S-FM 197: Sandbox

[Gyrlander]

I also want to note that I want to see more from: Gyrlander (I am happy to see you're actually gonna try and instead not sheep... *thumbs up*)

You just my vote on Funce, and you know it

[Titus]

OK Town, If I am right about Kovath (which I think I am) I will likely die tonight. I haven't figured out a way to do a will yet and it is very important that I can make a will, but be aware that it could very well be changed given one of the possible Mafia roles. Almost everyone (if not everyone) who has given a read on me has said I am town. This means I have a really good chance of dying tonight. If I am right about Kovath and he doesn't get lynched today and I die tomorrow, please take a really good look at him tomorrow.

Yeah, if I have anything to say about it, we're going to be kicking for awhile.

I agree with the rest.

[G4slight]

I like more about the post then I dislike, as I can see why he got the reads that he did, however it read like he was playing it safe. Which yes is me mentioning his fencesitting, more so to get something concrete from him

@Titus

[Quick]

this:
1-Talboturbo's scum read list could be compared to Funces plays as they both are completely fluffy and vague. Sure, he gave his opinions but his opinion was literally everyone neutral except for yourself.

Sure, but talbo is a complete newb and is playing like a complete Town newb. I can't say the same for Funce.

2-If Funce were to give an actual read as opposed to wasting precious text post space would you reconsider?

Its not about whether or not someone gives a reads list. Reads list is easy to fake, so just because someone provides one doesn't mean diddly to me.

3-It really bothers me that your argument for voting Kovath is so weak.

I'll give you that its based on a first impression, but my reads based on first impression are not weak.

4-So because titus has actually said something and it was pro you she's a town lean?

You might want to go back and read some of the recent things I have said on my read of Titus. I said I'm watching something she said and depending on that it could paint her to be much more scummy.

5-Like Firebringer mentioned, how do you have Unknown under Null if you're going to advocate for him. You shouldn't defend someone unless you truly believe they're innocent, or atleast innocent for the moment.

What gives you the impression that I am advocating for Unknown? I said he's a bad lynch today, not that I think he is Town.

6*- G4slight slides in with a list that pretty much summarizes everyones general opinion more than gives his own opinion. Thoughts?

That's a valid observation. I am not solid on my read of G4 atm and it very well could change. There is a reason why I asked how much experience he has had playing. People play at different levels based on how much they have played and IDK for certain how much experience or what level he is playing at yet. He could be playing dumb for all I know.

I'm not going to argue with you whether I believe you are town or not at the moment, regardless I think you're wrong.
You're pushing a lynch on someone based on his defence 100 posts into the game even though he did produce some sort of content.

I'm not going to explain my leans as at the moment I still have questions, and I still want to see a certain interaction first & listen to the AFK people.

K, what do you think I am wrong about? And why?
Just because people produce content does not mean they are town. Scum can create content as well.

I'm not going to push you for read for a while yet because I think you are town. What you say in this last sentence is totally fair.

[AIVION]

You just my vote on Funce, and you know it

LOL xD

[Firebringer]

Guys, I haven't eaten breakfest and I am probably skipping lunch.
HELP THE HUNGER!!!

Ohh and I am leaning more scum on AIVION given that read list.

[Quick]

Guys, I haven't eaten breakfest and I am probably skipping lunch.
HELP THE HUNGER!!!

Ohh and I am leaning more scum on AIVION given that read list.

I suggest you eat some bacon pronto Fire.

What was wrong with the reads list?

[Firebringer]

I suggest you eat some bacon pronto Fire.

What was wrong with the reads list?

It was so similar to yours and he didn't explain why they were similar, and i don't think its coincidence due to the coloring he used.

Also going to be gone for the next 5-6 hours. So I will see you guys later.

[Unknown1234]

Hello scum.

-vote Quick

I should have known.

Actually you are being too bad to ignore:

-vote Funce

WTF is my arson play?

Back to back posts, back to back votes. Two things bother me about this.

1.) Why is someone mentioning an Arsonist this early in the game? that just seems weird no matter what circumstances.
2.) He voted twice back to back. Can he not make a decision?

This is a Town post.

Fire, vote Kovath with me, this wagon is going places.

Why so soon? At this point mislynching isnt possible until the end now but your a little determined to get someone killed.

