S-FM 327 : Last Hope

[blinkskater]

frinckles is literally telling the truth tho lol

Yep

[WrathCyber]

Sorry guys I gotta go. But I'll be back by the end of tomorrow to clear up any misconceptions.

[Oberon]

dah fuck, that varcron flip flop is real
wrath+varcron never SVS.
Bad look on wrath actually

why?

[Varcron]

If you have those characteristics as either alignment, it's still fair game. You're just as likely to be scum as town from that alone, the difference is I see those as scum qualities. My biggest gripe is that you haven't actually formed any strong opinions on questions you've asked others to answer (you've even asked people to explain different things four times in your ISO lol.) There's been more than enough discourse for you to push someone. It's just convenient that you've also been one of the least pushed players.

I was referencing your vote on ZZOrange.

You haven't exactly been forthcoming with them if you have any.

ugly colors

I know they're ugly.

My vote is staying on ZZOrange until he speaks or otherwise, I feel as though my opinion of everyone else as of now is solid enough to where I can safely leave my vote on him. If he is town he is basically throwing by not being part of the game, and as an AFK wolf basically the same but on the scum side. His opinion of voting the highest voted person is honestly really bad, and it's safer to get him out now rather than have him continue tomorrow.

[blinkskater]

tonally, this sounds like a newbie that unfortunately rolled scum




contradiction
considering these are wrath's very first FM posts and that he's a player from the mod, i've to say that wrath is playing like many scum players on the mod. he creates confusion.



doesn't even point out which post is "overcomplicating" the game for town, but i assume he was referring to varcron here



wrath is using big words here, but his read on lagattack doesn't make sense. he doesn't go into detail why lagattack is "clearly manipulating us." strangely, he puts lagattack in the "Scumish" category too with zzOrange. however, his reason for scumreading zz is kinda bs too. since this was the very beginning of the game, i won't ding him too much for the zz read. however, if wrath flips scum, i'm most likely going to read zz as town



the only info you need to take from this is that wrath was AGREEING with varc here



for context purposes, this is literally just two posts after. note how in the reads list i quoted, he had varc as a top town, then when he listed the "Scum" as AFK lurkers, said he was agreeing with varc here. people changing minds in RVS stage isn't typically scummy, but this is a very drastic change in his opinion of varc.





more attacks on varcron



this looks like it helps town, but it really doesn't >_>
i can't tell if wrath is trying to fake being helpful or if he's actually trying to help.




more attacks on varcron



i personally find his yuesford read to be odd. does anyone else think yuesford is a templar?? the fact he used "freudian slip" to suggest yuesford is also odd. perhaps he's bringing a grudge from the mod into this game??

his crichard scumread is based on tone and inaccurate information (this is crichard's first fm on this site, not his first fm in general)



wayward?? why r u so confident that oberon is town?



more confidence in oberon's towniness

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the biggest scumtell is his "jester-read" on lagattack. i don't think we should ever see wrath as town for this, and i'll explain why. i've seen a thousand players on the mod sow confusion with pretty random posts, and i don't think u can get more random in this game than claiming lagattack is a jester. he seems to have backtracked off that strategy since then, but i get the feeling that's just because he realized this wasn't a viable strategy in FM, which lasts way longer than games on the mod.

it's not surprising that wrath scumread varc, since varc "always looks scummy," but his shift from seeing varc as town to scum is too drastic to make me think it's genuine.

players on the mod tend to vote with and defend their scum teammates. rn, wrath is clearly defending oberon. wrath doesn't know oberon's meta, so i find it hard to believe that wrath is a villager who saw oberon's blatantly scummy posts, then jumped ahead a few steps to not only townread oberon but also scumread varcron and lagattack, who suspect oberon of being scum. also, as auwt said, there wasn't a n0 for the mafia to discuss their strategy, so if oberon is scum, there's no way he could've told wrath to consider bussing.

this is purely a tonal argument, but wrath sounds too confident in his reads. this is likely a big scumtell if you consider a world where he's a newbie scum who doesn't know that scum should act like they don't know anyone else's faction is. wrath has not given that "confused townie" vibe all game

finally, i agree with whoever said wrath is a "frozen scum." wrath's playstyle reminds me a lot of my very first scum game. i didn't know how to interact with my teammates in the thread or how to convince everyone i was town while voting town out, so i kind of just AFK'ed. to me, wrath definitely looks like he's lurking too much for a noob town

@Oberon look at cekos ISO here and read Wraths Varcron reads.

It doesn't align with the last few pages of things he has been saying.

