S-FM 200: Mafia Wars II

[Logically Insane]

I claimed because all 3 of my mafia reads are voting me and I cant be punished at night for it.

Yeah they can narrow down our confirmed roles by 1 slot, but if it means moving town in a better direction, I think it is more important to get a HIT day 1 then it is to have a higher chance of our confirmed roles not die at night.

-DucK

You know what you do when your mafia reads vote you. You explain and convince people why they are mafia.
So that reason fails. Try Again.
Actually claiming beguiler is even worse. You could've got a scum to shoot you adn redirect it at a scum.
Now you can't. (if anyone actually believes this guy)
It was bad enough you claimed tpr but seriously m8.
Are we going to see a d1 concede?

[Sino]

Sino, can you start actually adding content yourself instead of just lazily directing people to your bland questions? It's starting to piss me off honestly and it's not helping us move discussion forward. We're supposed to be scum hunting here, not having a discussion about overly defensive vs. underly defensive play.

So how exactly are we supposed to scumhunt ? by not asking questions ?

Yes duck's claiming was bad, do i believe him ? i'm still thinking about that, on one hand, a scum would want to claim a pr role, but on the other hand, he's drawing a lot of attention towards him by doing so, not something a scum slot would want

[Logically Insane]

I agree with the sentiment expressed in the last comment, I'm gut-feeling that this is just a bad town play.

Scum would think hard about a gambit or claiming like this. I feel like town would be more likely to rush into it on impulse and half-cocked.

Too Scummy Too Be Scum is the dumbest thing ever.

[SexyDucK]

You know what you do when your mafia reads vote you. You explain and convince people why they are mafia.
So that reason fails. Try Again.
Actually claiming beguiler is even worse. You could've got a scum to shoot you adn redirect it at a scum.
Now you can't. (if anyone actually believes this guy)
It was bad enough you claimed tpr but seriously m8.
Are we going to see a d1 concede?

I am egotistical enough that I believe me living is better for the town than me not living. You say I am scum, but then why would scum shoot me in the first place? Me claiming gives town a better chance to look in the right directions. We agreed to a 1 for 1 trade so if you think I am scum, you will flip town, and then I will get lynched right away. Look at the numbers 1 for 1 favors town.

-DucK

[SexyDucK]

You know what you do when your mafia reads vote you. You explain and convince people why they are mafia.
So that reason fails. Try Again.
Actually claiming beguiler is even worse. You could've got a scum to shoot you adn redirect it at a scum.
Now you can't. (if anyone actually believes this guy)
It was bad enough you claimed tpr but seriously m8.
Are we going to see a d1 concede?

No you're fucking not. Now start with your blatant "oh my god I'm so pro" and reflex about your existence.

[SexyDucK]

No you're fucking not. Now start with your blatant "oh my god I'm so pro" and reflex about your existence.

STOP* not start.

[SexyDucK]

We're not mass role claiming on Day 1 -- I'm amazed you would propose this type of a reckless plan. If the GF and Consig claim, then they're going to be killed / converted.

Why are you against the roleclaim? Are you the gf/consig? If not you seem pretty scared now that I have suggested this idea.

-DucK

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

So how exactly are we supposed to scumhunt ? by not asking questions ?

Yes duck's claiming was bad, do i believe him ? i'm still thinking about that, on one hand, a scum would want to claim a pr role, but on the other hand, he's drawing a lot of attention towards him by doing so, not something a scum slot would want

You are an empty vessel with many of your posts, Sino. Give YOUR thoughts on what's going on and ask questions as well. You spend half of your posts asking questions like "[Player X], what do you think about what's going on so far" (which is hilariously vague and useless) or "I want to hear more from [Player Y]." This add ZERO value and is basically spam-level / making yourself look like you are contributing when you're really not. That's my point. You're giving us fast food posts and redirects as opposed to what YOU think.

As I've said before, I'm not sure I believe Duck personally -- I don't believe he would be dumb enough to claim Beguiler at L-4 when that would mean he can no longer redirect an attack to someone he thinks is scum. That having been said, Duck has been the type who enjoys larger than life / impulsive play early on in games, including gambits like in Charmander. No one is feeling legitimate heat at L-4 so he very well might have an ulterior motive behind this claim.

[Sino]

In any case Duck, i don't get why you claimed, it would only help you IF we believe you anyways

[Shifty]

Why are you against the roleclaim? Are you the gf/consig? If not you seem pretty scared now that I have suggested this idea.

