S-FM 57: Bastardized Game Thread

[Nazzhoul]

S-FM BASTARDIZED

Day 0

There is no lynch today! Day may be skipped with a majority vote, once everyone has posted. Otherwise, day will end at this time:

8:00 PM EST January 27

You must post at least twice a day, vote at least once, and send in a night action each night or risk being modkilled! You will receive ONE warning.

The Setup

Player list:
1. clementine
2. TheDarkestLight
3. Mintberry Crunch
4. Jr4life24
5. RLVG
6. Fatalis
7. Espozito
8. The Nightbringer
9. Crimson
10. Nick
11. Damus_Graves
12. Creedkingsx
13. AppleyNO

Good luck, everybody, and have fun!

7 votes to hammer.

[Nazzhoul]

First.

[AppleyNO]

Hello everyone.

[The Nightbringer]

Hello Appley.

So, just to clarify, I am Yayap for anyone wondering.

[AppleyNO]

Hello Appley.

So, just to clarify, I am Yayap for anyone wondering.

We have a Yayap. Otherwise known as we are fucked.

[The Nightbringer]

We have a Yayap. Otherwise known as we are fucked.

Wait! I found scum already!

Appley says that "we" are f'ed meaning that he and his team stand no chance against me. Appley must therefor be scum.

-vote AppleyNO

[clementine]

I suggest an eye be kept upon AppleyNO.

AppleyNO is pretty solidly town based on meta. I won't elaborate because it would break the meta.

Wait! I found scum already!

Appley says that "we" are f'ed meaning that he and his team stand no chance against me. Appley must therefor be scum.

-vote AppleyNO

Yayap knows that he and Appley are on different teams. I know Appley is like 95% town, therefore Yayap must not be town.

[The Nightbringer]

This shall be my second post so that I don't get modkilled.

[The Nightbringer]

GM wants us to vote each day as well... soo.

-vote Nazzhoul

For delaying the start of the game by 30 mins. Obviously not a punctual host.

[Jim]

-vote The Nightbringer

Cus GM told me to.

[Jim]

OOO being modkilled is not fub at all.

[The Nightbringer]

Wait! GM also said that there is no lynch today!

-unvote

[Damus_Graves]

Interesting.

Well as anyone here might know or might not. I am Damus_Graves, Town Leader extraordinaire. I will not be Leading the town today as I have a different style of play I hope to play out. I am experimenting so forgive me if I make a few blunders. Every good strategy has to be ironed out over the course of a few battles after all. Also I am currently in the working for a MMORPG Clan RP event in which I am in attendance. So I will be off and on on this game thread today.

Best of luck to all involved and I would like to point out this one inscrutable fact:
Today must not be skipped.

Today is an important function in Town PR night actions and skipping shall only help the scum. I suggest keeping a close watch on the people who agree all to readily with me.
Another helpful hint to watch out for:
In this high PR game the scum will most likely be more active in their postings while blending towards the current town leaders.

I shall be back soon I promise.

-vote AppleyNO

-unvote

[Fatalis]

Interesting.

Well as anyone here might know or might not. I am Damus_Graves, Town Leader extraordinaire. I will not be Leading the town today as I have a different style of play I hope to play out. I am experimenting so forgive me if I make a few blunders. Every good strategy has to be ironed out over the course of a few battles after all. Also I am currently in the working for a MMORPG Clan RP event in which I am in attendance. So I will be off and on on this game thread today.

Best of luck to all involved and I would like to point out this one inscrutable fact:
Today must not be skipped.

Today is an important function in Town PR night actions and skipping shall only help the scum. I suggest keeping a close watch on the people who agree all to readily with me.
Another helpful hint to watch out for:
In this high PR game the scum will most likely be more active in their postings while blending towards the current town leaders.

I shall be back soon I promise.

-vote AppleyNO

-unvote

Thy internet doesn't care if your parents are being murdered by a maniac and you have to scare the shit out of him with our ****
Thy internet only care that you are not active, possibly using an excuse for lurking

An interesting Idea Clem. I would support it but only if you had detailed it a bit more in depth. It seems rather bare at the present read. Would you like to discuss with me the merits of your plan?
As of now I only see the benefit of deducing your own correct role, for each player, and yet that leaves us with very little to work with.
I would amend your idea with this by-line:

Use your night action on your biggest scum-read (Excluding Vigilante and Veteran and even then maybe not exclude Veteran)

I don't like the tone of this post, it seems really sheepish and sounds like a scum trying to be protown. The idea of using your night action on your biggest scum-read is purely stupid as doc's and lookouts targeting scummy player would be wasting actions.

