S-FM: THT: The Wrath of Lady Death

[Firebringer]

Catching up, Toadette is scum.

Be back later busy all day.

[secondpassing]

Mattzed Something is very off putting about him. I am trusting my fellow townsmen to back me up. For me to make my own decision, I need more information. Something in my mind tells me MattZed is a neutral. I don't trust myself with this one. Giving deathworlds another coin for this one.
deathworlds
SuperJack Giving him some time. It would help if you voted someone so we can start day 2.
Mikecall Acts a little shifty and I would like some information out of him but we can leave him be for now.
Spruance
Firebringer deathworlds has taught me to look things into a new light. Everyone should still read #760
Yzb25 Lost credibility with defenses from yesterday. Did he slip cult?
Toadette Unusually aggressive, selectively reads, and holds a double standard. Is this simply the faults of being confident in what you say? Giving deathworlds a coin for his reads here.
Calix Probably Lady Death
DarknessB I find DarknessB guilty of hindering town discussion, probably just tunneling. Tunneling doesn't mean town behavior though. I have yet to notice some town motivated play by DarknessB.
secondpassing I've "turned a new leaf", I also noticed I got some town cred in RLVG's eyes as well if anyone noticed. That means I'm doing a better job!
GameFreak It feels like he isn't feeling too hard right now. Sure hes busy, but he has to get less busy if I am to read him better.
RLVG

Now that I rethink things,

-vote MattZed

[secondpassing]

Lol sorry Mikecall, I was busy formatting.

[secondpassing]

RLVG sort of off my radar

I cannot meta this guy, he has played differently every single time. He's either focusing on certain players on certain times to be townlike or scumlike. His stance is clear certainly.

[DarknessB]

secondpassing, I really don't get the logic behind any of your reads, which is in turn giving me a scumread on you because it suggests you have other motivations that you aren't sharing with us. Will post my comments below:

Mattzed Something is very off putting about him. I am trusting my fellow townsmen to back me up. For me to make my own decision, I need more information. Something in my mind tells me MattZed is a neutral. I don't trust myself with this one. Giving deathworlds another coin for this one. You're basically saying, something feels off about MattZed -- I can respect that, but I don't personally agree given MattZed is doing what MattZed always does -- circle around each player, pick out little things they say, and try to push them.
deathworlds
SuperJack Giving him some time. It would help if you voted someone so we can start day 2. This seems fine as well -- null spot, but given that's the case, SJ really needs to start participating. Don't want an ika deal here.
Mikecall Acts a little shifty and I would like some information out of him but we can leave him be for now. You're suggesting he's acting shifty and not participating and somehow he is part green?
Spruance
Firebringer deathworlds has taught me to look things into a new light. Everyone should still read #760 Here's the beginning of your odd infatuation with deathworlds' leads. Can you explain a little further why you read Fire as almost all green?
Yzb25 Lost credibility with defenses from yesterday. Did he slip cult? yzb lost credibility, yet he is still half green in your eyes?
Toadette Unusually aggressive, selectively reads, and holds a double standard. Is this simply the faults of being confident in what you say? Giving deathworlds a coin for his reads here. Once again, an odd reference to deathworlds which doesn't really add anything. Toadette has tried to spur discussion today -- aggressive is also her general style.
Calix Probably Lady Death
DarknessB I find DarknessB guilty of hindering town discussion, probably just tunneling. Tunneling doesn't mean town behavior though. I have yet to notice some town motivated play by DarknessB. I notice your tone got really weird in my post -- "I find DarknessB guilty of"? Seems like an OMGUS reaction to me having scum read your earlier in the day and criticizing your (still odd) reads.
secondpassing I've "turned a new leaf", I also noticed I got some town cred in RLVG's eyes as well if anyone noticed. That means I'm doing a better job! How do we know that RLVG is Town again? This is as odd as yzb trying to buddy and crib credibility off of Calix yesterday.
GameFreak It feels like he isn't feeling too hard right now. Sure hes busy, but he has to get less busy if I am to read him better. Feel that he isn't feeling too hard? Do you mean trying too hard? If he's not trying to hard, somehow you read him as strong Town?
RLVG

Now that I rethink things,

-vote MattZed

And your last read:

RLVG sort of off my radar. I cannot meta this guy, he has played differently every single time. He's either focusing on certain players on certain times to be townlike or scumlike. His stance is clear certainly. You're basically saying that because you are unable to read RLVG, you somehow concldue he's Town. What?