Also there's a huge differential on town/scum varcron

[Oberon]

zzorange’s entrance was really town, he should not get voted today
also, idk why Wrath flipflopping is bad, that’s town indicative? for a new player he’s doing really well, and his thoughts are easy to follow
there are many other people we should lynch before wrath, like lag, yuesford, or pornhack

[OzyWho]

fuq you

You know it's true though.
If you feel like you're on to something with Varcron, could you perhaps write some big ass sexy wall post in your Last Will during the night; with quotes and shit? :P

Egoistical of me, I know.

[blinkskater]

I know they're ugly.

My vote is staying on ZZOrange until he speaks or otherwise, I feel as though my opinion of everyone else as of now is solid enough to where I can safely leave my vote on him. If he is town he is basically throwing by not being part of the game, and as an AFK wolf basically the same but on the scum side. His opinion of voting the highest voted person is honestly really bad, and it's safer to get him out now rather than have him continue tomorrow.

I agree about the part about lynching the top voter being wolfy, You wanting to keep your vote on him for being inactive is also wolfy tho. AFK players get replaced, You think he's wolf solely for the fact that he wants to lynch the top posters? Or is there more?

[PQRnHack]

Simply because he's the only other person that seems to have reevaluated his read on me? I see you're still lynching evils without proper evaluations.

I may be tunneling here (can't blame me considering he is pushing to lynch me now). I don't even have an active vote, so who is "lynching" evils? Do you mean that you are an evil?
But this defense/reply is weak to me given all your long posts and "reads" on things as silly as Yues randoming zzOrange in his very first post (clearly a meaningless vote, no need to write a paragraph on "holding a grudge" - I view that as trying too hard to write a whole lotta nothing about... nothing). Anyway, I am currently reviewing your posts, have many more to check of other players with higher post count.

[CRichardForumLies]

dah fuck, that varcron flip flop is real
wrath+varcron never SVS.
Bad look on wrath actually

I believe and I don't think Scum would want to hard push each other D1 seeing as they didn't have a chance to coordinate in their private chat.
At most there is one scum in wrath/varcron imo.

[blinkskater]

@Oberon fuck click the quote to bring you to cekos actual post where you can see the quotes he took from wrath

[Oberon]

@Oberon fuck click the quote to bring you to cekos actual post where you can see the quotes he took from wrath

yeah i did, saw nothing special there

[CRichardForumLies]

@Oberon look at cekos ISO here and read Wraths Varcron reads.

It doesn't align with the last few pages of things he has been saying.

Also there's a huge differential on town/scum varcron

If I'm understanding this post correctly, this doesn't look a post blink would make about Wrath if they were scum/scum.
I'd clear blink as town if Wrath flips scum.

[blinkskater]

I believe and I don't think Scum would want to hard push each other D1 seeing as they didn't have a chance to coordinate in their private chat.
At most there is one scum in wrath/varcron imo.

I agree, to me wrath looks more wolfy here, and he could fit as a partner to Lag, seeing as how wrath didn't have anything to say about our interactions and placed us both in the yellow section of his reads list

[Varcron]

I agree about the part about lynching the top voter being wolfy, You wanting to keep your vote on him for being inactive is also wolfy tho. AFK players get replaced, You think he's wolf solely for the fact that he wants to lynch the top posters? Or is there more?

Wtf are all these people talking about scum reading and shit. Its mafia you just vote who you want to lynch really simple stuff. Probably just gonna vote whoever has the highest post count in the thread first, get the tryhards out of the way and it should be an easy W.

This post is what did it for me @blinkskater

[blinkskater]

yeah i did, saw nothing special there

You choose to ignore wrath's sudden change from Varcron being scum, to varcron all of a sudden being town?

Then wraths refusal to acknowledge the fact that he did it in the first place?

[OzyWho]

When you start calling them dumb and stupid yeah I do believe its NAI.

For example, remember the game where I was scum in a hybrid with Efe?
I totally Scum-OMGUS'ed on MM hard that game; because it makes creating content as scum easy when `being tunneled`.
Lag was on that tunnel for like 30 posts (random guess), which does feel a lot and reminds of my purposeful tunnel on MM.

After which he pulled an AtE to `leave the game for the day`.
Remember krc Day1? I pulled a AtE day1 just for the sole purpose of not having to be present at EoD.

I do see a world where LagAttack could be scum here.
I just think that for their first game - there's little chance of that. (especially since they always prefer town in the mod, hence have little scum experience)

[Oberon]

you’re gonna have to explain it to me homie because i didnt see anything scummy, and if anything wrath just looks like a newbie with a brain

[blinkskater]

This post is what did it for me @blinkskater

yeah that's wolfy, If that's the case tho and he is wolf most likely the highest posters would probably not be aligned with him

[blinkskater]

you’re gonna have to explain it to me homie because i didnt see anything scummy, and if anything wrath just looks like a newbie with a brain

Ok here's how I saw it.

