Answering this first since it is simpler, get to the other one in a minute.
Comments that I am reacting to anything happening- the flip? I was flipping there when it was happening.
I gave my comments in REAL TIME. This is a legit misrep.
Well, I'll let you know. BananaCucho typed that she has, "hard read 20%, skimmed the rest"
yzb: "Are you going to catch up?"
BC: "From here on out yeah"
That means behind "here on"" she did not really read the thread.
And you're playing semantics.
You haven't adjusted thought about or analyzed anything.
Saying you're replying in real time doesn't excuse analysis or thought.
Second, even with the comments being there, banana's skim read is still reading. On ms, I don't even read half the games I sub into. Scum can justify anything or flail. Votes tell the story in the end.
How are you going to justify ignoring my request for reads?
And I'm out. Rope this motherscummer.
He was BLEEDING BLEEDING TOWN. Anybody giving him a fair chance and reading how he was feeling would have seen this. Not only was he building he reads and scum hunting- whilst pressured mind you, he was also busy showing us he was town. People that decided to lynch him and that are town should feel regret and reflect. You just justified for all the scum on his wagon, if there was one more than you.
Trash? You are trash. Scum = Trash in the thesaurus. You bemoaning the fact is indicative that you know you are trash. That's simply the role you rolled this game, nothing personal.You keep trying to associate me with bring trash which is far more offensive than Never Unlucky calling me dumb. Calling people trash is a hollow discrediting tactic that obscures from facts. You repeatedly use such tactics.
My bleeding town emotion was equivalent yesterday when everyone came to my defense when NU attacked me. This site has an ISO feature.
Everyone "coming to your defense" is made up. No one came to your defense, they simply pushed back at NU.
The site has an ISO feature that you fail to use. Try quoting. I already tried one quote, you can try the next.
That's not what I was trying to say. I said I was attempting to not to read emotions because more experienced players said in other games that it is interfering with my play. Whether or not I actually ignore my tendency to read emotions is another separate matter. As I said, ~48th hour I decided to go full space case to get reads.Second, dovetailing into your Followup post, you finally admit that you had no interest yesterday in reading my emotions at the time I reveal them to you. Yet, you expect me to believe that you're trying to reconsider your opinion when you ask now? When you don't even bother asking for my reads on substance at all?
I don't need reads from a scum read as it is a waste of time and a deceptive tactic. But you can give your reads if you wish.
People can go ahead and rip my posts apart logically, I just hope they do not miss my emotion when posting them. In fact, to compensate I add a little bit of logic into most of my posts in the hopes that it will also appeal to their logical side.Using emotion to manipulate is ok, if there's something to back it up with. Yet, there never is with you. That's why you don't want people to rip apart your posts logically. There's nothing there. Not once have you supported a read in this game.
Stop saying "nothing", this makes me believe you aren't reading the thread carefully. I've given reads on multiple players with a mix of emotional and logical reads, notable MiniZed and Never Unlucky and DarknessB.
Answered in like the post right above this one.You refuse to comment on major events, even when asked. When showed that even the minor points you make ("reactionary is scummy") are shown wrong, you act like they never exist rather than engaging.
I don't sell logic. Why do you think I was called a space case?You are nothing more than a two bit huckster trying to sell snake oil in a desperate plea to survive. Most scum can fake logic or emotion but not both. Your constant attempt to keep things away from substance and logic is indicative of someone who knows they cannot win by doing that do must pull at emotions.
Very interesting question. Answer in a separate post. In the meantime, give your own.It's time you give reads. I know you pretend I am scum, so do it twice. Once with me bring town. I can then ignore the one that says scum titus until you flip so I can see who you try to link me with.
pedit: lol you did not read the whole post of the post you responded to.
Reads list with what I actually think:
Three things that are seperate:
Gut- intuition
Heart- feelings
Mind- logic
DarknessB- Mind is perplexed about this player, always is when in the same game as him. Gut is questioning why his play is so vastly different than his other time's plays, which is mostly unfair meta that I have to reconcile with. Has pushed two trains and at the forefront- so mechanically(?) he is town
yzb25- willing to look at things from a different perspective (Eggy read) and to fight with the town leader (MattZed) keeps an open mind, which is helpful. I see just about nothing which could be a thing that he is using to deceive us. Hammered yesterday. Odd that MattZed ended up dying, but whatever.
