Clinton and Trump are both horrible candidates.
Apo doesn't understand how Americans come about biting their own feet off. Do they boil their shoes first, or just tear right through the leather?
Still going to write Bernie down.
This is interesting.
I have noticed a high amount of liberals here should of expected that but whatever.
I don't know if I see it different since im in a position where I can be non bias.
I agree trump is far from the best but if you hate Hillary then vote trump, by voting third party your wasting your vote as neither of the third party are gonna get voted in.
Listen here in Russian,ex forces and fought in the Afghan war and the first Chechen war I drink vodka and lived in England for 13 years wanna stop me try it.
I have literally 0 respect for anyone that votes or supports that literal shit Trump.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
This comment wins the thread.
You are getting this wrong. My political ideology has little to do with who I support in the US presidential race. Being a liberal does not mean I would automatically vote for the Democrats in every election. False cause.
Frankly, your position is biased. 3-4 of your arguments supporting Trump related directly with Clinton and Trump's position on Russia.
This is a fallacy.
ROFL. Not automatically, but just 99% of the time, right? Care to cite some counterexamples post-1960s when the parties realigned? Given the polarization of the two parties, there are very few liberal Republicans or conservative Democrats left these days. That's a shame because at least there was some nuance there, as opposed to ideological purity as a requirement to be in office. Also, means the parties view governance as more of a blood sport than something where you should cooperate since there's less common ground or ways to get people from the other party to support your common sense ideas.
UPDATE: There's also some massive hypothetical bias here given the parties have become more extreme and ideological over time. I.e. Democrats demonized McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012, but any reasonable Democrat would be far more willing to have either as their President vs. Trump. However, I doubt there were many Democrats that supported either over Obama. I.e. it's easy to say, well, I would have supported less terrible Republican X if they were running today, but it doesn't mean you would have actually voted for them when they ran for office.
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Wow chill down bannana I know Hillary is friends with a ex leader id the kkk but chill, your beginning to sound like third wave feminist who believe in demi-boy, genderfluid turtle otherkin and all that other SJW shit.
Also if you don't like/hate and don't respect anyone who voted trump then you are technically a bigot as you are not liking ir not respecting them based on there political standpoint.
Unlucky-i know that your ideological standpoint does not equate your political affiliation but a majority of democrats are liberal and majority of republicans are conservative.
Listen here in Russian,ex forces and fought in the Afghan war and the first Chechen war I drink vodka and lived in England for 13 years wanna stop me try it.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Oh insulting your opponent and basing the fact trump is a white supremacist and has been for 50 plus years.
Im not going uk get into his Muslim immigration policy, I stand true that a temporary of people from the religion the majority of terrorism is currently coming from will help the country.
xenophobia comes from his Mexico policy mainly and as I stated before a disproportionate amount of Mexicans entering the country are rapists, murderers ect. Is a wall the way to solve it, I doubt it but something needs to be done. I fail to see where he shines with racism unless you count racism as not Supporting BLM.
I never misread you and I assumed you will be voting Hillary against trump so calling me a moron or telling me to fuck off while om attempting to debate is uncalled for. The last main debate was on the LGBT stuff and I noticed the uncalled insulting again.
I don't know of your a millennial or not and frankly I don't give a SHIT, but millennials are well known to be irrational, SJW, liberal's not all of them but a lot but your sounding a lot like a millennial
Listen here in Russian,ex forces and fought in the Afghan war and the first Chechen war I drink vodka and lived in England for 13 years wanna stop me try it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7347421.html
Shills will defend this
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Firstly a nice liberal bias news source like the independent or CNN are not good sources of information.
Secondly there taking it out of context, he did not say 'IF YOUR TERMINALLY ILL AND GONNA DIE VOTE ME THEN DIE'
He was making the point everyone should vote and if you cant see that he was telling everyone that they should vote then I feel for you.
Listen here in Russian,ex forces and fought in the Afghan war and the first Chechen war I drink vodka and lived in England for 13 years wanna stop me try it.
It was a recorded video, unless you're claiming that the Independent doctored it.
No, all he said was "I don't care how sick you are. I don't care if you just came back from the doctor and he gave you the worst possible prognosis, meaning it's over. Doesn't matter. Hang out till November 8. Get out and vote. All we’re going to say is: ‘We love you and we will remember you always’."
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It wasn't my point. I am a liberal, but that does not mean I will vote for the liberal party of my province/country. There are 2-3 liberal major parties in my province alone. Also, in 2011, I supported the neo-democrats (socialist party) though I did not have the right to vote at the time. My vote is not sold pre-elections. It may be hard to understand for an American as you guys have a two-party system.
So you're between voting for different liberal parties? LOL, ok then -- sounds like you're drawing distinctions that don't apply in the U.S. system. The way you phrased your oriignal comment, you were making it sound more like if you would consider voting Conservative in Canada -- that would be the parallel to voting Republican in the U.S. Your liberal parties are just wings of the Democratic Party that we have here -- i.e. super liberal vs. somewhat liberal. It's like saying you're an Elizabeth Warren Democrat vs. a mainstream liberal Democrat. Doesn't mean anything in a two-party system, and doesn't suggest much of any ideological flexibility / openmindedness.
Remember this?
