching a scum player is more important.
I don’t take anything personally from you, and I sincerely hope you haven’t either. I’ve played games where I’ve seen scum do nothing and get away with it with attacking people and disregarding comments, and I was worried that the same thing was happening to me. It sets a precedent to scum that they can do nothing and not get suspected for it.
Still in class so I need to break, but I’ll be back to comment more.
I think that one of the inactives is from the scum because I've reread through the threads to find Alignment Indicative posts to draw threads to people (to prepare for my day 2 posts analyzing all of this and exposing it to everybody) but while doing that I could not find a way to link a team of three, basically meaning that one scum is going at 2 others, most likely. I do think that the SK would legitimately scum-hunt (because he has to target a mafia at night unless he want to be outnumbered) but I don't think that 3 mafia would completely avoid eachother on day 1, as that is a clear indicator of alignment. There was some agenda being pushed to reveal TPR claims that were obvious (rumox, lenneth) and some who did not have that goal but made it so (you, me, unknown) but putting a direct thread is impossible. That makes me think that at least one very competent player is in the mafia, and that one of the inactives was a scum spot.
At least with Unknown I am able to have a conversation, unlike rumox who has largely shit posted, only been on to defend himself, and has done ZERO scumhunting. This is why I want a rumox lynch.
MM on the other hand is a Meta Lynch.
I wholeheartedly agree that hiding in the inactives as scum is close to being pathetic and lazy but if it makes you win, whatever. The problem is that our current setup does not allow us to punish these type of behavior because of the high probability of us losing if the inactives are just lazy citizen who think their role is useless, when in fact, it is the most important one.
I think the scum are to be found within this general group: Dunna, aamirus, blinkskater, Marshmallow Marshall. I'm not so sure about rumox or David either. I think that lynching blinkskater tells us NOTHING - I feel like he's almost asking us to Lynch him. Sure, I think he's scum (he's playing way too chaotically to be town), but I can't be sure that his Lynch would actually help us.
I was taking a piss and a sudden thought came to my mind. I was shifting through the citizen claims and what struck me is that both MM and Blink have been claiming citizen.
I agree with Unknown here that one of the inactives was likely scum, and I think that was kiprockz.
bruh...my entire iso lol: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...624#post740624
this is his delivery
yes, wow, look at that obvious wifoam, but he was expecting what? people to not say anything? people to let it slide? then he really is a terrible player if he thought no one was going to comment on that, especially after we had made many posts about not role claiming.
the worst part is how he broke the wifom. YEAH, we were talking about it. so what? it's up to you to make it or break it and he let it crumble, shat on people, left without helping town.
regardless of his claim, as yzb25 put it, the way he has been spending his time in this game is utterly unhelpful for town, and is indicative of scum. he made that claim with potential wifoam to get town points, it back fired, and he is staying out of the spotlight which is what he, and many MANY others, do as scum. towns try to solve the mystery and drag out information; scum lay low and let town go down the wrong path.
with that-vote rumox
if MM is scum, he HAS GOTTEN BETTER, but it will be painfully obvious in the future
may the light be with you komrades
Couldn't agree more actually, but the problem then lies in linking MM and blink to some other players.
Linking blink and MM together is so easy it's almost a joke. Blinkskater tried to start a 'fake' train on MM and MM did not even flinch when that happened. Like David noted, his response to that train on his person was to joke about it.
..the mafia..is only a group of 3...there is not more than 3...on mafia..only town is a group over 3...u...hurt..me..
but if i had to guess it's David
thanks, i am glad i was able to be coherent and that it made sense.
i was promised nudes from teh blinkskater himself if i typed "i am conferm town"
@blinkskater the kommunists DEMAND NOODS!!!!!! SHARING IS CARING
If anything if MM is scum he has actually gotten worse; I believe he is scum with blink and aamirus or perhaps rumox? Regardless, while I am not entirely opposed to a rumox Lynch, I feel there may be other more valuable lynches at present: namely, aamirus or Marshmallow. if Marshmallow is evil then blinkskater almost certainly is as well.
That doesnt mean that I see you as scum, just that that post could have been seen as an obvious way to get info on potential TPR claims.
please elaborate on what information do you gain on an aamirus lynch, if she flips town or evil, or worse SK lol
i see plenty of information from rumox as well as getting rid of dead weight from an experienced player who should be playing better and scumhunting, as well as has potential to suicide gamethrow again. yes its salt from last game, but if you are only focusing on that one reason out of my many .......................................
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
This moment when Fielzanks joined a train with two of his scum reads in it.