S-FM A Forum Mafia Spring Beginning

[Rachyl]

I understand you're town and have no intention to deceive us, but your friend SP strictly reads that both Dougler and I are scum. If you strongly believe Dougler, then how can you support someone who disagrees with at least half of your stance? I believe dougler to be town also, and SP hasn't relented in his attack on me and has still ignored my earlier posts.

Dougler is trying hard to help the town thats how i know he is Town and not Mafia

[Fury]

Dougler is trying hard to help the town thats how i know he is Town and not Mafia

Ok, then we have the same read on why Dougler is town. Now, Dougler was previously attacking me and then went to defending me. If you view him as town, then you have to agree that he, as a town member, views me as town. Due to this, SP's claim is confusing.

[thedougler]

That is what you do. You nitpick inconsistents.
I am not trying to make up some random new read. I said a long time ago him and Fury.
What is there for me to defend? I don't see a case.

I am not voting anyone but Fury and Doug. I am not quick hammering anyone. I am town.

If you suspect Fury why isn't your suspicion piqued by the fact he just canceled his vote on ccantman? Does that not suggest collusion to you? I'm just bringing it up because it is making me second guess my hard stance against you. Perhaps it is ccantman/Fury that are the scum and not you two.

[Fury]

If ccantman is scum then I am 100% convinced srceenplay is as well. As I have already stated I am fine with a lynch on either one today. It is up to the rest of the town to decide this. Doesn't help some of us seem to be going afk at this crucial time.

I have a scum read on both of them as well. However, I have the largest scum read on SP for reasons stated above.

[Fury]

If you suspect Fury why isn't your suspicion piqued by the fact he just canceled his vote on ccantman? Does that not suggest collusion to you? I'm just bringing it up because it is making me second guess my hard stance against you. Perhaps it is ccantman/Fury that are the scum and not you two.

Read my post, I canceled my vote because ccantman was L-1 and SP could hammer in a vote to appear as town if the two were mafia. If 1 was mafia and 1 was town, then it was a 50/50.

[Fury]

If you suspect Fury why isn't your suspicion piqued by the fact he just canceled his vote on ccantman? Does that not suggest collusion to you? I'm just bringing it up because it is making me second guess my hard stance against you. Perhaps it is ccantman/Fury that are the scum and not you two.

Also, my scum read on him was largely based in him voting me and not changing his mind despite numerous requests for him to analyze my logic. Finally, he decided to. SP, however, has not.

[thedougler]

Actually, why would I let SP hammer the vote last second? If ccantman isn't scum, then mafia could hammer a vote and potentially get away with it tomorrow. I will standby to hammer a vote if needed. In the meantime, I want to hear a defense.

For now,

-unvote

I just realized that Gyrlander is far and away the most experienced player here and he left his vote on alijach before he left.

I just changed my mind on SP and now it's back again after his most recent post. Does anyone else see this or should I write everything out.

Seriously less than 3 hours left and you derail the vote??? Who is your primary suspect now, because you don't just get to derail this without a viable theory. You concede that your earlier vote on srceenplay was poorly reasoned AND it makes it look like there is collusion between you two. Then you appeal to the authority of the "most experienced player" when Gyrlander himself is an unknown entity who replaced an AFK. You're really fishy RN.

[Fury]

Based on SP's reluctance to look at my logic, I want to lynch him. If you've played with me in the mod, the thing I hate the most when I'm town are irrational players. It means if we fuck up, then irrational players will easily be persuaded by evils. Town members are good, and reason should eventually lead to that being discovered.

[srceenplay]

srceenplay continuously making excuses for the newbie and townreading ccantman.



srceenplay broaches the possibility of lynching ccantman, but then aggressively pursues Fury.



ccantman cooperated with srceenplay against Fury, and stuppornly parked his vote for some time. This is before ccantman decided to buddy me.



Constantly pressures us about the clock without making substantive reads on anyone. Padding out his post count.



Basically wants to random someone to avoid a no lynch. Not scummy in that he wants to lynch, but he is wasting time and avoids making aggressive reads on anyone.



