S-FM 355: Nonstandard Roles 3

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

So the lineup has to be

Bounty hunter
Ghost
Evil teacher (most likely)/ werewolf (less likely)

Wolves:
Evil Flower child
-?
-?

Most likely not blackmailer i wasn't silenced
Most likely not forger since i didn't receive extra results

[MartinGG99]

So the lineup has to be

Bounty hunter
Ghost
Evil teacher (most likely)/ werewolf (less likely)

Wolves:
Evil Flower child
-?
-?

Most likely not blackmailer i wasn't silenced
Most likely not forger since i didn't receive extra results

cat doesn't exist either

someone would've mentioned if it did I think

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

Uh werewolf is not compulsive

So night is not as straight forward as i thought it was

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

cat doesn't exist either

someone would've mentioned if it did I think

So odds that wolves have vengeful are high

[Mizery]

What

oh also i understand this now first read it sounded like he was saying varcron was evil teacher but i get it now

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

That's scawwy 5 me uwu

-Huohuo

[MartinGG99]

leaves like

parrot
janitor (we probably figure this out for sure next night, with evil teacher out it may be a good time for mafia to use it as well as the fact then we'll be mafia partner hunting)
vengeful
pacifist
shadow

another flowerchild (I don't think its likely, but possible)


not very useful but its good to have a refresher to know what we're dealing with

[MartinGG99]

So odds that wolves have vengeful are high

that sounds kinda reasonable tbh

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

I just hope cape is the evil flower child xd

[MartinGG99]

janitor (we probably figure this out for sure next night, with evil teacher out it may be a good time for mafia to use it as well as the fact then we'll be mafia partner hunting)

should note that I am assuming cape mafia based on the flower child save

there is a 5% chance that mafia just does it on a neutral to fuck with us and limit our incentive to have discussions and solve and ect for 48 hours

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

should note that I am assuming cape mafia based on the flower child save

there is a 5% chance that mafia just does it on a neutral to fuck with us and limit our incentive to have discussions and solve and ect for 48 hours

If that's the case cape knows he is doomed and claims 3p

But he is lolcatting so i'm assuming wolf

[MartinGG99]

should note that I am assuming cape mafia based on the flower child save

there is a 5% chance that mafia just does it on a neutral to fuck with us and limit our incentive to have discussions and solve and ect for 48 hours

actually nah since cape is claimed flower child on d2

and that ALL neutrals are revealed

there isn't even a chance of cape being wild card or any other neutral really

so that's more like negative 1% chance since cape would have to be trolling neutral

[Mizery]

I just hope cape is the evil flower child xd

is this sarcasm

[Lilypetal]

-vote cape90

[Lilypetal]

boring

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

is this sarcasm

Why do you ask

[scumbot5679]

boring

so what do you plan to do for the next 48 hours?

[Mizery]

what's the third neutral that's revealed martin

[Mizery]

Why do you ask

because i can't tell

[Mizery]

I'm not following any of the mech talk

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

because i can't tell

Yeah but what made you think it could be sarcasm

[scumbot5679]

we are saying its

BH
ghost
evil teacher

[powerofdeath]

I did it again I apologize. Forgot to reset the vote count, you'll have to revote.

[MartinGG99]

what's the third neutral that's revealed martin

the bounty hunter posted notification on d1

Varcron's ghost death

and the fact that two people died on n2, which with the roles they died with it is not possible to get those two kills unless one or both of them was killed by a neutral killer

mafia can max out 1 kill, and towns can pull out a kill sometimes but very condition and depends on the role (ex: Bride's lover-esque mechanic)

therefore neutral killer is one of corruptor/werewolf/evil teacher, and its just process of (plausible) elimination to arrive at Evil Teacher being most likely

[MartinGG99]

SoD2* not SoD1

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

Actually

I'll throw mafia a bone

If you guys didn't kill any of the flipped

And you didn't shot me

Whoever you shot is probably evil teacher, you can tell us via cape if you figure it out

Of course if we have protective and they gambled protecting someone else besides me only they know the truth

[MartinGG99]

What concerns me though is that with Evil Teacher in the game its theoretically possible to see three (or more! -- just imagine if I had agreed to Helz's proposal on day 1) deaths in a single night. So i'm gonna guess that we probably have two town protectives. A fair number of the town roles have conditions to die (if they're in the game) and I don't think BH's incidental bounties are enough to support a single town protective from effectively limiting Evil Teacher + Mafia's NKs.

