S-FM 327 : Last Hope

[Frinckles]

That was a bit of confirmation bias on my part but it really doesn't add up in my head otherwise. I really think it's the simplest explanation.

[Frinckles]

By removing Yuesford I also remove the Shadows magic bullet and are left with 3 PR roles or 2 scum confirmed + a likely town MM.

-vote Yuesford

[Lumi]

By removing Yuesford I also remove the Shadows magic bullet and are left with 3 PR roles or 2 scum confirmed + a likely town MM.

-vote Yuesford

If you are referring to the Darkness's Magus insta-kill weapon - that isn't removed when Darkness dies

"You have a one-time weapon that can only kill the Magus. (this weapon can be used along your other night action, and when used, cannot be inherit to the following Darknesses)"

It means that the weapon being used is permanent - the next Darkness doesn't get a new one to use.

So if you think it's Darkness Yues + Shadow blink, why vote for Yues over blink?

[Frinckles]

In the rare and unlikely event that it's Yuesford/MM and the RB was a lie AND Blinkskater is legit and was visited by both Yuesford and the real Magus -- this protects Blinkskater from being killed.

[Lumi]

In the rare and unlikely event that it's Yuesford/MM and the RB was a lie AND Blinkskater is legit and was visited by both Yuesford and the real Magus -- this protects Blinkskater from being killed.

Fair enough.

-vote Yuesford

@PQRnHack I think Frinckles makes a good (enough) argument for the town~Frinckles train going for Yuesford first over blink

[Frinckles]

If you are referring to the Darkness's Magus insta-kill weapon - that isn't removed when Darkness dies

"You have a one-time weapon that can only kill the Magus. (this weapon can be used along your other night action, and when used, cannot be inherit to the following Darknesses)"

It means that the weapon being used is permanent - the next Darkness doesn't get a new one to use.

So if you think it's Darkness Yues + Shadow blink, why vote for Yues over blink?

What I'm saying is, we're doing the Shadows job for them since they would do if he was the real Magus anyway.

We are taking it from them. With less risk.

[Lumi]

What I'm saying is, we're doing the Shadows job for them since they would do if he was the real Magus anyway.

We are taking it from them. With less risk.

That's actually a really good point too

You have a one-time weapon that can only kill the Magus. (this weapon can be used along your other night action, and when used, cannot be inherit to the following Darknesses)

Highlighted section from the setup for people who want to know what Frinckles is referring to

[Yuesford]

That's assuming I'm the darkness? But what if I'm not.. Cos evil know I'm not the darkness.

[Frinckles]

And for the record, that Yuesford/MM team is a little less likely with the vote from MM on him. But I'm trying to be open minded about the possibility of Town!Blink having been put in a near-impossible situation.

[Lumi]

That's assuming I'm the darkness? But what if I'm not.. Cos evil know I'm not the darkness.

Yes, if you're not darkness then you're Magus. Evil knows you're not darkness. Therefore evil knows if you are Magus or not - you have little reason to not reveal that to the town as well other than some wifom shield

[Lumi]

And for the record, that Yuesford/MM team is a little less likely with the vote from MM on him. But I'm trying to be open minded about the possibility of Town!Blink having been put in a near-impossible situation.

In this impossible situation though, it still doesn't answer what role Yuesford would be, since if Yuesford = darkness Town!Blink would have reported that he was leveled up and then leveled back down.
The only other roles that can visit town are Slime + Horror, but Town!Blink would have reported Horror too.

So the only role that Yues could be would be a slime randomly visiting someone despite Darkness not visiting them

[CRichardForumLies]

Don't shoot me. I'm not a Magus.. I'm just a lonely Villagers. There are better targets aside from me! I prefer @LagAttack or @Oberon . @CRichard is a good choice too. But don't kill my lord uwu neko.

I feel like this post spews me, Lag and Oberon as village if Yues is scum.
Book it.

[CRichardForumLies]

Oh yeah I just got reminded why lying is pretty much something you shouldn't ever do as village.
If MM is actually a shadow, then we missed a day to eliminate a shadow for sure.

[Frinckles]

I feel like this post spews me, Lag and Oberon as village if Yues is scum.
Book it.

I'll say 2 for 3 town and mark Oberon Templar.

[Lumi]

I suppose Slime!Yues is possible since it does have a secondary effect if the Magus was leveling up an ally on that night rather than deleveling a townie

[Frinckles]

In this impossible situation though, it still doesn't answer what role Yuesford would be, since if Yuesford = darkness Town!Blink would have reported that he was leveled up and then leveled back down.
The only other roles that can visit town are Slime + Horror, but Town!Blink would have reported Horror too.