-DucK

She literally mentioned in that very same quote why she was against roleclaiming.

[Logically Insane]

Why are you against the roleclaim? Are you the gf/consig? If not you seem pretty scared now that I have suggested this idea.

-DucK

Do I have to point out how terrible of a post this is.
Are you going to attack everyone that calls you out on some of your anti town shenanigans?

Because at this point, its starting to seem like you are just calling anyone who thinks your suspicious is scum. So it doesn't seem like real reads, which makes you look even more scummy.

See this cycle?

[SexyDucK]

Do I have to point out how terrible of a post this is.
Are you going to attack everyone that calls you out on some of your anti town shenanigans?

Because at this point, its starting to seem like you are just calling anyone who thinks your suspicious is scum. So it doesn't seem like real reads, which makes you look even more scummy.

See this cycle?

Sign your fucking posts, please.

-God

[Logically Insane]

In any case Duck, i don't get why you claimed, it would only help you IF we believe you anyways

This looks as fake as duck, but at least his emotions seem real. You don't even look like you are giving a reaction here. This seems like a post meant to just comment on something going on because you don't want to look suspicious for not commenting on this.

I am done with duck for awhile.
This shit is just bothering me too much.
Going to talk to my other heads to confer on this, until then. You deserve this vote:

-vote Sino

[Sino]

You are an empty vessel with many of your posts, Sino. Give YOUR thoughts on what's going on and ask questions as well. You spend half of your posts asking questions like "[Player X], what do you think about what's going on so far" (which is hilariously vague and useless) or "I want to hear more from [Player Y]." This add ZERO value and is basically spam-level / making yourself look like you are contributing when you're really not. That's my point. You're giving us fast food posts and redirects as opposed to what YOU think.

As I've said before, I'm not sure I believe Duck personally -- I don't believe he would be dumb enough to claim Beguiler at L-4 when that would mean he can no longer redirect an attack to someone he thinks is scum. That having been said, Duck has been the type who enjoys larger than life / impulsive play early on in games, including gambits like in Charmander. No one is feeling legitimate heat at L-4 so he very well might have an ulterior motive behind this claim.

I've given some thoughts about what was happening, and as you say, i'm asking players to contribute, so maybe my questions don't add anything, but the answer i get do

[Logically Insane]

I am egotistical enough that I believe me living is better for the town than me not living. You say I am scum, but then why would scum shoot me in the first place? Me claiming gives town a better chance to look in the right directions. We agreed to a 1 for 1 trade so if you think I am scum, you will flip town, and then I will get lynched right away. Look at the numbers 1 for 1 favors town.

-DucK

If you can't understand a hypothetical then you really need to play a different game.
Hypothetically if your claim of town beguiler was true that means that scum won't shoot you which tehy may have had tonight say if we lynched someone else because your will would say to kill me which means scum assumedly kills 2 town with 1 bullet.

It's also called fbi agent and luciano are different teams. Mole can kill and luciano have factional kill.

Hey genius you know whats better than killing the more town read person in a dichotomy.
The more scum read person. I highly doubt if one of us is lynched then the other person is just going to be okay lynch me now and all town is going to go along with it. In mafia the whole let's trade 1:1 never actually works like that; If you do play like that after your read was wrong, you are literally playing against your win condition which isn't allowed.

[SexyDucK]

You are an empty vessel with many of your posts, Sino. Give YOUR thoughts on what's going on and ask questions as well. You spend half of your posts asking questions like "[Player X], what do you think about what's going on so far" (which is hilariously vague and useless) or "I want to hear more from [Player Y]." This add ZERO value and is basically spam-level / making yourself look like you are contributing when you're really not. That's my point. You're giving us fast food posts and redirects as opposed to what YOU think.

As I've said before, I'm not sure I believe Duck personally -- I don't believe he would be dumb enough to claim Beguiler at L-4 when that would mean he can no longer redirect an attack to someone he thinks is scum. That having been said, Duck has been the type who enjoys larger than life / impulsive play early on in games, including gambits like in Charmander. No one is feeling legitimate heat at L-4 so he very well might have an ulterior motive behind this claim.

EXACTLY LOOK AT CHARMANDER'S GAME. Clarence got lynched, and I tried to stop it, but I couldn't. This game I actually have power? I can't do much but bus driver self bus rng, but it might be enough to get town to look in the correct direction. People keep acting like not claiming I am magically going to save the day and run over a mafia. Even if they did target me, statistically I am going to just to shoot another town with my redirect.

