Town of Salem?

[Bruno]

Note: as directly quoted from General Discussion; "Post all of your off-topic and unrelated discussions here." Also, there are no rules about bodily fluid exposure, and with no direct nudity, this post is in no ways breaking or even bending rules. Keep that in mind, h8rade sippers.

This is discussion of Town of Salem, since the other thread apparently only promotes it.

I'd post on their site, but they don't have any boards (lol?)

Regarding the Town of Salem changes, how do you exactly feel? You know, self-healing doctors, the removal of detective pairings, no citizens, etc.

At the moment, I feel like they're merely posting on this site to promote themselves, considering how drastically they've modified such basic features. Given the TREMENDOUS out lash, does BlankMediaGames even care? Lets face it, a majority of members on this site helped fund the (failed) Kickstarter, right? So doesn't it make sense they would listen to suggestions of this community? With such changes, I feel like it's nearly an entirely different and dumbed-down version of mafia.

How does it make you feel knowing BlankMediaGames is most likely using these forums as a free advertisement under the guise of "It's a lot like Mafia, so be sure to fund us to make it!"

This is how I feel :

Spoiler : Violated :

[Frog]

Congratulations boyz! We've broken the #1,200 views mark in less than 1.5 hours!
#1,700 views in 2 hours

I don't want to write a new post because I want to keep the viewsosts ratio as high as possible.

My question is: is this a group effort now? Are we going for a world record?

[RLVG]

Congratulations boyz! We've broken the #1,200 views mark in less than 1.5 hours!
#1,700 views in 2 hours

I don't want to write a new post because I want to keep the viewsosts ratio as high as possible.

My question is: is this a group effort now? Are we going for a world record?

Isn't it against the rules now to hold F5 to refresh the page repeatively due to the constant crashing of servers a year back? Assuming that's what is happening.

As for Salem, I'd try it if it wasn't a forced requirement of Facebook which I'm trying to avoid.

[Aldaris]

Bruno,

More Mafia is good. They're already basing Town of Salem on SC2 Mafia which is a good thing. Maybe some of their changes are good, maybe some of their changes are bad, we won't know for sure until we test them thoroughly.

[Apocist]

Isn't it against the rules now to hold F5 to refresh the page repeatively due to the constant crashing of servers a year back? Assuming that's what is happening.

As for Salem, I'd try it if it wasn't a forced requirement of Facebook which I'm trying to avoid.

That's why you use an auto refresh and limit to every 10 secs

[Slaol]

Bruno,

More Mafia is good. They're already basing Town of Salem on SC2 Mafia which is a good thing. Maybe some of their changes are good, maybe some of their changes are bad, we won't know for sure until we test them thoroughly.

We've tested and conceptualized them. There are many different things that could be added to Sc2 that would improve it. ToS has elected to disregard all of those in favor of the worst possible ideas it could have.
Shit, they even deleted Detective because "it's similar to Lookout" how more direct do you want them to be in telling you they have no idea what is happening around them. Deleting Detective is fine, if you look at the S-FM forum here there are plenty of games that don't use it, but do it for a reason that makes sense at all.

[Damus_Graves]

Bruno,

More Mafia is good. They're already basing Town of Salem on SC2 Mafia which is a good thing. Maybe some of their changes are good, maybe some of their changes are bad, we won't know for sure until we test them thoroughly.

Is there a citizen?

[Apocist]

Is there a citizen?

No

[BlankMediaGames]

Is there a citizen?

Not currently no. The feedback we have gotten about that has been really negative but we will try it out. If it doesn't work we can always add it.

[Bruno]

Bruno,

More Mafia is good. They're already basing Town of Salem on SC2 Mafia which is a good thing. Maybe some of their changes are good, maybe some of their changes are bad, we won't know for sure until we test them thoroughly.

You've hardly been here 5 months. Don't you think these features were already tested? Inb4 Town of Salem paid actor.

[BlankMediaGames]

The game is now live for alpha testing! Go play and give us feedback on the forums:

www.blankmediagames.com/townofsalem

Forums:
www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb

[louiswill]

I embrace whichever give the wildest choice.

For highest bidder!

Does free speeches give those country a disadvantage instead of advantage?


I'd say NecroJihad now will have another game to play with.

So, It maybe good to sc2mafia, to us all, isn't it?




