S-FM 179: Cop Out

[Sen]

Indeed, it was a pretty fun game until that. (:

[Sen]

-vote RLVG

Whatever ends this quicker, since everyone seems to have exhausted discussion topics.

[RLVG]

You know what, lets go another direction.

-vote RLVG

Ill make TDL self target.
We got this.

Don't forget that we have to actually trust you.

I can't kill, so going for a Thief lynch is better.
If GF is the Doctor, just have him visit me if you end up mislynching a Town.

[Firebringer]

Finally have a Toothless day 4 pic.

[Damus_Graves]

Voting TDL ends the game quicker.

[Damus_Graves]

Wait. That's a lie.

-vote rlvg

Senpai finally noticed you

[RLVG]

Wait. That's a lie.

-vote rlvg

Senpai finally noticed you

Yes, it's faster to vote me.

It causes Firebringer to be Pro-Town.

However, the Thief who's among Gamefreak, TheDarkestLight and Damus_Graves will not be found with true accuracy, allowing Firebringer to be killed and we're in a WIFOM-filled situation in which GF, TDL or Damus has to be voted. LYLO. There's also MYLO on No Kill.

I myself can't kill.

[RLVG]

Anyway, there's no chance I'll be able to win regardless of what scenario.

-CONCEDE

[GameFreak]

Cool

[GameFreak]

[Vote]Rlvg[/unvote]

My action doenst matter, fire make damus and tdl hit probably tdl.

Im just gonna say the personal insults started far before this day, and i was sad to see it. We all play a persona.

[GameFreak]

-vote Rlvg

[Calix]

It is now 5 O'Clock

RLVG was lynched. He was a Banker.

TheDarkestLight was killed last night. He was a Drug Dealer.

The Town and Corrupt Police have won.

Players	Roles
TheDarkestLight Titus Firebringer SuperJack Sen GameFreak Damus_Graves Toadette ThePaladin Frog RLVG DarknessB NoctiZ	Drug Dealer Counterfeiter Traffic Warden Constable Reporter Unlicensed Doctor Student Customer Customer Customer Banker Spree Killer Lost Customer

Broadcasts
Setup
1 O'Clock News
2 O'Clock News
3 O'Clock News
4 O'Clock News
5 O'Clock News

In lieu of host thoughts, I will leave these questions for you to answer if you so wish:

- What did you think of the role list?
- What could the host work on in regards to managing the game?
- Which player/s do you think had the most impact on the game?
- Which player/s would you consider worthy of the 'MVP' title?
- Did you enjoy the game? If not, how could I have worked to fix this?
- Any other thoughts on the game?

Dead chat
Day 2 chat
Day 3 chat
Day 4 chat

[Cryptonic]

10/10 dead chat

[Toadette]

10/10 dead chat

not even close cyptoni never say that towards me aagin.

[Sen]

- What did you think of the role list?

My only complain about the roles would be the completelly random actions of some, but I liked them overall.

- What could the host work on in regards to managing the game?

I think that second modkill could've happened earlier, but other than that it was perfect.

- Which player/s do you think had the most impact on the game?

Firebringer. He caused the Cops to be outed by d2, and up until the last moment, I wasn't sure if he had been truthful about his actions, or what he was gonna do next.

- Which player/s would you consider worthy of the 'MVP' title?

I think SuperJack's claim came at a perfect time. He also directed the lynch of the Spree Killer who might've been turned the tables the night after had he survived.

- Did you enjoy the game? If not, how could I have worked to fix this?

Loved it until that point that has been mentioned. I don't think you could've forecasted that, and the only think that could've been done would've been to modkill once the insults started.

- Any other thoughts on the game?

Nope. Thanks to you and the players for making a fun game. (:
gg.
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[Toadette]

Calix is a pro host and did a mighty fine job. 11/10

I think the Fire briner effect of pegging the not intended other faction scum through flawed and incorrect logic will need one more example (here and Mafia Wars so far) before I'm a full believer.

[Toadette]

Actually here's my two cents

Paladin and Darkness lynches were both policy lynches. There wasn't much scummy about them

Noc was modkilled

Frog's modkill led to RLVG being lynched instead of Frog

Fire's role led to TDL not having anywhere to go

Nobody deserves MVP this game. Town won by luck through flawed logic, and lucky hits. I myself had bad reads all game but I wasn't alone. I was scum read for pre-flip associations with just about everyone, and for having a controversial opinion.

So GG, but in the end nobody really played well lol. Except TDL who survived an extra night cleverly.

-vote Nobody

[Firebringer]

Calix is a pro host and did a mighty fine job. 11/10

I think the Fire briner effect of pegging the not intended other faction scum through flawed and incorrect logic will need one more example (here and Mafia Wars so far) before I'm a full believer.

I like the term "firebringer effect" it goes to show you, you don't need the best reasoning to find scum. Cause happy coincidences can happen all the time!!!