I just don't get much out any explanation you've provided in your reads. It's basically either deathworlds thought this or OMGUS or comments that don't line up with the colors (yzb has no credibility but is half green?). Can you please try to explain WHY you've reached these conclusions? I feel like you just repeat the color in the narrative.

[RLVG]

I think it's funny how everyone combined has their own schizophrenic read on me.

[DarknessB]

I think it's funny how everyone combined has their own schizophrenic read on me.

Breaking news -- I finally cracked the RLVG meta for this and all future games: 50 Shades of

[SuperJack]

Since I wasn't around Day 1 I get to shout at you all.

I've read up to post #200

And you, ignore basic scumslips and claims, and even when the person being accused, basically tells you not to lynch neutrals, you listen. WTF GUYS GO GROW SOME BALL.

[SuperJack]

Scum have an incentive to keep other scum alive whilst we have majority.
So people blindly ignoring Calix and seeing her as town and pushing Death, are most likely scum.

[SuperJack]

lol he's been on you for a while from the claiming roleblocker and policy lynching. Your word choice simply added to the list.

Softclaiming Widower?

And this is the sort of thing I mean.

[Firebringer]

Since I wasn't around Day 1 I get to shout at you all.

I've read up to post #200

And you, ignore basic scumslips and claims, and even when the person being accused, basically tells you not to lynch neutrals, you listen. WTF GUYS GO GROW SOME BALL.

I will grow balls:

-vote SuperJack

He is mean to us all, lets lynch him.

[yzb25]

I will grow balls:

-vote SuperJack

He is mean to us all, lets lynch him.

why when he's completely valid? DX

Let's at least wait until he gets to me.

[Firebringer]

why when he's completely valid? DX

Let's at least wait until he gets to me.

Then you can decide if he supports you or don't?

[secondpassing]

I've changed our colors for easy-to-readness <- there has to be a word for that

secondpassing, I really don't get the logic behind any of your reads, which is in turn giving me a scumread on you because it suggests you have other motivations that you aren't sharing with us. Will post my comments below:

Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
Mattzed Something is very off putting about him. I am trusting my fellow townsmen to back me up. For me to make my own decision, I need more information. Something in my mind tells me MattZed is a neutral. I don't trust myself with this one. Giving deathworlds another coin for this one. You're basically saying, something feels off about MattZed -- I can respect that, but I don't personally agree given MattZed is doing what MattZed always does -- circle around each player, pick out little things they say, and try to push them. I've only ever played with MattZed in one other game and he did the same thing. This game he hasn't ISO'd anyone. And yes, something feels off about him, and I think he has another agenda.
SuperJack Giving him some time. It would help if you voted someone so we can start day 2. This seems fine as well -- null spot, but given that's the case, SJ really needs to start participating. Don't want an ika deal here.
Mikecall Acts a little shifty and I would like some information out of him but we can leave him be for now. You're suggesting he's acting shifty and not participating and somehow he is part green? Sure he is, he's less shifty than usual though. Especially from his first posts, I could tell he was trying to help town win. Pressuring him gives really weird results. In my eyes, its better to leave him be like RLVG.
Firebringer deathworlds has taught me to look things into a new light. Everyone should still read #760 Here's the beginning of your odd infatuation with deathworlds' leads. Can you explain a little further why you read Fire as almost all green? That reference to deathworlds was about Firebringer's red "R", deathworlds has Firebringer listed as in his top two scums. I absolutely love his post on #760. If you follow along, you will notice that the post is honest, town-aligned, and reflective (not reactive). In some posts, Fire ignores the context of other posts sometimes (so it seems, the only concrete ones I can bring out right now is the one answering deathworlds' question to me as well as ignoring RLVG's thoughts that MattZed and Firebringer are buddying.) It also does not seem like Firebringer is simply trying to appease me by labeling me as town, Fire is actively trying to read all player's posts. Because I find it a difficult task to feign "honesty" in such a manner like Firebringer is doing now, Firebringer is my strongest town read.
Yzb25 Lost credibility with defenses from yesterday. Did he slip cult? yzb lost credibility, yet he is still half green in your eyes? He's being really helpful right now. Since he is the sort that will mount a defense before being voted (or try to at least say something), voting him is not too urgent.
Toadette Unusually aggressive, selectively reads, and holds a double standard. Is this simply the faults of being confident in what you say? Giving deathworlds a coin for his reads here. Once again, an odd reference to deathworlds which doesn't really add anything. Toadette has tried to spur discussion today -- aggressive is also her general style. If you compare my reads with deathworlds', he has Toadette as hard town. While aggressive is her usual style, she isn't RLVG, and she appears to be doing the same thing is some other games. If you've noticed, her word choice before deathworlds' lynch is similar to Calix's. It is not until the start of day 2 until she has used a calm tone. I know Toadette knows that a calm tone is good for town unity.
Calix Probably Lady Death
DarknessB I find DarknessB guilty of hindering town discussion, probably just tunneling. Tunneling doesn't mean town behavior though. I have yet to notice some town motivated play by DarknessB. I notice your tone got really weird in my post -- "I find DarknessB guilty of"? Seems like an OMGUS reaction to me having scum read your earlier in the day and criticizing your (still odd) reads.
secondpassing I've "turned a new leaf", I also noticed I got some town cred in RLVG's eyes as well if anyone noticed. That means I'm doing a better job! How do we know that RLVG is Town again? This is as odd as yzb trying to buddy and crib credibility off of Calix yesterday. I actually didn't think of it that way. Hate to do this but, how do we know RLVG is not Town? I've townread RLVG (sort of) and you've null read him. Since town is still in majority, that means RLVG is town by assumption.
GameFreak It feels like he isn't feeling too hard right now. Sure hes busy, but he has to get less busy if I am to read him better. Feel that he isn't feeling too hard? Do you mean trying too hard? If he's not trying to hard, somehow you read him as strong Town? I've noticed you haven't read him as scum either. Perhaps you can relate? From the limited amount of information we have from him, he seems town. Granted, his posts only reposted what others have said. Coming from Gamefreak that is town play though. Its in his heart to support the majority.
-vote MattZed

RLVG sort of off my radar. I cannot meta this guy, he has played differently every single time. He's either focusing on certain players on certain times to be townlike or scumlike. His stance is clear certainly. You're basically saying that because you are unable to read RLVG, you somehow concldue he's Town. What? If I cannot read someone, but know their stance on what is what, I can put aside reading him until later. Unless someone else is going to push for a RLVG pressure, I'm not going to join in on it. As far as I'm concerned, he can be town.

I just don't get much out any explanation you've provided in your reads. It's basically either deathworlds thought this or OMGUS or comments that don't line up with the colors (yzb has no credibility but is half green?). Can you please try to explain WHY you've reached these conclusions? I feel like you just repeat the color in the narrative.

Sorry my mind sometimes works on another frequency. I'm going to make all my new posts simple, short, and without explaination, since it seems no one can read my posts anyway.

[secondpassing]

Current secondpassing plan:

prod MattZed


Agree? Disagree?

[yzb25]

Then you can decide if he supports you or don't?

It wasn't - I meant it like - I - APPRECIATE MY SELF DEPRECATING SENSE OF HUMOR FFS T_T

Did you read that shit theory I posted? I legit can't think of an alternate explanation, unless you believe the cult AND lady death chose to hit Spruance AND lady death was attacked by the hybrid executioner.

