S-FM 355: Nonstandard Roles 3

[Luka]

I don't feel like this is a genuine thought, vote-switching at EoD can easily be read or argued as AI almost entirely irrespective of the circumstances. Too-wolf-to-be-a-wolf doesn't really work if its easily wifomable.

Also really just looks at things at sort of a...strange face-value way.

There's no questioning of me about it.

There's no mention of me saying idk about either wagons.

Its just entirely focused on the fact that I switched and that we know one of the flips.

So I can't really buy that if you're town that you're reading me as "prob v" off this.

Thats a perfectly reasonable read. It isn't TWTBAW, wolf wouldn't want to switch. Really confused at this.

[Dark Magician]

tell me what other assumptions you'd like to work from?

Do you think Oli is a wolf? Do you think huo huo is a wolf?

Oli's most recent post is more wolfy than not, but do you have a big issue with my PoE at SoD?

ay yo we need to pressure him
this whole day and whole game feels dead and slow

This also feels like wolf theatre.

[Luka]

Sorry Martin that from what i've played with you I have a different opinion of you than you do of yourself

you don't need to understand my methods of making reads, I'm used to people thinking my methods are pretty stupid and fake.

It's not disrespectful to play the game though and the ego you must have to feel personal disrespect that I'm trying to read you is pretty lol. I don't even know how to read that alignment wise. Probably just makes you more town.

Townie post from Mizery. Genuinly amused at what Martin is saying.

[Dark Magician]

Here is another reason it’s Mizery and Oliver.

Mizery still has refused to vote the Red Checked Cape and I don’t know if they mentioned Cape yet, they clearly had Cape at the lowest priority to execute in their PoE prior to the red check.

Oliver voted me because I didn’t vote Cape and also suspects Auwt for not catching up or whatever.
But doesn’t even look at the fact Mizery is still against voting out Cape.

[Dark Magician]

Townie post from Mizery. Genuinly amused at what Martin is saying.

I think that’s actually quite a Null Post, why is it above Null for you?

[Luka]

I hated backreading this thread. its a talent to expand 1 sentence into 3 paragraphs.

[Luka]

I think that’s actually quite a Null Post, why is it above Null for you?

Martin is clearly pissed that mizery is calling them town and double downing on it is more townie
feels genuinly amused that they think they're unreadable in the third sentence
second sentence having some self awareness on how they play the game is normally townie, or at least echoing it to thread

[Dark Magician]

Obvious Towns:
Porscha
Lily
Martin
Huo Huo
Luka

Confirmed Town:
Helz

[Dark Magician]

Martin is clearly pissed that mizery is calling them town and double downing on it is more townie
feels genuinly amused that they think they're unreadable in the third sentence
second sentence having some self awareness on how they play the game is normally townie, or at least echoing it to thread

This is so easily fakeable as a wolf considering wolf has TMI that Martin is town.
They know Martin is Town.
They can say stuff like this and mean it because they know Martin is town.

[Dark Magician]

Also Mizery never even had Oliver in their final team
thoughts did they? Lol.
Cape was fucked so they gotta protect their last teammate lol.

[Cape90]

i feel bad for not checking in until now, I don't/havent had time. Sup? Where the thread at so far?

[Dark Magician]

I’m sorry but Luka.
If you read over Mizery’s response to Hau Hau after they claimed a red on Cape
Mizery basically said/hinted/softed that Hau Hau could be evil teacher so they aren’t going to vote Cape.
Which is hilarious because Cape would still be mafia.

[Cape90]

Fucked by my schedule maybe

[Dark Magician]

i feel bad for not checking in until now, I don't/havent had time. Sup? Where the thread at so far?

Your Red Checked and Mizery is now obvious wolf that spewed themselves wolf from you.

[Cape90]

Apparently there is a claimed red on me?

Hilarious

But I am town and you will see that with my flip

[Dark Magician]

Apparently there is a claimed red on me?

Hilarious

But I am town and you will see that with my flip

This is TMI.
That isn’t the response to my post, you learned about the red check from an outside source.

So either you are breaking the rules of OC and I should tell the host or mafia in mafia chat told you.

[Dark Magician]

Pick One.

[Cape90]

Your Red Checked and Mizery is now obvious wolf that spewed themselves wolf from you.

No idea what u mean but cool beans I am town flower child ;)

Could save myself but i also wanna out mafia

[Dark Magician]

No idea what u mean but cool beans I am town flower child ;)

Could save myself but i also wanna out mafia

You can’t out mafia by making them execution immune.
You also just softed mafia to me and only I know this from mech lol.

[Dark Magician]

After we get rid of you and Mizery I think I’ll play Tic Tac Toe with Oliver until he perishes.

[Luka]

This is so easily fakeable as a wolf considering wolf has TMI that Martin is town.
They know Martin is Town.
They can say stuff like this and mean it because they know Martin is town.