[Firebringer]

Actually here's my two cents

Paladin and Darkness lynches were both policy lynches. There wasn't much scummy about them

Noc was modkilled

Frog's modkill led to RLVG being lynched instead of Frog

Fire's role led to TDL not having anywhere to go

Nobody deserves MVP this game. Town won by luck through flawed logic, and lucky hits. I myself had bad reads all game but I wasn't alone. I was scum read for pre-flip associations with just about everyone, and for having a controversial opinion.

So GG, but in the end nobody really played well lol. Except TDL who survived an extra night cleverly.

-vote Nobody

Paladin I sorta agree on, for most part I was town reading him till I joined that bandwagon off nitpicking posts.
Darkness however, was being pretty scummy with fence sitting and being opportunistic with pushes.

Two modkills of players however meant this game was heavily shifted by those kills, and would be a different game without it.

Town didn't really win with skills but with PoE and role mechanics.
I mean my role itself outed all the scum faction (not really noctiz, faulty logic got him), Titus through making her do a kill on Toadette. Then TDL kill on himself.

But MVP goes to:

-vote TheDarkestLight

I think we wouldn't have found him if my role wasn't so OP, I was never scumreading him hard, I think he hid pretty well.

[Firebringer]

My play this game was utterly horrible though. I am suprised everyone thought I was lying all game about my actions. I mean, I technically lied about my guilty on Noctiz, but I honestly thought my role interactions with him implicated him.

However apparently no one was night immune [Big time fail on my part not reading setup, Calix is still laughing about that]
And neither of the two I forced onto him were scum. [Everything Toadette did was pretty sure she would do as town or scum, nothing to town read for]

Yeah...

[Firebringer]

Also before I forget, thanks host for hosting.
Enjoyed your game.

Next time, night immune neutrals pls? Kthx.

Also, give me that OP role again <3

[SuperJack]

Great game, loved it <3

[Toadette]

Paladin I sorta agree on, for most part I was town reading him till I joined that bandwagon off nitpicking posts.
Darkness however, was being pretty scummy with fence sitting and being opportunistic with pushes.

Two modkills of players however meant this game was heavily shifted by those kills, and would be a different game without it.

Town didn't really win with skills but with PoE and role mechanics.
I mean my role itself outed all the scum faction (not really noctiz, faulty logic got him), Titus through making her do a kill on Toadette. Then TDL kill on himself.

But MVP goes to:

-vote TheDarkestLight

I think we wouldn't have found him if my role wasn't so OP, I was never scumreading him hard, I think he hid pretty well.

Spot on. Mechanical deduction instead of reads is what tilted it in towns favor.

[SuperJack]

Sorry Toadette <3

[Calix]

I'll freely admit that including a Super-Witch who could confirm themselves and had no scum counter was a terrible move in terms of balance. I think my rationale at the time of making the setup was something stupid like "Witch is generally a powerful role for scum, so if I make it town-aligned, that automatically makes it negative-utility!"

Student was just a Troll Citizen with a small chance at self-confirmation. I'd probably edit that so that the actions cycle between heal, frame, roleblock, investigate, etc so that the Student knows what they are doing each night.

[Sen]

Everyone's talking like I wasn't on Titus way before she was "confirmed" scum.

We're lynching SuperJack. Deal with it.

Wanna bet? (:
I'm lynching you. There's no way out of it.

That said, it's true that at some point it turned into people simply voting according to night actions, and the discussion died at that point.

[Sen]

-vote SuperJack

Just so it's easier to count.

[Firebringer]

Everyone's talking like I wasn't on Titus way before she was "confirmed" scum.



That said, it's true that at some point it turned into people simply voting according to night actions, and the discussion died at that point.

I really think Titus scumminess came out D2, before I even got a guilty on her, she was going heavy push on a Corrupt Cops on horrible logic and reasoning and multiple people called her out on it.

[Toadette]

I really think Titus scumminess came out D2, before I even got a guilty on her, she was going heavy push on a Corrupt Cops on horrible logic and reasoning and multiple people called her out on it.

Holding an opinion is not scummy. I had the same idea. Refusing to discuss other options is scummy, but just the unpopular idea was not scummy itself.

[Sen]

Liek Firebringer said, the logic behind it was terrible, as well as other things. It's not "you are scum because your opinion is bad", it's "you are scum because you are trying to push an anti-Town agenda excused by a terrible logic, you've been super friendly, and have been sheeping votes and opinions all day long".

[Firebringer]

Holding an opinion is not scummy. I had the same idea. Refusing to discuss other options is scummy, but just the unpopular idea was not scummy itself.

It was an extreme anti town idea, that was being pressured instead of scumhunting for the actual anti town players. This was like Austin Powers in PM, who put out a insane idea, but you could still see his motivation in the long run being for town because he was still trying to scum hunt.

Titus was clearly only interested in a CP lynch, which wasn't town motivated.

[Firebringer]

Liek Firebringer said, the logic behind it was terrible, as well as other things. It's not "you are scum because your opinion is bad", it's "you are scum because you are trying to push an anti-Town agenda excused by a terrible logic, you've been super friendly, and have been sheeping votes and opinions all day long".