Interesting, creed is attempting to use Meta to find scum or is scum trying to spread scummyness to hide behind those he claims. However his votes on the claims could be a town tell however they are equally a scum tell as he would know that there is no lynch today and so his vote is superfluous and an attempt to blend.

Your reaction is strange. As I recall you are the one who oftenly points out scum suspects day 1 in a confident manner.And saying someone's act is a town tell and then at the same time a scum tell is basically an act trying to be pro=town. Doesn't help us by much.

I was refer to Investigative/Killing roles if that was unclear.
Did I have to spell that out?
Maybe I was just trying to get a Doctor to heal me when a Vigilante shoots me for no apparent reason.

I do not understand this post at all

Interesting.
What do you think that we should do about the Citizen who might have gotten the Vigilante rolecard? The Sheriff rolecard?

Also for the Lookout plan:
I vote that the Lookout, if there is one, should target the player: Clem or Damus_Graves.

The first part of this post is actually acting pretty sheepish IMO.
And there is absolutely no good reason to be directing Lookouts day1. Wifom or not.

Very interesting.
I await your response.

I suggest an eye be kept upon AppleyNO.

Creed also seems odd this game but I believe I am just expecting a bit much more substance and usefulness from him than I should.

Saying things like this is useless without sufficient reasoning, and gives no point. Reads should be given with good reasoning so that it may benefit the town.





And that is why I think Damus is scummy

[Damus_Graves]

Thy internet doesn't care if your parents are being murdered by a maniac and you have to scare the shit out of him with our ****
Thy internet only care that you are not active, possibly using an excuse for lurking

Stating that I shall be less act for X reason as my first post in pro town. IMO.

I don't like the tone of this post, it seems really sheepish and sounds like a scum trying to be protown. The idea of using your night action on your biggest scum-read is purely stupid as doc's and lookouts targeting scummy player would be wasting actions.

It was a draw for response and therefore reads on Clem.

Your reaction is strange. As I recall you are the one who oftenly points out scum suspects day 1 in a confident manner.And saying someone's act is a town tell and then at the same time a scum tell is basically an act trying to be pro=town. Doesn't help us by much.

Creed does not play like me. Yet he is trying to do so now. Doesn;t that strike you as odd?

I do not understand this post at all

Think harder

The first part of this post is actually acting pretty sheepish IMO.
And there is absolutely no good reason to be directing Lookouts day1. Wifom or not.

She asked for questions and would then answer them. Redefine your opinion on Sheep.
WIFOM is useful on day one. You newbs just can't see it.


Saying things like this is useless without sufficient reasoning, and gives no point. Reads should be given with good reasoning so that it may benefit the town.

Its day one and everyone has posted under 10-15 times. What do you expect? A novel?



And that is why I think Damus is scummy

Redefine your opinion on scummy

[Fatalis]

Redefine your opinion on scummy

First off, I don't care if you are trying some new playstyle, playing seriously,WIFOMing a different playstyle to slip under the radar, or being drunk while playing. Regardless of meta, what is most important is how you play right now.

It's not a draw for response and therefore since you didn't seem to follow up with reads

Creed actually does quite sometimes, and having played in a similar manner to that means that you should more or less understand his motivations.

...

Yes I do expect a novel

[Damus_Graves]

First off, I don't care if you are trying some new playstyle, playing seriously,WIFOMing a different playstyle to slip under the radar, or being drunk while playing. Regardless of meta, what is most important is how you play right now.

It's not a draw for response and therefore since you didn't seem to follow up with reads

Creed actually does quite sometimes, and having played in a similar manner to that means that you should more or less understand his motivations.

...

Yes I do expect a novel

Interesting.
Alright here we go.

1st off. Lose your high horse. You are in no position to aggressively attack me and demean my attempts at expanding my reserves of playstyles. You state that whats important is how I am playing right now? Take a second look. A big look. A meaningful look at what I have been saying and go find me a scum slip. Don't launch yourself into this game with the mindset that two other players have found me to be scummy and think that you have any sense about what is going on within my head and my posts. You come out with a fake wall of text describing my posts falsely and think that makes you eligable to question my townness? Try again buddy cause you have done nothing impressive and you have been absolutely and utterly false in your slot on me and your description of my posts.