It is better to spend the second half of the day with people KNOWING I am town, and REEVALUATING based on that. I am giving the town plenty of time to reconsider and reexamine rather than waiting to claim until end of day. What does holding off claiming do for town? I have to claim at some point, and I am at very little risk of dieing by claiming with my role. Instead it helps us narrow down who the scum is. If the other 2 100% confirmed roles out we have fucking 3 confirmed towns voting, but even if they don't there is no risk in me claiming here unless you donkeys don't believe me because you don't agree with early claims.

-DucK

[SexyDucK]

This looks as fake as duck, but at least his emotions seem real. You don't even look like you are giving a reaction here. This seems like a post meant to just comment on something going on because you don't want to look suspicious for not commenting on this.

I am done with duck for awhile.
This shit is just bothering me too much.
Going to talk to my other heads to confer on this, until then. You deserve this vote:

-vote Sino

no motherfucker we have a 1 for 1 trade.

-DucK

[Sino]

This looks as fake as duck, but at least his emotions seem real. You don't even look like you are giving a reaction here. This seems like a post meant to just comment on something going on because you don't want to look suspicious for not commenting on this.

I am done with duck for awhile.
This shit is just bothering me too much.
Going to talk to my other heads to confer on this, until then. You deserve this vote:

-vote Sino

Can you please elaborate how my post looks fake ?

[Voss]

If you can't understand a hypothetical then you really need to play a different game.
Hypothetically if your claim of town beguiler was true that means that scum won't shoot you which tehy may have had tonight say if we lynched someone else because your will would say to kill me which means scum assumedly kills 2 town with 1 bullet.

It's also called fbi agent and luciano are different teams. Mole can kill and luciano have factional kill.

Hey genius you know whats better than killing the more town read person in a dichotomy.
The more scum read person. I highly doubt if one of us is lynched then the other person is just going to be okay lynch me now and all town is going to go along with it. In mafia the whole let's trade 1:1 never actually works like that; If you do play like that after your read was wrong, you are literally playing against your win condition which isn't allowed.

this.

EXACTLY LOOK AT CHARMANDER'S GAME. Clarence got lynched, and I tried to stop it, but I couldn't. This game I actually have power? I can't do much but bus driver self bus rng, but it might be enough to get town to look in the correct direction. People keep acting like not claiming I am magically going to save the day and run over a mafia. Even if they did target me, statistically I am going to just to shoot another town with my redirect.

It is better to spend the second half of the day with people KNOWING I am town, and REEVALUATING based on that. I am giving the town plenty of time to reconsider and reexamine rather than waiting to claim until end of day. What does holding off claiming do for town? I have to claim at some point, and I am at very little risk of dieing by claiming with my role. Instead it helps us narrow down who the scum is. If the other 2 100% confirmed roles out we have fucking 3 confirmed towns voting, but even if they don't there is no risk in me claiming here unless you donkeys don't believe me because you don't agree with early claims.

-DucK

fine, it was a good reason to claim, but claiming beguiler isn't, as beguiler. i'm just going to hope you're not.

[Logically Insane]

no motherfucker we have a 1 for 1 trade.

-DucK

There are 48hours in a day.
Why do you want to end day this early. We can do a lynch on you at the end of the day.
No point to end hte day early when people are having discussions about other players.

[Voss]

no motherfucker we have a 1 for 1 trade.

-DucK

you going to make everyone mass claim today? this is stupid.

[SexyDucK]

She literally mentioned in that very same quote why she was against roleclaiming.

and it was wrong, because they can be healed and not be converted. The godfather or consig does not out, and just guides the lynch. Both can be healed before revealing their vote anyway. If we have a doctor they heal the one outted consig/gf, and I hide. Unless they rng who I hide behind, or who the non protected gf/consig is there is NO risk. You could argue we dont have a protective.

-DucK

[Logically Insane]

Can you please elaborate how my post looks fake ?

Sure.
You give generic comments, you are mostly actively lurking the thread, you rarely give any hard positions or anything that hasn't been said by another player (which goes along with generic comments).

You seem scum, my other personalities told me to take into account meta on you, and I told them I explicitly wouldn't.
They have you as null right now. I told them that isn't good enough reason for you to not be pushed.

[Voss]

-unvote

last one to post between kovath, uknown and PoD gets my vote. I can't keep stayin on this site all day, as I have final projects to work on, but I'll jump back in, in a couple hours.