So the only role that Yues could be would be a slime randomly visiting someone despite Darkness not visiting them

You're right, forgot about the de-level.

[Yuesford]

That's assuming we don't have any priest in the game.

Why are you so eager about wanting the Magus to reveal. I noticed that from you since yesterday @LagAttack .
Your theory is dumb. So what your saying is, if I was the janitor guy, why would I solo visit someone someone without darkness. In what way would I benefit from that action?

[Lumi]

That's assuming we don't have any priest in the game.

Why are you so eager about wanting the Magus to reveal. I noticed that from you since yesterday @LagAttack .
Your theory is dumb. So what your saying is, if I was the janitor guy, why would I solo visit someone someone without darkness. In what way would I benefit from that action?

Yes, Janitor visiting a solo target is weird and unlikely.

And if you were priest, you would have revealed a long time ago since when there are 3 town power role claims with a maximum of two possible, its a no-brainer to CC as a power role too, since that means you have 2 scum among the 4 rather than just 1.

ESPECIALLY if your reveal would clear/condemn one of the people among the 3 (Frinckles)

So the fact that you didn't claim priest way earlier means you're not priest

[Lumi]

It's even more so a no-brainer to claim because who's going to believe the person who CC'd as one of the OG power roles a day late, especially a late doc claim? No one ever believes that in the mod, why would FM be any different there?

[Yuesford]

@everyone public role claim. Now! @LagAttack wants to know everyone role. BRrrrrrrrrrr

[CRichardForumLies]

My god I'm so annoyed at Oberon for lying about their red check.
Why is it so hard to not lie as village?

[CRichardForumLies]

You know what would help village? By not lying and doing what scum are expected to do.
But noooooooo.

[PQRnHack]

Btw let's not forget the fact that OzyWho was level-upped by the Magus day 1.

-vote zzOrange

My reply may be outdated, need to catch up, but this is blatant lie or ignorance. Ozy's claim was BS claim mid-day, while notification of Magus upgrade is received only at start of N1.

[CRichardForumLies]

So blink never claimed to be de leveled and was leveled by someone (Magus/Darkness).
I stg if Yues is Magus I'll lose it.

[CRichardForumLies]

I'll be surprised if Frinckles is a hit, I feel that Yues is more likely a hit as they are being so unhelpful as well.
Good God.

[CRichardForumLies]

That being said, I can see a world where Frinckles fake claims Archer and claims Yues visited blink as scum.

[PQRnHack]

Fair enough.

-vote Yuesford

@PQRnHack I think Frinckles makes a good (enough) argument for the town~Frinckles train going for Yuesford first over blink

Why are you voting for a "rare event" then?

[Yuesford]

I'm being unhelpful? So be it then.
I'm 100% town. And I'll still claim villager as we are still on Day 2.
I already left my will based on the information I know. The rest is up to you all.
That's right though, evils will indeed kill me tonight, so might as well kill me now.

[PQRnHack]

If you are referring to the Darkness's Magus insta-kill weapon - that isn't removed when Darkness dies

"You have a one-time weapon that can only kill the Magus. (this weapon can be used along your other night action, and when used, cannot be inherit to the following Darknesses)"

It means that the weapon being used is permanent - the next Darkness doesn't get a new one to use.

So if you think it's Darkness Yues + Shadow blink, why vote for Yues over blink?

Not following your logic. The Darkness 1-shot Magus bullet can be used by either original Darkness or later-promoted shadow-Darkness, if it has not been used.
The logic for voting support-Shadow over Darkness is that lynching Darkness enables support-Shadow (with whatever level-up, if any) turns them into buffed Darkness+previous role's power(and retaining or missing whatever 1-shot Magus they had remaining - zero or one).

[PQRnHack]

By removing Yuesford I also remove the Shadows magic bullet and are left with 3 PR roles or 2 scum confirmed + a likely town MM.

-vote Yuesford

You cannot remove the magic bullet.

[Yuesford]

@PQRnHack

Yes he can, it's being supported by Frinckles knight in shining armor --> LagAttack <--

[PQRnHack]

@PQRnHack

Yes he can, it's being supported by Frinckles knight in shining armor --> LagAttack <--

OK because I'm an idiot, dumb it down for me how lynching Darkness vs Support Shadow removes the magic Magus bullet.