So you don't have anything more substantive to go off of, just your "gut feeling", proclamations of previous proficiency, and insinuations that I am scum thinly veiled in rhetorical question form. Got it.

You say you're best at the beginning and at the end. Explain more about your midgame, then.

You seem rather defensive. Why don't you give intel on other players instead of just defending yourself (i understand, i do it too, just something that needs to be considered). Defending yourself accomplishes nothing.

I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P

Very Anti-Town attitude. Why would you want to ignore someone in the game until your certain that they are Jester? Taking this into consideration.

I've played a lot on other sites, but it's been a little over a year since my last game. I'd say I am fairly experienced. I get a lot of gut readings and will usually dig deeper in on those. I also "beat the grass to look for snakes". Not everyone likes my gut reads and logic from them, but I find scum to slip the most under that type of pressure.

You seem to be over-confident with this post. It has not been a while for you perhaps, but aside from that your confident you can catch scum. Seems too comfortable at the moment...

We aren't going to have an argument based on what tunneling qualifies for.
Your reaction to pressure hasn't given me much so far.

Do you think Quick is scum for pushing you?

Maybe i missed this question. No, i don't think people are scum for having an opinion. Also, i have yet to see much pushing from him on me anyways?

okay cool, but just because you were a pro scum hunter one game doesn't mean you're pro scum hunter this game. Please show us.

Nice quote. Very sensible, people often try to manipulate the players with "past experience" as a ally boost.

There was another game too. and another. I can link a few if you like. The game I played right before this I caught scum by the 11 post like I said. I'll only link if people don't believe me.

Not my favourite quote. No one needs to hear about your "past experience" as stated above. If you want some credit, scum hunt this game.

Make your case on Unknown. That is prolly one of the worst lynches I can think of at this time.

You think i am town? Why? I have yet to see any posts from you indicating this, and i am interested as to why you think i am innocent.

Agree but not to the extent that you seem to.

She seems to be more productive now, but I had actually had a slight scum lean on her after that big breakdown post, since she seemed to be calling out Unknown for lack of content, when her own content wasn't of the highest level. She has picked up her frequency to some degree and the posts seem to feel "solid" for lack of a better word. So I am more inclined to put her in the null to town category atm.

Also agree there seems to be a readiness for you to accept her, your acknowledging it is a null tell either way.

Your content isn't always perfect this game either. Trust me, Mesk's comments are of a higher quality, and so i feel more confident in her this game then i have in the previous games.
No need for this vote anyways.

-unvote

Oh God. Could votes be more spread?? I'll read and post in about some minutes/ hours :P

Do spread out votes concern you. It's better they are spread out, so we know how people are actually feeling at this point on who should be lynched.

Players that I have a read on them: Mesk - Seems a little tryhard after she got PEW PEW PEW'd. Town inspiration (kawaii)

Funce: I don't really have anything to say. He just have erratic votes and makes fun of everyone!?!??! Dumb or mafia. I'll vote him as I think he's scummy than little FireBringer :__)

-vote Funce

If you can give us a reads list, it would be appreciated.

Town:
Talboturbo
Mesk514

Town lean:
Titus
Firebringer
G4slight

Null:
AIVION
Ika
Gyrlander
Unknown1234

Scum Lean:
Funce

Scum:
Kovath

Very null. can you try to organize people so that we can see where you put everyone? Even if it's "very light town or scum" that is better than nothing. Ika and AIVION are exceptions.

So without all my null to scum, scum lean, scum, null to town, town lean, town reading's I'm just going to make another more black and white list as to people who are either town/Null/Scum

TOWN

Mesk
Quick

Null

Firebringer
Grylander
Unknown
Avion
Talbo

SCUM

Kovath
Titus
Fence
Ika

There are way too many nulls, can you please try to put them somewhere? Otherwise Null opinions have no value.

Thank you AIVION, i notice that you have started posting more. Ika, i understand you are busy, but any post is better then nothing. Gyrl, Stop sheeping around its no good.

[Quick]

I did not like #259.. at all.

You completely whiff on the fact that fire is in all likelihood being fire and is just goofing around at this stage of the game.

I never said you are Town. I did once, but I retracted that.

Anyways, this post was beyond lackluster. That's why you get scummy points for it. Like where is the critical thinking in your analyzations? Its just way too easy to do that as Scum so that is why I hated that catchup post.

