S-FM 212: Paired Mafia

[MiniZed]

There have been 0 survivor claims, and Frog despite the fact he's been consistently drunk all game the only thing that he has kept doing is accusing Matt, someone who is viewed as a strong town character to most people without any proof whatsoever.

[MiniZed]

-vote Orpz

Switching over now.

[Orpz]

MattZed
OrpZ
SuperJack
ThePrince

If you're town give me a post saying so

I am Town

This pings me as well.

It's not long after Titus roleclaims 1HP, and Yuki tells the doc to go on Orpz. Riiiight. So the mafia/possible SK can kill Titus? Yeah, no. If Yuki were town, this would be incredibly misguided advice, (also, healing Orpz over an information post? It wasn't a stroke of brilliance to say "oh look guys the setup!") but if he's scum then it becomes much clearer why he would want to give the doc such poor instructions.

Putting Yuki down as scum in group 1. @Yukitaka Oni , do you have anything to explain why you suggested doc go on someone other than a claimed 1 HP?

wifom

[Orpz]

There have been 0 survivor claims, and Frog despite the fact he's been consistently drunk all game the only thing that he has kept doing is accusing Matt, someone who is viewed as a strong town character to most people without any proof whatsoever.

Daily reminder that MattZed missed one of the most key parts of the setup (Roles are unique) as well as Titus's claim, which was the big event of Day 1.

[Eggy]

If we had lynched you yesterday, we would have accomplished this.

zzz.

do you have info regarding titus being scum??

[Orpz]

tfw Matt, Frog, ThePrince, and Superjack are all equally viable lynches to me

[MiniZed]

Daily reminder that MattZed missed one of the most key parts of the setup (Roles are unique) as well as Titus's claim, which was the big event of Day 1.

Is this some sort of dumb framing attempt by saying he isn't reading and following through with no conclusion?

[Orpz]

Is this some sort of dumb framing attempt by saying he isn't reading and following through with no conclusion?

It's a convenient daily reminder that's open for interpretation.

[Eggy]

Honestly, Given that Eggy was the biggest suspect yesterday, I don't like to be seeing someone throw him into a confirmed scum pool. I also don't like how FROG gives himself the image of "always drunk" almost as an excuse.

-vote Frog

How was I the biggest suspect? I fail to understand? seemed like it was a policy lynch

[MattZed]

Where my reads are currently:

Group 1:
MiniZed - Mostly a gutread at this moment because I haven't gotten around to a thorough analysis, but before I thought he had slipped actor, there was something decidedly neutral about him. Not saying much, not willing to vote people he wanted to pressure, just in general trying to not make enemies. Would need to re-check his opinion on survivors calling to see if he's possibly survivor.
Yukitaka Oni - By purple I am excluding survivor and maybe executioner. Scum-motivated post I've already pinged, and general non-contribution as well.
PLZLEAVEDUCKK - I told him to stop with the moon logic, and he did. He maintains activity and pressures people into explaining more. Doesn't accept friendship from others easily, (suspicious of Frog buddying; scum Duck with town Frog would simply accept the alliance as securing his position) and yells at others for not being active. Pro-town at the very least, and in light of how the rest of his group looks, pro-town behavior for most of D1 is enough to warrant a townread.
Titus - a mechanical clear is a mechanical clear. All of Group 1 was active at EoD.
Eggy - Haven't really paid attention to his posts as he picked up late in D1, but his complete lack of thinking things through (see: thinking Duckk and I as possible scum partners) tells me he's a non-invested town or lazy scum. For him, this lack of activity is NAI, but I would like to hear more from the slot.

Group 2:
MattZed - naturally.
OrpZ - Welcome to IIoA city!
Frog - explained this a few posts above. Partially a strong meta read, but also from his throwing shade and shamelessly buddying without backing it up.
SuperJack - shows an evolving thought process. Explains why he feels a given way about people, and it makes sense. It seems that his reads are largely in line with my own, which means he's either buddying me or simply sees things the same way. But if I'm not mistaken, he started espousing suspicion of Orpz/Frog before I went all-out with it. A quick accepter of Titus' claim, instead of a scum reserved to see if town would actually buy it. I don't accept the buddying hypothesis for now.
ThePrince - Null. Have not really paid attention to his posts, but could very well be scum/neut if one or Orpz/Frog turns out town.