[SexyDucK]

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[Logically Insane]

-unvote

last one to post between kovath, uknown and PoD gets my vote. I can't keep stayin on this site all day, as I have final projects to work on, but I'll jump back in, in a couple hours.

You should really consider putting your vote on Sino instead.

[SexyDucK]

-unvote

last one to post between kovath, uknown and PoD gets my vote. I can't keep stayin on this site all day, as I have final projects to work on, but I'll jump back in, in a couple hours.

It is fine to keep unvoted, there shouldn't be a hammered lynch anytime soon.

-DucK

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

EXACTLY LOOK AT CHARMANDER'S GAME. Clarence got lynched, and I tried to stop it, but I couldn't. This game I actually have power? I can't do much but bus driver self bus rng, but it might be enough to get town to look in the correct direction. People keep acting like not claiming I am magically going to save the day and run over a mafia. Even if they did target me, statistically I am going to just to shoot another town with my redirect.

It is better to spend the second half of the day with people KNOWING I am town, and REEVALUATING based on that. I am giving the town plenty of time to reconsider and reexamine rather than waiting to claim until end of day. What does holding off claiming do for town? I have to claim at some point, and I am at very little risk of dieing by claiming with my role. Instead it helps us narrow down who the scum is. If the other 2 100% confirmed roles out we have fucking 3 confirmed towns voting, but even if they don't there is no risk in me claiming here unless you donkeys don't believe me because you don't agree with early claims.

-DucK

Merely claiming Town does not prove you're Town -- your point here makes no sense whatsoever. You're also assuming that you're the inevitable lynch today and that you would have been forced to claim before day end, why? You're not a crappy player, Duck -- why are you assuming that based on getting three votes during the beginning of the day means that you're necessarily going to be the prime lynch for the day, and therefore you just had to claim? You do not lack confidence in your play -- doesn't make sense to me that you assumed a claim was necessary.

On the other hand, you taking a survivalistic approach is consistent with your play in terms of ego about your own importance / value. I.e. you think you're more important to the game than other players, so if you are Beguiler, you'd rather keep yourself alive even if it harms the Town's chances because it means you couldn't redirect an attack to one of your scum leads. That's the one thing that makes me believe you might be telling the truth.

Lastly, your idea of a Town bloc on Day 1 with you (not confirmed town), the GF, and Consig is batshit crazy for the reasons I've said earlier.

[Sino]

Sure.
You give generic comments, you are mostly actively lurking the thread, you rarely give any hard positions or anything that hasn't been said by another player (which goes along with generic comments).

You seem scum, my other personalities told me to take into account meta on you, and I told them I explicitly wouldn't.
They have you as null right now. I told them that isn't good enough reason for you to not be pushed.

I'm not lurking, i prefer asking people questions so i can try to read them better, knowing duck, his shitposting and claiming would lean him more towards town than scum, if he was scum, i think he'd tryhard to get us to lynch someone

[Voss]

You should really consider putting your vote on Sino instead.

I'll reread him on a break. he's a non-poster to me right now.

[Logically Insane]

I'm not lurking, i prefer asking people questions so i can try to read them better, knowing duck, his shitposting and claiming would lean him more towards town than scum, if he was scum, i think he'd tryhard to get us to lynch someone

This is the first hard stance you have taken all game, and I had to pressure you for it.
You not see why I scumread you?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I'm not lurking, i prefer asking people questions so i can try to read them better, knowing duck, his shitposting and claiming would lean him more towards town than scum, if he was scum, i think he'd tryhard to get us to lynch someone

You're honestly suggesting Duck has been shitposting compared to you? Duck might be completely insane, but he's doing stuff in terms of his weird claim and other pushes. You're just asking people obvious questions like what they think of the game so far and the weather. Really don't think you should be calling anyone else's posts shitposting, lol.

[Logically Insane]

EXACTLY LOOK AT CHARMANDER'S GAME. Clarence got lynched, and I tried to stop it, but I couldn't. This game I actually have power? I can't do much but bus driver self bus rng, but it might be enough to get town to look in the correct direction. People keep acting like not claiming I am magically going to save the day and run over a mafia. Even if they did target me, statistically I am going to just to shoot another town with my redirect.

