I have two accounts. My plzleaveduck account activation email didnt work rip.
I asked for your reasoning on why I am scum, not to tell me what my like or dislike for your reasoning is. If I am scum build a case against me or stop wasting everyone's time. You resorting back to the K's in my name shows everyone here that you don't even believe your own scum read.
You mentioned me omgus'ing you is scummy, yet I told SP to not follow my vote on you for this very reason. If I am scum, and aware that this is a bad reason to vote someone, how am I scum for doing so? It was more than omgus as well, I pointed out that you have not furthered towns agenda in any way. If you can show me where you have done something to progress the game I will allow you to push a lynch on me.
I can only hope you are scum at this point, because if you are town this is not good play.
Shit I should have known a question asking whad to explain his reads was a bad idea. He left faster than a B... hmm shouldn't go there.
Guess I will head to bed.
I think the lynch should be between eggy/suntax. Suntax is more of a poe, won't even try to read off his one post. I think the scum are within eggy/pure/suntax/maybe mesk if need a fourth, but would not lynch her today.
I would prefer an eggy lynch as his reads are terrible and he has shown no town motivation in his posts. His top two scum reads are myself, and secondpassing who is my top town.
Top 2 scum:
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Suntax- "checking in" style post reads like scum trying to hide and avoid contributing while lurking the way to victory
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Purebe - simply by PoE and not enough info on Stereo/SuperJack yet. He edges out Eggy on my list since I've found more of Eggy's contributions to be helpful/constructive than Purbe who seems to be coasting on interactions with Duckk
Top 2 town:
secondpassing - Great reasoning, driving discussion forward, very solid town in my book
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Unknown - The feeling I get from this player seems more like a scumhunting townie than a scum. Solid insights, and I like how he is trying to bring our attention to lurkers like Stereo and Suntax.
Tbh, after reading the last few pages I'm leaning more towny on Duckk now too. If I trust my Mesk meta then Mesk is town.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
-vote MattZed
Throwing my vote here since I currently dislike this slot the most. Also MattZed is here to produce content that can convince me I'm wrong with my vote.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
lol if you think im scum its actually funny I have decided to have fun this game since it is the last game of the season. I might be a bit trolly so far but i dont know what to tell you. If anything not taking a game seriously is town indicative on this site. have a good day sir
I'm less here than you would believe. Just replaced in because Frog PM'ing me triggered an e-mail. I'm busy until later tonight.
No idea what you have against the FM god that is Suntax. Surely he couldn't have messed things up so much that you're going to hard scumread someone who needed a replacement.
which is always a good thing. We need to seize the means of production, power to the prolitariats
anyone else touch themselves while reading the communist manifesto?
Just checked. Suntax made a SINGLE post this entire game. You can't find a scumread more worthy than someone who made literally a single post?
He's your top suspect because you feel he made a "check in" post that suggests he's going to hide. But then he gets replaced out, thus showing he's not actively lurking, and you still scumread his slot? The exact reason you scumread him goes away, but your opinion on the slot doesn't change? I don't buy it.
-vote Whad
Make some real reads plox.
Why must someone feel "rusty" if they are Town?
There are two ways to play:
1.) Town can play whatever way they want to play the game. No need or way to be "rusty" at town.
2.) Scum have to survive, which means ultimately playing tiwnier than most. If you are new and cannot do this, what is that called to you? Rust?
My point is, the entire post is him making excuses for himself to excuse any 'errors' that he would make in the future.
He's a long-time player who hasn't been around in months. That's almost the definition of rusty.
Suntax is not a new player.
And to answer your question, no, no one would call a bad new player "rusty." Rusty very plainly means you used to have some skill or talent and lost it from misuse. You're either simply not aware of what the word "rusty" means, or you're intentionally making a shitty case.
Characterizing a two-sentence introductory post as being "full of excuses" is a misrep.
-vote Unknown1234
Most of your attack is based on me calling him new (which I corrected btw). That isn't the point of what I'm saying.
I don't see people do that. Ever. Why? Because it makes no sense to go on about you not playing in a long time and that you will make mistakes. "Rusty" is not a town word because it acts as if you have a standard you must be reaching and that you don't think you will. That is almost the same as a scum saying "I am not going to do well this game so keep it in mind." You seem to be overtly aggressive about this.
I told you three times where he makes excuses. This is not a misrepresentation.
1.) Rusty is not how Town addresses themselves. It's not.
2.) The post says that they won't be around, which is not the point of signing for a game if you can't be around.
3.) Closes discussion and has them covering anything that doesn't make sense as "being rusty". Anything that could seem opportunistic or sketchy is classified as "rust". Not promising.
That being said, nice deflection towards myself and Whad for not agreeing with you. Let's see how the rest goes.
If you want to be arguing about a word the entire game, you are on a good start. I'm not going to drop my point and that is that rust is comparing yourself to some of standards, and saying that you won't reach those standards. There are different ways this word is used Matt.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Like... really? You are suggesting that being scum is a skill one can lose, but town can do whatever they want for their townplay.