[MiniZed]

How was I the biggest suspect? I fail to understand? seemed like it was a policy lynch

Even though you had low content that round, with Titus's claim you were the most scummy player in comparison to Duck, Yuki and myself.

But that isn't the point. Do you think anyone could have a strong enough town-read on you to say not to lynch you other than POE reasons?

[MattZed]

tfw Matt, Frog, ThePrince, and Superjack are all equally viable lynches to me

"I realize that I am on the block today and thus need to keep as many viable alternatives to my lynch open as possible."

-vote Orpz

Try to say some things that show you've actually been playing this game, mate.

[MiniZed]

I'm not SURVIVOR. if I was why I would be considering FROG as Executioner?

[Eggy]

Makes me more confident that you are town, by completely forgetting/missing a claim. Given that scum would be more inclined to know these things, and town are more focused on finding scum ect.

This does not really prove much to me. I think that mattzed essentially claiming invest is pretty townie tho. This game setup does not really allow for fake claims as easily as other games so im inclined to believe MZ

[Eggy]

Actually, I didn't really notice how suspicious that was until you pointed it out.

I think FROG is Executioner now. This post does prove my thoughts though that Yuki has been seeming more scummy than usual, and that those jokes he made about him being scum seemed out of place and unusual. I think it's possible Yuki and Orpz are scum.

if Frog is executioner who is his target? mattzed? and yes I agree yuki does seem off I dont like how he started a train on me EOD for no reason other than saying its me or a no lynch.

[MattZed]

I'm not SURVIVOR. if I was why I would be considering FROG as Executioner?

Throwing people off the scent? I'm not specifically reading you a survivor, just a neut vibe and general, where survivor would make sense.

[Eggy]

Even though you had low content that round, with Titus's claim you were the most scummy player in comparison to Duck, Yuki and myself.

But that isn't the point. Do you think anyone could have a strong enough town-read on you to say not to lynch you other than POE reasons?

how was I scummy if activity is not AI I am town. Any one of you would have been a better lynch than myself as far as I can tell.

[Eggy]

I'm not SURVIVOR. if I was why I would be considering FROG as Executioner?

could be a scheme?? would make sense

[Frog]

Test

Mic Check 1-2 1-2

[Frog]

Orpz and SJ prob town

[Eggy]

frog is viewing the thread but not posting

[SuperJack]

Daily reminder that MattZed missed one of the most key parts of the setup (Roles are unique) as well as Titus's claim, which was the big event of Day 1.

Mis-Informed is more of a town tell than a scum tell.

tfw Matt, Frog, ThePrince, and Superjack are all equally viable lynches to me

So, basically. Anyone apart from you, even people who are town?

[Frog]

Happy voting between MattZedd / Prince with a heavy nod to MZ

[Eggy]

nvm just posted

[Frog]

frog is viewing the thread but not posting

Are my posts not going through? Fuck it

Lynch Matt Zedd - confirmed scum ez

[Orpz]

"I realize that I am on the block today and thus need to keep as many viable alternatives to my lynch open as possible."

-vote Orpz

Try to say some things that show you've actually been playing this game, mate.

You mean like reading the setup and day chats?

[SuperJack]

Orpz and SJ prob town

Happy voting between MattZedd / Prince with a heavy nod to MZ

Why are you not even playing? This means feck all. Just looks like you are using people who replied to your post to place into the town slot.

[Eggy]

I definately believe the narrative that frog is executioner if I had to guess minized is SK since he brought up the executioner idea he would be the person that knows it exists. I also find hes been very neutral. If titus is town then I would put Duck/yuki as mafia and minized as meutral in group one. Any of those lynches would be good d3

[Orpz]

Mis-Informed is more of a town tell than a scum tell.


So, basically. Anyone apart from you, even people who are town?

Considering I'm more confirmed Town than anyone else to myself -- yes.

[SuperJack]

You mean like reading the setup and day chats?

You know, when scum have a group chat, and they are talking about who to kill. And one says "Hey, how about that 1hp Townie Claim" (Followed by Pairing/Claims)

Unless you are claiming he is Neutral.