[AIVION]

It was so similar to yours and he didn't explain why they were similar, and i don't think its coincidence due to the coloring he used.

Also going to be gone for the next 5-6 hours. So I will see you guys later.

I will admit I did find inspiration for the coloring on his reads list since it looked pretty, but I explained my reasonings for my reads.

See ya.

[G4slight]

@Quick I am pretty sure I've quoted and given reason as to almost all of my posts, excepting the joke post about Firebringer's breakfast options, so for you to jump along when Mesk suggests that I've just been following along with other people that seems kind of odd.

@unknown Those are my reads at the moment, not my in depth ones just the ones that fall into the hard 3 categories. I can expand it and go into sub categories which everyone will then have a spot.

TOWN

Quick

TOWN LEAN

Mesk

TOWN to NULL

Firebringer

NULL to SCUM

Grylander
Avion
Talbo
Unknown (especially after reading through it feels that you're kinda missrepping me and starting to buddy with Mesk)

SCUM LEAN

Funce
Ika

SCUM

Titus
Kovath

Also, I never stated that I have the best posts or anything like that, I was just stating my initial reading of Mesk and why I had it. I also never said I was confident about my scum catching ability on this site, was just trying to give you all a little bit of meta on me, since we have never played together before. I'm also not sure how you got that from my post.

[Quick]

@G4slight ,

You're still a town lean, I am just not that confident in that read atm.

[Firebringer]

I am still busy and likely going to go eat....hmmm food.

[Mesk514]

I have stuff to add but I have to go... Probably will be back online at 8 or 9 EST

[Unknown1234]

Let me Start by sharing my opinion on EVERYONE.

Gyrlander:

Oh God. Could votes be more spread?? I'll read and post in about some minutes/ hours :P

Why the votes being spread should not be a concern. This post is not to my liking. Votes being spread out means we can see people acting differently once someone votes them. Usually when people vote someone, that person reacts in a way that could possibly give away their allignment. I don't see any reason why this would be a bad thing.

Players that I have a read on them: Mesk - Seems a little tryhard after she got PEW PEW PEW'd. Town inspiration (kawaii)

Funce: I don't really have anything to say. He just have erratic votes and makes fun of everyone!?!??! Dumb or mafia. I'll vote him as I think he's scummy than little FireBringer :__)

-vote Funce

Why do you only feel the need to share your opinion on two people? This makes me oddly suspicious. Also, there is a huge lack of evidence towards Funce in your argument anyways.

You just my vote on Funce, and you know it

Shit posting. why is the need to use a necessary for your post? It seems like a big distraction towards what really needs to be addressed.

G4slight:

TBH after reading through his spam fest I've already put him on the back burner, but not completely.

You don't seem to overlook him at much after this point. I also don't think that this was justified enough. The whole "Jester" thing is a really bad argument, especially considering there are many people playing Jester right now.

I haven't noticed much in G4's posts that make me question his Town allignment, but i will continue to seek for more.

Quick:

@G4slight ,

You're still a town lean, I am just not that confident in that read atm.

Not liking this post. "I think you are town, but i don't believe in my thinking." That is ideally what you are saying. Don't put someone at town until you can actually believe what you write. To me it still looks like Quick is buddying with everyone.

OK Town, If I am right about Kovath (which I think I am) I will likely die tonight. I haven't figured out a way to do a will yet and it is very important that I can make a will, but be aware that it could very well be changed given one of the possible Mafia roles. Almost everyone (if not everyone) who has given a read on me has said I am town. This means I have a really good chance of dying tonight. If I am right about Kovath and he doesn't get lynched today and I die tomorrow, please take a really good look at him tomorrow.

Not a fan of this post. You "think" that Kovath is scum, and if he is you will "likely die tonight". Why do you talk as if everything is "possible" if you can't even believe what you are writing then why do you expect other people to listen to you. These words are something i would expect from a scum that is trying to get lynches without seeming too hostile. Also telling everyone you have a "good chance of dying tonight" Is either trying to accomplish one of two things:
1.) Make town believe you and try to build up players who will defend you, hoping that it looks like your teammates won't attack you and that you must be confirmed.
2.) Try to get people to save you from "a good chance of dying" which seems unlikely at this point.

