Boston Marathon Bombing

[Jim]

So the bomb was created inside a pressure cooker and someone asked the Massachusetts governor if it was a plot to take away rights.
I hate when the government plots to take away the right for me to make fall off the bone ribs.

[louiswill]

Read a version of this story on CNN Arabic.

(CNN) -- The Pakistani Taliban denied any involvement in a double bombing at the Boston Marathon that killed at least three people, spokesman Ihsanullah Ihsan said Wednesday.

"Wherever we find Americans we will kill them, but we don't have any connection with the Boston Explosions," Ihsan said.

The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the Times Square bombing in 2010.



--------------They really stepped forward and denied it.....

[Cryptonic]

i'm sure everyone has seen this lol

[oops_ur_dead]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...87f_story.html
ITS HAPPENING.

[Gingerape]

We'll do it live!

[Ash]

lmfao at their bragging

Soon after the shooting, the brothers allegedly carjacked a Mercedes SUV from Third Street in Cambridge. They forced the driver of the car to stop at several bank machines to withdraw money, and succeeded in taking $800 from one location.The driver, who was released unharmed on Memorial Drive, told police that the brothers had bragged to him that they were the marathon bombers, law enforcement authorities said.

these chechens r madmen. not even americans can stop them

[Lazers]

Here's a scanner in case anyone wants to listen. They're still looking for the guy

https://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam

[Ash]

Here's a scanner in case anyone wants to listen. They're still looking for the guy

https://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam

how come they haven't found him?

also how did the cops lose their suspects after a shootout? sad

also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya
if u guys read the history, it might be informative. they sound pretty crazy 2 me

[Lazers]

they caught him alive

[Admiral]

Hopefully authorities find out what other connections if any there may be in this event.

I couldn't be an interrogator. I'd saw his carve his legs up like kebab meat.

[Echonian]

I didn't want to respond to this topic, because doing so makes things even worse, but I'm going to anyway.

I feel bad for the victims of this tragedy. I also feel depressed over people being so incredibly stupid as to make it out as the end of the world when LITERALLY ONE HUNDRED MILLIONTH of the United States' population is killed.

I can understand it being a brief story, but when it obviously isn't part of some larger scheme, continuing to cover it in the news and going along with that coverage is simply giving into pointless fear mongering.

Essentially, this entire thing is a tragedy, that is taking up a disproportionally large amount of the public attention that would be far better put to use on serious issues that could actually save lives or advance society, and not on occasional killings that while depressing are almost certainly never going to affect you or anyone you know.

This event is enormously less damaging than 9/11, but the media coverage is still ridiculously large. What happened after 9/11? Fear mongering lead the US into a war that cost a trillion dollars and thousands of our soldier's lives, and tens of thousands of innocent and enemy combatant lives, and made our relation with the rest of the world terrible. It also lead to a reduction in our personal privacy rights, airport security that does not help security much at all but helps stupid people think that they are safe.

An event being terrible should be acknowledged, but over-reacting to it can do more harm in the end than the event itself. This is a point that should be understood by everyone when considering this kind of tragedy.

[Sinclair]

From just barely skimming over your post;

The only reason why there was/is so much media coverage over it was not because of fear-mongering (which will come soon, if not here already) but because there were TERRORISTS on the loose IN BOSTON and surrounding cities. This won't lead to a war. It's only 2 kids, self motivated by religion. If it was found to be Al-Qaeda backed or some terror group from anywhere backed, it would've been much worse and people would've called for increased military presence in the Middle East.

Granted yes, the government will find a way to turn this against the people and constrict our rights even more (SEE: Overly hyped Newtown shootings. Yes those were absolutely fucking horrible, but the media and government over played it so much and used the victims/families to push gun control, which is not the problem).

[Jim]

From just barely skimming over your post;

The only reason why there was/is so much media coverage over it was not because of fear-mongering (which will come soon, if not here already) but because there were TERRORISTS on the loose IN BOSTON and surrounding cities. This won't lead to a war. It's only 2 kids, self motivated by religion. If it was found to be Al-Qaeda backed or some terror group from anywhere backed, it would've been much worse and people would've called for increased military presence in the Middle East.

Granted yes, the government will find a way to turn this against the people and constrict our rights even more (SEE: Overly hyped Newtown shootings. Yes those were absolutely fucking horrible, but the media and government over played it so much and used the victims/families to push gun control, which is not the problem).

They said that it was solely motivated and no outside sources help them in planning/creating/doing.