For a consumer, there can always be more competitive market of same products.



Samsung violated Apple?

Apple violated Samsung?

I don't give a feather of it since the idea of a smart phone or PDA exists in ancient cartoon already.

I just want a cheaper service and a better service.



DR is more responsive recently and that means a lot of it.


I gonna buy Motor X.

[Aldaris]

You've hardly been here 5 months. Don't you think these features were already tested? Inb4 Town of Salem paid actor.

You've tested Docs with 1 Self heal and Bodyguards with 1 bonus vest?

[Bruno]

You've tested Docs with 1 Self heal and Bodyguards with 1 bonus vest?

I haven't personally, doesn't mean it wasn't tested. How much are they paying you?

[Aldaris]

I haven't personally, doesn't mean it wasn't tested.

So, how do you know it's unbalanced then? Secondly, against what metric, if it were unbalanced, would it be unbalanced against?

[Bruno]

So, how do you know it's unbalanced then? Secondly, against what metric, if it were unbalanced, would it be unbalanced against?

You didn't answer my other question.

[Aldaris]

I'm not being paid by anyone.

[Bruno]

I'm not being paid by anyone.

So you're just a smurf then?

[louiswill]

So you're just a smurf then?

undermine credibility? what if everyone is a smurf of some other organization...

I kind want to have this thread murdered. haha.

Anyway, how is their new feedback section?

has there been some good discussion?

[Bruno]

undermine credibility? what if everyone is a smurf of some other organization...

I kind want to have this thread murdered. haha.

Anyway, how is their new feedback section?

has there been some good discussion?

Well, since BlankMediaGames failed to address ANY concerns I listed in the OP, I'm assuming I'm right and he's just hoping nobody listens to me. Really? You need Kickstarter to fund a simple account system? Their investor gave them five thousand, you're telling me all of that went towards art and the game engine?

Total cash grab, and so many people are just bending over and spreading their cheeks.

[BlankMediaGames]

Well, since BlankMediaGames failed to address ANY concerns I listed in the OP, I'm assuming I'm right and he's just hoping nobody listens to me. Really? You need Kickstarter to fund a simple account system? Their investor gave them five thousand, you're telling me all of that went towards art and the game engine?

Total cash grab, and so many people are just bending over and spreading their cheeks.

I am sorry I have been ignoring you Bruno. If you feel that way about us, I am sorry. We have been working very hard to create a game that we want to play. Whether or not you want to play it is completely up to you. We are not here to steal people away from SC2 Mafia. We love SC2 Mafia.

To address your concerns about the money, have you ever created a game? A professional game is EXTREMELY expensive and takes quite a lot of time to build. We have been working on this game for 18 months and are just now getting to this stage since we could not work on it full time. The artwork for the game alone cost around $10,000. We have sunk our hard earned money into the game but we just don't have the savings to finish up the final push. The Kickstarter will fund lots of things as well as the account system. Such as a leveling system, artwork, marketing/advertising, making sure we don't starve before we finish the game, operating costs, server costs, legal fees, etc. I could go on more if you are interested.

[oops_ur_dead]

I am sorry I have been ignoring you Bruno. If you feel that way about us, I am sorry. We have been working very hard to create a game that we want to play. Whether or not you want to play it is completely up to you. We are not here to steal people away from SC2 Mafia. We love SC2 Mafia.

To address your concerns about the money, have you ever created a game? A professional game is EXTREMELY expensive and takes quite a lot of time to build. We have been working on this game for 18 months and are just now getting to this stage since we could work on it full time. The artwork for the game alone cost around $10,000. We have sunk our hard earned money into the game but we just don't have the savings to finish up the final push. The Kickstarter will fund lots of things as well as the account system. Such as a leveling system, artwork, marketing/advertising, making sure we don't starve before we finish the game, operating costs, server costs, legal fees, etc. I could go on more if you are interested.

I'm interested in a couple things:
1) How much are you asking for in your kickstarter?
2) How exactly will the money be split up?

[BlankMediaGames]

I'm interested in a couple things:
1) How much are you asking for in your kickstarter?
2) How exactly will the money be split up?