I am not seeing anything condemning about Ika and Titus, but this could very well be due to you not knowing the history between these people. I've played with both on a different site, so I am a little bit more willing to believe the interrelation between the two. Titus did say something that I am watching closely though. There is a reason why Titus isn't in my hard town list, but so far she is either Null or Town lean for me. I don't want to give her too much credit this early cuz I know Titus has a mean scum game. Ika is just Null right now because I can't say I see anything super sus at this point and AFAIK Ika has a pretty scummy meta.

I'm starting to like you. Let me get this straight: I feel like you've already started buddying with your old friends, am i right? The words "I can't say i see anything super sus at this point" i can answer that one for you. Ika has TWO posts, and it hasn't occured to you yet that two posts is not enough to try to push someone for? Also, considering 1/2 posts was a vote, why don't you see Ika suspicious? This really worries me. As for Titus, care to share to us why she isn't evil? I don't think i have seen any opinion on her from you yet.

I shall move on. AIVION:

Alright, woke up recently and just got done catching up. This is where my read list lies so far from what I've seen:

Town:
Quick
G4slight
Mesk


Town lean:
Firebringer


Null:
Titus
ika
Gyrlander
Talboturbo

Scum lean:
Unknown
Kovath

Scum:
Funce
Kovath

Not liking Kovath's early interactions. His self-defense felt a bit premature and everything after that felt really fake, sort of like a scum trying to appear as town... example posts are #141 and #171. Overall it's really hard to see him actually appear town to me after what I've seen of him.

Unknown was null when I was first going through, but as soon as he started going at it with Mesk he starts to appear a bit scummy to me... example posts are #181 and #196 where he's trying to use meta to throw shade on a player who's actively scum-reading him... this is NOT a pro-town move in any sort of way.

Funce in general is just... Blargh. Nothing but Troll posts and fluff all the way through. He even actively admits he's lurking on #151... I personally feel like #110 is his worst post though... His play was inexcusable to me... No town should have to wait for people to interact with him in order to actively contribute, as he stated in #110. Nothing wrong with trying to settle into a game, but you're doing it in the worst kind of way possible.

I also want to note that I want to see more from: Gyrlander (I am happy to see you're actually gonna try and instead not sheep... *thumbs up*), Talboturbo (He reminds me of my first few FM games, and I really feel like he can really provide good insight to the town if he just tries.)

So yea, on that note:

-vote Funce

Your argument against Funce is not very strong. "Nothing but useless Troll posts and fluff" but Funce is NOT the only one doing this, why do you not look into others rather then just Funce? You also only comment on 4/11 other people in the game, why is this?

LOL xD

Anyone wonder why i picked this quote? Because it is a reply to the exact same thing AIVION just said he didn't want Funce doing: Troll Posting. It is a spam of Sheep. Is that not trolling or something?

Not much else to go off of. Expecting more i hope.

Firebringer:

Guys, I haven't eaten breakfest and I am probably skipping lunch.
HELP THE HUNGER!!!

Ohh and I am leaning more scum on AIVION given that read list.

But why? Can you please explain this a bit more, because you can't randomly accuse someone and say "Because i don't like their reads list" this is lacking in common sense, i don't know why you act like this sometimes because i know that you have a lot of important thoughts and scum reading.

Rep power might be the most hilarious reason I ever heard to vote someone up.

They have a different name for that here.

"Right for the wrong reasons" is called the firebriner effect.
:P

@Funce But we love you anyways.

Lots of trolling. Although i believe he is one of the more Town Trolls i have seen in this game. You know you can do better

Okay Quick, I trust you for now.

And I want to trust TItus.

-vote Kovath

Not really a big fan of "Trust Votes" because it takes away the point of having a vote. You are supposed to decide on what YOU THINK, not what others think. What if you were to be blindly following someone and they end up happening to be scum?

Funce:

I haven't targeted you Quick.
At all.
I'm only trying to get into the game. I have a tendency to lurk when people don't talk to me.
So I'm making myself some discussion.

and I did just kick us out of RVS.

Instead of lurking when people do not talk to you, why don't you ask them questions so that they have a reason to talk to you instead of just lurking. The whole point of this game as a town is to try to find out who is scum, and by lurking it really defeats this whole purpose.

Number two is always true regardless of Alignment. I'm afraid of Failure.

This is just a huge Stereotype. You can't just assume people are scum because of what # their post was, this is illogical as a town member.

Most of the rest of Funce is "Troll Posting" so i will stop here.

