S-FM 200: Mafia Wars II

[Sino]

I said it is based on player preference. If there is no reason, that is a reason, because no scum would do it, scum does it. People plan shit like this all of the time.

If scum wouldn't pick it why did scum kovath pick it? If you think he is faking his role altogether HE WOULD HAVE JUST LYNCHED UNKNOWN. He would not have claimed there, as I said it pigeon holes him into a shitty spot, one he would not do.

And please note i can apply exactly the same logic here : he pigeon himself into that spot because that's not something scum does, just to gain towncred.

Proof is : had he not done that, you'd agree to lynch him

[SexyDucK]

Calix answered that question for you :

and I responded, not sure if you commented or saw this

He was worried about being checked as DRUG DEALER (not luciano), so he reaction is to claim DRUG DEALER? How is that productive. If it was a red/green check, if he is afraid of a red check he doesnt say IM RED. He does not get town cred, because he knows unknown is town if he is luciano, and that he is fucked day2.

Why would he vote him, unknown was not the focus that entire day. If kovath voted unknown it would be more scummy because it looks like he is making an uninformed decision to save himself (Did kovath focus on unknown a lot, I dont recall) . Instead he needed to sit back and think, that is town indicative.

Pretty sure he would have voted end of day, I will need to reread that part to see. He is a last second voter if you remember how annoyed I was with the both of you at the end of day on SP.

[SexyDucK]

@Kovath why aren't you posting

[Sino]

Consider this Duck, and look at the big picture, all the facts we have :

BCD is confirmed as a DD

Unknwon was a DD

Kovath claimed DD but claimed to have been roleblocked

And we do agree on the fact that 3 town DD are impossible.

[SexyDucK]

Consider this Duck, and look at the big picture, all the facts we have :

BCD is confirmed as a DD

Unknwon was a DD

Kovath claimed DD but claimed to have been roleblocked

And we do agree on the fact that 3 town DD are impossible.

I am not saying this is false, I AM SAYING WE WONT KNOW BY LYNCHING HIM. WE HAVE TO LYNCH SHIFTY FIRST TO EVER KNOW.

[Sino]

and I responded, not sure if you commented or saw this

He was worried about being checked as DRUG DEALER (not luciano), so he reaction is to claim DRUG DEALER? How is that productive. If it was a red/green check, if he is afraid of a red check he doesnt say IM RED. He does not get town cred, because he knows unknown is town if he is luciano, and that he is fucked day2.

Why would he vote him, unknown was not the focus that entire day. If kovath voted unknown it would be more scummy because it looks like he is making an uninformed decision to save himself (Did kovath focus on unknown a lot, I dont recall) . Instead he needed to sit back and think, that is town indicative.

Pretty sure he would have voted end of day, I will need to reread that part to see. He is a last second voter if you remember how annoyed I was with the both of you at the end of day on SP.

I'm just saying, that counterclaim without a vote could just be to gain town cred, nothing else, and that's going by your own logic

[SexyDucK]

If we lynch kovath today we HAVE to lynch shifty or BCD tomorrow, regardless of what flips?

If we lynch shifty today - nobody gets tailored tonight, and we know who to lynch tomorrow.

MY way results in 1 less potential tailor, and being 100% sure on the correct dd lynch. We are lynching shifty regardless, we do it now

[SexyDucK]

I'm just saying, that counterclaim without a vote could just be to gain town cred, nothing else, and that's going by your own logic

HE THINKS ON HIS VOTE HE EVEN SAID IT. LOok at world of fucking musci, both of you waited until1 second in the day, he decided to abstain, youhammered.

its kovath, not duck mchammergee

[Sino]

I am not saying this is false, I AM SAYING WE WONT KNOW BY LYNCHING HIM. WE HAVE TO LYNCH SHIFTY FIRST TO EVER KNOW.

And i'm saying we will know, cause there's no way in hell he chose to become a DD if he is scum, so him flipping DD REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT will tell us in what world we actually are

[SexyDucK]

Sino put it this way, you can lynch kovath today, but my vote will be on you for the rest of the game until I am night killed. I will never change my vote from Sino if Shifty survives today.

[SexyDucK]

And i'm saying we will know, cause there's no way in hell he chose to become a DD if he is scum, so him flipping DD REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT will tell us in what world we actually are

DD IS A REASONABLE PICK YOU STUPID FUCK

[Sino]

And i'm saying we will know, cause there's no way in hell he chose to become a DD if he is scum, so him flipping DD REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT will tell us in what world we actually are

I meant : Him flipping DD, regardless of alignment will confirm BCD and Shifty as scum

[SexyDucK]

I meant : Him flipping DD, regardless of alignment will confirm BCD and Shifty as scum

false he could have picked dd, and when he flips lynching both of them would be two mislynches if he is luciano

[SexyDucK]

I meant : Him flipping DD, regardless of alignment will confirm BCD and Shifty as scum

false he could have picked dd, and when he flips lynching both of them would be two mislynches if he is luciano

[Voss]

DD IS A REASONABLE PICK YOU STUPID FUCK

no its not. unless you're talking about the play that BCD did.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I meant : Him flipping DD, regardless of alignment will confirm BCD and Shifty as scum

If I'm confirmed DD and scum wouldn't pick DD, how am I confirmed scum if Kovath flips DD?