The Kickstarter hasn't been announced yet, my co-founder and I are meeting tomorrow to crunch the numbers. I can update everyone about it after that

[Bruno]

I am sorry I have been ignoring you Bruno. If you feel that way about us, I am sorry. We have been working very hard to create a game that we want to play. Whether or not you want to play it is completely up to you. We are not here to steal people away from SC2 Mafia. We love SC2 Mafia.

To address your concerns about the money, have you ever created a game? A professional game is EXTREMELY expensive and takes quite a lot of time to build. We have been working on this game for 18 months and are just now getting to this stage since we could not work on it full time. The artwork for the game alone cost around $10,000. We have sunk our hard earned money into the game but we just don't have the savings to finish up the final push. The Kickstarter will fund lots of things as well as the account system. Such as a leveling system, artwork, marketing/advertising, making sure we don't starve before we finish the game, operating costs, server costs, legal fees, etc. I could go on more if you are interested.

That artwork cost you $10,000? You got gypped.

[Aldaris]

@BlankMediaGames

Don't worry about haters like Bruno. People that post ignorant reactionary kneejerk posts and image macros like that aren't worth your time.

[Bruno]

@BlankMediaGames

Don't worry about haters like Bruno. People that post ignorant reactionary kneejerk posts and image macros like that aren't worth your time.

Are you the person paying them? I'm not a hater, I'm expressing valid concerns. My posts are in no way reactionary kneejerk (redundant much) topics, considering I helped fund the last Kickstarter. I want to be sure this time it won't be a waste of funds I need to set aside just for it to fail, since they got like 5k out of the 20 they hoped for.

[BlankMediaGames]

Are you the person paying them? I'm not a hater, I'm expressing valid concerns. My posts are in no way reactionary kneejerk (redundant much) topics, considering I helped fund the last Kickstarter. I want to be sure this time it won't be a waste of funds I need to set aside just for it to fail, since they got like 5k out of the 20 they hoped for.

We value your support and assistance in making things better and making sure we are spending our money responsibly. We are professional game devs, we have worked at video game studios. We know the costs of making games first hand. I assure you, 10k for the artwork that was done was actually quite cheap for our industry and the quality that is needed to be in a release environment.

[Admiral]

Something tells me there is not $10,000 sunk into artwork.

[Apocist]

That is one thing Apo can't imagine as well. Since He's seen quite some contracts for hiring someone responsible for ALL aspects of images, but something at this level of flash like gameplay just doesn't seem feasible. Either you were con'ed, don't price your job tasks well, or are lying.

Just how many developers do you have?

[BlankMediaGames]

Just how many developers do you have?

Two programmers. To clear things up, the funds that have went into this game so far are for art, sound, UI, website and server costs. Additionally we had a first round of background artwork by a freelance artist that ended up being terrible and we had to just take a wash on that and find a new freelance artist for the current background artwork. Sometimes things don't always work out perfectly.

[TurdPile]

@Bruno, clearly you are underestimating what goes on when it comes to graphic design. There's different types of it, compile and compact (ie signatures, avatars, et cetera), then you have artwork from scratch which is required for games (to avoid copyright issues and so on). All the artwork in that game is clearly custom made (albeit cartoonish and very childish, and not my style at all... one of the reasons I play Smite rather than league of legends). digitally or with pen and tablet, things like that take time. Time is money. With the graphics I've seen, and the current average pay rate for a graphic designer, I could see it racking up to $10k easily.

Let's take one of the houses for example. Making that, unless you know exactly what its going to look like off the bat (which artists dont really know until they start and it flows together), doesn't simply take 5 hours to do, and its done. Considering the graphics, I would say the freelance was charging around $20-25/hr. Estimating 5-10 hours a hours is almost $200 a pop. Then you have each character, and the entire themed layouts which would definitely take a long while. At the current stage, $5k maybe for graphics...

...where did the other $5k go?

EDIT: Would like to point out $20/hr is a low figure for a gfx des. Guessed based on quality of the graphics.

[clementine]

As someone who has done freelance graphic design, I can confirm that $20/hr is on the low end of rates. Maybe if the blank media crew could itemize the number of graphics purchased and hours billed it would give us confidence in their money managing skills. Would you guys be willing to provide this information?

I'm also interested to know how much money was "wasted" on the first background artist since in my experience someone will hire me for a small portion of a project to make sure our business arrangement is working before moving forward with a significant graphic design order.

[louiswill]

A Report on money spending table will be nice at this point.