I will continue the second half in a bit, i need some fresh air.

[Quick]

@Unknown1234 , you are severely neglecting the human component of personality in your analysis. That actually scares me, because it shows that the only way you know how to read people is based on what they actually do and doesn't even consider the motive or the person. I have a real problem with this as a viable strategy to accurately read people. I do pretty much the opposite. Like scum can make shit up and you would potentially just be swallowing that stuff whole if it makes sense.

[Unknown1234]

@Unknown1234 , you are severely neglecting the human component of personality in your analysis. That actually scares me, because it shows that the only way you know how to read people is based on what they actually do and doesn't even consider the motive or the person. I have a real problem with this as a viable strategy to accurately read people. I do pretty much the opposite. Like scum can make shit up and you would potentially just be swallowing that stuff whole if it makes sense.

I am well aware that my posts have all been negative comments thus far. But that doesn't mean that I don't think about those things, i post these because they are comments that stick out to me as being possibly scum. As for how I read people, I don't know why I am not allowed to read people differently from you.

If this is NOT why you meant, specify and I will add to my response.

[Quick]

I am well aware that my posts have all been negative comments thus far. But that doesn't mean that I don't think about those things, i post these because they are comments that stick out to me as being possibly scum. As for how I read people, I don't know why I am not allowed to read people differently from you.

If this is NOT why you meant, specify and I will add to my response.

I don't really care at all how negative you are as long as you are catching scum. I don't like the idea of attributing reasons as evidence of you read rather than just telling why you read someone a particular way. If all you do is Post about what someone did and never mention the motive behind why they did what they did, that makes for a rather easy way to mask the way you play scum. Its way harder for scum to fake that they have reasoned out the motive than it is for town to do so. That's why I am almost universally town read at this point in the game on day 1, because people know that. Giving shallow reasons will never make you a super strong town player. Where I agree is that you do need to look at the actions that people do and that should be the baseline, but that is only valid if the motive is aligning with the action. That's why in the court of law, there needs to be a motive, otherwise there is no way to prove that that person had any reason to commit the crime. Scum can give what people do as evidence all day long, but it is the "because" that is harder for scum to fake. So even though people may not agree with my reasons on why someone is scum, they will still be reading me as town and that is one less potential mis-lynch off the table.

[Gyrlander]

I'll answer to Unknown cute post:

1. Votes being spread means no pressure for players, which is needed to see how players react to that, giving us scum hints.
2. I only shared my opinion of only two people because the rest didn't give me any special ping. You can consider everyone else Neutral for me.
3. You don't like sheeps? Sorry, but it is MY emoticon. I HAVE COPYRIGHT AND I CAN SPAM IT ALL I WANT

[Kovath]

Let me Start by sharing my opinion on EVERYONE.

Gyrlander:


Why the votes being spread should not be a concern. This post is not to my liking. Votes being spread out means we can see people acting differently once someone votes them. Usually when people vote someone, that person reacts in a way that could possibly give away their allignment. I don't see any reason why this would be a bad thing.


Why do you only feel the need to share your opinion on two people? This makes me oddly suspicious. Also, there is a huge lack of evidence towards Funce in your argument anyways.


Shit posting. why is the need to use a necessary for your post? It seems like a big distraction towards what really needs to be addressed.

G4slight:


You don't seem to overlook him at much after this point. I also don't think that this was justified enough. The whole "Jester" thing is a really bad argument, especially considering there are many people playing Jester right now.

I haven't noticed much in G4's posts that make me question his Town allignment, but i will continue to seek for more.

Quick:


Not liking this post. "I think you are town, but i don't believe in my thinking." That is ideally what you are saying. Don't put someone at town until you can actually believe what you write. To me it still looks like Quick is buddying with everyone.



Not a fan of this post. You "think" that Kovath is scum, and if he is you will "likely die tonight". Why do you talk as if everything is "possible" if you can't even believe what you are writing then why do you expect other people to listen to you. These words are something i would expect from a scum that is trying to get lynches without seeming too hostile. Also telling everyone you have a "good chance of dying tonight" Is either trying to accomplish one of two things:
1.) Make town believe you and try to build up players who will defend you, hoping that it looks like your teammates won't attack you and that you must be confirmed.
2.) Try to get people to save you from "a good chance of dying" which seems unlikely at this point.