[Sinclair]

From just barely skimming over your post;

The only reason why there was/is so much media coverage over it was not because of fear-mongering (which will come soon, if not here already) but because there were TERRORISTS on the loose IN BOSTON and surrounding cities. This won't lead to a war. It's only 2 kids, self motivated by religion. If it was found to be Al-Qaeda backed or some terror group from anywhere backed, it would've been much worse and people would've called for increased military presence in the Middle East.

Granted yes, the government will find a way to turn this against the people and constrict our rights even more (SEE: Overly hyped Newtown shootings. Yes those were absolutely fucking horrible, but the media and government over played it so much and used the victims/families to push gun control, which is not the problem).

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They said that it was solely motivated and no outside sources help them in planning/creating/doing.

See the above quote.

[Echonian]

From just barely skimming over your post;

The only reason why there was/is so much media coverage over it was not because of fear-mongering (which will come soon, if not here already) but because there were TERRORISTS on the loose IN BOSTON and surrounding cities. This won't lead to a war. It's only 2 kids, self motivated by religion. If it was found to be Al-Qaeda backed or some terror group from anywhere backed, it would've been much worse and people would've called for increased military presence in the Middle East.

Granted yes, the government will find a way to turn this against the people and constrict our rights even more (SEE: Overly hyped Newtown shootings. Yes those were absolutely fucking horrible, but the media and government over played it so much and used the victims/families to push gun control, which is not the problem).

Two kids who home-made bombs and kill a few people might be terrorists in the strictest sense, but if they were acting on their own it is no more terrorism than any number of shootings or situations in our country where a lone person or small group goes and kills a bunch of people. Like you said, this won't lead to a war, so I don't understand why everyone can't just stop talking about it.

Another issue with the news covering such stories so in-depth and for so long is that it basically ENCOURAGES people to do this sort of thing. People who would commit these sorts of crimes know that all they have to do is kill a few people and they will immediately be thrust into the public spotlight, and have millions of people know their name and deeds. They want to become infamous, and send a message, and people making such a big deal over this and the news going along with that demand does exactly that. Crimes like this should not be publicized as heavily as they are, the criminals should not be exposed to the public to fuel their curiosity (only what is required for fair process), they should not have their time in the spotlight for committing such a horrible crime.

[Admiral]

They said that it was solely motivated and no outside sources help them in planning/creating/doing.

That doesn't mean they were totally honest or that everyone has the facts.

[Cryptonic]

Bunny sent this to me: https://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

[Sinclair]

Bunny sent this to me: https://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

I hope you don't believe that, it's fucking stupid.

[Lysergic]

I hope you don't believe that, it's fucking stupid.

Agreed.

Also, the discourse around how to charge the surviving suspect is fucking disgusting. If I hear one more person advocate labeling him an "enemy combatant" and then shipping him to Gitmo to be tortured for the rest of his natural life without any charges or trial, I might snap. This is a fucking US citizen that we're talking about. >.>

[Cryptonic]

I hope you don't believe that, it's fucking stupid.

lololol did you look at them all?
also, you're full of negativity. all the latest posts ive seen you make have been like f-this and this is stupid.
-rep, sry sinclair

[Lysergic]

lololol did you look at them all?
also, you're full of negativity. the last posts ive seen you make have been like f-this and this is stupid.
-rep, sry sinclair

I did. The one being espoused as the "proof" (the blown up backpack) is pretty clearly a tan backpack that's been blown inside out. You can see the tan exterior on the lower half of the straps. It looks similar to the one worn in photos by Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. The idea that the government set off bombs in Boston to distract everyone while Congress "sneakily" passed CISPA is idiotic, considering that it hasn't actually been passed by the Senate (only the House), that it failed to pass the Senate last time, and that Obama's advisors have publicly advised him to veto the bill should it actually pass.

Fearmongering about some ridiculous conspiracy theory distracts from the actual issues that are happening here (namely, the degradation of civil liberties in the name of the "war on terror," and the racist implications involved in how the media is portraying the two suspects).

[Sinclair]

lololol did you look at them all?
also, you're full of negativity. the last posts ive seen you make have been like f-this and this is stupid.
-rep, sry sinclair

I did look at them, and they are full of negativity because I find conspiritards idiotic and I felt strongly, as every American should, against these 2 pieces of shit that bombed our country.

Those pictures are clearly, as stated on other websites, full of shit and stupidity. A bottle of fake blood? Are you shitting me? Okay, so you think those dozen or so people who lost limbs and whos lives are changed forever are faking it? You think that the government put these people up to bombing the innocent people in Boston? I'm sorry, I know the government is extremely shady, but they wouldn't do something like this.