It is better to spend the second half of the day with people KNOWING I am town, and REEVALUATING based on that. I am giving the town plenty of time to reconsider and reexamine rather than waiting to claim until end of day. What does holding off claiming do for town? I have to claim at some point, and I am at very little risk of dieing by claiming with my role. Instead it helps us narrow down who the scum is. If the other 2 100% confirmed roles out we have fucking 3 confirmed towns voting, but even if they don't there is no risk in me claiming here unless you donkeys don't believe me because you don't agree with early claims.

-DucK

It is impossible to know anyone is town besides them flipping as town on d1 lynch. At any other point in the game knowing a person is town is impossible cause tailors and such.
You claiming a role is not people "knowing" you are town. It means you stupidly claimed for no good reason. Your tpr claim was bad enough. Claiming an actual role is just nonsense especially a role scuh as beguiler. Since your role works by people not realizing you are beguiler till you someone else gets killed by your action.
Guess what claiming a role that isn't provable d1 doesn't help you at all. At this point I'm just repeating stuff.
Here's the problem with narrowign down gf/consig.
Gf is either killed by chance, killed by narrowing down, b4 reveal, reveals, at some point and he dies that night.
His lw needs to state consig if we wnat consig to be confirmed.
Consig dies next night.
That means the only 2 100% confirmable town are dead in the span of 2 nights.

That is why you shouldn't claim your role especially if its not going to help anyone.
If you have a lead, claim. If we are in last 12hours of day and you are going to be lynche. claim.
Otherwise don't claim.

[SexyDucK]

Merely claiming Town does not prove you're Town -- your point here makes no sense whatsoever. You're also assuming that you're the inevitable lynch today and that you would have been forced to claim before day end, why? You're not a crappy player, Duck -- why are you assuming that based on getting three votes during the beginning of the day means that you're necessarily going to be the prime lynch for the day, and therefore you just had to claim? You do not lack confidence in your play -- doesn't make sense to me that you assumed a claim was necessary.

On the other hand, you taking a survivalistic approach is consistent with your play in terms of ego about your own importance / value. I.e. you think you're more important to the game than other players, so if you are Beguiler, you'd rather keep yourself alive even if it harms the Town's chances because it means you couldn't redirect an attack to one of your scum leads. That's the one thing that makes me believe you might be telling the truth.

Lastly, your idea of a Town bloc on Day 1 with you (not confirmed town), the GF, and Consig is batshit crazy for the reasons I've said earlier.

I never said I was the lynch, but if I was claiming now is always better to give people more time to reevaluate.

Do you think I would claim a TPR as mafia under the current situation? In charmander I was under similar pressure day 1 and did not claim. In world of music I claimed VT as mafia. The only world you can think I am claiming as non town is fbi agent and not wanting to be tracked, but why do I pigeonhole myself so early, and not keep open the possiblity of claiming agent if I get checked?

Believe me or not, I am actually a TPR for the first time, and this is how I play. I don't give a fuck if people hate it, I care that we get headed in the correct direction. You can bash me post game about how I am supposed to draw a night kill then guess who the fuck the correct redirect was, but for now get onboard or get the fuck out of my ship.

-DucK

[Sino]

This is the first hard stance you have taken all game, and I had to pressure you for it.
You not see why I scumread you?

Yes, because we're still early into d1, and not everyone has posted, i also implied i was scumreading Unknown

[SexyDucK]

It is impossible to know anyone is town besides them flipping as town on d1 lynch. At any other point in the game knowing a person is town is impossible cause tailors and such.
You claiming a role is not people "knowing" you are town. It means you stupidly claimed for no good reason. Your tpr claim was bad enough. Claiming an actual role is just nonsense especially a role scuh as beguiler. Since your role works by people not realizing you are beguiler till you someone else gets killed by your action.
Guess what claiming a role that isn't provable d1 doesn't help you at all. At this point I'm just repeating stuff.
Here's the problem with narrowign down gf/consig.
Gf is either killed by chance, killed by narrowing down, b4 reveal, reveals, at some point and he dies that night.
His lw needs to state consig if we wnat consig to be confirmed.
Consig dies next night.
That means the only 2 100% confirmable town are dead in the span of 2 nights.

That is why you shouldn't claim your role especially if its not going to help anyone.
If you have a lead, claim. If we are in last 12hours of day and you are going to be lynche. claim.
Otherwise don't claim.

Me claiming exact role, tells our town protective( if we have one) not to waste their save on me and look for the gf/consig.

-DucK

[Logically Insane]

I never said I was the lynch, but if I was claiming now is always better to give people more time to reevaluate.