MiniZed- always asking questions. My heart cannot tell me what he is thinking, but what he posts is definitely pro-town. A bit reactive in his scum reads of Gingerape and Never Unlucky from yesterday.
Eggy- Lurking town. Projecting some nice feelings in the posts that he does make, but they are so short they can be feigned easily. So could be lurking scum.
Mesk514- Tunnels mechanically so darn hard. Is what she says she is.
BananaCucho- Seemed like she townread (maybe slightly) NU from yesterday, yet seemed content just lynching him. Gives like no thought to how Titus is town. Does VCA informally.
GameFreak- Lurking scum.
Gingerape- Could be scum, probably not. Dunno why. Lurking town.
Titus- Reacted poorly to a pressure vote. Reactionary in a self-serving way. Throws shade on posts made against her by calling them shade. Refuses to quote her own posts. Disconnect between her thought and actions.
RIP NU.
post thought: Titus > GameFreak/BananaCucho > Eggy > Gingerape
Ran out of time to do if Titus was town thing. (its 1 am)
I would suspect Banana next if Titus was town. My read on DB would weaken, as he would have continued to push NU to get attention off Titus.
Reads on everyone else would stay about the same. Oh, read on Mesk would be near confirmed town at that point.
I won't be here for day end. Don't lynch me. Lynch Titus.
Vig shoot tonight please.
Alright guys , wasn't here yesterday so i'll be reading up and giving my thoughts.
Suprised MZ died last night , since he was the other train.
"The mammal, the Hippogame Freakus, has approached the thread with his typical entrance about the subpar attitude of neighboring creatures." Calix
I'm at page 17 right now. My thoughts of the day so far is as follows.
I believe DB and Yzb are fighting a TvT. They both give me a townvibe, DB from yesterday and yzb because he is giving an explanation for all his actions
and I can not find a single mistake in them. I would have expected scum yzb to have atleast made a questionable explanation but so far its all solid.
Something i found interesting is Eggy and Mesk are not interacting with eachother whatsoever. I don't know who else has been keeping count but they are not asking each other any questions or questioning each others behaviour. I always thought they got along really well so i find this really weird. They are giving me strong scumvibes.
The BZ-Titus combo is confusing me since scum wouldnt make it so obvious and if 1 dies the other goes too. I think they are either both town or one of them is buddying scum. Because as i said if 1 dies the other is likely to get lynched aswell.
There is one problem with this that i'm trying to figure out, if i go along with my theory that Eggy and Mesk are on the scumteam,
and if i go with BZ being the scum that wouldn't make much sense since Mesk's useless posts yesterday only focusing on BZ and Eggy now trying to lynch her.
that would point to Titus being the scum, but Titus got early pushed so hard D1 i also doubt she's the scum.
So for now i'm going to put them as T&T
That leaves Mini , Ginger and SP.
And i'm having a hard time deciding who would be scum in this mix.
MZ and SP are contributing and Ginger i can not put a read on.
So i'll tell you after i've read the last 2 pages if i can pick up on something.
"The mammal, the Hippogame Freakus, has approached the thread with his typical entrance about the subpar attitude of neighboring creatures." Calix
"The mammal, the Hippogame Freakus, has approached the thread with his typical entrance about the subpar attitude of neighboring creatures." Calix
I got tired after 2 pages but yeah definitely town SP no doubt in my mind
"The mammal, the Hippogame Freakus, has approached the thread with his typical entrance about the subpar attitude of neighboring creatures." Calix
"The mammal, the Hippogame Freakus, has approached the thread with his typical entrance about the subpar attitude of neighboring creatures." Calix
be back in roughly 4 hours.
"The mammal, the Hippogame Freakus, has approached the thread with his typical entrance about the subpar attitude of neighboring creatures." Calix
Is your town-read of Darkness purely from yesterday? Because given the situation it's been a big difference.
Why do you find yzb' logic solid? Which logic?
I don't think those two are the only ones not interacting. You could say the same about yourself and Ginger, regardless of slightly lurking it's not a strong case to use.
I don't see a high amount of solid information other then it would be too obvious. Why are you reading everyone together?
