S-FM The Cold War III

[Ganelon]

Dunno, lots of people are not voting him, meaning he's either town and mafia are covering him and will push for another lynch strongly or he's mafia and he's not getting voted by them, but that would redo half of my reads.

Sounds like a useful lynch?

[TheGodDavid]

David, where do you stand with MM? I notice you haven’t commented much.

I think hes a scum for claiming multiple roles.
He first claimed Castro, he stated he fakeclaimed this in order to find the neutral role Castro which can help the town. Then, he started to claim citizen once he realized that Castro wasn't in the setup.
He has played this setup before, knowing that Castro will be forced to help town or he would be lynched. As a veteran, I'm not surprised if he was trying to fish for Castro to make himself look town.

[Dunna]

Who the fk would fakeclaim as Castro lol

[Fielzanks]

Need to wait and see what happens. Right now this is the only vote that I support that seems to be going through so I don’t see myself changing.

My vote WILL change, that's for sure.

[Unknown1234]

My vote WILL change, that's for sure.

Are you still wanting to lynch rumox? If not, who is your priority lynch?

[Fielzanks]

Sounds like a useful lynch?

Problem is, we cannot afford an informational lynch

[Fielzanks]

In Magoroth / Blink / MM / rumox I could see 1 scum. If the MM train appears to be scumdriven to me, I will push for rumox and get votes on him. Analyzing voting patterns and resistance near EoD is extremely important to get the correct lynch through

[Ganelon]

Problem is, we cannot afford an informational lynch

Lynch blinkskater or MM is my stance, no way they're both town unless they're both idiots.

[yzb25]

NGL, skimmed last 3 pages like a rebel

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

@Fielzanks What's your view on Lenneth and David?

Half an hour after you made your long setup analysis post, Lenneth made his own little wallpost where he literally "reacted" to the game's scum roles. It looked very much like someone trying to fit in and landed him FoS when I read it. His reads have been okay but I don't remember anything really original. Have u noticed anything?

Also, about David. I may be misremembering, but I'm fairly certain he was the first to comment on MM's scumminess before even Aamirus, at a time when everyone was focused on Rumox. In context it was quite a new read and not the sort of thing a newbie would have posted if he was looking to make posts to fit in.

His next major read (on Mag) also came at a period when, at the most, you'd made an offhand comment or two about how you find Mag weird.

My point is, both of his first reads were insightful AND original, which doesn't strike me as a neutral trying to blend into the background. At worst I can see them as strategically placed reads distancing himself from potential scummates.

[Fielzanks]

Lynch blinkskater or MM is my stance, no way they're both town unless they're both idiots.

I also highly doubt they're both town, but then it's a 50/50. I won't gamble the whole game on that.

[Ganelon]

blinkskater is pretty much my *only* hard scum read.

also blink didn't you want to Lynch me? Your saying that my reads are shit implies that you know me to be town.

[yzb25]

This is an expression of agreement to lynch, if one of you fucks puts him at l1 I unvote immediately.

[Ganelon]

Wait, don't Lynch him yet. We still have plenty of time to go.

[Ganelon]

And I'd like the accused to conduct a defense 'afore he is executed.

[Lenneth]

Lynch blinkskater or MM is my stance, no way they're both town unless they're both idiots.

No way? Interesting, you are pretty much sure of yourself in this statement.

[Ganelon]

I for myself would prefer a blink skater Lynch today because of his insistence on not lynching the SK and for his posts that are screaming scum; if neither of those two lynches go through, I'm more than prepared to kill Dunna.

[Lenneth]

NGL, skimmed last 3 pages like a rebel

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

@Fielzanks What's your view on Lenneth and David?

Half an hour after you made your long setup analysis post, Lenneth made his own little wallpost where he literally "reacted" to the game's scum roles. It looked very much like someone trying to fit in and landed him FoS when I read it. His reads have been okay but I don't remember anything really original. Have u noticed anything?

Also, about David. I may be misremembering, but I'm fairly certain he was the first to comment on MM's scumminess before even Aamirus, at a time when everyone was focused on Rumox. In context it was quite a new read and not the sort of thing a newbie would have posted if he was looking to make posts to fit in.