Holy crap he's still going on about the damn setup:



Useless derailment by casting shade on confirmed town:

1 I was giving my read.

2 I said I want to lynch Fury "instead of were others were looking" cantman

3

4

5 talking about setup and analyzing is something they have done all day. It's consistent and something I would call playstyle.

6 I think we can all agree if Rachyl didn't claim doctor we all would of lynched her. Not really derailed anything.

[srceenplay]

No, I did not say that. You are straw-manning my argument. I have not scum read you for thinking I was evil until you ignored my logic for 2 days and have yet to respond. Now, you even say "which posts." You clearly haven't been reading or paying attention. Since you've been so oblivious, do you even know what Rachyl's role is?

Well explain it then.

[Fury]

Seriously less than 3 hours left and you derail the vote??? Who is your primary suspect now, because you don't just get to derail this without a viable theory. You concede that your earlier vote on srceenplay was poorly reasoned AND it makes it look like there is collusion between you two. Then you appeal to the authority of the "most experienced player" when Gyrlander himself is an unknown entity who replaced an AFK. You're really fishy RN.

I didn't derail the vote with less than 3 hours left. The vote an hour ago was against you and I voiced my opinion on why I didn't think it was you. Why didn't you complain that time when I "derailed the vote?" If you've been reading my posts and paying attention, you'll know I've been begging SP to read my posts and respond. Check my post history. I will wait.

[Rachyl]

The prime suspects are Fury, Ccantman, and Screenplay. with a huge emphasis on Ccantman.

[ccantman]

srceenplay continuously making excuses for the newbie and townreading ccantman.

This is based on the assumption that screenplay and I are mafia buddies then? and If screenplay is mafia, then defending me makes me mafia?

srceenplay broaches the possibility of lynching ccantman, but then aggressively pursues Fury.

I assume this is the same as above?

ccantman cooperated with srceenplay against Fury, and stuppornly parked his vote for some time. This is before ccantman decided to buddy me.

SP wanted 1 of 3 people. Fury was on my mind since Day 1 ended. His pick of 3 was irrelavant to my choice.
I didn't buddy you. It was after we started posting those game thoughs. I switch from Fury to SP as Fury was no longer under my suspicion, and SP's responses that nitpicked against you became things that didn't seem right.

Constantly pressures us about the clock without making substantive reads on anyone. Padding out his post count.

My vote was on fury that whole time. I gave my point of view with that. No one else had votes that time. And for about 24 hours, no one said anything waiting for the replacement. I had my view point. everyone else had there. there was no conving anyone at that point. But look now, we hav

Basically wants to random someone to avoid a no lynch. Not scummy in that he wants to lynch, but he is wasting time and avoids making aggressive reads on anyone.

My point was to actually avoid the random lynch as it was low shot of working. But pointing out that if we didn't lynch, we are still in a poor position.

Holy crap he's still going on about the damn setup:

There was discussion about lynching the afk and lurkers. we know our numbers. it was best to get the active mafia over the afk mafia that may not even exist. We know one of the actives was mafia based on numbers. this post was showing those numbers

Useless derailment by casting shade on confirmed town:

Yes in retrospec not the best use of time, it was just eating at me

[Fury]

The prime suspects are Fury, Ccantman, and Screenplay. with a huge emphasis on Ccantman.

I have already said I believe ccantman and SP to both be scum.

[Fury]

@srceenplay , https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ginning/page14

Read those posts. If you can't be bothered to read all of them, then read the last one.

[Fury]

Both of you idiots accused me of being mafia based on faulty logic. I only haven't lynched ccantman because he realized that. You, have not.

[Fury]

And yes, you both are idiots.

[Fury]

I am Fury-ous.

[Fury]

Lastly, if Alijach doesn't start talking, I'm voting him from the first second on day 3.

[Fury]

Considering I was upset with myself that I hammered Varnic too quickly, why are people so confused that I'm waiting to hammer ccantman? I even said that when I unvoted.

Ok,

-vote ccantman

If SP hammers the vote before he responds, then I will look to lynch him tomorrow.

[Fury]

Can't edit my posts, but I quoted the wrong post.

Actually, why would I let SP hammer the vote last second? If ccantman isn't scum, then mafia could hammer a vote and potentially get away with it tomorrow. I will standby to hammer a vote if needed. In the meantime, I want to hear a defense.