Okay if wrath flips red, you're probably red too

[Oberon]

yeah that's wolfy, If that's the case tho and he is wolf most likely the highest posters would probably not be aligned with him

He said that last game and he was town, as far as I’m concerned that’s towny

[OzyWho]

I know they're ugly.

My vote is staying on ZZOrange until he speaks or otherwise, I feel as though my opinion of everyone else as of now is solid enough to where I can safely leave my vote on him. If he is town he is basically throwing by not being part of the game, and as an AFK wolf basically the same but on the scum side. His opinion of voting the highest voted person is honestly really bad, and it's safer to get him out now rather than have him continue tomorrow.

@Varcron
Just ftr, I find most of your game towny (for you), but for some reason this post feels like coming from a scum perspective:

Fair point, but this could be looked at as a pocket of me.

Because it looks like coming from a "ok, how would I see this post from a Town Perspective?".

I just want to give you a heads up that even though I read most of your content as bordering more towards towny than NAI, that 1 post has me scum leaning you.

[PQRnHack]

Simply because he's the only other person that seems to have reevaluated his read on me? I see you're still lynching evils without proper evaluations.

Between Wrath listing Varcron as "Townish" and then voting up Varcron 8 mins later is Varcron stating, the only post I can find that can be viewed as Varcron's "reevaluation" of Wrath (i.e. to scummish) would be this by Varcron:
"What are your reads and opinions? You haven't spoken much other than comment on mostly useless posts."

But this comment by Varcron to Wrath was merely in response to Wrath stating "clearly" in response to Varcron's "this is an overcomplication" to Ozy/Oberon interaction. So I wouldn't get as defensive as to call it a "reevaluation" just because Var talked some shit.

I hate finding another Wrath/Oberon connection, as it was other folks who established it earlier and I feel like I'm getting led on here. It seems too obvious.

I might be looking into it too much now that I am pressured to actually go do some analysis as we enter 2nd half of the day and folks don't like it that I watch first and analyze 2nd

[blinkskater]

He said that last game and he was town, as far as I’m concerned that’s towny

So you think lynching the top posts is towny?

Or only because ZZ orange said it it's towny?

[Oberon]

Ok here's how I saw it.

Okay if wrath flips red, you're probably red too

Nah I’m pretty confident hes not gonna flip Mafia here

[OzyWho]

zzorange’s entrance was really town, he should not get voted today
also, idk why Wrath flipflopping is bad, that’s town indicative? for a new player he’s doing really well, and his thoughts are easy to follow
there are many other people we should lynch before wrath, like lag, yuesford, or pornhack

I honestly dont remember anything about yuesford..

I agree about ZZ though.
I also expect ZZ to be Helz tommorow.

[Oberon]

So you think lynching the top posts is towny?

Or only because ZZ orange said it it's towny?

Zzorange is an arcade mafia player, what he said is something I’d expect town arcade players to say. :shrug:

[Frinckles]

So you think lynching the top posts is towny?

Or only because ZZ orange said it it's towny?

His point is, as far as meta goes it's NAI.

[Oberon]

I honestly dont remember anything about yuesford..

I agree about ZZ though.
I also expect ZZ to be Helz tommorow.

He just kinda sheeps trains which is why I want him out

[CRichardForumLies]

Skimming through Blink/Lag interactions.
Blink could be town seeing as Lag is one of the consensus village reads, and Blink saying they might be partnered with Wrath doesn't make sense if Blink is scum this game.
I said before that villagers tend to buck consensus more often than scum does and Blink being a villager going against consensus seems to be the most likely scenario as of now.

[OzyWho]

I may be tunneling here (can't blame me considering he is pushing to lynch me now). I don't even have an active vote, so who is "lynching" evils? Do you mean that you are an evil?
But this defense/reply is weak to me given all your long posts and "reads" on things as silly as Yues randoming zzOrange in his very first post (clearly a meaningless vote, no need to write a paragraph on "holding a grudge" - I view that as trying too hard to write a whole lotta nothing about... nothing). Anyway, I am currently reviewing your posts, have many more to check of other players with higher post count.