[ThePrince]

Please tell me what I have done to earn such a title?

I townread you, that's all there is to know about it.

[SuperJack]

Considering I'm more confirmed Town than anyone else to myself -- yes.

Aim isn't to convince yourself you are town. Aim is to show other people you are town, and the scum is over there.

[Eggy]

-vote mattzed

gnna leave this vote here until he reveals the feedback he supposedly recieved. I am not entirely opposed to voting orpz

[SuperJack]

I townread you, that's all there is to know about it.

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXZ

You know what is missing...

Spoiler : Answer :

Y?

(Or Why, if you prefer.)

[Orpz]

You know, when scum have a group chat, and they are talking about who to kill. And one says "Hey, how about that 1hp Townie Claim" (Followed by Pairing/Claims)

Unless you are claiming he is Neutral.

Nah, it's usually "How about (player name)" instead of "How about (role claim)".

[Eggy]

we need to pay close attention to prince I think another likely candidate for neutral. I feel like hes getting a free pass and that everyone is forgetting about him.

[SuperJack]

-vote mattzed

gnna leave this vote here until he reveals the feedback he supposedly recieved. I am not entirely opposed to voting orpz

You want to pressure him to reveal his information early?

Isn't the game best for town power roles, with information, to reveal late (but not to late to lose out on discussion)

That way we have the whole time before the information reveal to use as information which could aid the info.
(also revealing that he has info but not revealing it will make the scum sweat)

[SuperJack]

we need to pay close attention to prince I think another likely candidate for neutral. I feel like hes getting a free pass and that everyone is forgetting about him.

Sorry, Please correct that. I am not forgetting him. Please do not mislead.

[ThePrince]

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXZ

You know what is missing...

Spoiler : Answer :

Y?

(Or Why, if you prefer.)

It does not come from your actions or posts, I have my reasons.

There is a miller in our group.

[Orpz]

It does not come from your actions or posts, I have my reasons.

There is a miller in our group.

Millers are probably the best role in the game.

[Eggy]

You want to pressure him to reveal his information early?

Isn't the game best for town power roles, with information, to reveal late (but not to late to lose out on discussion)

That way we have the whole time before the information reveal to use as information which could aid the info.
(also revealing that he has info but not revealing it will make the scum sweat)

so for scum to make a potential slip? I feel like if he is scum and someone claims something or does something similar he can bring out his "info" afterwards and paint then as scum. By him holding on to his info he might be able to force scum to mess up but there is equal chance he is scum and can instead make a townie look bad by favricating info as he sees fit

[Eggy]

Sorry, Please correct that. I am not forgetting him. Please do not mislead.

Correct it how? he is getting considerably less attention than any other player I would say

[SuperJack]

It does not come from your actions or posts, I have my reasons.

There is a miller in our group.

Wow. Hinting @ Info much. Which riddles down to this information, as your read is from a mechanical/feedback information.

1)You checked me,as sheriff, and got a Green read.
2)You are scum and know I'm town (Consigliere)

[Orpz]

I know for a fact that there is an Executioner and Survivor in this game. In fact, those are the two 3P's.

Refute me.

Protip: you can't

[MiniZed]

You people are playing this game incorrectly. The point isn't to announce you are a TPR or whatever you're claiming.

[MiniZed]

I know for a fact that there is an Executioner and Survivor in this game. In fact, those are the two 3P's.

Refute me.

Protip: you can't

It's actually not possible. Read the setup.

[Orpz]

It's actually not possible. Read the setup.

Incorrect.

[SuperJack]

so for scum to make a potential slip? I feel like if he is scum and someone claims something or does something similar he can bring out his "info" afterwards and paint then as scum. By him holding on to his info he might be able to force scum to mess up but there is equal chance he is scum and can instead make a townie look bad by favricating info as he sees fit

To push scum further, I don't mind at all. He hasn't lied.
Are you worried?

[Eggy]

so prince just claimed sheriff? so that means that the only feedback mattzed could have as town is that from a doctor?? which is not very much as far as I know(ive never been one) that means that one of them is probably lying?

[MiniZed]

Incorrect.

Prove it. You can't.