Sheep?
Useless?

Take another look and lose that bullshit that is coming from your posts. Until you actually do something like contribute to his day chat, like I have, you are a waste of air and my time. Go be a townie and stop being naive moron.

[The Nightbringer]

I request that links to the setup page be included in the OP. I would like to find the rolecards and wutnot quick and easily without having to search for them in the other subforums.

[Nazzhoul]

I request that links to the setup page be included in the OP. I would like to find the rolecards and wutnot quick and easily without having to search for them in the other subforums.

<.<
>.>
I don't know what you're talking about...
(I thought I'd put it there to begin with)

[clementine]

Is anybody else worried about how the Special Mechanics of this game will affect us? It's ok. I've come up with a way to sort through the special mechanics to the best of our abilities. Here is what we should do:

The Baseline Plan
On Night 1, all citizens should make no action. All town power roles (except perhaps Vigilante and Veteran) should choose to take action. This will establish what the town power roles + mafia role night feedback looks like. (This is our 'baseline' that we can compare all subsequent night action feedback to)

On Night 2, all citizens should perform their action on random players. All town power roles (except perhaps Vigilante and Veteran) should choose to take action. Town power roles such as a Viglante or Veteran should either perform their action on both Night 1 and Night 2 or NOT perform their action on both Night 1 and Night 2.

After determining what the "incorrect" role card's feedback is, we can determine something about the incorrect town power role's role card. If the Night 1 feedback has no role blocks (for example) but the Night 2 feedback has a role block, we will know that one citizen is a hidden role blocker. This way, the citizen with the incorrect role card will definitively know his purpose and be able to utilize his role to the best of his ability.


-Also, I'd really like it if we could pair this plan with a Standard Lookout Plan, but that only works if there's no spree killer. Pending the posted PM feedback after the upcoming night (i.e. if it's clear we have an Arsonist and not a spree killer for example), I might suggest it later.

[The Nightbringer]

Is anybody else worried about how the Special Mechanics of this game will affect us? It's ok. I've come up with a way to sort through the special mechanics to the best of our abilities. Here is what we should do:

The Baseline Plan
On Night 1, all citizens should make no action. All town power roles (except perhaps Vigilante and Veteran) should choose to take action. This will establish what the town power roles + mafia role night feedback looks like. (This is our 'baseline' that we can compare all subsequent night action feedback to)

On Night 2, all citizens should perform their action on random players. All town power roles (except perhaps Vigilante and Veteran) should choose to take action. Town power roles such as a Viglante or Veteran should either perform their action on both Night 1 and Night 2 or NOT perform their action on both Night 1 and Night 2.

After determining what the "incorrect" role card's feedback is, we can determine something about the incorrect town power role's role card. If the Night 1 feedback has no role blocks (for example) but the Night 2 feedback has a role block, we will know that one citizen is a hidden role blocker. This way, the citizen with the incorrect role card will definitively know his purpose and be able to utilize his role to the best of his ability.

Pros:
PR that is a cit has possibility of finding out he is a cit d1 and cit can find out d2 if:
- Role is unique in the setup
- No one is roleblocked
- Role gives distinctive feedback (not "you were successful")

Cons:
If any of the top 3 conditions are not met, cit still doesn't know what he is and is wasting nights trying to find out.
If either the PR or Cit dies before they figure it out and inform the town, the other will never know.


My proposals:
Plan A:
If Nick agrees: Since Nick claimed to be vig, how about have both cits target Nick tonight and Nick not shoot? that way the results should be: you did nothing + the missing PRs feedback.

Plan B:
I somehow doubt that Crimson will return to play and will most likely get replaced with Slaol. How about both cits target Crimson/Slaol and Crimson/Slaol does nothing (to get the same results as Plan A)

Pros: It might reward us with faster information on what feedback the cit is. (and the PR would recognize his feedback is on someone who did no action)

Cons:
-If more than one person does nothing, it might spoil the plans. (although if scum do nothing on purpose, then we are in a way roleblocking scum)
-If plans are foiled, its a little late to revert to Clems plan.