Not to mention the 180 flip on almost all her reads.
She said earlier in the day X, Y, Z, and me are going to break this game with best town block ever.

Then later that day, she flips it on a few of them calling them scum. You can't do that 180 without some sort of progression in your thought, the only progresion was "These guys aren't agreeing with me, I have to push them too now"

[Sen]

Agreed. I was like her super town-block buddy all day long, and 10 minutes later I was scum because I called her out, and she did the ame with anyone who disagreed with her mislynch attempt.

[RLVG]

Lol, I knew TDL were the last remaining Thief.

[Sen]

I still want to know what happened with that coin. Did TDL target NoctiZ? Did he not send a coin action that night?

[Calix]

I still want to know what happened with that coin. Did TDL target NoctiZ? Did he not send a coin action that night?

If I'm recalling the right incident, TDL drugged and stole a coin from the same player (Firebringer)

When TDL didn't drug Firebringer N2, Firebringer received the correct coin total.

[RLVG]

N1 :

Action #1 :
- Target Damus_Graves
- Target Titus



Last Will #1 :

Spoiler : Last Will #1 :

FUCK YOU ALL, YOU SHALL NOT SURVIVE WITH ME DEAD

BECAUSE NOW YOU ARE FORCED TO ENTER COMMUNISM

FEAR MY DEATH, AS CAPITALISM IS SLOWLY EXPUNGED

I AM THE FOUNDATION BRICK OF TRUE COMMUNISM!!!!!!!!

~ RLVG, Majestic God of No Fucks Given since 2016

N2

- Target SuperJack
- Target Titus

N3

- Target Sen
- Target Gamefreak

[NoctiZ]

Paladin I sorta agree on, for most part I was town reading him till I joined that bandwagon off nitpicking posts.
Darkness however, was being pretty scummy with fence sitting and being opportunistic with pushes.

Two modkills of players however meant this game was heavily shifted by those kills, and would be a different game without it.

Town didn't really win with skills but with PoE and role mechanics.
I mean my role itself outed all the scum faction (not really noctiz, faulty logic got him), Titus through making her do a kill on Toadette. Then TDL kill on himself.

But MVP goes to:

-vote TheDarkestLight

I think we wouldn't have found him if my role wasn't so OP, I was never scumreading him hard, I think he hid pretty well.

Faulty logic? Whut

[Sen]

If I'm recalling the right incident, TDL drugged and stole a coin from the same player (Firebringer)

When TDL didn't drug Firebringer N2, Firebringer received the correct coin total.

Oh, so that's why Firebringer didn't have feedback for his stolen coin. Makes sense.

[Firebringer]

You never even gave me a coin RLVG, didn't you know how poor I was?

[RLVG]

You never even gave me a coin RLVG, didn't you know how poor I was?

What, you're above 12? Should've signed that small loan of 1,000,000$. /S

[GameFreak]

All i can say about this game is that the hypocrisy i read everywhere is disgusting.
You all condemn frog, and i won't say his behaviour is justified.
But he wasn't the first to start throwing insults and he won't be the last.
It happens in every game i've been in now. Most of you do it.
It's fucking ridiculous how it seeps into every game, for as simple as somebody disagreeing with you.
This forum has deteriorated alot.

[RLVG]

I'm one of those that are more lax about insults and I am more than likely to appologize if any of my jokes end up insulting anyone.

[Firebringer]

All i can say about this game is that the hypocrisy i read everywhere is disgusting.
You all condemn frog, and i won't say his behaviour is justified.
But he wasn't the first to start throwing insults and he won't be the last.
It happens in every game i've been in now. Most of you do it.
It's fucking ridiculous how it seeps into every game, for as simple as somebody disagreeing with you.
This forum has deteriorated alot.

Your pretty much right, I am pretty guilty of it too.

[Toadette]

All i can say about this game is that the hypocrisy i read everywhere is disgusting.
You all condemn frog, and i won't say his behaviour is justified.
But he wasn't the first to start throwing insults and he won't be the last.
It happens in every game i've been in now. Most of you do it.
It's fucking ridiculous how it seeps into every game, for as simple as somebody disagreeing with you.
This forum has deteriorated alot.

Playful banter with Fire is not the same as someone losing their shit completely. Not equivalent.

[Damus_Graves]

I've been working on it

[Frog]

I'm the MVP.

I don't really care who disagrees. It's pretty much a fact.

If you benefitted in learning how to play with me in your game, pay homage now.

I also nominate myself for LVP.

[Frog]

Again, if anyone can find any fault in my plan, then I'm banished.

Otherwise, pay your fucking respects where it's due.

Who found the reporter and his targets N1?

Who mechanically proved Gamefreak and Toadette were town?

Who gave you a strictly dominant town victory strategy?

This was child's play.

[Frog]

I've decided to stay to improve our player base.

I'll be giving lessons and tips to anyone who requests.

[Frog]

If I haven't reached out to you and personally apologized, reach out to me and we can discuss basic strategy.

@Sen

I'm sending you a private message.