[SexyDucK]

no its not. unless you're talking about the play that BCD did.

We are expecting mafia to pick high caliber roles. Picking a shitty role as a top tier player is somewhat of a deterrent for the FBI moleing them and then failing thus knowing they are luciano. There are also other plausible plays from it.

Is it a top tier everyone must pick, not even close, but it has its niche.

[Sino]

If I'm confirmed DD and scum wouldn't pick DD, how am I confirmed scum if Kovath flips DD?

Sorry Calix, i'll have to leave for now, i still have a bit of work to do, i posted about that earlier.

I'm done for today, see you tomorrow.

[Voss]

Sorry Calix, i'll have to leave for now, i still have a bit of work to do, i posted about that earlier.

I'm done for today, see you tomorrow.

you should put down a vote if you're leaving?

[Fatalis]

i think the best course of action would be to NOT lynch either of the DD

this might be a very weird setup with multiple DD and multiple investigatives to create a big mindfuck

I believe its 2 v 2 v 7 if fbi recruit was successful

we need shifty to claim asap

[Fatalis]

-unvote

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

It's a 1v1. It is obvious that nobody should be lynching outside of the DD claims today.

There is no two ways about it.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

3 Town Drug Dealers makes NO sense whatsoever. There is NO reason to assume that we have 3 town-aligned Drug Dealers when all that does is fuck up the balance between how badly it nerfs Cult and how much time the town has to spend on sifting through 3 claims...in a setup with THREE MISLYNCHES.

[Fatalis]

3 Town Drug Dealers makes NO sense whatsoever. There is NO reason to assume that we have 3 town-aligned Drug Dealers when all that does is fuck up the balance between how badly it nerfs Cult and how much time the town has to spend on sifting through 3 claims...in a setup with THREE MISLYNCHES.

what do you think about a massclaim

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

what do you think about a massclaim

No.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Have you read my case on Kovath...?

[Rurouni Kenshin]

i think the best course of action would be to NOT lynch either of the DD

this might be a very weird setup with multiple DD and multiple investigatives to create a big mindfuck

I believe its 2 v 2 v 7 if fbi recruit was successful

we need shifty to claim asap

I strongly disagree with everything except @Shifty claiming.

[SexyDucK]

I want everyone to keep in mind that BCD is the one who made the big thread

"PLZLEAVEJACKK"

Where she did nothing but lash out at lurker play.

She has constantly allowed/defended POD, and now Shifty's play this game who have done nothing but lurk.

"but thats not true, I just push my scum reads, all we can do is just not let them join"

She has been stating "laziness is not a scum tell", thus encouraging the lurking
When Kovath is lazy in his posts, he is instantly "I expect more from you, you are being lazy you are mafia".
I am growing on voss now, but when he had little content "dont pressure him he isnt the lynch today."

She is constantly pushing town in a direction that does not give us more information, a lynch on kovath over shifty is furthering this agenda. Most of her posts are basic questions, a lot of the time questions she already has answers to and do not require the other player to give a specific answer as a test.

Shifty- unvoted at L-1 and now magically defends him, not even going to count this anymore.
Kovath - logic against him was the same logic she used to defend lurking towns.
RK- strong beguiler claim, town
Unknown - town


Lynching kovath, even if we knew it would be a hit is a travesty today.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

what do you think about a massclaim

OK, you go first. Claim, but ONLY if you seduced Kovath. The only two claims we need right now are Shifty and Town consort.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Nobody should be role-claiming now. You're just exposing the last TPRs to the night kill for NO reason.

[SexyDucK]

OK, you go first. Claim, but ONLY if you seduced Kovath. The only two claims we need right now are Shifty and Town consort.

THis is going to be even more stretched than my previous claims, but what if shifty was a town tailor, and the team was Luciano consort/DD.

Is that even a possible world?

I dont think I am living in this world ever, but I would hope so over a tailor.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

How is this not obvious?

Kenshin LITERALLY JUST ASKED THE CONSORT TO REVEAL.

OH GEE I WONDER WHY.

IT'S NOT LIKE LUCIANOS WANT CONSORT DEAD OR ANYTHING.

[SexyDucK]

Nobody should be role-claiming now. You're just exposing the last TPRs to the night kill for NO reason.

If a non claimed claims and dies, we have a cop claim/beguiler/2 confirmed roles alive.... that would be pretty much the entire town. Whatever claims are not revealed SHOULD be outted, even a doctor who will die tonight.

[Fatalis]

Have you read my case on Kovath...?

yes but i only have one reason for town reading kovath and its a damn good one

HE CC'D UNKNOWN WHEN UNKNOWN WAS L-2

why would a luciano DD CC someone that he must know would flip town DD, you argue he has the 2 role of the same alignment argument but we all know how well that's gonna work out (spoiler : badly)

[SexyDucK]

How is this not obvious?