I donno... I get the impression that our time table is a little short to be worrying about 1 PR. With 2 scum kpn, towns majority is gonna fall fast.

[AppleyNO]

If Nick agrees: Since Nick claimed to be vig, how about have both cits target Nick tonight and Nick not shoot? that way the results should be: you did nothing + the missing PRs feedback.

Plan B:
I somehow doubt that Crimson will return to play and will most likely get replaced with Slaol. How about both cits target Crimson/Slaol and Crimson/Slaol does nothing (to get the same results as Plan A)

Pros: It might reward us with faster information on what feedback the cit is. (and the PR would recognize his feedback is on someone who did no action)

Cons:
-If more than one person does nothing, it might spoil the plans. (although if scum do nothing on purpose, then we are in a way roleblocking scum)
-If plans are foiled, its a little late to revert to Clems plan.


I donno... I get the impression that our time table is a little short to be worrying about 1 PR. With 2 scum kpn, towns majority is gonna fall fast.

The only risk that your plans have besides the ones you mentioned are what if one of the PRs who got a citizen role card is actually the vigilante O.o

It would be really funny if Nick was a citizen, and the vigilante shot him following plan A.
Plan B relies on Crimson/Slaol not being a citizen.

All in all, your last sentence kinda points out something that has been on my mind. KPN < 1 = Bad for us.

I would recommend a lynch tomorrow if we lose two towns.

[clementine]

-vote Fatalis

Because the way he responds to some pressure will tell me all I need to know about his alignment. I suggest y'all train with me.

[The Nightbringer]

O.o
This host is easier to manipulate than I thought he would be.

Setup clearly said that the theme was: "The host is a lazy asshole."

@Clem: I was thinking about that, let me study the setup to see if there is any disadvantages to doing it.

[creedkingsx]

Yayap is scum.
GG

[creedkingsx]

-vote The Nightbringer

[Damus_Graves]

An interesting Idea Clem. I would support it but only if you had detailed it a bit more in depth. It seems rather bare at the present read. Would you like to discuss with me the merits of your plan?
As of now I only see the benefit of deducing your own correct role, for each player, and yet that leaves us with very little to work with.
I would amend your idea with this by-line:

Use your night action on your biggest scum-read (Excluding Vigilante and Veteran and even then maybe not exclude Veteran)

[clementine]

An interesting Idea Clem. I would support it but only if you had detailed it a bit more in depth. It seems rather bare at the present read. Would you like to discuss with me the merits of your plan?
As of now I only see the benefit of deducing your own correct role, for each player, and yet that leaves us with very little to work with.
I would amend your idea with this by-line:

Use your night action on your biggest scum-read (Excluding Vigilante and Veteran and even then maybe not exclude Veteran)

Why would you want to heal your biggest scum read if you're hypothetically a doctor/bodyguard? Also, forcing people to target their biggest scum read will make it really obvious who has what roles especially for players who are more transparent.

Thanks for trying to seem helpful but not really seeming helpful. If you have any questions about my plan I'd be happy to answer them. Yes, the biggest merit is helping the players with switched role cards figure out their true roles.

[Damus_Graves]

Why would you want to heal your biggest scum read if you're hypothetically a doctor/bodyguard? Also, forcing people to target their biggest scum read will make it really obvious who has what roles especially for players who are more transparent.

Thanks for trying to seem helpful but not really seeming helpful. If you have any questions about my plan I'd be happy to answer them. Yes, the biggest merit is helping the players with switched role cards figure out their true roles.

I was refer to Investigative/Killing roles if that was unclear.
Did I have to spell that out?
Maybe I was just trying to get a Doctor to heal me when a Vigilante shoots me for no apparent reason.

[clementine]

I was refer to Investigative/Killing roles if that was unclear.
Did I have to spell that out?
Maybe I was just trying to get a Doctor to heal me when a Vigilante shoots me for no apparent reason.

To quote the great AppleyNO, "Your playstyle has deteriorated!"

[Damus_Graves]

To quote the great AppleyNO, "Your playstyle has deteriorated!"

Very interesting.
I await your response.

[Damus_Graves]

Why would you want to heal your biggest scum read if you're hypothetically a doctor/bodyguard? Also, forcing people to target their biggest scum read will make it really obvious who has what roles especially for players who are more transparent.