I just get annoyed at people who always have to blame the government for everything. Granted, the Obama administration is working on taking our rights away, slowly and painfully, and they'll find some way to use this against our rights, but it's just stupid to assume that the 2 people who were found (Dzokhar or however you spell it, and Tamerlan) did not do it. It's obvious that they did.

Those PMCs in the picture? Probably hired for security, or just there for the fun.

Conspiritards annoy me, nothing against you Crypt, I know you were sent that, but it just annoys me.

I did. The one being espoused as the "proof" (the blown up backpack) is pretty clearly a tan backpack that's been blown inside out. You can see the tan exterior on the lower half of the straps. It looks similar to the one worn in photos by Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. The idea that the government set off bombs in Boston to distract everyone while Congress "sneakily" passed CISPA is idiotic, considering that it hasn't actually been passed by the Senate (only the House), that it failed to pass the Senate last time, and that Obama's advisors have publicly advised him to veto the bill should it actually pass.

Fearmongering about some ridiculous conspiracy theory distracts from the actual issues that are happening here (namely, the degradation of civil liberties in the name of the "war on terror," and the racist implications involved in how the media is portraying the two suspects).

I like you.

[Bunny]

americans and their rights... So we tah did

[Lysergic]

Also, the photo of the Sandy Hook principal who was "renamed" and appeared at Boston is completely 100% fake. Been debunked multiple times all around the web.

Here are some relevant Snopes write-ups:
https://www.snopes.com/politics/consp...n.asp#backpack

https://www.snopes.com/politics/consp....asp#principal

[Sinclair]

americans and their rights... So we tah did

I can see you're not American. If you were you'd understand. It's very obvious that our rights are being taken away. Slowly.

If you payed attention, I'm not sure if Canada was paying attention or not, to the whole Sandy Hook shooting, the Obama administration milked it until it was as dry as a desert and they are still trying to milk it slowly to take away or right to bear arms. The obvious answer is not to take away guns, but to increase funding to the mental system. It is practically non-existent here. Anyone who commits any crime is mentally unstable or they have some sort of mental problem. Whether it be an anger problem, or they are mentally unstable, as was Adam Lanza.

[Bunny]

I can see you're not American. If you were you'd understand. It's very obvious that our rights are being taken away. Slowly.

If you payed attention, I'm not sure if Canada was paying attention or not, to the whole Sandy Hook shooting, the Obama administration milked it until it was as dry as a desert and they are still trying to milk it slowly to take away or right to bear arms. The obvious answer is not to take away guns, but to increase funding to the mental system. It is practically non-existent here. Anyone who commits any crime is mentally unstable or they have some sort of mental problem. Whether it be an anger problem, or they are mentally unstable, as was Adam Lanza.

this is very plain and simple: we do not have guns, we do not have big shootings. are americans that thick skullled that they can't undserstand it? AH but you have your rights not to take medication so thats out. if guns were banned plain and simple, he wouldnt have shot anyone.

[Lysergic]

I can see you're not American. If you were you'd understand. It's very obvious that our rights are being taken away. Slowly.

Eeeeh; I agree with most of what you've said, but this is not a productive mentality. This whole nationalistic bent around the WoT / degradation of rights under Obama does more harm than good. It's great to talk about these issues, but we should approach them from the viewpoint of humans existing in a globalized world, not citizens of any specific nation.

After all, while it's terrible that rights promised to Americans and that have long been enshrined in American law are being eroded under Obama, it's also terrible that hundreds of Muslim children have been killed in drone strikes, or that several hundred "detainees" are still being held after over a decade of imprisonment in Guantanamo without any charges ever having been filed (many now starting to die of old age, in a cage, with no actual accusation of wrongdoing, all because they "aren't American" and thus somehow don't deserve basic human decency).

So you're head's in the right place, but I say let's shy away from the whole "you're not American so you don't get it" mentality.

[Numbertwo]

this is very plain and simple: we do not have guns, we do not have big shootings. are americans that thick skullled that they can't undserstand it? AH but you have your rights not to take medication so thats out. if guns were banned plain and simple, he wouldnt have shot anyone.

Beeing allowed to own guns is a part of their ''freedom''. They would probably see it as a government conspiracy if their guns were taken away.

[Bunny]

Beeing allowed to own guns is a part of their ''freedom''. They would probably see it as a government conspiracy if their guns were taken away.

ehh if they're willing to be that dumb, they deserve to have their kids shot up.