I'm starting to like you. Let me get this straight: I feel like you've already started buddying with your old friends, am i right? The words "I can't say i see anything super sus at this point" i can answer that one for you. Ika has TWO posts, and it hasn't occured to you yet that two posts is not enough to try to push someone for? Also, considering 1/2 posts was a vote, why don't you see Ika suspicious? This really worries me. As for Titus, care to share to us why she isn't evil? I don't think i have seen any opinion on her from you yet.

I shall move on. AIVION:


Your argument against Funce is not very strong. "Nothing but useless Troll posts and fluff" but Funce is NOT the only one doing this, why do you not look into others rather then just Funce? You also only comment on 4/11 other people in the game, why is this?



Anyone wonder why i picked this quote? Because it is a reply to the exact same thing AIVION just said he didn't want Funce doing: Troll Posting. It is a spam of Sheep. Is that not trolling or something?

Not much else to go off of. Expecting more i hope.

Firebringer:


But why? Can you please explain this a bit more, because you can't randomly accuse someone and say "Because i don't like their reads list" this is lacking in common sense, i don't know why you act like this sometimes because i know that you have a lot of important thoughts and scum reading.





Lots of trolling. Although i believe he is one of the more Town Trolls i have seen in this game. You know you can do better



Not really a big fan of "Trust Votes" because it takes away the point of having a vote. You are supposed to decide on what YOU THINK, not what others think. What if you were to be blindly following someone and they end up happening to be scum?

Funce:


Instead of lurking when people do not talk to you, why don't you ask them questions so that they have a reason to talk to you instead of just lurking. The whole point of this game as a town is to try to find out who is scum, and by lurking it really defeats this whole purpose.



This is just a huge Stereotype. You can't just assume people are scum because of what # their post was, this is illogical as a town member.

Most of the rest of Funce is "Troll Posting" so i will stop here.

I will continue the second half in a bit, i need some fresh air.

In this post you ask a lot of questions, it seems rhetorically. You should be answering those questions for yourself rather than leaving them open-ended. First, it helps define your read for yourself. Second, it defines your read for everyone else, so the town can see the conclusion that you are reaching from start to finish and in turn read that content. As it is, leaving it open-ended basically creates room where other people have to answer the questions themselves, whether their answer is what you might or might not be insinuating, so there are times we have to guess at what -you- actually think about it.

In some ways it's more scummy than towny tbh, because subconciously readers tailor their mental responses to how they think as town, thereby ultimately leaving you with a more towny impression than your words themselves suggest.

A separate point: I think you are misrepping Quick here, because I didn't get the impression of Quick deliberately buddying with people, just that most people seem to be reading him as town for now.

[ika]

just got back can someone give me an update real quick i can start glanicnig but i cant do a full read on righ tnow

[Quick]

just got back can someone give me an update real quick i can start glanicnig but i cant do a full read on righ tnow

Fire thinks AIVION's read list was scummy. Unknown1234 had a couple easy posts to make. G4 is either derp town posting or Scum. Mesk is far too bitchy to be scum (at this point that is what I am thinking). Kovath has started a narrative and isn't reacting badly anymore (but I still this they are scum). Talbo has been lurking as well as Funce. Titus is being Titus and acting all cryptic like. AIVION made one content post with reads.

[Quick]

Fire thinks AIVION's read list was scummy. Unknown1234 had a couple easy posts to make. G4 is either derp town posting or Scum. Mesk is far too bitchy to be scum (at this point that is what I am thinking). Kovath has started a narrative and isn't reacting badly anymore (but I still this they are scum). Talbo has been lurking as well as Funce. Titus is being Titus and acting all cryptic like. AIVION made one content post with reads.

The one I didn't mention hasn't done much except be silly and make joke points.

[Unknown1234]

In this post you ask a lot of questions, it seems rhetorically. You should be answering those questions for yourself rather than leaving them open-ended. First, it helps define your read for yourself. Second, it defines your read for everyone else, so the town can see the conclusion that you are reaching from start to finish and in turn read that content. As it is, leaving it open-ended basically creates room where other people have to answer the questions themselves, whether their answer is what you might or might not be insinuating, so there are times we have to guess at what -you- actually think about it.

In some ways it's more scummy than towny tbh, because subconciously readers tailor their mental responses to how they think as town, thereby ultimately leaving you with a more towny impression than your words themselves suggest.