His next major read (on Mag) also came at a period when, at the most, you'd made an offhand comment or two about how you find Mag weird.

My point is, both of his first reads were insightful AND original, which doesn't strike me as a neutral trying to blend into the background. At worst I can see them as strategically placed reads distancing himself from potential scummates.

I was just making it slowly and I posted it without reading what happenned between.
During the time I made it, He already post a big analyse of the settings. That's all.

[Fielzanks]

NGL, skimmed last 3 pages like a rebel

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

@Fielzanks What's your view on Lenneth and David?

Half an hour after you made your long setup analysis post, Lenneth made his own little wallpost where he literally "reacted" to the game's scum roles. It looked very much like someone trying to fit in and landed him FoS when I read it. His reads have been okay but I don't remember anything really original. Have u noticed anything?

Also, about David. I may be misremembering, but I'm fairly certain he was the first to comment on MM's scumminess before even Aamirus, at a time when everyone was focused on Rumox. In context it was quite a new read and not the sort of thing a newbie would have posted if he was looking to make posts to fit in.

His next major read (on Mag) also came at a period when, at the most, you'd made an offhand comment or two about how you find Mag weird.

My point is, both of his first reads were insightful AND original, which doesn't strike me as a neutral trying to blend into the background. At worst I can see them as strategically placed reads distancing himself from potential scummates.

I feel like you're spot on on David actually. He's kind of copying certain trends because he want to fit in (as a player, not scum etc, just because he's new and tries to do the right thing, which is good) but his input on both of them were fresh. His comments on Magoroth definitely surprised me. I'm kind of sad he hasn't been active even though he was lurking but hey, that's his first game. Plus it's a very talkative one so that must also be harder for him than most of us who are accustomed to it.

Lenneth looked to me like he was sheeping MM for a while; and then heavily agreed with me on certain point. Is it buddying, is it agenda I don't know, but he could very well take the 3rd mafia spot that I cannot link. Unfortunately, nothing he has said or done can push in that direction, as he also pointed insightful things. I'll reread his posts to see if I find anything suspicious, but as of now he's neutral. He's been helpful to town and gave good information, but I don't recall him pushing someone either, he always has been on the edge of the conflict, even when he took a stance with me against rumox (thanks for the support tho ♥). He brings up the fact that he put MM to L-2 and refuse to do so now, can be Alignment Indicative.

[yzb25]

I was just making it slowly and I posted it without reading what happenned between.
During the time I made it, He already post a big analyse of the settings. That's all.

Even then, it felt very much like you were trying to follow the status quo of vapid setup discussion. I don't recall a single point in this game where you've pushed back against the flow of the game. If you have, feel free to redirect me.

[Fielzanks]

I was just making it slowly and I posted it without reading what happenned between.
During the time I made it, He already post a big analyse of the settings. That's all.

Put MM at L-1. Do it.

[Lenneth]

Even then, it felt very much like you were trying to follow the status quo of vapid setup discussion. I don't recall a single point in this game where you've pushed back against the flow of the game. If you have, feel free to redirect me.

What about right now? by refusing to vote MM?
Or when a lot of people wanted to lynch rumox and I townreaded him?

[Lenneth]

Put MM at L-1. Do it.

I will gladly do it 2 hours before the end of the game, I stand to what I said, I will let him a chance to be connected before he got lynch.

[yzb25]

I feel like you're spot on on David actually. He's kind of copying certain trends because he want to fit in (as a player, not scum etc, just because he's new and tries to do the right thing, which is good) but his input on both of them were fresh. His comments on Magoroth definitely surprised me. I'm kind of sad he hasn't been active even though he was lurking but hey, that's his first game. Plus it's a very talkative one so that must also be harder for him than most of us who are accustomed to it.

Lenneth looked to me like he was sheeping MM for a while; and then heavily agreed with me on certain point. Is it buddying, is it agenda I don't know, but he could very well take the 3rd mafia spot that I cannot link. Unfortunately, nothing he has said or done can push in that direction, as he also pointed insightful things. I'll reread his posts to see if I find anything suspicious, but as of now he's neutral. He's been helpful to town and gave good information, but I don't recall him pushing someone either, he always has been on the edge of the conflict, even when he took a stance with me against rumox (thanks for the support tho ♥). He brings up the fact that he put MM to L-2 and refuse to do so now, can be Alignment Indicative.

