Hi Mesk
No, not BECAUSE they pressure voted her too quickly. Although Orpz leaving after joining a train seems a bit suspect.
I don't think that tunneling to a lynch gives the most information D1. I think that (especially in a nightless game), putting up a bunch of trains and seeing interactions and who is willing to hop on what trains and not on others gives us the most information. In fact, I think that having multiple players get up to L-1 on D1 but were let live in favor of a different D1 lynch gives us the most information moving forward.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
The issue is not that she jokes, the issue is that she made the joke her defense. If she can make herself a joke, and her whole lynch a joke, noone will take it seriously, and then she can fade back into the background and do jackshit for the rest of the game. It's pretty clear Crypt and Titus think Mesk is the best vote on the table currently, even if Orpz is being a slimeball.
And it seems pretty clear that she is at least half-seriously pushing the idea that lynching all the best players is the optimal strategy, anyway.
I concur your statements regarding Orpz. I don't feel the same way about Titus, though.
See your mindset is more "put pressure on a player and get alignment info" which I like.
Iced's mindset is more "let's policy lynch Whad and if Whad is actually town then its not that bad anyway"
These assumptions are biased toward Whad being scum, but this opportunity to have a good footing D2 still exists if he is town.
Lol ok glad to hear we're cool. I define all policy lynches as low hanging fruit.
If hard to read players have less interactions with others then how would we ever get reads on them? The only way to know for sure is to lynch or use threat of lynch.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I was making a point. Mesk's point is that she's cool with being lynched as long as we lynch Matt, Orpz and Crypt after her death. And she says people will follow through on that because of host meta and shallow VCA.
The answer to the blue question is supposed to be a resounding "no I wouldn't sheep a dead town's reads if they're shit".
Thought of another reason why this post bothers me. Iced calls me out as the only person who hasn't posted yet, when in fact MattZed hasn't checked in.
I half feel like this was an agenda that Iced wanted to push and didn't count on me being available so close to the time of game start (since I'm not usually on until much later). Not sure if this is paranoia. Feels like he just whipped this up pre-game and posted once he saw I came online since I'm not invisible. It would also have been easy to see in a p-edit that I had posted literally before this one post and had in fact checked in making his post obsolete.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I'll be retiring now. Goodnight.
I glanced at the signs list and overlooked MZ, you were the only one I hadnt see check in yet. You checking in didnt strengthen or weaken my premise, so i didnt feel the need to make a note of it.
I agree with your tunnel train vs array train sentiment however. Im willing to consider others for the centrepiece role.
I do still disagree in lynching a hard to read, over a vocal (therefore easier to read) candidate for d1 however.
Monopoly of the Iced variety
Thanks.
What kind of tell is an un-consigning? Town or scumtell?
Given that Iced has claimed NOT to have beef with me, I'd say it's not an un-consigning view... Which then makes me feel worse about his posts. I initially read the options as town with beef or opportunistic scum. And if Iced claims not to be town with beef, then I'm forced to put more weight on the opportunistic scum lean.
-vote Iced_Monopoly
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Post your fucking thoughts on people. It doesn't matter if they're bad, just fucking do it. Argue with me too while you're at it. Otherwise, if you've already decided you'd rather get lynched like a twat, then just go shitpost in CJ dammit, because "omg she's so carefree she must be town" won't work.
God, it's like you're deliberately poking my autism with a stick Mesk =(
@Titus @SuerJack;
Can you tell me what you think about Iced Monopoly's plan for D1? I'd like a second opinion since it's possible my judgement is clouded since I'm the target of it.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Whilst it is true that vocal players are easy to read, it is not necessarily true of the inverse, playerd are hard to read because theyre not vocal.
My sentiment is that weaker players, when forced to talk alot, if scum, are likely to volunteer information, or provide TMI.
Stronger players that are hard to read can chat just as much, but are likely to be more cautious is what they post and in what tone.
Also a weak scum could retreat entirely. A weak town is likely to continue talking, like the weak scum, but wont provide TMI or slip, because they have nothing extra to slip to make the mistake
Monopoly of the Iced variety
Since I said I would continue to make reads of other players. I will agree with yzb that its frustrating that mesk is not making reads.
In a game with only VTs she should be avtively making reads based on interactions between players, instead shes resigning herself to not committing to anything and joking about instead.
A case could be made that shes uncomfortable or perhaps finding it difficult providing reads when shes scum against a list of only citizens
However, mesk has played scum in this setup before, and if anything would be better equipped to deal with d1 as scum if she rerolled it. It also, as a meta read, vomes across as bored townie who doesnt give a fuck about d1.