Outside of that though idk.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

Actually

I'll throw mafia a bone

If you guys didn't kill any of the flipped

And you didn't shot me

Whoever you shot is probably evil teacher, you can tell us via cape if you figure it out

Of course if we have protective and they gambled protecting someone else besides me only they know the truth

And with helz alive we are basicly 2 cops, one being a cop+vig

Do the math :3

Time to bargain mafiosos

[MartinGG99]

-vote cape90

will be back later-ish


Huo Huo is looking good and I don't have any doubts about him or his seemingly coincidental n2 action

[Mizery]

Yeah but what made you think it could be sarcasm

ok so it wasn't

[Mizery]

a bad post where you're questioning cape's alignement then

[Mizery]

the bounty hunter posted notification on d1

Varcron's ghost death

and the fact that two people died on n2, which with the roles they died with it is not possible to get those two kills unless one or both of them was killed by a neutral killer

mafia can max out 1 kill, and towns can pull out a kill sometimes but very condition and depends on the role (ex: Bride's lover-esque mechanic)

therefore neutral killer is one of corruptor/werewolf/evil teacher, and its just process of (plausible) elimination to arrive at Evil Teacher being most likely

i forgot bounty hunter existed for a moment

[Mizery]

Actually

I'll throw mafia a bone

If you guys didn't kill any of the flipped

And you didn't shot me

Whoever you shot is probably evil teacher, you can tell us via cape if you figure it out

Of course if we have protective and they gambled protecting someone else besides me only they know the truth

what

[Mizery]

these don't sound like things people say when they're town

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

a bad post where you're questioning cape's alignement then

Im not questioning cape90 alignment i'm questioning his role

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

these don't sound like things people say when they're town

Go play checkers in mafia.gg mate, i'm playing 3d chess

-Mr Tail

[Marshmallow Marshall]

That's actually a pretty good night, tbh. Ghost is dead from the hands of non-town (there doesn't seem to be any town role who could've done this in the setup), so we got an ally looking at us from above ^^. As for the Auwt-Varcron kill, it seems pretty much inevitable that there's an Evil Teacher, considering there was clearly no Corruptor involved + a Werewolf kill is super unlikely (there was no way to guess their role with enough confidence to gamble there). If I'm wrong and there's another option, please do bring it up, but I think I've covered everything.

Which leads to the question: what happened to the mafia kill? I see three possibilities: it landed on the Evil Teacher (mafia-immune), it was protected, or it was aimed at either Auwt or Varcron. A protection is bound to have occured on at least one night: mafia wouldn't hit the Evil Teacher twice, since that would be absurd.

If the kill actually targeted Auwt or Varcron, then it's highly unsettling, because they were both not super widely townread and not super influent either, which would mean scum are happy with where the game is going, generally speaking. In such a case, Mizery would probably be worth reevaluating, considering she's the most likely lynch after Cape.

/mech blah blah, correct if wrong, enough of this


Cape is clearly evil flower child (or protected by evil flower child on his team, could be a fake claim, but it doesn't matter much). There's no reason not to lynch him today, afaik, unless we somehow prefer to hunt for the bounty hunter in order to save Helz? Aaaactually, we could rely on the evil teacher to kill Cape for us, but that implies losing a townie... yeah no forget it, we're lynching Cape
/thinking out loud

-vote Cape90

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I don't think Evil Teacher ever has a reason to target Helz here, btw. They want to maximize casualties, not to exclusively kill scum or other neutrals.