Yeah, but what I'm asying is they A: Fouund it amusing, sign that they didnt do that
B: double downing on there read, making martin an

[Dark Magician]

Oliver seems like a fun guy to play Tic Tac Toe with.

[Dark Magician]

Yeah, but what I'm asying is they A: Fouund it amusing, sign that they didnt do that
B: double downing on there read, making martin an

It’s still Null, easily doable for Mizery!Wolf Game.

If you want something that makes someone town you gotta look at either PoV or Emotion

The edit was just correcting misspelling on Emotion. Please do not edit. Dark Magician was warned for this. -powerofdeath

[Dark Magician]

PoV’s and Emotion find the town.

Not acting with a “real” response because as I said.
Mafia PoV they know who town is.

[Mizery]

If it's not ultimate tic tac toe who are you

[Dark Magician]

Like that so “real” response of:
I said what I said but the way your acting comes from town.

Wolf POV can easily say this

[Dark Magician]

If it's not ultimate tic tac toe who are you

It will be Oliver being the last mafia celebration tic tac toe.
Don’t worry, he can still see you again as a dead wolf in wolf chat before he goes.

[Dark Magician]

@Hau Hau

Again, so you know the plan.

Target me and Mizery tonight.

[Dark Magician]

@Hau Hau

Again, so you know the plan.

Target me and Mizery tonight.

So um.
I also looked at a role in the game and like if it is present in the game @Mizery your fucked lol.

[Dark Magician]

Legit if your wolf you cannot win out of it.

[Dark Magician]

Oh wait.
Cape is just Evil Flower Child lol.

[Dark Magician]

Also if there is a Cat Lady.

Don’t be afraid to target Mizery, maybe even Oliver if you want.

[Dark Magician]

Also I realized there is 3 Protectives possible in this game so your rather quite safe Hau Hau considering Helz doesn’t need protection due to the Bounty Hunter giving them a permanent one.

[Mizery]

Gotta be honest kinda sucks how little helz has talked so far

[Dark Magician]

Probably bored.

[Mizery]

He didn't talk much last game

[MartinGG99]

Thats a perfectly reasonable read. It isn't TWTBAW, wolf wouldn't want to switch. Really confused at this.

I mean if you call something a bad look then say a wolf wouldn't do that

that's litterally the essence of TWTBAW

because otherwise it wouldn't be a bad look in the first place

[MartinGG99]

Martin is clearly pissed

I have no clue where you got this from.

I haven't really used any strong language really outside of maybe reasoning for arguments, I think.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

explain/expand pl0x @Marshmallow Marshall

fmpov I've been seeing the same-ish things that DM has, at least the stuff that DM has mentioned

It's more of a tone / general lack of scumminess thing. Mizery feels... idk, genuinely trying to solve? ISOing them for further analysis.
yes i actually should've done that earlier but i guess i was just too tired to think of it lol


Okay um, reading Mizery's posts in ISO format does make them look pretty bad in the end. Lots of questions with no follow-up whatsoever, lack of any followable progression, very importantly lack of votes to pressure or to follow the mouth (example: addressing Lily's posts without actually concluding anything about her alignment; actually I could see that interaction being scum theatre)... Also just realized their vote on Baker is RIDICULOUSLY UNEXPLAINED

Lentil soup is kind of a mediterranean thing. It is one of my fav soups to make 10/10

Have we played before btw?

I thought not tbh, but my gf told me that I have played with you before even though i don't remember it

This quote above is the ONLY interaction Mizery had with Baker. Then...

Honestly

-vote bakermir

Yeah, that's actually bloody horrible lmao

Okay so SCRATCH WHAT I SAID BEFORE, Mizery is scummy. Their posts don't look that bad in the context of the thread, but when read in ISO format... Eww lol.
I should use ISO more ig

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Seeing Luka townread pretty much everything, sooo
Do you have any scumreads, good sir?

Also, where is @Auwt ? He hasn't been around in ages, and lots of things have happened. Reads?

[MartinGG99]

I’m sorry but Luka.
If you read over Mizery’s response to Hau Hau after they claimed a red on Cape
Mizery basically said/hinted/softed that Hau Hau could be evil teacher so they aren’t going to vote Cape.
Which is hilarious because Cape would still be mafia.

Looked back at this and I think you've probably read ISOs instead of the thread, reading it in ISO format I can see that.

Outside of ISOs its a fairly big stretch that's what they were implicitly saying.

Also Oli's d1 case on Baker was an example of how even stuff we directly say could be a mistake/misinterpreted or whatever.

[MartinGG99]

After reading several more DM posts, I'm just going to assume the part of the brain responsible for conf-biasing so that we make stretchy arguments went haywire on DM's brain.

It doesn't really change my opinions right now though. Just wanted to be clear whatever DM says isn't really my own arguments even if we may have similar conclusions on stuff.