I'm telling you guys this is a S/S Bus

[Oberon]

I think everyone is reading too much into the lynching evils post, pretty sure he just meant lynching scumreads

[Oberon]

I’m like 95% sure its not WrathCyber simply because his thoughts echo mine and actually make sense for the most part

[OzyWho]

I believe and I don't think Scum would want to hard push each other D1 seeing as they didn't have a chance to coordinate in their private chat.
At most there is one scum in wrath/varcron imo.

I mean, wrath (mistakenly) thought his given reads on Varcron were Townread.
I don't agree with this. (though I don't remember the Varcron side of it)

[PQRnHack]

@Oberon look at cekos ISO here and read Wraths Varcron reads.

It doesn't align with the last few pages of things he has been saying.

Also there's a huge differential on town/scum varcron

I will say that I'm a bite worried about ceko's post #883 that looks like pocketing me (did i get the term right?)

I can see where Wrath could be a paranoid newbie in the Village under pressure.

I have more posts to go through (doing full-scale review of all posters), not sure how many I can get through between work meetings, but I will be here late given 9:30 PM meeting with overseas. So got time. It just so happens that conveniently I am currently on Wrath in my list, and I have some existing pre-attachment to that player given that's about the only place I contributed (by essentially going off Ozy's lead).

[theoneceko]

I will say that I'm a bite worried about ceko's post #883 that looks like pocketing me (did i get the term right?)

I can see where Wrath could be a paranoid newbie in the Village under pressure.

I have more posts to go through (doing full-scale review of all posters), not sure how many I can get through between work meetings, but I will be here late given 9:30 PM meeting with overseas. So got time. It just so happens that conveniently I am currently on Wrath in my list, and I have some existing pre-attachment to that player given that's about the only place I contributed (by essentially going off Ozy's lead).

yes you did

pls vote wrath uwu

[OzyWho]

I agree, to me wrath looks more wolfy here, and he could fit as a partner to Lag, seeing as how wrath didn't have anything to say about our interactions and placed us both in the yellow section of his reads list

He didn't have anything to say about anything - just a list of names in some order.
Which, in his own words, was to `show us that he's putting some thought into game solving`.

[PQRnHack]

I'm telling you guys this is a S/S Bus

I may become that good when I actually get dealt a Scum card in an FM game. But if Wrath is S and you are claiming we are bussing each other, and I know I am Townie, then now I will be sure to spend extra time reviewing your posts when I get to the #2 highest poster along my list (I am going in order of post count).

[OzyWho]

Guys, i just got leveled up - what should I pick?

[PQRnHack]

Nah I’m pretty confident hes not gonna flip Mafia here

Possible reasons for confidence:
You know he is not in your Shadow faction
You know that he is, and you are "trying something new" where you are blatantly pairing up
I'm a SHITTY Player

At least 1 of the above is true

[PQRnHack]

Guys, i just got leveled up - what should I pick?

In WoW?

[Oberon]

Wrath WILL flip town.
I refuse to vote him under any circumstances and this IS a mistake.

[Oberon]

Guys, i just got leveled up - what should I pick?

Idk I hear the Archer constellation is good

[OzyWho]

Between Wrath listing Varcron as "Townish" and then voting up Varcron 8 mins later is Varcron stating, the only post I can find that can be viewed as Varcron's "reevaluation" of Wrath (i.e. to scummish) would be this by Varcron:
"What are your reads and opinions? You haven't spoken much other than comment on mostly useless posts."

But this comment by Varcron to Wrath was merely in response to Wrath stating "clearly" in response to Varcron's "this is an overcomplication" to Ozy/Oberon interaction. So I wouldn't get as defensive as to call it a "reevaluation" just because Var talked some shit.

I hate finding another Wrath/Oberon connection, as it was other folks who established it earlier and I feel like I'm getting led on here. It seems too obvious.

I might be looking into it too much now that I am pressured to actually go do some analysis as we enter 2nd half of the day and folks don't like it that I watch first and analyze 2nd

I hate to townread this post but I townread this post..
I wil have to re-evaluate my opinions on you; just not today. :/

[PQRnHack]

Knight is good

[PQRnHack]

I hate to townread this post but I townread this post..
I wil have to re-evaluate my opinions on you; just not today. :/

Yeah it would suck to level up a Shadow. But good thing I'm not Magus, I'm just a vanilla bean.

[OzyWho]

I have literally only 1 note:
`#357 Yuesford with the lazy "I think the guy not posting content is scum".`

[PQRnHack]

Wine is on me, girls and boys, this is when I come alive. But I do still have some work meetings to drink do.

[Oberon]

Paopan Paopan
Paopan

[PQRnHack]

While I hold my wine, I need someone to discuss an important topic:
PQRnHack: She or a Sheep? or does ceko call everyone a "she" in his dreams?