A separate point: I think you are misrepping Quick here, because I didn't get the impression of Quick deliberately buddying with people, just that most people seem to be reading him as town for now.

So I'm a little confused when you say that I don't share my opinion, the reason I post these posts is because of how I feel about them (for the most part is stated within the questions) where at this point people can pitch in and give feedback on how they feel.
Are you telling me how to vote Kovath? Because I don't care if 'most people' are Town-Reading Quick.

If it isn't obvious, I stand out. And I don't know why your telling me my opinion is wrong because that is Suh a scum thing to say considering it's not about you.

[Unknown1234]

The one I didn't mention hasn't done much except be silly and make joke points.

Don't forget Quick, the one who thinks so highly of himself and who believes he is the town leader

[ika]

why havent we lynched titus then if shes being cryptic?

quick can you do post numbers for refrence that i should quick see? i jsut got food im prob just gonna read this page and be done cus right now i odnt got time till about sunday

[Quick]

Don't forget Quick, the one who thinks so highly of himself and who believes he is the town leader

There's no reason to get butt hurt, jeeze. Glad you've come around that I am Town though.

[Gyrlander]

The one I didn't mention hasn't done much except be silly and make joke points.

Thank you very much, mister.

[Gyrlander]

If you guys want me a large post classifying each player you won't get that from me on Day 1. I've learned my lesson from other games and no one has flipped, giving us hints. What you're doing is making pre associations.

[Quick]

212, my reads, 159 182 Mesk bitch, 198 G4 derp post, 242 Titus crypticness, 248 AIVIONs read, 251 Gyrlander jokes, 259 and 266 underwhelming Unknown post,

[Quick]

Thank you very much, mister.

Sorry, didn't have your name down, but I do now.

[ika]

212, my reads, 159 182 Mesk bitch, 198 G4 derp post, 242 Titus crypticness, 248 AIVIONs read, 251 Gyrlander jokes, 259 and 266 underwhelming Unknown post,

ok ill read this tommorw morning, i jsut ate and im tired.

[Firebringer]

ok ill read this tommorw morning, i jsut ate and im tired.

You promised this yesterday.

[G4slight]

Fire thinks AIVION's read list was scummy. Unknown1234 had a couple easy posts to make. G4 is either derp town posting or Scum. Mesk is far too bitchy to be scum (at this point that is what I am thinking). Kovath has started a narrative and isn't reacting badly anymore (but I still this they are scum). Talbo has been lurking as well as Funce. Titus is being Titus and acting all cryptic like. AIVION made one content post with reads.

I really don't see what I've posted can be classified as derp town tbh, but I may be partial. Would love for you to enlighten me.

[Kovath]

So I'm a little confused when you say that I don't share my opinion, the reason I post these posts is because of how I feel about them (for the most part is stated within the questions) where at this point people can pitch in and give feedback on how they feel.
Are you telling me how to vote Kovath? Because I don't care if 'most people' are Town-Reading Quick.

If it isn't obvious, I stand out. And I don't know why your telling me my opinion is wrong because that is Suh a scum thing to say considering it's not about you.

What part of my post was telling you how to vote? What I did was state my impression that what you called Quick buddying with others, I saw as just other people townreading him. Which component of my statement is telling you that to townread him at all?

Don't misrepresent my points in order to try and score a scum-hit on me.

[Quick]

I really don't see what I've posted can be classified as derp town tbh, but I may be partial. Would love for you to enlighten me.

Post 198 where I think it was fire who had to correct you about the inactives. Basically weird reads in a way that it wasn't because of what your reads were. But I am glad you responded to that.

[Firebringer]

I am really tempted to swing a policy lynch on Ika for just the "I am too busy for this game"

[Quick]

@powerofdeath , Just asking for clarification on Voting rules.

If and only if everyone votes for the same person is the only way the day ends early, correct? Otherwise a lynch is only made if >50% of people vote for someone by EOD?

[Kovath]

I am really tempted to swing a policy lynch on Ika for just the "I am too busy for this game"

Real life happens, so I don't think it'd be beneficial to go that direction right now, especially with promised activity (though it has not been forthcoming as of yet). My intense dislike for lurkers has been documented before but it hasn't reached that point yet imo.

[Kovath]

@powerofdeath, Just asking for clarification on Voting rules.