[Lilypetal]

-vote cape90

[Marshmallow Marshall]

-vote cape90

boring

much like your ISO

im not too worried about that right now at least, i caught a wolf early and im p content to just let this day end and then see flips

overconfident post from yesterday, also "I caught a wolf" is an extremely bold claim, considering your magnificent contribution was this:

I continue to hate Cape's posts. Cape, you around?

this post is hella awkward

Enough to say you said something, but too little to commit. Also, it's highly point-out-y. The only other post was this:

How do I vote on here

I'm going to vote cape for this post lol

Let's break this down


Wolfy self awareness on the "make up some thoughts"

Mentions a claim that imo doesn't matter at all. I read it and went yeah ok w/e. Idk why that's even necessary here

Says miz is town despite miz just throwing out a bunch of nonsensical posts. Not to mention that the LAMIST "omg no one is here when i am" is more often a wolf thing to post

Other read is probs not that AI, but it is kind of a nothing read because it's just a "strange" read

So yeah Cape looks pretty bad here.

Which looks forced and stretchy, as I previously mentioned.

That said, by looking at it again, I must say this indicates non-alignment with Mizery, so one of you is probably town here (unless there's a neutral among you).


At this point, I'd expect an explained list of reads from you. It's D3, and you basically haven't gathered any town points, which at the very least charges you with the heinous crime of not being towny. @Lilypetal

[Mizery]

much like your ISO



overconfident post from yesterday, also "I caught a wolf" is an extremely bold claim, considering your magnificent contribution was this:





Enough to say you said something, but too little to commit. Also, it's highly point-out-y. The only other post was this:



Which looks forced and stretchy, as I previously mentioned.

That said, by looking at it again, I must say this indicates non-alignment with Mizery, so one of you is probably town here (unless there's a neutral among you).


At this point, I'd expect an explained list of reads from you. It's D3, and you basically haven't gathered any town points, which at the very least charges you with the heinous crime of not being towny. @Lilypetal

you're saying she's wolfy because her scumread on cape was too stretchy?

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

-vote Cape90

[MartinGG99]

I don't think Evil Teacher ever has a reason to target Helz here, btw. They want to maximize casualties, not to exclusively kill scum or other neutrals.

thats a good point that didn't occur to me, but I also think you haven't thought it through fully

if they wanted maximum casualties, with 100% certainty, they would've targeted Cape + someone they thought town other than Helz

the fact that Cape is still alive means that Evil Teacher is probably looking to kill exclusively town at the moment, or finds the cape situation to be somehow beneficial to them

[MartinGG99]

thats a good point that didn't occur to me, but I also think you haven't thought it through fully

if they wanted maximum casualties, with 100% certainty, they would've targeted Cape + someone they thought town other than Helz

the fact that Cape is still alive means that Evil Teacher is probably looking to kill exclusively town at the moment, or finds the cape situation to be somehow beneficial to them

I say "probably" bc there's a small chance they were looking for mafia outside of Cape

or if there was a third kill somewhere that got protected against that we don't know about

[MartinGG99]

*lily posts*

MM:





I actually don't know how accurate it is, but its a little funny how MM is already poking Lily again, and on posts they've recently made. This isn't to downplay MM's behavior to Lily or MM's arguments against lily though.

[Dark Magician]

This also means that scum probably tried to kill me

Lolwolves

What result did you get for me?

Also I’m going to fucking cry if I was attacked twice.

[Dark Magician]

If mafia went to kill me both night one and two I’m literally going to die of laughter.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

What result did you get for me?

Also I’m going to fucking cry if I was attacked twice.

I targeted Helz and varcron Mr Magician

-Huohuo

[scumbot5679]

killing cape is bad from the pov of an evil teacher b/c he's a not them lynch and thats good for them b/c everyday we lynch someone there's the possibility that we do them so they would want to keep as much mislynchbait around as they can.

[Dark Magician]

Btw rest assured wolves

I targeted varcron and helz last night

I was excited until i wasn't

Btw @Varcron don't you dare fuck with my investigations if you want to win

Why didn’t you stick with the plan!!!