[secondpassing]

Thanks for asking me to slow down DarknessB, my mind had jumped to three other thoughts before posting that readwall. I think its less of me being a new mafia player, its just me.

[DarknessB]

Thanks for your response, secondpassing -- I am somewhat less concerned about your reads now that I have a little more background on what you're thinking. That having been said, I'd suggest you not town-read people by default merely because you don't have a good read on them (e.g. your assessments of RLVG and GameFreak). It might mean they are not the best person to lynch today, but it doesn't mean they should get a pass, which is typically what green means.

[SuperJack]

#1614? EASY TO READ?

It's harder to read them RLVG.

[SuperJack]

I'm on post #250

Yes. I read slow. Yes I get easily distracted. I cant help it. :/

[RLVG]

#1614? EASY TO READ?

It's harder to read them RLVG.

Uhh, I'm sorry that someone else can't format? Lol?

[SuperJack]

Uhh, I'm sorry that someone else can't format? Lol?

Good. You are forgiven.

[MattZed]

Something's a bit familiar here:
SuperJack (1 [L-5]): Firebringer
MattZed (3 [L-3]): secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25
Mikecall (1 [L-5]): MattZed

deathworlds (7 [L-0]): Calix, MattZed, Firebringer, secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25, Toadette
Mikecall (2 [L-5]): Spruance, Shifty
yzb25 (4 [L-3]): deathworlds, RLVG, GameFreak, DarknessB

Mattzed Something is very off putting about him. I am trusting my fellow townsmen to back me up. For me to make my own decision, I need more information. Something in my mind tells me MattZed is a neutral. I don't trust myself with this one. Giving deathworlds another coin for this one.

Now that I rethink things,

-vote MattZed

This is pretty much a scumslip. You don't know how town actually feels about the situation because you're team scum and know what's going on, so you need people to tell you how town thinks. You then go on your unsupported hunch for who the neutral scum is, which apparently takes your top priority.

-vote secondpassing

[yzb25]

Something's a bit familiar here:
SuperJack (1 [L-5]): Firebringer
MattZed (3 [L-3]): secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25
Mikecall (1 [L-5]): MattZed

deathworlds (7 [L-0]): Calix, MattZed, Firebringer, secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25, Toadette
Mikecall (2 [L-5]): Spruance, Shifty
yzb25 (4 [L-3]): deathworlds, RLVG, GameFreak, DarknessB


This is pretty much a scumslip. You don't know how town actually feels about the situation because you're team scum and know what's going on, so you need people to tell you how town thinks. You then go on your unsupported hunch for who the neutral scum is, which apparently takes your top priority.

-vote secondpassing

Mattzed, this is illuminati-level shit you're engaging in right now.

And that little paragraph below the highlighting was an explanation of a very basic sc2mafia concept, which has a very basic counter-concept. Making your point more indepth doesn't make it clearer, it just makes it look like you're trying to inflate it, as I have learnt X.X

[secondpassing]

Something's a bit familiar here:
SuperJack (1 [L-5]): Firebringer
MattZed (3 [L-3]): secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25
Mikecall (1 [L-5]): MattZed

deathworlds (7 [L-0]): Calix, MattZed, Firebringer, secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25, Toadette
Mikecall (2 [L-5]): Spruance, Shifty
yzb25 (4 [L-3]): deathworlds, RLVG, GameFreak, DarknessB


This is pretty much a scumslip. You don't know how town actually feels about the situation because you're team scum and know what's going on, so you need people to tell you how town thinks. You then go on your unsupported hunch for who the neutral scum is, which apparently takes your top priority.

-vote secondpassing

Oh, I jumped again.

I was busy thinking to myself about your last vote. As a neutral, you don't really care who gets lynched and you can feign wanting to lynch to give yourself town credibilty.

And no, I don't know what town thinks. And that's why I'm trying to figure it out. You thought my question last time was "shit" in another game, but I still believe it will tell us a lot about you if you could answer this:

Are you town? why should we believe so?

[MattZed]

Mattzed, this is illuminati-level shit you're engaging in right now.