For now,

-unvote

[thedougler]

5 talking about setup and analyzing is something they have done all day. It's consistent and something I would call playstyle.

Scum playstyle maybe, but tends to smother actual discussion, especially when it happens into d2 and beyond.

6 I think we can all agree if Rachyl didn't claim doctor we all would of lynched her. Not really derailed anything.

I think casting doubt on Rachyl as late into d2 as ccantman did is counterproductive. And maybe you would have lynched her if you hadn't forced her to claim doc, but you can't speak for the rest of us

The fact you feel the need to respond to post that condemns ccantman in the first place speaks volumes. Peas in a pod, you two.

[srceenplay]

I only see one question their from you Fury.
I did answer it. I said when I get home I will.
About another 30 min until home.

[srceenplay]

Scum playstyle maybe, but tends to smother actual discussion, especially when it happens into d2 and beyond.



I think casting doubt on Rachyl as late into d2 as ccantman did is counterproductive. And maybe you would have lynched her if you hadn't forced her to claim doc, but you can't speak for the rest of us

The fact you feel the need to respond to post that condemns ccantman in the first place speaks volumes. Peas in a pod, you two.

I'm giving my opinion. I don't think she was casting doubt. Just expressing that the didn't like their posts.
At least that's how I see it.

Shouldn't be a discussion right now, no.

[thedougler]

This is based on the assumption that screenplay and I are mafia buddies then? and If screenplay is mafia, then defending me makes me mafia?




I assume this is the same as above?



SP wanted 1 of 3 people. Fury was on my mind since Day 1 ended. His pick of 3 was irrelavant to my choice.
I didn't buddy you. It was after we started posting those game thoughs. I switch from Fury to SP as Fury was no longer under my suspicion, and SP's responses that nitpicked against you became things that didn't seem right.



My vote was on fury that whole time. I gave my point of view with that. No one else had votes that time. And for about 24 hours, no one said anything waiting for the replacement. I had my view point. everyone else had there. there was no conving anyone at that point. But look now, we hav



My point was to actually avoid the random lynch as it was low shot of working. But pointing out that if we didn't lynch, we are still in a poor position.





There was discussion about lynching the afk and lurkers. we know our numbers. it was best to get the active mafia over the afk mafia that may not even exist. We know one of the actives was mafia based on numbers. this post was showing those numbers




Yes in retrospec not the best use of time, it was just eating at me

Even now you play defensively without telling us who you think is scum or why? Do you see what I mean, @everyone?

[Fury]

First I'm scum for hammering too soon and now I'm scum for fearing a swift hammer?

[Fury]

Even now you play defensively without telling us who you think is scum or why? Do you see what I mean, @everyone?

I agree. I asked him for some specific reads, but he isn't taking a hard stance either way.

[srceenplay]

Someone who has this as their first game is still trying to figure out optimal play style.
So I don't read it as scumy.

[Rachyl]

Even now you play defensively without telling us who you think is scum or why? Do you see what I mean, @everyone?

yeah i see exactly what you mean. I was looking at his posts thats why i have voted him up

[ccantman]

Even now you play defensively without telling us who you think is scum or why? Do you see what I mean, @everyone?

I've said I though SP was scum for the last 2 hours. I don't see what you mean. And as I'm at a virtual L-1, would I not play defensively? So I don't get what you mean

[srceenplay]

I gotta drive.
BBL

[ccantman]

Are my posts saying why I think SP is scum not actually coming across me saying my ideas properly??

[thedougler]

I'm giving my opinion. I don't think she was casting doubt. Just expressing that the didn't like their posts.
At least that's how I see it.

Shouldn't be a discussion right now, no.

That's what casting doubt is.... You seem to be pulling some crazy mental gymnastics to avoid voting ccantman. I'm happy to have the discussion last another 2 hours, but I just hope Alijach or Gyrlander will drop in before it's too late so evils can't stall us out.

[Fury]

That's what casting doubt is.... You seem to be pulling some crazy mental gymnastics to avoid voting ccantman. I'm happy to have the discussion last another 2 hours, but I just hope Alijach or Gyrlander will drop in before it's too late so evils can't stall us out.