If I'm not mistaken, he claimed citizen at the start but was then immediately chastised for it (time seems to have forgotten). I have a feeling getting shot down like that combined with the sheer quantity of posts this game has put the newbie in a state where he's lost in a thousand thoughts and not sure where to commit.

This is going to sound dickish, but honestly I've only been half reading Mag for the last 20 or so pages. The misinformation and confusion he's perpetuated has literally made me feel less informed after reading his posts. It wasn't a conscious decision I made, just something I'm noticing upon self reflection. I'm bringing this up because lots of Lenneth's interactions were with Mag, and I have a feeling that's where some of his best were, too.

[Lenneth]

If I'm not mistaken, he claimed citizen at the start but was then immediately chastised for it (time seems to have forgotten). I have a feeling getting shot down like that combined with the sheer quantity of posts this game has put the newbie in a state where he's lost in a thousand thoughts and not sure where to commit.

This is going to sound dickish, but honestly I've only been half reading Mag for the last 20 or so pages. The misinformation and confusion he's perpetuated has literally made me feel less informed after reading his posts. It wasn't a conscious decision I made, just something I'm noticing upon self reflection. I'm bringing this up because lots of Lenneth's interactions were with Mag, and I have a feeling that's where some of his best were, too.

Mag is confusing af since the beginning, that's why a lot of people scumread him.
I am not sure if your last sentence is actualy good for me or not

[yzb25]

What about right now? by refusing to vote MM?
Or when a lot of people wanted to lynch rumox and I townreaded him?

That's not sufficient for me, honestly.

[yzb25]

Mag is confusing af since the beginning, that's why a lot of people scumread him.
I am not sure if your last sentence is actualy good for me or not

Depends how those interactions look upon rereading this game tomorrow =P

[Lenneth]

That's not sufficient for me, honestly.

Hey, that's not like I will suddenly play against what I usualy think. I can't do more sorry :')

[Fielzanks]

Hey, that's not like I will suddenly play against what I usualy think. I can't do more sorry :')

If we lynch rumox and he flips town, what will you think during the 24h of nighttime?
Same question for MM

[yzb25]

Honestly, I think there's a good chance Rumox flips serial killer. His "play" makes the most sense if you know you don't owe anyone anything and are playing purely for yourself. But I may be projecting. As I said, he seems to have some Fancy Play Syndrome, so I wouldn't clutch my pearls if he turned out to be mafia or even town. He also hasn't pushed much of an agenda this game and his play has been largely self-interested.

[Fielzanks]

@TheGodDavid
Can you do an updated list of reads based on what you have seen so far? Don't be shy about it, just do it. We won't eat you for your opinions lol

[Lenneth]

If we lynch rumox and he flips town, what will you think during the 24h of nighttime?
Same question for MM

That my first feeling about him being a shitizen was right, but except that, he did nothing else to help town and he really shouldn't have backpedaled his claim.
I will probably try to check who was against him, but I am afraid that that won't be really usefull, people have actualy good reasons for lynching him and good reasons for protecting him.

[Lenneth]

If we lynch rumox and he flips town, what will you think during the 24h of nighttime?
Same question for MM

what about you?

[Fielzanks]

@Magoroth If you don't jail me tonight I'll lynch you tomorrow without an exception believe me

[Lenneth]

Honestly, I think there's a good chance Rumox flips serial killer. His "play" makes the most sense if you know you don't owe anyone anything and are playing purely for yourself. But I may be projecting. As I said, he seems to have some Fancy Play Syndrome, so I wouldn't clutch my pearls if he turned out to be mafia or even town. He also hasn't pushed much of an agenda this game and his play has been largely self-interested.

So basickly, you are saying he can me anything
One thing is pretty sure, he is not helping us.

[naz]

Honestly, I think there's a good chance Rumox flips serial killer. His "play" makes the most sense if you know you don't owe anyone anything and are playing purely for yourself. But I may be projecting. As I said, he seems to have some Fancy Play Syndrome, so I wouldn't clutch my pearls if he turned out to be mafia or even town. He also hasn't pushed much of an agenda this game and his play has been largely self-interested.