And that little paragraph below the highlighting was an explanation of a very basic sc2mafia concept, which has a very basic counter-concept. Making your point more indepth doesn't make it clearer, it just makes it look like you're trying to inflate it, as I have learnt X.X

I didn't need to make the point in-depth. I made three sentences to point out that secondpassing doesn't know how a townie feels and that he wants to lynch neutrals. AKA the things a cult actually wants to do right now. You're defending someone when they're at one vote. Are you afraid I've caught someone valuable? If he your tailor?

[secondpassing]

Something's a bit familiar here:
SuperJack (1 [L-5]): Firebringer
MattZed (3 [L-3]): secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25
Mikecall (1 [L-5]): MattZed

deathworlds (7 [L-0]): Calix, MattZed, Firebringer, secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25, Toadette
Mikecall (2 [L-5]): Spruance, Shifty
yzb25 (4 [L-3]): deathworlds, RLVG, GameFreak, DarknessB


This is pretty much a scumslip. You don't know how town actually feels about the situation because you're team scum and know what's going on, so you need people to tell you how town thinks. You then go on your unsupported hunch for who the neutral scum is, which apparently takes your top priority.

-vote secondpassing

While I vote to lynch, I have three priorities with my votes:
To determine who is town
To get people to explain themselves because they aren't currently
And to lynch

This should be good enough explanation for you to understand why I am voting you and not Toadette.

[MattZed]

Oh, I jumped again.

I was busy thinking to myself about your last vote. As a neutral, you don't really care who gets lynched and you can feign wanting to lynch to give yourself town credibilty.

And no, I don't know what town thinks. And that's why I'm trying to figure it out. You thought my question last time was "shit" in another game, but I still believe it will tell us a lot about you if you could answer this:

Are you town? why should we believe so?

This is my point. If you are town, you will have a town perspective and even in confusion have some idea of what you think may be happening.

Yes, I'm town. Now, why are you trying to "prod" me about it? Is there something you've found lacking in my previous explanations of everything I've done?

[MattZed]

While I vote to lynch, I have three priorities with my votes:
To determine who is town
To get people to explain themselves because they aren't currently
And to lynch

This should be good enough explanation for you to understand why I am voting you and not Toadette.

Why would Toadette be your second pick? You have other red names on your readwall. (which really I'm tempted to tear into some more because you bother spending time pointing out how RLVG townreads you, and that apparently means you're doing "better.")

You have to seriously not be paying attention if you think I haven't explained myself.

[yzb25]

I didn't need to make the point in-depth. I made three sentences to point out that secondpassing doesn't know how a townie feels and that he wants to lynch neutrals. AKA the things a cult actually wants to do right now. You're defending someone when they're at one vote. Are you afraid I've caught someone valuable? If he your tailor?

Lol you're still trying to play interrogator in your position. How adorable.

I'll take back what I said about the paragraph though. I was overstating my case.

[MattZed]

Lol you're still trying to play interrogator in your position. How adorable.

I'll take back what I said about the paragraph though. I was overstating my case.

You accused me of tunneling because I used three sentences to call out a scumslip. That's a rather large overreaction, and given how you tended to do those when we were on your train, you're really just supporting the view that I've caught you and secondpassing as cult buddies.

[secondpassing]

This is my point. If you are town, you will have a town perspective and even in confusion have some idea of what you think may be happening.

Yes, I'm town. Now, why are you trying to "prod" me about it? Is there something you've found lacking in my previous explanations of everything I've done?

Lacking? No, but the feeling is still there. You also didn't exactly answer the second part of the question:
why should we believe so?

Which is the exact reason why I have voted you. If there are other people to vote you it helps as well.

[yzb25]

You accused me of tunneling because I used three sentences to call out a scumslip. That's a rather large overreaction, and given how you tended to do those when we were on your train, you're really just supporting the view that I've caught you and secondpassing as cult buddies.

I never said you tunneled. I said you "illuminati"'d. You looked at the pictures in front of you and drew a triangle Fourth-Doctor style.