[Cryptonic]

Lol, I also disagree that anyone who commits a crime has a mental problem LOLOL I just can't understand why someone would think that.

[Sinclair]

this is very plain and simple: we do not have guns, we do not have big shootings. are americans that thick skullled that they can't undserstand it? AH but you have your rights not to take medication so thats out. if guns were banned plain and simple, he wouldnt have shot anyone.

Guns being banned makes no difference. It would still happen. Guns have been legal since the beginning of the country. Taking them away and keeping them away would be next to impossible. If you look at Detroit, it has some of the most strict gun laws in the country, yet there is still a crap-ton of gun-related crimes and murders that happen there.

Eeeeh; I agree with most of what you've said, but this is not a productive mentality. This whole nationalistic bent around the WoT / degradation of rights under Obama does more harm than good. It's great to talk about these issues, but we should approach them from the viewpoint of humans existing in a globalized world, not citizens of any specific nation.

After all, while it's terrible that rights promised to Americans and that have long been enshrined in American law are being eroded under Obama, it's also terrible that hundreds of Muslim children have been killed in drone strikes, or that several hundred "detainees" are still being held after over a decade of imprisonment in Guantanamo without any charges ever having been filed (many now starting to die of old age, in a cage, with no actual accusation of wrongdoing, all because they "aren't American" and thus somehow don't deserve basic human decency).

So you're head's in the right place, but I say let's shy away from the whole "you're not American so you don't get it" mentality.

Yes very true, I do not support drone strikes. I only support drone strikes IF they're targeting someone that is sitting in a cave in a mountain somewhere far from innocent/civilian life. I do agree about the "you're not American so you don't get it" part, my bad.

Beeing allowed to own guns is a part of their ''freedom''. They would probably see it as a government conspiracy if their guns were taken away.

No, we wouldn't see it as a conspiracy, we'd see it as our rights taken away. Our country was founded on the fact that we have freedom. The second amendment to the constitution clearly states that "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Our country's founding document has that in there, I believe we are entitled to what our founding fathers made this country on.

[Sinclair]

Lol, I also disagree that anyone who commits a crime has a mental problem LOLOL I just can't understand why someone would think that.

Because, someone in their right mind would never commit a crime.

[Cryptonic]

Because, someone in their right mind would never commit a crime.

So, any crime?
If you jaywalk, you have a mental problem.
You smoke weed, mental problem.
You steal a chocolate bar, mental problem.

[Bunny]

Guns being banned makes no difference. It would still happen. Guns have been legal since the beginning of the country. Taking them away and keeping them away would be next to impossible. If you look at Detroit, it has some of the most strict gun laws in the country, yet there is still a crap-ton of gun-related crimes and murders that happen there.

i urge you to look at countries who have guns banned. they just dont have the crime rates..

So, any crime?
If you jaywalk, you have a mental problem.
You smoke weed, mental problem.
You steal a chocolate bar, mental problem.

lol excesive speeding.

[Lysergic]

Beeing allowed to own guns is a part of their ''freedom''. They would probably see it as a government conspiracy if their guns were taken away.

First of all, the idea of the government taking away all guns from citizens is crazy (like, crazy in that it would never happen). It's a gross oversimplification of the gun debate that's being deployed by a lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum as yet another fear mongering tactic.

That said, I see this whole "they're taking away our guns" thing as symptomatic. It's not that people are necessarily upset over that one issue, but rather that it characterizes how the federal government under Obama's administration (and Bush's before it) goes about managing civil liberties during the War on Terror (other symptoms being the justifications for killing US citizens on US soil with drones, the erosion of habeas corpus, even the Boston controversy over Mirandizing the suspect). These are all symptoms that point to a more worrying big picture.

ehh if they're willing to be that dumb, they deserve to have their kids shot up.

And there goes my respect.

Lol, I also disagree that anyone who commits a crime has a mental problem LOLOL I just can't understand why someone would think that.

Consider it from the perspective that the US incarcerates more people than anywhere else in the world. People point to these issues because they feel (sometimes even subconsciously) that there is something deeply broken about the American justice system. Very rarely do they espouse the idea that everyone who commits crime has a mental problem; it's more that people are starting to view the whole criminal-justice-as-punitive mentality as counterproductive.

EDIT:

This is still Serious Discussion. One word posts are pretty expressly against the rules. Let's not force me to hand out more infractions in this topic. >.>

[Sinclair]

So, any crime?
If you jaywalk, you have a mental problem.
You smoke weed, mental problem.
You steal a chocolate bar, mental problem.

