Eh, I went back and this is the only argument against Jelly that reads like bad-faith to me:
like yeeeeeaahh Jelly is often notl confident, but I don't think it's super AI and most attempts to metaread her end in spectacular failure
Most of the other votes on Jelly are basically a "she's in my PoE and we gotta choose someone"
The "I doubt anyone's going to vote with me" is a bit lol considering he's voting our famous hpm lynchbait
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After a night's sleep, and one more look at different ISO's, I suspect oliver's reactions may point him to being town.
I remembered that we had an anonymous game recently-ish and in that game (named as FM-Myopia) as mafia he was put under pressure as well.
But in that case, when he reacted to it, it was more accusatory and insulting.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post963273
This time, it kinda hasn't been that and Oliverz hasn't really accused me or anyone else except maybe imply I'm dumb.
I would like other people's thoughts on this though
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Here's the link to reading his ISO backwards from newest to oldest in that anon game too:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/searc...st&showposts=1
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
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573 posts by me in one game
"Read his iso"
Bruh
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I love you martin
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But if you want to see some genuine solving look at my d1 there. I was a lone wolf there, who didnt knew his mates and them didnt know either. And i honestly had expected 2 teams (and i publicly sr like 2 or 3 of the only scumteam) so i was almost killed by the scumteam.
I had to target one of em to join and i did d2
And you can see my reads go 180
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A friend set it to me, I can track down the artist and send it to you.
Also. I am free now. I read the thread, didn't quote anything, so you know, I'll just respond out of context.
I have a thought the event was a Dreaming God. I agree with someone's point that if it were mafia derived, they would coordinate correctly. And considering half the game misspelled my name... I think this event wasn't caused by mafia. So maybe neutral Dreaming God.
man that Game by Lumi was fun n cool
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Oh whoops, guess I just mistyped
I honestly don't remember what I was trying to say originally but you're like medium-strong town
Imo judging a person's tone off of 1 game is dumb. I've played several games with Oliver before, and overall according to his meta he tends to panic under pressure as scum
Good afternoon all, catching up right now.
I actually think I feel better about Aporia with what they've said today - his response to pressure doesn't feel like scum trying to save themselves (especially given his response to my question about why he ended on DW instead of Clowns) and he mentioned a key point about Jelly that I would expect him to have picked up on (given it arose from a question he asked Jelly). I mentioned Jelly keeping the DW read in my chat with MM, but I don't think I've mentioned it anywhere here. I think Aporia picking up on it combined with how he's entered today is a good look.
Lets gauge me by 3 different attributes
- read accuracy
- Height on the Fruit tree
- Influence
(Now this is were i wish we had n dimensional tables for display usage)I found this by directly taking clues from playing against and with strong players.
HIGH INFLUENCE IN THREAD/LYNCH/OTHER T OPINIONS READ ACCURACY = LOW READ ACCURACY = HIGH LHF =YES keep for mylo lylo as lynchbait mislim him and get 2 wins parallel: town mislim and thread takedown LHF = NO - Keep him alive if you have other bigger threats
- Or a big enough poe for mislims to endgame him
- Or kill him and do 1out of 4 possible wifom shenanigans to threadnk him hes a danger now what if nobody cares about my opinion and/or listens to it? (aka normal game ) NO INFLUENCE IN THREAD/LYNCH/OTHER T OPINIONS READ ACCURACY = LOW READ ACCURACY = HIGH HF=YES Mislim now or keep till mylo mislim now nobody should listen LHF=NO just keep alive as filler slot as long as you have other lhf town, if not then nk nk and do 1 out of 4 possible wifom shenanigans
Such as guillo
Or.... well idk
But guillo is enough
And this marks the way a scum team should follow
So take notes MM
And this goes also against every player
Not just me
Any non scum player
P.s. dang those tables
Sacred and derogatory at the same time
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Like there's part of me that wants to give Ewian a pass for voting Jelly given the circumstances, but they clearly were doing it on their own and not following a herd, so I think they deserve stricter scrutiny for it
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Yes
But seriously, I hadn't noticed that part lol but it doesn't really matter; I saw you in strong townreads and "checked" your slot in my list of stuff to look at in Bakura's list, so I overlooked the second one xD
But almost-confirmed category: yes
strong town: jmw, yes, considering the chat I've had with him overnight, and you, yes, considering your attempt to read me early on that I considered genuine, and even more so considering your claim about your action
Light town: I want to townread Ewian, I just don't know why exactly, so I agree
Drizzt: where is this guy lol?
Aporia: can't get a real read on them despite their relative activity, no red flags but also no green ones
Clowns: what I said in my post
Doughnuts: like I said in my post
Oliverz and Frinckles: I already made my cases on both of them, I want to lynch one of them
So overall, I very much agree with Bakura - and if anything, your double presence might actually be a sign that he was wondering where he should put you, which is townier than not, even though I wouldn't give too much weight to this.
As for your next post about Oliverz: meta or not, I don't think he's known to be particularly coherent as scum either, so he should be judged on intent. I entirely fail to see town intent here. It could change, but he's not making it change. @oliverz144 it would be great if you could give a list of your reads with explanations. Your ISO is so chaotic it's hard to make anything out of it
@Frinckles can you elaborate more on why you think it did look like DW had TMI? I don't see anything about this in your ISO.
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Also, if I'm not mistaken, EoD is in 3 hours and a half, and nobody is placing votes??
We need to vote.
-vote 10000JellyDoughnutsPlease answer my question about your vote on Aporia. I would also appreciate if you could tell me what you think of Frinckles (and his Deathworlds last minute vote), and of Oliverz.
For the record, I am open to getting Frinckles, Oliverz, and Jelly (this one might change depending on what they say rn).
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I hate multiquote so fucking much. I was gonna quote some DW posts anyway.
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It's just such a weird response! It's a reply to the least significant part of my post, and there really isn't much reason to bring up Bakura. It's replying to "you are doing a poor meta read of a lynchbait slot" with "but bakura and I are also lynchbait!" Surprisingly, overly defensive.
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When I asked SC2 people about it, the vibe I got from the room was "this is not unusual/TMI levels of neutral." What I'm interested in is whether or not there were other reasons, still, that a townie would think there's TMI. The "bad" post for reference:
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Yeah, there's a reason I reorganized my d1 tone reads. Every push in this game just turns into "no no, that's their meta, maybe I think, they are 99.99% town you wouldnt get it" so I'm just sitting here like wtf. Meta has a place but this is turning into the superfriends trying to figure out who forgot to flush the toilet.
Oh am I tripping or did a bunch of posts just appear? I think the heat outside is getting to me XD
I write lore
Wait why did you make a weed emoji
Ewian, boyo, it's not so much defensive as it is a bad response. You don't combat the actual points. You're over here throwing a pity party for yourself. Get out of the rich kid's house and go hang out with your real friends down at the skate park. They're waiting for you.
It was me
I forgot to flush the toilet
Also-vote 10000JellyDoughnutsfor now
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agree. its kinda cool n bad
because its "random" for the player
its just a bad player experience
i noticed once as a host and i wont use them anymore tbh
JOAT much better
you fluster me
can those reads wait till d3? or nah? would use the night and its midnight for me irl...
you sr jelly for her accusing dw of tmi?
thats mafia scumming 101.
thats like the most +ev way of playing for scum
when it comes to them setting the relationship with town player "x"
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jelly is voted over nothing imho
a v death for being consensus scumread over a bad argument. i dont like that
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