I'm not sure you realize how plainly absurd you're being. BEING TOWN IS NOT A NO-SKILL TASK. You can't just sit down at your computer and watch the game go by. You have to read, analyze, find your allies, and convince them to lynch scum. Being strong town requires more skill and attention than being strong scum, and it boggles my mind that you would even suggest town can just faff about and call it a day.
I am really straining to see how a town could make such an openly mistaken argument. It's not OMGUS if I'm voting someone who is voting me for terrible reasons.
The only reason your slot is scummy is by PoE and a "checking in" post that looked particularly blendy.
I thought you had some nuggets a few pages ago, but recent developments are making me feel like I should reread
@Eggy I vote that you play seriously.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
*yawn* I'm still here and making more substantive points than you right now.
Whad, you aren't my beef right now. You, like Unknown, are voting my slot for allegedly strategically lurking, when in reality this couldn't be the case because that player was replaced! It's illogical, but right now Unknown is being worse. It's been a long time since I've felt someone trying to discredit me as hard as he is now. He is acting obsessed over a two-sentence post and is simultaneously trying to paint my argument as being "omg your use of a word is bad" when really I'm pointing out how many holes his argument has, merely one of which is his poor analysis of the word "rusty."
Vote Unknown.
It really puzzles me that you scumread Suntax for a two-sentence post but it takes until now for you to figure out what you really don't like about it.
In context he clearly means that he hasn't been in the GAME mafia in some time. Why would he be so concerned about giving his analysis if he's not town? Scum don't need to analyze.
Seems to me like the argument isn't about whether playing town or scum requires skill; it's more about the mindset of both alignments. Most townies have a sort of self righteousness about them where they don't really care if they come across as a little bit scummy since they have the truth behind them and don't fear a cop check. Scum on the other hand may be more cautious to try to avoid being lynched and to avoid being checked. This caution manifests itself in subtle ways such as calling one's self "rusty" as a pre-emptive excuse of one's behavior. Scum guilt can result in a lot of pre-emptive excuses.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Everyone has to analyze. Scum have to analyze or at least attempt it in order to appear townie.
Look, you replaced into a pretty bad slot. I'm probably going to keep voting you unless a better case appears against another player. The case is:
1. Suntax admits he's on the mafia
2. Suntax says he is rusty in an attempt to pre-empt errors in a display of scum-guilt
Unknown presents some reasoning on why he doesn't like this:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post643927
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post643932
I present some reasoning on why I don't like this:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post643945
3. Suntax is really blendy with his "just checking in" post which seems like scum trying to stay under the radar and post just enough to coast through the day
@MattZed if not you then who should we lynch today and why.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
@MattZed
What scum-motivation does Unknown have for getting all argumentative about semantics of "rusty." And like, how is that more scummy than a lot of other behavior we've seen here. I don't understand your response to the "rusty" argument and I'm trying to understand it beyond the face value OMGUS.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I will grant you that inexperienced scum tend to have a guilt complex.
However, in order to scumread Suntax for saying something, you still need to make the claim "Suntax as scum is much more likely to say this than Suntax is as town." The notion of 'scum guilt' makes it plausible Suntax would claim to be rusty as scum, but you still need to assume that Suntax isn't going to claim to be 'rusty' as town, which is wrong. Suntax has a reputation of being shamed for being inactive in games. (he even abandoned hosting a game!!) At the end of the day, he'll want to not keep getting shamed, which means not letting his teammates down, regardless of alignment. Why would he bother apologizing in day chat when he would have a night chat to apologize to a scum ally? Unknown's argument, even if the non-overstated version you present it, doesn't prove what it claims to, and that bothers me.
But what bothers me more is the strength with which Unknown scumreads my slot for this post. Sure, scum may want to excuse themselves, (although as I've already pointed out multiple times, he clearly couldn't have been strategically lurking) and this is at best weak evidence of scum alignment. Weak evidence. And yet Unknown insists Suntax's one post is so extreme it needs a defense. It's an introductory post that's being mined to discredit my slot.
Reading this silly argument is funny. MattZed is turning my read of Suntax as a misrep of him. Instead of trying to be productive and doing he isn't doing what he should be doing as town. Such as...
A.) proving why I'm scum
Or
B.) Providing reads or scum-hunting
Instead he spent his time saying that I misrepresented him by arguing about a word and clinging to the fact that one post isn't enough to scum-read someone. I really don't see any reason for you to scum-read me, and I'm surprised you haven't commented elsewhere because I can name three people who had a read on me based on my first post. So tell me Mr.Zed, when are you going to pick up where Suntax left off and actually do something? Or are you scum and going to push your "Unknown misrepped me he's scum" theory.
The entire first paragraph relies on me having to know his entire background, and saying that I need to meta read him. If there is no meta read, I'm not going to do it and will instead go against what I believe to be scummy.
That being said, you have spent your entire time arguing with me and trying to full force discredit me. You haven't even considered anything else I've said, or the fact that me asking you that question was to get you engaged in discussion.