You can only get away with twisting language when you're pretending to pressure people. When you do it in your defense it just makes you look like scum.

[MattZed]

Lacking? No, but the feeling is still there. You also didn't exactly answer the second part of the question:
why should we believe so?

Which is the exact reason why I have voted you. If there are other people to vote you it helps as well.

"I have 0 concrete reasons to vote you, and you've explained everything you've done, but I still just feel you're scum, damnit."

RLVG, Darkness, I know you don't like my style, but I dare you to call what a strawman of what secondpassing just said. He's completely run out of reasons to get off a lynch on someone who's onto him, so he's just saying we should do it off of a gut feeling.

Secondpassing, if you truly felt Firebringer was a goldmine of pro-town reads, why don't you trust him when he says I'm his strongest townread? lol

[yzb25]

"I have 0 concrete reasons to vote you, and you've explained everything you've done, but I still just feel you're scum, damnit."

RLVG, Darkness, I know you don't like my style, but I dare you to call what a strawman of what secondpassing just said. He's completely run out of reasons to get off a lynch on someone who's onto him, so he's just saying we should do it off of a gut feeling.

Secondpassing, if you truly felt Firebringer was a goldmine of pro-town reads, why don't you trust him when he says I'm his strongest townread? lol

Present one counter-theory to the one I presented that isn't wildly unlikely/implausible, and I'll reduce my vote intention from "to kill" down to "to pressure".

[secondpassing]

deathworlds also says Firebringer is his strongest scumread.
deathworlds is confirmed town.

All it means is that I have to revisit my readings. I considered voting yzb and Mikecall today, and simply decided that you would be good to get information out of.

[MattZed]

I never said you tunneled. I said you "illuminati"'d. You looked at the pictures in front of you and drew a triangle Fourth-Doctor style.

You can only get away with twisting language when you're pretending to pressure people. When you do it in your defense it just makes you look like scum.

Mattzed, this is illuminati-level shit you're engaging in right now.

And that little paragraph below the highlighting was an explanation of a very basic sc2mafia concept, which has a very basic counter-concept. Making your point more indepth doesn't make it clearer, it just makes it look like you're trying to inflate it, as I have learnt X.X

There's your tunneling accusation right there. You're saying I'm focused too hard on secondpassing.

I'm not pretending to pressure anyone. I'm dead serious when I say I think secondpassing and yzb25 are cult buddies. You're going to have to come up with a defense other than not taking suspicion of you seriously.

[SuperJack]

Just because people have playstyles you don't like does not make them scum. And is no reason to use this "Policy Lynch" against them. It is basically a weapon to use against new players now.

Suck it.

People play differently.

Don't ever abuse new players. They are learning, they do the basic starter posts.

Also, Post #375, I need to sleep for several hours.. If im unable to read it all, I'll focus on day 2, and the majoirty of what I've read so far.

[SuperJack]

And I wont be voting yet, Because when I do, I wish to make it clear why.

[yzb25]

There's your tunneling accusation right there. You're saying I'm focused too hard on secondpassing.

I'm not pretending to pressure anyone. I'm dead serious when I say I think secondpassing and yzb25 are cult buddies. You're going to have to come up with a defense other than not taking suspicion of you seriously.

Hun, hun, hun. I wasn't tunneling, I was just giving back the love you gave me on d1. It's not so much OMGUS as poetic justice. Here, let me demonstrate:

"I'm going to keep using the fact they lynched together twice to build an attack to mask the fact I'm the one who's actually in the spotlight."

[secondpassing]

And I wont be voting yet, Because when I do, I wish to make it clear why.

No, can you vote now? Just roll a die.
We're not going to pin it against you and we really need to move day 2 along.

[MattZed]

Present one counter-theory to the one I presented that isn't wildly unlikely/implausible, and I'll reduce my vote intention from "to kill" down to "to pressure".

You're admitting you're so sure it's me you'd want to kill regardless of what I claim at L-1. I worry you might be forgetting how to act town.