[Yuesford]

@PQRnHack

Personally, I think that's not the case here. That "one time" bullet, from what I believe.. has the same vibes as the Necronomicon in Town of Salem Coven, where once the current wielder dies, it will be transferred to another member randomly. But I'll pretend like a plank so yeah.. to answer your question, because Frinckles and LagAttack says so.

[PQRnHack]

@PQRnHack

Personally, I think that's not the case here. That "one time" bullet, from what I believe.. has the same vibes as the Necronomicon in Town of Salem Coven, where once the current wielder dies, it will be transferred to another member randomly. But I'll pretend like a plank so yeah.. to answer your question, because Frinckles and LagAttack says so.

Go fuck yourself, bud

"this weapon can be used along your other night action, and when used, cannot be inherit to the following Darknesses"

[Yuesford]

"when used" you kinda missed it tard. But unused, it can be transferred.

[Frinckles]

OK because I'm an idiot, dumb it down for me how lynching Darkness vs Support Shadow removes the magic Magus bullet.

You have a one-time weapon that can only kill the Magus. (this weapon can be used along your other night action, and when used, cannot be inherit to the following Darknesses

If he's Shadow it's gone, if he's Magus it's useless. If he's towny it's useless. If he's random scum he gets killed. If he's anything except Magus, the real Magus is safe. If he's Magus, he is dead tonight anyway because of that ability.

[PQRnHack]

OK, i am guilty as charged: I didn't read the rest of your post and I thought you were arguing it vanished. My bad.

[Frinckles]

Oh you were testing him.

[Yuesford]

"If he's Shadow it's gone"

Wrong @Frinckles .
Poor comprehension. it's only gone when you've used it, if not used, it will be transferred. Hence the "one-time" term.

[Frinckles]

"If he's Shadow it's gone"

Wrong @Frinckles .
Poor comprehension. it's only gone when you've used it, if not used, it will be transferred. Hence the "one-time" term.

Oh okay so you're saying that you're not magus and we can just kill you for visiting Blink and lying and that Shadows can still try to aim for the real Magus tonight? Those odds are fine

[Yuesford]

My scum list is this "PQRnHack/LagAttack/Frinckles". But useless to say but I already left that at my will.
You'll see why if y'all decided to lynch me. If not, prots on me!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Frinckles and blinkskater cannot both be town - choose one or the other

@Marshmallow Marshall
@Numbertwo
@Varcron
@Frinckles
@theoneceko
@ZZorange
@CRichardForumLies
@Yuesford
@Oberon
@PQRnHack
@WrathCyber

Why? I don't understand. Their claims are not contradictory.

Also, Screw You @Oberon You Damn Troll
What was the point of your "move" lol

[Frinckles]

My scum list is this "PQRnHack/LagAttack/Frinckles". But useless to say but I already left that at my will.
You'll see why if y'all decided to lynch me. If not, prots on me!

Why can't you just give us your role and night actions?

[Yuesford]

Who knows @Frinckles . I might be the Magus.. I might be not. But I think there would be some kind of notification if ever the one time ability is used.. I mean, yeah.. It's a game-changing moment and a Magus may publicly reveal once it has been used on somebody else.

[CRichardForumLies]

Is there any rational reason why Yues would be lying about visiting blink? We just going to chalk it up to 5D wifom?

Who knows at this point? Everyone seems to think that lying as village is optimal play.
Spoilers: It's not.

[Frinckles]

Who knows @Frinckles . I might be the Magus.. I might be not. But I think there would be some kind of notification if ever the one time ability is used.. I mean, yeah.. It's a game-changing moment and a Magus may publicly reveal once it has been used on somebody else.

Where is that in the setup?

[Frinckles]

Like I don't even understand you. If you are Magus they are going to kill you tonight and you should use your day ability now on someone who isn't Oberon. I know you visited Blink last night. So what did you do to Blink?

[Yuesford]

It will probably be shown on someone else the death description.

You do realize someone can be level-upped today and a priest can prevent someone's death tonight. Thus the idea of me being dead tonight is not true. Although I'm not sure if the one time ability bypass the skill of the priest though.

[CRichardForumLies]

Which means that Yuesford has to be a role that he doesn't want to reveal, which is probably understandable.

Except if they're Magus they're either getting killed today because lol!not revealing until too late or shadows kill them the following night.

[CRichardForumLies]

Anyway if Yues flips Magus today, yeah I won't be happy at all because they're too willing to troll rather than play for win condition.