Honestly, after I've had the time to re-read some of the things said in the current day I'd place my vote on Martin. Not going to go too deep into why I feel that way.
-vote MartinGG99
No clue about Samson, hasn't posted anything of valuable since I joined. Seems kind of abrasive though which in turn seems pretty unhelpful to me.
Well I'm not sure if I can "earlier this time" given that I think I placed my votes early on D1.
I'm probably far too late already.
Anyways, if I wanted to hazard a guess rn, it would be
-vote Dark Magician
I've felt mostly off about him and that hasn't really changed much since the early game. Not strictly meta-wise.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
From skimming what I missed on d1 (other than obviously looking at who died what first) I do think:
SJ is town because him stating a scum-read on Helz at EoD (who died the next night) as well as for some reason town-reading Yzb25 ought to be FPS'ing scum or just simply town and I'm leaning town given that FPS'ing scum is a rare breed.
DM I don't like. I wasn't convinced by SJ's town-read on him after an ISO.
Magoroth was Meh. Lean town if anything because I don't think he was pushing an agenda which scum may likely do with a doomed scum slot.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
One thing that struck me as odd though was this:
This looks bad in particular.
Because cops can only lock-clear people if all evil powerful or all evil vanilla roles are dead.
Yzb25 flipped as the only demon vanilla role out there, and this looks like a slip of knowing that.
And without the demon, any regular citizen-angel can be cleared on N1 or beyond if they're checked as Vanilla.
Though I suppose with the above quote its possible he's being ignorant and thinks the cop is the typical kind of cop role that green/red checks people, but I wonder why he feels the need to re-state this in response to a wiisp comment that specifically emphasizes about having him resolved as a slot either by checking or killing.
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Unrelated to that EoD specifically,
I always felt like he was tonally off with this post, especially with his later...more unusual posts.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Like, actually now that I think about it, his involvement, attachment or contributions really start slow early on but the closer to EoD he starts working more. Which is weird to me tbh because I've kinda felt the exact opposite for me.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
All of this, at least for the ones by Yzb25 looks and feels partner-y tbh, in an anti-spew manner.
They both don't interact directly with each other at all really and yet they both vote each other near or at EoD, with Yzb25 having at times an express "null read" on him.
Yzb even forgot to place a read on DM in his reads list, and I imagine that's because you generally don't focus on reading your partners all that much since you aren't trying to deceive them.
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Like Close to Final Day
I’ve decide that after a scum flips in my PoE, I’m adding Martin to the PoE.
I mean seriously I don't make a joke and then, like, laugh at it for the next 48 hours as an example.
At some point you just lose investment in "mememing" or joking and I don't think it usually lasts almost 3 weeks.
Heck I wasn't joking about the game at all and yet I was losing investment
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Samson (3 [L-2]):
Varcron, Dark Magician, Marshmallow Marshall
Bahkieh (1 [L-4]):
SuperJack
MartinGG99 (2 [L-3]):
S-FM Magoroth, NoctiZ
Oh and I should note I would be okay-ish with a Samson deletion given my opinions about Paul (the previous player on his slot) and general lack of content about others but I would really like to figure out how he fits in the picture with a !demon Yzb25 or even !demon Yzb25 + !demon DM
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Well two of my town-reads died last night (I should note that I town-read Wiisp even before he revealed as God). Helz I might've given at least second look at for the early part of today tbh given your scum-read of him at EoD but that got solved for us anyways.
Varcron is more of a town-lean but a good one. I think he's been mostly towny and in particular his response to you earlier today (on D2, though I haven't read absolutely everything yet).
MM I recall having fairly good vibes on him but I haven't really looked at him super-recently other than his interactions with Varcon on D1 if I recall correctly, which I thought were a good look for both of them.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Samson Scum, Clears Samsung IMO.
The last riddle I've solved was a butchered song in Creole that had no damn link with the game. Hi @Stealthbomber16 . So, do you have something more to say?
I'd rather not end the day early, but I'm good with significant pressure on Samson if there's nothing more coming from there.
An explaination later could be nice.
Abrasiveness falls under "arguably anti-town", but not really under "scummy". So what's your read on Samson? My main point against him is that he has existed significantly this game, and so did his previous slot owner, and yet his contributions and reads are pretty much nonexistent; his vote at EoD was still from this:
Which is back when Samson was called Paul and only quoted the Bible. The vote was about science vs religion... Since the D1 lynch was a scum lynch, chances are scum were off-wagon and weren't able to manipulate people well enough to stop yzb's lynch. Samson's scum equity is getting pretty high due to that.
This makes no sense and terribly looks like confirmation bias to me lol. If DM was to be checked as scum, he'd necessarily come up as powerful, since the only scum vanilla role was on yzb. Therefore, getting himself checked wouldn't clear him, on the contrary. Now, I don't think that's a town tell because WIFOM, but you're heavily stretching.
Bah and Samson contain scum.
Yeet in there and we got this.
Feel free to yeet me after if you think I’m stupid enough to bus a buddy and semi-bus another.
In the sense they are both actually somehow town then yeah your playing Power Wolf here and you fooled me.
Sure, I'll give you one now. It's mostly because SJ quoted this post which I considered to have a suspicious tone due to wording. I disregarded everything else like the fact that he was voting yzb early and still committed at EOD because I only based it off of the single post SuperJack quoted. So I wanted to see how Martin would react after I voted him. After his further contributions I don't think we'll have to worry that Martin is scum so I'll unvote now.
You could argue that abrasiveness in general or by itself isn't scummy but in the context of which it is displayed to me makes it scummy. Samson apparently has a reason to act the way he does since he isn't forthcoming even after being prodded. Now if that reason is scum- or town-motivated is unclear but his contributions aren't helping us along during the day which to me makes his abrasiveness scummy behaviour.
I also don't believe anti-town behaviour isn't scummy behaviour. You could have some deeper reasons for wanting to appear to be anti-town and still actually be town but that doesn't make anti-town behaviour not scummy. So if abrasiveness is the result of anti-town behaviour then to me it's also scummy. Although I think I'm going off a tangent right now.
-unvote
It's hard to believe there is more than one scum among DM/Bahkieh/Samson considering this. It would both be too simple for us and too risky for them (an all-lurkers team is doomed to fail).
That being said, DM is giving no reason to scumread Bahkieh or Samson; he's just surfing on the consensus. And while I'm ready to believe he wouldn't instant bus his last scummate in the position he's in, I can very well see scum!DM trying to push easy lynches on LHF-Town!Bahkieh and LHF-Town!Samson. I think that's what happening right now.-vote Dark Magician