"and fuck you too
fucking cunt
first fucking time i hosted
fuck this
im getting a shower and vodka and coke be back in 10
fucking hell"
Yet you call me out on uncalled for insults? kek
You really are a moron. I literally said in THIS THREAD that I can't vote for Hillary. They must not teach children how to read in Russia.
On Mexican immigrants, Trumps claim that most illegal immigrants are murderers and rapists is false. There is no data to support this claim. Simply taking his word for it makes you a moron. Look at the evidence, not incendiary claims.
"Data on immigrants and crime are incomplete, but a range of studies show there is no evidence immigrants commit more crimes than native-born Americans. In fact, first-generation immigrants are predisposed to lower crime rates than native-born Americans. (The Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for restrictive immigration laws, has a detailed report showing the shortfalls of immigrant crime data.)"
But fuck facts right, when you have a demagogue who can feed your racist biased opinion right?
https://wapo.st/1J3uuEA?tid=ss_sms-amp
Its not like the guy completely makes stuff up about Muslims right?
Trump wrongly claimed that a Pew Research Center survey found that among the world’s Muslims, “27 percent, could be 35 percent, would go to war” against the U.S.
The Pew Research Center says it has conducted no survey that asks such a question, nor did experts we consulted know of any such survey. One expert we talked to called Trump’s claim “nonsense.” Another told us it had “no scientific basis.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/tru...-muslim-claim/
In fact the actual FACT of the matter is that of 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world, around 100,000 of them are fighting for jihadist causes - do the math, that's less than .01% - not 1%, .01% - but again fuck facts amirite? It probably has nothing to do with the fact that around 62% of Muslims are Arab - WHITE POWER ALL THE WAY MAN
Don't even get me started on his long record of racism - look how he treated the first US black President with the birther nonsense that he pushed for YEARS even after Obama provided his birth certificate - and no white President has ever undergone this type of questioning, not even white candidates who were born outside the US like McCain and Ted Cruz had to answer to this line of questioning - but naw in his mind he was doing the country such a great service. Cause again fuck logic.
You really do have to lack critical thinking skills to support that guy.
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Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Sigh, im not even gonna argue angainst another SJW liberal idiot who likely supports BLM and third wave feminism.
Want some facts go to Paul Joseph Watson.
And even though I asked to keep this discussion civil it's turned and Turning into a toxic shitstorm, I would make a long detailed reply with my own sources and facts if my laptop wasent broken.
But since we have decided to turn a discussion into a shitstorm because of banana-a trend im noticing btw- it seems that for one to have a civil debate you cannot allow certain people to debate of all there going to do is turn a debate toxic.
Why I asked for a subforum.
But whatever trying to extract people's opinions without insult is too hard for some.
Listen here in Russian,ex forces and fought in the Afghan war and the first Chechen war I drink vodka and lived in England for 13 years wanna stop me try it.
Don't mind me~ just gathering information here.
Not a fallacy.
Edit: Probably should give a longer answer.
I don't see a fallacy in one where Suntax merely looks out for his best interest. Since he lives in Russia, it would be best for him if the candidate that made policies most favorable to Russia won. Most people aren't looking out for the interests of the entire population of the world/all the members of their country.
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I see both parties (democratic and republican) to be conservative on a whole. Both Hilary and Trump are promising to enact policies that I wouldn't agree with, and things are possibly not going to get better for Americans for the next 4/8 years.
Where do you people go to for non-biased information?
The U.S. is more conservative compared to other western countries. You're also more liberal compared to most in the U.S. Keep in mind that Hillary is making all sorts of wild promises like free college tuition that aren't going to be kept for logistical and fiscal reasons -- this was a consequence of being dragged to the left by Bernie. Oh, and TheOnion of course, is America's finest news source.
So is the le SJW boogeyman your favorite strawman for all liberals or what?
You called for a debate and ended up going with the "DUDE if you disagree...youre RETARDED OR A SJW LMAO" meme.
Let's stop pretending like you didn't shit up your own thread.
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TDL reading the thread. In b4 some stupid right wing "guns don't kill people -- dangerous minorities do" post
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
It's this way of thinking that is destroying the political system. In your words you are telling people to 'sheep' to make sure the other candidate shouldn't win. If everyone would just vote for who they think would actually be best for themselves rather the biggest ball of hot air, we might get somewhere in the US.
I'm on a political site and none of Trump's supporters there are decent human beings.
Their political standpoint is based on their personal ideologies - women, non-whites, and non-xtians are non-essential humans and can be treated as 2nd-class citizens or slaves. Even though they are less intelligent, less educated, less accomplished, and less emotionally invested with the rest of humanity they somehow decided that they are for some reason better and more deserving than everyone else.
The majority of people coming in from Mexico are Ecuadorian refugees escaping horrific conditions. Almost none of the illegal and/or legal immigrants from any country are disproportionally violent/criminal.
Suntax, you need to go to Snopes .com and factcheck your talking points. Most of them were debunked already.
It doesn't matter as long as the election system is based on FPTP. It's in people's best interests to vote for the major candidate that most closely resembles their actual views, because niche/third-party candidates will never win. Even if everyone in the US voted for who they actually want, I bet you Democrats and Republicans would still get the bulk of the vote. And if you are a socialist party voter, I'm sure you would rather see Clinton in office than Trump, by however small of a margin. In that case, if your vote will not matter anyway since the socialist party will never win, there's no reason to not vote for Clinton.
...smh who thought a political thread on this website was a good idea.
You guys all have some interesting opinions....