If and only if everyone votes for the same person is the only way the day ends early, correct? Otherwise a lynch is only made if >50% of people vote for someone by EOD?

A skip day occurs if 51% or more of the people do not vote (=skip). Otherwise, the person with the most votes gets lynched. Unless Gallis or other mechanics happen.

[Quick]

I am really tempted to swing a policy lynch on Ika for just the "I am too busy for this game"

There is a 10 post limit per game day, I don't think Ika wants to go out that way. Lets just wait and see for now.

[Quick]

A skip day occurs if 51% or more of the people do not vote (=skip). Otherwise, the person with the most votes gets lynched. Unless Gallis or other mechanics happen.

K thanks.

[Firebringer]

Real life happens, so I don't think it'd be beneficial to go that direction right now, especially with promised activity (though it has not been forthcoming as of yet). My intense dislike for lurkers has been documented before but it hasn't reached that point yet imo.

I understand real life happens, but this is such a pattern with Ika.

[G4slight]

Post 198 where I think it was fire who had to correct you about the inactives. Basically weird reads in a way that it wasn't because of what your reads were. But I am glad you responded to that.

Thanks, but also as a side note, I wasn't calling fire an inactive or the other people that I named. I was grouping inactive as a group of people, the people I named specifically were also null and not under the inactive umbrella, but that's just semantics. May I ask why you were glad I responded?

[Quick]

Thanks, but also as a side note, I wasn't calling fire an inactive or the other people that I named. I was grouping inactive as a group of people, the people I named specifically were also null and not under the inactive umbrella, but that's just semantics. May I ask why you were glad I responded?

Because it would say way more about your alignment if you didn't respond. I wouldn't go so far as to say you get big Townie points for it, but it will help me reading you going forward. If I know you are going to respond to things that helps a lot knowing that I can depend on you to give an answer, which, because of clarity and openness, does give you some townie points.

[Quick]

Man this game is slow af. Someone give me something to analyze.

[Unknown1234]

In this post you ask a lot of questions, it seems rhetorically. You should be answering those questions for yourself rather than leaving them open-ended. First, it helps define your read for yourself. Second, it defines your read for everyone else, so the town can see the conclusion that you are reaching from start to finish and in turn read that content. As it is, leaving it open-ended basically creates room where other people have to answer the questions themselves, whether their answer is what you might or might not be insinuating, so there are times we have to guess at what -you- actually think about it.

In some ways it's more scummy than towny tbh, because subconciously readers tailor their mental responses to how they think as town, thereby ultimately leaving you with a more towny impression than your words themselves suggest.

A separate point: I think you are misrepping Quick here, because I didn't get the impression of Quick deliberately buddying with people, just that most people seem to be reading him as town for now.

Remember Kovath, I might interprete what you say it ways you did not mean for me to. My point is you saying "I think you are misrepoing Quick here" and "most people seem to be reading him as town for now". I look at it as telling me to town read him because your telling me I'm misrepping him, but that doesn't mean that I need to agree with you. The last part especially, why are you telling me a lot of people are town reading him? The only way i see hat is you trying to get me to swap my suspicion onto someone else

As for Ika, day ends in less than 24, give Ika a chance. Worse comes to worse we can think about it tomorrow, but I expect something from Ika to come.

[Quick]

Remember Kovath, I might interprete what you say it ways you did not mean for me to. My point is you saying "I think you are misrepoing Quick here" and "most people seem to be reading him as town for now". I look at it as telling me to town read him because your telling me I'm misrepping him, but that doesn't mean that I need to agree with you. The last part especially, why are you telling me a lot of people are town reading him? The only way i see hat is you trying to get me to swap my suspicion onto someone else

As for Ika, day ends in less than 24, give Ika a chance. Worse comes to worse we can think about it tomorrow, but I expect something from Ika to come.

I like this post for weird reasons. But anyways, I would be thrilled if you could throw a vote on this scumster to up the anti on him because he has kinda died away from the thread and stopped scum hunting.

Lack of scum hunting is my #1 tell that someone is scum. It trumps everything else, even lurking. So if I see you posting without looking for scum, I am going to do my best to make sure you are lynched.

AND, I don't think I have seen one post from this person that has to do with scum hunting.

[ika]

You promised this yesterday.

heres my work scedule right now fire. i had to drive 4 hrs to the hotel the day before and dint get there till 11