[MartinGG99]

It's more of a tone / general lack of scumminess thing. Mizery feels... idk, genuinely trying to solve? ISOing them for further analysis.
yes i actually should've done that earlier but i guess i was just too tired to think of it lol


Okay um, reading Mizery's posts in ISO format does make them look pretty bad in the end. Lots of questions with no follow-up whatsoever, lack of any followable progression, very importantly lack of votes to pressure or to follow the mouth (example: addressing Lily's posts without actually concluding anything about her alignment; actually I could see that interaction being scum theatre)... Also just realized their vote on Baker is RIDICULOUSLY UNEXPLAINED



This quote above is the ONLY interaction Mizery had with Baker. Then...



Yeah, that's actually bloody horrible lmao

Okay so SCRATCH WHAT I SAID BEFORE, Mizery is scummy. Their posts don't look that bad in the context of the thread, but when read in ISO format... Eww lol.
I should use ISO more ig

thanks for your input

that's basically what I was thinking -- they aren't really solving (or if they are it isn't very clear from time to time imo). I mean that more like in reference to a broader behavior rather than "oh hey they put a read out that's solving"

[Marshmallow Marshall]

LIST OF READS - MID-D2



Helz - duh

Huo Huo - the odds of their claim being false are very low
Martin - generally solvy tone, asking questions with follow-ups, voting Huo with me at EoD is a good look (no reason for scum to follow me there, knowing that Baker was town), also called me performative early (meta says town because he seems to always think I'm performative because I do things lol); general lack of red flags

Dark Magician - his "thug life townie style" annoys me, but I think he's genuine in it lol, there's also a visible progression

Oliverz - looked like he was genuinely happy to have "found scum" when he voted Baker on D1; weak D2 so far, though, actually kinda suspicious, so he doesn't get to enter townread heaven
Scumbot - Pretty much like Dark Magician, but weaker, idk; could easily be neutral, but probably not scum
Luka - gut town
Porscha - gut town from early game, but decaying a lot from... literally not existing


--- Null zone ---

Bunch of unimpressive inactives - Varcron, Auwt

--- Null zone ---


Lilypetal - generally unimpressive, early D1 post pings me (already mentioned that a lot), fits in pretty much all scum teams, there seems to be resistance to pushing her for a reason I fail to understand = suspicious
Mizery - see my recent post regarding her ISO

Cape - I believe Huo

[MartinGG99]

Gotta be honest kinda sucks how little helz has talked so far

FOR REAL tbh

maybe thanksgiving is messing with stuff

although it wouldn't surprise me if Helz is being intentionally quiet

generally (not always) higher-skill players will shut the heck up if they're confirmed just because they don't want wolves strategizing around them and their opinions

though helz has to abide by the 24 hour 5 post requirement and also like there's nothing preventing him from shitposting in the meanwhile so idk

[MartinGG99]

Martin - [snip] also called me performative early (meta says town because he seems to always think I'm performative because I do things lol)

Its not my fault if you don't act hard enough



I just wanted an excuse to use it lol

[Helz]

FOR REAL tbh

maybe thanksgiving is messing with stuff

although it wouldn't surprise me if Helz is being intentionally quiet

generally (not always) higher-skill players will shut the heck up if they're confirmed just because they don't want wolves strategizing around them and their opinions

though helz has to abide by the 24 hour 5 post requirement and also like there's nothing preventing him from shitposting in the meanwhile so idk

D1 I was intentionally quiet. I do fully intend on being much more active the second half of D2. Had to handle some stuff this morning and I am about to run to my girlfriends modeling event.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Its not my fault if you don't act hard enough



I just wanted an excuse to use it lol

XD
you're making me chuckle irl, this is illegal

[Helz]

A few thoughts after catching up-
As it was pointed out the Bounty Hunter on me does provide me with night immunity.
I also feel its very important that I am killed by D4 as that not doing so grants them both Night immunity and Lynch immunity.

Looking through the roles I think its most likely that the Mafia kill landed on me and I was protected. I was expecting a 2kpn so potentials in my mind for a corruptor to exist. EOD2 will solve that for us otherwise there is a werewolf with night/lynch immunity or an evil teacher that made a bad guess.

Still the possibility that he's the evil teacher and not grave digger

I do not understand the logic that Huo could be an evil teacher. Evil Teacher is not an information gathering role, its a killing role so the only potential there is if Cape is not town and is also night immune while me being protected kept me alive which is both extremely unlikely and would require Huo to leverage themselves based on these improbable assumptions.

We do still need to consider Cape's role given there is a pro-town utility role in neutrals but it would be a very tough sell for us to do so. The only real potential I could see is if I marry them to grab their exact role and we let them fight for a town win or bounty hunter kill before D4. The downside would be that if they are some other flavor of evil and bounty hunter is killed I will need to die to take them down.

[MartinGG99]

Pondering the the cape claim

with bounty hunter out

mafia flower child prob makes more sense than town

mafia would need the extra protection if they got unlucky and no one was confirmed town, as well as the possibility of bounty hunter denying a mafia kill

that's my 2 cents of setup speculation