Thanks for trying to seem helpful but not really seeming helpful. If you have any questions about my plan I'd be happy to answer them. Yes, the biggest merit is helping the players with switched role cards figure out their true roles.

Interesting.
What do you think that we should do about the Citizen who might have gotten the Vigilante rolecard? The Sheriff rolecard?

Also for the Lookout plan:
I vote that the Lookout, if there is one, should target the player: Clem or Damus_Graves.

[clementine]

I'm not worried about Fatalis by any means right now. No offense, Fatalis, just a lot of big fish in this game. xD

If Fatalis is town, I need to make sure that kid read the setup this time. :P

Interesting.
What do you think that we should do about the Citizen who might have gotten the Vigilante rolecard? The Sheriff rolecard?

Also for the Lookout plan:
I vote that the Lookout, if there is one, should target the player: Clem or Damus_Graves.

Hmm, fair enough. Maybe you were just really unclear about what you actually meant. (i.e. citizens only or everyone else, too)

[creedkingsx]

Vet should never alert first night.

[creedkingsx]

Scum number 2 found, Damus.

[clementine]

Scum number 2 found, Damus.

I actually agree with you on this. Lol.

[Damus_Graves]

Interesting, creed is attempting to use Meta to find scum or is scum trying to spread scummyness to hide behind those he claims. However his votes on the claims could be a town tell however they are equally a scum tell as he would know that there is no lynch today and so his vote is superfluous and an attempt to blend.

[creedkingsx]

Interesting, creed is attempting to use Meta to find scum or is scum trying to spread scummyness to hide behind those he claims. However his votes on the claims could be a town tell however they are equally a scum tell as he would know that there is no lynch today and so his vote is superfluous and an attempt to blend.

The scumtell on you was more of a joke, not without it's own brownie points, but yayap I am 100% serious about.

[clementine]

But I still want to pressure Fatalis for the moment.

[creedkingsx]

But I still want to pressure Fatalis for the moment.

I'm not worried about Fatalis by any means right now. No offense, Fatalis, just a lot of big fish in this game. xD

[clementine]

I'm not worried about Fatalis by any means right now. No offense, Fatalis, just a lot of big fish in this game. xD

Creed is lurking again. = Creed is scum.

With Yayap and Damus.
ggnore

[Damus_Graves]

Creed is lurking again. = Creed is scum.

With Yayap and Damus.
ggnore

Shall we wait for more people to come and post before trying to make incorrect assumptions? (Regarding myself.)

[Jim]

Reading and posting is boring, I will come back when I notice this gets to page 5.

[Fatalis]

Before I start failing again I should read the entire setup thread
BE RIGHT BACK

[clementine]

Before I start failing again I should read the entire setup thread
BE RIGHT BACK

Ahhhh I'm so proud of you!!!! Fatalis MVP

[Damus_Graves]

I suggest an eye be kept upon AppleyNO.

[Damus_Graves]

Creed also seems odd this game but I believe I am just expecting a bit much more substance and usefulness from him than I should.

[Fatalis]

And why is everyone saying that yayap is scum

[Fatalis]

I actually posted my first post before I read the thread

>.> Screw you guys I'm going home

[The Nightbringer]

With today being no lynch day, getting info will be hard..

So lets see, the initial starting ratio is:

8 town vs 3 mafia vs 1 killer
and 1 neutral Benign that is yet to be determined who he is aligned with.

2 scum kpn vs unknown town kpn.

Worst case scenario is that neutral is a set evil like a witch exe or becomes evil like a student, amnesiac or a survivor joining evils and that we loose 2 town tonight.

Our best hope is that the neutral is a jester since he won't care at all who he kills.

If we loose 2 town tonight, then it would could be 6 town vs 4(5) making tomorrows lynch and every lynch extremely important. Our first priority is to find the neutral killer, since that would reduce the kpn as soon as we can... although this could screw us over if the neutral is amnesiac.

I expect that with all the night feedback being revealed, finding out what roles are in the setup shouldn't take longer than 2 nights.

I was thinking of using the rolecall method but with 2 citizens (one who doesn't even know that he is one) and as well as the poor town ratio, I think that scum could have a field day by killing off the important PRs, so I'm leaning towards not using that strat.

(I turned off notifications of new posts so forgive me if I'm ignoring them all in this post.)