...

Okay I'm sorry I wasn't specific enough for your expectations.

I'm talking about major crimes, i.e. murder, robbery, burglary, grand theft, larceny, fraud, etc.

Everyone commits minor crimes. I doubt many people actually come to a complete and full stop at a stop sign, etc.

[Bunny]

And there goes my respect.

lol i wouldnt want your respect in the first placae, you think guns are good! why not ban bullets then! yu still have the right to bear arms!

[Sinclair]

ehh if they're willing to be that dumb, they deserve to have their kids shot up.

You, bunny, are a lovely person, but I can't say I agree with you.

I can now see why you feel the way you do. You must be very educated? Thank you for explaining this whole thing. I feel smarter for your help. Too bad we don't agree.

[Sinclair]

I don't need to deal with these children anymore. I'm taking the higher road and not posting in this thread and giving them the satisfaction of coming up with a half-minded response.

[Bunny]

You, bunny, are a dumb fucking bitch.

I can now see why you feel the way you do. How old are you? Do you even understand this whole thing? Are you even old enough to understand why we feel the way we do about this? Or are you just a closed minded asswipe?

lol and infraction. lol i'm 21 and i think if you think getting mental help will stop guns from firing i think you need to reevalutate some things.

[Lysergic]

lol i wouldnt want your respect in the first placae, you think guns are good! why not ban bullets then! yu still have the right to bear arms!

Where did I say "guns are good"?

Again, gross oversimplification. Hence my lack of respect.

[Bunny]

Where did I say "guns are good"?

Again, gross oversimplification. Hence my lack of respect.

no its just really not that crazy to make guns illegal. they are objects to take lives, lives are being taken, so take away the things that are killing people... other countries ban things all the time...

[Lysergic]

no its just really not that crazy to make guns illegal. they are objects to take lives, lives are being taken, so take away the things that are killing people... other countries ban things all the time...

Most other countries don't say that the rights to own weapons and defend yourself are "inalienable" (i.e. "can't be taken away") in their constitution.

If they want to ban guns across the board, I want a constitutional amendment. That's how rule of law is supposed to work. If you don't see the problem with not being strict about this stuff, then you probably don't see the problem with imprisoning someone for life without charges, based on an accusation of wrong doing (i.e. Guantanamo) or other flagrant violations of civil liberties.

[Bunny]

Most other countries don't say that the rights to own weapons and defend yourself are "inalienable" (i.e. "can't be taken away") in their constitution.

If they want to ban guns across the board, I want a constitutional amendment. That's how rule of law is supposed to work. If you don't see the problem with not being strict about this stuff, then you probably don't see the problem with imprisoning someone for life without charges, based on an accusation of wrong doing (i.e. Guantanamo) or other flagrant violations of civil liberties.

americans laws are archaic and just need updating! firstly, they need to make it harder to obtain the weapons and have stricter policies on whom to give them to. as a vegetarian i see no need for guns at all =P

[Lysergic]

americans laws are archaic and just need updating! firstly, they need to make it harder to obtain the weapons and have stricter policies on whom to give them to. as a vegetarian i see no need for guns at all =P

Eh. I enjoy having the freedom to go out to a gun range and pop a target full of holes. I could link you to statistics on gun violence versus use of guns in home invasion defense in America, but I feel like I'd be wasting my time.

[Bunny]

Eh. I enjoy having the freedom to go out to a gun range and pop a target full of holes. I could link you to statistics on gun violence versus use of guns in home invasion defense in America, but I feel like I'd be wasting my time.

you're clearly brainwashed its ok=)

[Cryptonic]

Eh. I enjoy having the freedom to go out to a gun range and pop a target full of holes. I could link you to statistics on gun violence versus use of guns in home invasion defense in America, but I feel like I'd be wasting my time.

lol? we have gun ranges here, too.
it's not like guns are banned, here... you just don't have a birth right to have one, you have to earn the right.

[Numbertwo]

you're clearly brainwashed its ok=)

I don't think you understand how high their crime rate is compared to the rest of the world. I would have wanted a gun if i lived there aswell.

But i don't think guns are the cause for their high crime rate.

[Lysergic]

lol? we have gun ranges here, too.
it's not like guns are banned, here... you just don't have a birth right to have one, you have to earn the right.

And Bunny was saying that all guns should be banned. That's what I was arguing against - not gun control but outright banning all guns.

[Bunny]

And Bunny was saying that all guns should be banned. That's what I was arguing against - not gun control but outright banning all guns.

i'm saying nobody needs personal weapons