I've called you and secondpassing (and Mike, let's not let that one get away) as the "shit reasons" voters on deathworlds because you were.

But let's clarify a point, do you actually want a counter-theory to your suggestion that Calix was co-incidentallly killed by Lady Death all while the scum intended to frame her tomorrow, and that MattZed is clearly the only one who supported that plan? If anything, I'm more convinced that you're accusing me of your plan or at least one you thought of last night. Everyone else thinks your theory is bonkers and that cult probably just tailored their own target for obvious reasons.

[secondpassing]

There's your tunneling accusation right there. You're saying I'm focused too hard on secondpassing.

I'm not pretending to pressure anyone. I'm dead serious when I say I think secondpassing and yzb25 are cult buddies. You're going to have to come up with a defense other than not taking suspicion of you seriously.

I have no problem with being focused other than the fact that I know its a waste of time since I know what I am.
That being said, if can get a better read upon you, if I can understand your motivations.

Has your read list been updated? I mean, I know that you have had me pegged as scum for a long time, Toadette as town (?), deathworlds as null, Mikecall as scum, and yzb25 as scum.

Your way of wording is much more calculated than Firebringer's is this game and is why I have a hard time understanding what you are in alignment.

[MattZed]

Hun, hun, hun. I wasn't tunneling, I was just giving back the love you gave me on d1. It's not so much OMGUS as poetic justice. Here, let me demonstrate:

"I'm going to keep using the fact they lynched together twice to build an attack to mask the fact I'm the one who's actually in the spotlight."

lol you have to do it better than that to try to illustrate me having a scum motive. Right now all you're doing is showing that I have a solid case on you two and my defense is that my train is shit. (you two and an OMGUS, really?) Good try on the "mask the fact that I'm the one who's actually in the spotlight" part; does a good job to make it seem like your scumpartner's evidence-less suspicion is the town "spotlight."

So are you going to deal with that fact that I caught secondpassing scumslip or are you just going to bus him later when everyone else realizes he did it?

[yzb25]

You're admitting you're so sure it's me you'd want to kill regardless of what I claim at L-1. I worry you might be forgetting how to act town.

I've called you and secondpassing (and Mike, let's not let that one get away) as the "shit reasons" voters on deathworlds because you were.

But let's clarify a point, do you actually want a counter-theory to your suggestion that Calix was co-incidentallly killed by Lady Death all while the scum intended to frame her tomorrow, and that MattZed is clearly the only one who supported that plan? If anything, I'm more convinced that you're accusing me of your plan or at least one you thought of last night. Everyone else thinks your theory is bonkers and that cult probably just tailored their own target for obvious reasons.

Mattzed, Mattzed, Mattzed! Why would I be interested in a claim I know to be a lie?

Mattzed, Mattzed, Mattzed! I've already covered all the criticisms you have with my theory. Though, you raise two interesting points:

1) Calix was "coincidentally killed". Whoever gets killed by lady death is "coincidentally killed", and the rng kill will inevitably damage/affect things that would have otherwise not been affected. That's called causation. But it's not as unlikely as you make out. From what I can see, LD targeted Toadette, themself, and Calix to make the touch work. It makes perfect sense that LD would focus town-reads.

2) I couldn't have concocted this last night. Who gets killed by Lady Death is random, so I couldn't have planned for it in advance. No, it's just unfortunate you've been fucked by RNG so hard.

Also, don't presume to speak on behalf of the town. It makes you look like you're using mob mentality to manipulate people onto being on your side.

[yzb25]

Mattzed, Mattzed, Mattzed! Why would I be interested in a claim I know to be a lie?

Mattzed, Mattzed, Mattzed! I've already covered all the criticisms you have with my theory. Though, you raise two interesting points:

1) Calix was "coincidentally killed". Whoever gets killed by lady death is "coincidentally killed", and the rng kill will inevitably damage/affect things that would have otherwise not been affected. That's called causation. But it's not as unlikely as you make out. From what I can see, LD targeted Toadette, themself, and Calix to make the touch work. It makes perfect sense that LD would focus town-reads.