I don't get how you have all three of us together as null. Is it because you can't pair us?
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
I agree with banana. Mesk isn't happening. SP should. SP says that the tunnel by mesk on banana is mechanical. That's scummy as shit. Those reads are terrible. The "if Titus is town" reads are an afterthought with no effort because sp cannot put effort in, just words. He's creating alternative realities to justify his reads.
I am at SP, GameFreak, and Gingerape as scumbuddies. SP is the tank, while the other two lurk it out to swing a wagon on town at deadline. I have varying degrees of townreads on everyone else.
Which means if SP is town, I must be wrong on a townread somewhere. I would likely reread the yb/darkness fight in more detail. Gun to my head if sp town, YB would be scum.
Darkness had an awesome d1
YB just feels town and I don't get why those two are fighting.
Eggy reminds me of ms egg and therefore town.
MiniZed bleeds town when he engages and ignores BC's catch 22.
There is detail withheld due to time and major antitown eas from that.
Fuck I vaguely remember vowing by goat sacrifice not to lynch NU. Curse my hyperbolic language haha. I love drama. Honestly, I had kinda been convinced to lynch NU upwards of 15/20 mins before EOD, but I also wanted to smugly say things like "TROLOLOLOL I FEEL 95% SURE NU IS GETTING LYNCHED. WANNA KNOW WHY?! BOOM! PLOT TWIST!"Originally Posted by Eggy
Anyway, nah, the NU train was a joke. NU himself could see that. DB and maybe Minized (hazy memory) were the only ones who had reasons for scumreading NU that weren't pure shit. Titus gave reasons too, but when I started dismantling them, she stopped replying.
It wasn't just because it was the only possible lynch. It was because I thought the game would stagnate if I didn't "get it over with" - I wanted to end the NU vs. BC and Titus shitshow. I wanted the game to move forward, I didn't want 3 voters locked on eachother the following day. And I couldn't be arsed with sitting through another 48 hours of shitflinging.Originally Posted by Eggy
It's very reasonable to use your own experiences to inform your reads of others - that's the basis of empathy. However, not everyone thinks and sees the world like you do. Case and point the PL idea, which you still struggle to read from a scum perspective even lol.Originally Posted by Eggy
I do not regret lynching NU, and would do it again if I was teleported back to 5 minutes before day 1 end. Lynching someone I thought was town was a good decision in that situation. Ends justifying means and all that shit.
This almost implies if my posts were shitter you'd townread me XDDDDOriginally Posted by Eggy
And I am a Space Case. I'm a lunatic dammit I swear!
Real talk though, it seems like you're only scumreading BC because she defended me. See it from her side - your vote really looked like a scum hopping on the bandwagon. You can be easily misconstrued. And BC's uncooperative "nah you're scum no matter what lol" seems pretty NAI lol.
Also, why is it that one of me, Minized or BC have to be scum? Are you comfortable with sharing?
Anyway, I'm gonna post up some thoughts on every player, then place my vote.
Who's the idiot that doesn't realize I don't need to talk to Eggy. Eggy and I barely ever talk to each other in FM. That's what happens when you sleep with people. I know Eggy well enough to know he's defensive as fuck this game but calm. Eggy is also never AFK as scum.
So mom Eggy and I aren't scum together.
And you're an idiot.
@Gingerape is replacing out due to real-life commitments.
@JealousTL will be replacing him.
No, bullshit. You had 5 hours. You still have 3 hours. Give real reads. I probably won't post reads until 2 hours in, but it's saturday so enough people will likely be on to lynch whoever anyway.
Even if your reads are too late, delaying the time you take to post reads even more is ridiculous.
You're making references today about how "once you've figured it all out you'll be a formidable town blahblahblah".
Bullshit. What incredible, full-scum-team finding developed reads will you have tomorrow that you can't state now? Will a couple flips revolutionize your perspective?
-vote Titus
I want reads. I will post my reads. You will post your reads.
Fair?
Hello everyone!
Fortunately, I have been following the game, and have read just about every post in the thread as a silent observer. I will have to review some things that I didn't view from the perspective of a player, namely the train on NU. I remember while reading that I disagreed with almost everything that was going on during that period, both the train and NU's reaction to it.