Kenshin LITERALLY JUST ASKED THE CONSORT TO REVEAL.

OH GEE I WONDER WHY.

IT'S NOT LIKE LUCIANOS WANT CONSORT DEAD OR ANYTHING.

I asked for the consort to reveal, you can say were both bad, but it doesnt make him scum. It would prove kovath's rb claim.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

yes but i only have one reason for town reading kovath and its a damn good one

HE CC'D UNKNOWN WHEN UNKNOWN WAS L-2

why would a luciano DD CC someone that he must know would flip town DD, you argue he has the 2 role of the same alignment argument but we all know how well that's gonna work out (spoiler : badly)

Gunna have to throw this right back at you. Why would Kovath CC Unknown when he was L-2 as Town.

Conclusion: Kovaths play was beyond shitty and they need to eat rope so we can get some much needed clarity that has offered us a goose egg this whole day.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

yes but i only have one reason for town reading kovath and its a damn good one

HE CC'D UNKNOWN WHEN UNKNOWN WAS L-2

why would a luciano DD CC someone that he must know would flip town DD, you argue he has the 2 role of the same alignment argument but we all know how well that's gonna work out (spoiler : badly)

I've already explained why Luciano would counter-claim in order to secure their position as town early and get a mislynch off for sure, meanwhile having the ability to wriggle out of a 1v1 by saying "oh there could be duplicate roles"

That counter-claim does NOT negate everything else he's done. He's not even posting in the thread despite being active elsewhere, has tried pushing the lynch onto Shifty, clearly had a plan to use Logically Insane's death to his advantage, barely responded to my post...it's insane how I am the only one seeing this.

I asked for the consort to reveal, you can say were both bad, but it doesnt make him scum. It would prove kovath's rb claim.

Who gives a shit about confirming that...?

[SexyDucK]

Gunna have to throw this right back at you. Why would Kovath CC Unknown when he was L-2 as Town.

Conclusion: Kovaths play was beyond shitty and they need to eat rope so we can get some much needed clarity that has offered us a goose egg this whole day.

we get no clarity because shifty is a tailor. why do you no comprende. Kovath flips orange drug dealer every time as both real town and real luciano

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Someone just shoot me. The stupidity in this game is too high for me to cope with.

[SexyDucK]

I've already explained why Luciano would counter-claim in order to secure their position as town early and get a mislynch off for sure, meanwhile having the ability to wriggle out of a 1v1 by saying "oh there could be duplicate roles"

That counter-claim does NOT negate everything else he's done. He's not even posting in the thread despite being active elsewhere, has tried pushing the lynch onto Shifty, clearly had a plan to use Logically Insane's death to his advantage, barely responded to my post...it's insane how I am the only one seeing this.



Who gives a shit about confirming that...?

I will say it is odd how kovath isn't responding regardless of how alignment.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

[Voss]

I asked for the consort to reveal, you can say were both bad, but it doesnt make him scum. It would prove kovath's rb claim.

it does make him scum because it's scum motivated. you're just....? i don't want to resort to name calling

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I will say it is odd how kovath isn't responding regardless of how alignment.

Yes Duck.

It's because he cannot dig himself out of the hole he's in.

That's why he's not posting.

He is actively lurking in the thread, not participating in the discussion that revolves around him.

[SexyDucK]

Someone just shoot me. The stupidity in this game is too high for me to cope with.

You realize we have to lynch you and kovath right?

If we lynch shifty, it will be shifty, then fake DD.

If you are town you should favor not getting lynched.

Rk is not luciano either. If he is I guess I really do suck.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I sense that even Voss is getting sick of this.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I will say it is odd how kovath isn't responding regardless of how alignment.

Why would he? He was so far in a hole but there are people here literally defending the shit out of him instead of letting him defend himself. Why interject when you have people threatening to gamethrow if shifty isn't lynched instead?

[SexyDucK]

Yes Duck.

It's because he cannot dig himself out of the hole he's in.

That's why he's not posting.

He is actively lurking in the thread, not participating in the discussion that revolves around him.

I was red checked and had all confirmed towns against me in world of music. I couldn't dig my way out regardless, yet I kept at it for hours. Why wouldn't he when he has a confirmed town going full retard for him if hes mafia?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

You realize we have to lynch you and kovath right?

If we lynch shifty, it will be shifty, then fake DD.

If you are town you should favor not getting lynched.

Rk is not luciano either. If he is I guess I really do suck.

When I said "shoot me"

I meant

"I want to commit suicide"

Just to clarify.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I was red checked and had all confirmed towns against me in world of music. I couldn't dig my way out regardless, yet I kept at it for hours. Why wouldn't he when he has a confirmed town going full retard for him if hes mafia?

Kovath isn't you, dude.

He has given up and is no longer posting so as to not incriminate who his team mates are.

He knows that he is outed at this point.

There is NO town motivation to lurk in the thread and say NOTHING.

[Voss]

I sense that even Voss is getting sick of this.

i have a paper to write, and jobs to apply for, and want to finish the web-app version of the mafia I'm working on. I can't keep staying on here, as much as I don't want to lurk, let ya'll down.