What I'm more blown away by is the fact that he has been targeting you for the last 48 hours, yet you've said nothing in response. It almost makes me feel like he's going hard against you so that if he flips scum, then no one would check you. I read you as town, but frankly you're completely ignoring SP going against you.

[Rachyl]

hay Dougler, did you cast a vote yet?

[Fury]

That's what casting doubt is.... You seem to be pulling some crazy mental gymnastics to avoid voting ccantman. I'm happy to have the discussion last another 2 hours, but I just hope Alijach or Gyrlander will drop in before it's too late so evils can't stall us out.

In this way, it seems (perhaps falsely) that you're the one pulling some mental gymnastics to avoid voting SP.

[Fury]

@thedougler , I just find it questionable that you have dropped your case against him so quickly.

[thedougler]

What I'm more blown away by is the fact that he has been targeting you for the last 48 hours, yet you've said nothing in response. It almost makes me feel like he's going hard against you so that if he flips scum, then no one would check you. I read you as town, but frankly you're completely ignoring SP going against you.

Oh I've been keeping tabs on srceenplay, believe me. I am still fine with getting either one.

-unvote

hay Dougler, did you cast a vote yet?

Yep my vote was on ccantman for the last little while. Putting it back on srceenplay.

[thedougler]

-vote srceenplay

[Fury]

Oh I've been keeping tabs on srceenplay, believe me. I am still fine with getting either one.

-unvote

Yep my vote was on ccantman for the last little while. Putting it back on srceenplay.

I'm not asking you to cancel your vote. I frankly view ccantman as scum and intend to hammer him, but SP has just concerned me more. No one has addressed that he finds both of us as the only evils, despite no evidence supporting that. I have asked him to explain his logic and he hasn't

Where ccantman won't make a hard claim, SP has made 2 hard claims - both without evidence.

[ccantman]

I'm not asking you to cancel your vote. I frankly view ccantman as scum and intend to hammer him, but SP has just concerned me more. No one has addressed that he finds both of us as the only evils, despite no evidence supporting that. I have asked him to explain his logic and he hasn't

Where ccantman won't make a hard claim, SP has made 2 hard claims - both without evidence.

I'm confused, how am I not hard claiming SP. am I just missing some nuiance?

[Fury]

I'm confused, how am I not hard claiming SP. am I just missing some nuiance?

You hard claiming SP is like a dude with a gun pointed to his head saying "not me, him"

[Fury]

If you find posts of yours where you claimed SP before all of this started, then I'll give you credit.

[Rachyl]

-vote srcreenplay

[ccantman]

You hard claiming SP is like a dude with a gun pointed to his head saying "not me, him"

Didn't I say SP was mafia before the gun was pointed at me?

We started to give opionons around post 350. Screenplay gave his vote on doug. I gave my vote on SP at post 371.

Its after that time, everyone started to turn on me

[srceenplay]

I'm at home.
Eating dinner.
How much more time is left.

I see they are still throwing shade at one another.

[Fury]

Ok, I did find you take a hard stance against SP, so I take back what I said. Still, you took so long to actually come to a hard stance. I still think you're scum for that reason, to be frank. You wasted a lot of time, and honestly you seem like exactly the type of player who needs a mentor. Why didn't you ask for one? Like I have been saying, the only reason why I haven't voted you already is because I think SP is more scum.

[thedougler]

-vote srcreenplay

You made a typo there bud. The vote didn't register.

[ccantman]

Ok, I did find you take a hard stance against SP, so I take back what I said. Still, you took so long to actually come to a hard stance. I still think you're scum for that reason, to be frank. You wasted a lot of time, and honestly you seem like exactly the type of player who needs a mentor. Why didn't you ask for one? Like I have been saying, the only reason why I haven't voted you already is because I think SP is more scum.

I thought learning would of been easier without a mentor. Also thought everyone would be new, so even without one, we would all be on a relatively even playing field. And then a bunch of experience players came in making it harder to judge good from bad

[Rachyl]

You made a typo there bud. The vote didn't register.

huh what typo? his screename is actually srcreenplay. not screenplay.