I'm just playing games, I know that's plastic love. -- бум бум сучка!
It will be lylo tomorrow if we mislynch today. Your "wait for me to pull it all together" attitude looks like a scum's attempt to get out of giving the money reads until it's too late. If we follow your reads tomorrow and you turn out to be scum we'll be fucked. This is so dodgy.
@yzb25 Voting Titus to get them to "contribute more" on a day in which she is V/LA (ms term for vacation/less active) is pretty silly, even for a minty breathed one like yourself.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
Fuck tech errors
Ok, shit I saw deadline is in like 3 hours.
I am citizen.
You claim not aware of deadline? Meh, believable.
Anyway, I wasn't saying your reads were non-existent. I was saying they suck. You gave little reasoning despite painting yourself as a logic-freak in your debate with SP.
BC has elaborated to me - it seems when you said "little time" you were talking about vacation rather than day. I retract the hostility in my previous statements, but I'd sill like you to give deeper thoughts. I'm struggling to read you.
-unvote
Looks like a no lynch. I'm not lynching Titus
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Eggy, it is like 2 hours. It's 48 hour deadline.
You said you didn't wanna involve yourself in yzb vs Darkness because you wanted to sorta "let the tvt be forgotten".
However, it's possible to provide deeper commentary / thoughts from a placating position. i.e. "This is how I think Darknessb is town that misread, this is how I think yzb is town that misread".
People are struggling to trust you because you always seem to have a reason for why you can't provide deep thoughts on a player, apart from NU and SP.
I apologize for the lack of deeper thoughts to a limited extent if they are not perceived as such. Rather than having a chunk of time, I have been having 5-10 minutesish here and there. Articulated walls have been impossible unless there's a point in mind.
As for Darkness/YB, it appears to be a simple case of the man who disagrees is scum. If you two spoke about reads in detail and listened, that is the type of thing people tend to come around on if TvT. Interrupting that process just entrenches CONFBIAS deeper, interrupts my failsafe on if you are TvT and prevents sp from getting the attention to expose them as a fraud. I cannot psychically determine why you are wrong because I haven't seen any noteworthy coherent reason on why darkness is scum despite the volume. If you could sum up why darkness is scum simply, do so. Like bullet points.
Mine is simple for SP
They have shaded everyone here in the game or almost everyone
They make not attempts at town cohesion
They deflect when accused
Reactionary is townb not scummy
Pressure on slots to discredit is a thing
Well, I've only just finished eating. I'm so behind schedule. I guess I can just post thoughts on DB separately.
Don't townread DB for strong posts during first 24 hours of d1. It's easy to make good points at that time for a player like DB.
Don't townread DB for "playing to town meta". That's stupid when he's aware of his own meta and has skill to feign one meta or other. That's lazy, he's a better player than that.
All he's done today, mostly, is tunnel me. Not bad in and of itself - pressure vote / experiment vote can be productive. However, it should be followed up with a swift conclusion or what's the point? e.g.
"yzb has good explanations *lifts vote*" or
"yzb is scum, look at overreaction *transition to real vote*" or
"look at Eggy jumping on bandwagon. 2 ez *votes Eggy*"
To do this kind of post then leave is terrible. And remember, this pressure vote was planned / preempted, at least to some extent. Within less than ten mins of daystart he had setup reasoning and planted vote. No followup is dodgy.
He hasn't given any substantial thoughts on a broad range of players since d1start. Feel like he's cruising on back of initial good posts. His push on me reminds me of his scumplay in a game we played together long ago - "SFM Lady Death" where he used superior arguing to try and get me mislynched.
I accept this may be my bias due to "he scumreads me so he must be scum", and he may just be MIA recently.
His arguments against me also had loads of fallacies. Wallpost points that out. Makes me feel like he doesn't have real points. Makes me feel like he's aware but evil. Also used loads of falllacies in Lady Death. He wasn't so fallacious with NU, if I remember correctly, so NOT something he does indiscriminately. Saved for me, feels like.
Radio silence until EoD most likely
I promise to review your darkness case.
Can you meanwhile look at SP's ISO. Bold every sentence has has the word shade, lurking, lacks contribution, decries logic or anything similar. You should see your screen jump out into a sea of bold.