2) I couldn't have concocted this last night. Who gets killed by Lady Death is random, so I couldn't have planned for it in advance. No, it's just unfortunate you've been fucked by RNG so hard.

Also, don't presume to speak on behalf of the town. It makes you look like you're using mob mentality to manipulate people onto being on your side.

(and the man still has no counter theory)

[MattZed]

I have no problem with being focused other than the fact that I know its a waste of time since I know what I am.
That being said, if can get a better read upon you, if I can understand your motivations.

Has your read list been updated? I mean, I know that you have had me pegged as scum for a long time, Toadette as town (?), deathworlds as null, Mikecall as scum, and yzb25 as scum.

Your way of wording is much more calculated than Firebringer's is this game and is why I have a hard time understanding what you are in alignment.

If you really can't understand my motivations from the 167 posts I've made this game, you either haven't read them or are desperate to have me die right now and don't care to come up with any sort of reason.

I haven't called you scum before today. In my first readwall you were null-to-scum because I thought your posts made so little sense that I didn't bother trying to figure out what was going on. Don't worry, I'll revisit those in an ISO later today.

[secondpassing]

lol you have to do it better than that to try to illustrate me having a scum motive. Right now all you're doing is showing that I have a solid case on you two and my defense is that my train is shit. (you two and an OMGUS, really?) Good try on the "mask the fact that I'm the one who's actually in the spotlight" part; does a good job to make it seem like your scumpartner's evidence-less suspicion is the town "spotlight."

So are you going to deal with that fact that I caught secondpassing scumslip or are you just going to bus him later when everyone else realizes he did it?

Here was the linear thought pattern to make that "slip"

MattZed hammered -> Why? -> Could have stayed on yzb25 -> decided to hammer -> does he care about having a right lynch? -> is he simply pro-lynch? -> who likes to be pro-lynch? -> neutrals and town -> and scum, but really -> I'm pro-lynch -> why doesn't he defend anyone? -> does he care about who dies? -> does he want to gain credibility? -> probably a neutral only way I can explain it right now -> neutrals need pressure ->

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Read my own post -> what if Mikecall is a TPR? -> probably not worth it right now -> who do I need information from? -> yzb and Mattzed -> yzb is being vocal right now -> hes also defending himself -> should vote Mattzed


vote Mattzed

[yzb25]

lol you have to do it better than that to try to illustrate me having a scum motive. Right now all you're doing is showing that I have a solid case on you two and my defense is that my train is shit. (you two and an OMGUS, really?) Good try on the "mask the fact that I'm the one who's actually in the spotlight" part; does a good job to make it seem like your scumpartner's evidence-less suspicion is the town "spotlight."

So are you going to deal with that fact that I caught secondpassing scumslip or are you just going to bus him later when everyone else realizes he did it?

Okay Mattzed, okay. You got me.

We all vote in unison as a team and townread eachother, because that's the best way to look like town. You cracked our strategy. GG

Permission to end the game, host.

[secondpassing]

Mattzed, Mattzed, Mattzed! Why would I be interested in a claim I know to be a lie?

Mattzed, Mattzed, Mattzed! I've already covered all the criticisms you have with my theory. Though, you raise two interesting points:

1) Calix was "coincidentally killed". Whoever gets killed by lady death is "coincidentally killed", and the rng kill will inevitably damage/affect things that would have otherwise not been affected. That's called causation. But it's not as unlikely as you make out. From what I can see, LD targeted Toadette, themself, and Calix to make the touch work. It makes perfect sense that LD would focus town-reads.

2) I couldn't have concocted this last night. Who gets killed by Lady Death is random, so I couldn't have planned for it in advance. No, it's just unfortunate you've been fucked by RNG so hard.

Also, don't presume to speak on behalf of the town. It makes you look like you're using mob mentality to manipulate people onto being on your side.

Town is a team. You should speak in behalf of your team because we are in this together.

And there is nothing wrong with mob mentality in a mafia game.