Ooooooooooofuck. Didn't consider him as nk, will not rule that out now. Good point.

[Fielzanks]

what about you?

If rumox flips town, it'll throw heavy shade at me, naz, MM and blink. As I'm town and I strongly believe naz to also be town; I'll look further into the both of them, with a better chance of finding blink as scum.
If MM flips town, then I was right about rumox/mag and I'll push to their death each day that god will bless me with.

[yzb25]

So basickly, you are saying he can me anything
One thing is pretty sure, he is not helping us.

I'd write a post with a more confident SK read, but players like you give me pause bro :P

[Lenneth]

If rumox flips town, it'll throw heavy shade at me, naz, MM and blink. As I'm town and I strongly believe naz to also be town; I'll look further into the both of them, with a better chance of finding blink as scum.
If MM flips town, then I was right about rumox/mag and I'll push to their death each day that god will bless me with.

Lol, you are definitely more extreme than me !
Can you explain why you was right about rumox/mag if MM flips town?

[Ganelon]

@Magoroth If you don't jail me tonight I'll lynch you tomorrow without an exception believe me

Lol in that case we'll have two dead scum (MM and blink) and one dead town.

[Lenneth]

I'd write a post with a more confident SK read, but players like you give me pause bro :P

What kind of post about the SK you want to do?

[Ganelon]

What kind of post about the SK you want to do?

Psst! Lenneth!
Let me pocket you!

[Fielzanks]

Lol, you are definitely more extreme than me !
Can you explain why you was right about rumox/mag if MM flips town?

Because, while they are not the one who pushed a MM lynch the most (well Mag can be tied as the most) they definitely profit the most from it, putting shade on him for them to be out of the spotlight, which is kinda confirming the current read I have on them. You'll also note magoroth refusing to jail me, as if he was afraid he could not prove his role to me.

[Lenneth]

Because, while they are not the one who pushed a MM lynch the most (well Mag can be tied as the most) they definitely profit the most from it, putting shade on him for them to be out of the spotlight, which is kinda confirming the current read I have on them. You'll also note magoroth refusing to jail me, as if he was afraid he could not prove his role to me.

Yup, I noticed.

[Lenneth]

Psst! Lenneth!
Let me pocket you!

In which way? :')

[blinkskater]

Lol in that case we'll have two dead scum (MM and blink) and one dead town.

You also wont get a single word from me in jail so you need to really think about what you say you are going to do

[yzb25]

I don't like this jailor claim. It reeks of desperation as much as when he clearly lied about "faking the flipflop to reaction test". Furthermore, the jailor claim is even less "provable" than the sleeper claim. There's even more ways for mag to blag his way out of it (jailing a scum, or claiming to have jailed a shady town/neutral and then when the shady town/neutral denies it he can get all uppity about it). The latter case may still get him killed, but it'd be an excellent way to "semi confirm" a scumbuddy in the process, or throw shade on a shady town now that I've suggested this idea. Either way, he's getting an extra night to use his potential scum ability.

I really don't like it at all. At this point, we could end up with 10 people claiming TPR when we try to put them on the chopping block. Even Rumox did some BS "hey just because I disclaimed sleeper doesn't mean I'm citi" earlier.

[yzb25]

At first MM was my first pick because of the TPR claim from Mag, but I'm being shortsighted. MM is probably claiming TPR when he gets back anyway which will put me at square 1.

-vote Magoroth

New intent to lynch.

[Ganelon]

At first MM was my first pick because of the TPR claim from Mag, but I'm being shortsighted. MM is probably claiming TPR when he gets back anyway which will put me at square 1.

-vote Magoroth

New intent to lynch.

And you want to Lynch me for flip-flopping, is that it?

[Fielzanks]

At first MM was my first pick because of the TPR claim from Mag, but I'm being shortsighted. MM is probably claiming TPR when he gets back anyway which will put me at square 1.

-vote Magoroth

New intent to lynch.

I can't really explain my thought without looking like I have an agenda and lining up lynches, but I'm sure we can dispose of him tomorrow if he's not jailing me(But this lynch today still make sense)

[yzb25]

And you want to Lynch me for flip-flopping, is that it?

Don't act like I pulled this out my ass. You and MM have been my top two picks this whole time.