If mesk is town, which i believe she is, I would expect her to step up her game, even if she is bored.
Monopoly of the Iced variety
Why would stronger players need to be cautious in this game? In a nightless setup like this, it's as much your role to figure out who the scum are as to communicate a townish disposition/alignment to the other townies. There are literally no TPRs or anything that any player would need to hide.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
There is still a coordinated scum team in play. Any and all interactions are points of interest for the scum team to conceal or expose, depending on what strategies they employ (bussing, distancing etc). So it would make sense for a player to be reserved, or calculated about what they post.
Monopoly of the Iced variety
I think your point here only confirms mine though. That a townsperson has nothing to worry about when they post so they don't have anything to conceal while a scumperson knows the identity of the coordinated scum team so they (and only they!) must be concerned with concealing information.
Would a stronger player who is town need to be cautious and concerned with what they post?
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Very rarely a town player would be, if they found partner theory they lacled evidence for. That does not seem like Mesk though.
wtf
I had to do some work today, but I didn't want to just say "Lol brb work".
WTF I HATE SUPERJACK NOW
On the real though, Whad makes a good point. There's no reason to troll on Day 1 because every day's going to be basically as blind as Day 1.
Spoiler : Orpz FM History :
Here are my thoughts before retiring for the evening.
Town
Mesk514 - current play is in line with town meta. Will be watching to see if activity drops off. Also, since I believe this slot is town we could really use the help with analyzing and pushing other players.
yzb25 - I like this slot's analysis of Mesk, and questioning a variety of players. I think this slot may not have played enough games with Mesk to realize that while her behavior is anti-town, it's not scum.
Superjack - Like the soft probes at players. Less sure about this one than mesk or yzb.
Not enough info:
Iced_Monopoly - I think this slot is pretty scummy because of the whole "focus on weak players while giving hard to read players a free pass" thing, but I have scumread this slot when we are mutually town before.
Gyrlander - the "If I was mafia I would kill yzb at night" thing is a little awkward, but I'm ever so slightly townleaning on it
Orpz - slight scumlean for acknowledging that town should be active/not troll yet doesn't really boost up in activity level.
Mattzed - hasn't posted
Scum:
Titus - way underperforming here.
Cryptonic - also way under performing
-vote Cryptonic
I feel pretty good about this vote since it will hopefully produce more content from a slot that I feel is not being productive and underperforming. Also, not a player in my town pile.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
How in the world do you Town read Superjack and simultaneously Not Enough Info Iced_Monopoly? Iced has the second most posts here, and if someone who posted that much can't give you a lean, then you have a scum lean on them.
Also your scum reads on Titus and Cryptonic are lazy and based off of meta. I don't necessarily disagree tho
Spoiler : Orpz FM History :
My not enough info on Iced_Monopoly has nothing to do with his quantity of posts. Logically, I find a large portion of what he said extremely scummy. However, I am putting him in "not enough info" since literally every game I've played with Iced (when we've both been town), I've found him extremely scummy since I think we have very different reasoning styles. So I guess what I'm trying to say about iced, is that for now his super scummy posts are NAI to me.
In a game where there are no nightkills and no PRs, it makes 0 sense for players to hold back at all. Cryptonic is worse than Titus imo because the active trolling/wikipedia copy pasta is like, negative utility for the town.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I think Cryptonic is a good place to start. Orpz continous one-liners where he comes, votes with shitty / random reasoning and then leaves is suspicious as well. And MZ being busy....
I hope all 3 FM Gods aren't mafia together
Thank you Anonymous Donor
@Cryptonic I'm curious what you think about Gyr's posts at the start.
Spoiler : Posts in question :
At first, he said the contradiction regarding nightkills was an attempt to softclaim town. However, he then changed his alibi to simply "I forgot the setup was nightless". Even though:
1) The setup is called nightless.
2) He has clearly read the setup, because he's familiar with the lore:
- if he remembers the setup's lore, it makes it EXTREMELY unlikely he'd forget the setup's most important feature - that there's no nightkills.
Orpz read this as Gyrlander trying too hard to look town, by feigning being unaware of the scum mechanics:
What do you think of Gyr's "If I was mafia, you would die tonight", in light of the above context?
What do you think of Orpz voting Gyr because of it?
What do you think of Gyr's posts since then, if you have any recollection of them?