Do you think I would claim a TPR as mafia under the current situation? In charmander I was under similar pressure day 1 and did not claim. In world of music I claimed VT as mafia. The only world you can think I am claiming as non town is fbi agent and not wanting to be tracked, but why do I pigeonhole myself so early, and not keep open the possiblity of claiming agent if I get checked?

Believe me or not, I am actually a TPR for the first time, and this is how I play. I don't give a fuck if people hate it, I care that we get headed in the correct direction. You can bash me post game about how I am supposed to draw a night kill then guess who the fuck the correct redirect was, but for now get onboard or get the fuck out of my ship.

-DucK

So you decide the best play from a power role is to claim day 1 when you have a small amount of pressure on you, from the people you claim are scum (So why claim because they are pressuring you btw). Jesus, that is just. I will let someone else yell at you, I don't want to go more insane than I already am.

[Logically Insane]

Yes, because we're still early into d1, and not everyone has posted, i also implied i was scumreading Unknown

It being early into day 1 is not an excuse for not giving thoughts and trying to actually give analysis on players.

[Unknown1234]

-unvote

last one to post between kovath, uknown and PoD gets my vote. I can't keep stayin on this site all day, as I have final projects to work on, but I'll jump back in, in a couple hours.

What kind of logic is this?

[Logically Insane]

and it was wrong, because they can be healed and not be converted. The godfather or consig does not out, and just guides the lynch. Both can be healed before revealing their vote anyway. If we have a doctor they heal the one outted consig/gf, and I hide. Unless they rng who I hide behind, or who the non protected gf/consig is there is NO risk. You could argue we dont have a protective.

-DucK

Both can be healed- you are assuming scum hit gf and its probable that doctor also hit gf same night.
Guess who else are 2 people who know each otehr who guide alynch.
The luciano's.
Guess who else
The Fbi and a mole.

How do we know we have a doc?
How do we know that the doc is going to guess the right confirmable town to heal?
How do we know FBi Agent's mole and Luciano won't coordinate to just double shoot the gf.
They have an anon chat, remember?

How do we know the luciano's don't have a consort to rb the doc?
You are assuming so much stuff here.

There is a HUGE RISK. to narrowing down gf and consig.

[Unknown1234]

Yes, because we're still early into d1, and not everyone has posted, i also implied i was scumreading Unknown

No you didn't, u said I was null.

[Logically Insane]

No you didn't, u said I was null.

Quote the post where he said that, and then vote him.
He is being very scummy in this game.

[Sino]

No you didn't, u said I was null.

No, i never said that

[SexyDucK]

So you decide the best play from a power role is to claim day 1 when you have a small amount of pressure on you, from the people you claim are scum (So why claim because they are pressuring you btw). Jesus, that is just. I will let someone else yell at you, I don't want to go more insane than I already am.

My role's use is volatile. It might single handedly win the game, it might hurt town. I rather get town headed into the correct direction than to risk a game on somewhat rng. What does me claiming hurt town. There is one less spot to guess a consig/godfather, but that much easier to get a save.

If town ends up believing me, it helps their vote logic and can assume my reads are from a town perspective, and compare it to their reads. It is also a wake up call to people voting me that they need to look in other places. If I have been scummy that part is on me, but we will see.

-DucK

[Unknown1234]

Him not having a reason for not asking questions seems weird, but i know he's kinda always been like that, so i'm leaning towards a null read here

This is Sino responding to BCD

[Unknown1234]

No, i never said that

CONFIRMED LIAR

[Logically Insane]

My role's use is volatile. It might single handedly win the game, it might hurt town. I rather get town headed into the correct direction than to risk a game on somewhat rng. What does me claiming hurt town. There is one less spot to guess a consig/godfather, but that much easier to get a save.

If town ends up believing me, it helps their vote logic and can assume my reads are from a town perspective, and compare it to their reads. It is also a wake up call to people voting me that they need to look in other places. If I have been scummy that part is on me, but we will see.

-DucK

What Benefit is there to claiming Beguiler over claiming TPR.

Seems Like Its Strictly Worse To Claim Beguiler D1 under no threat to be lynched.
You could claim tpr and still be gf/consig.
You could claim tpr and still misdirect a scum shot.
Can't do either of those with beguiler claim.
You can't prove either claim.
You are no where near close to lynch.

[Logically Insane]

CONFIRMED LIAR

Quote the post that shows contradictions. When you say a person is contradicting themselves.
Treat this like a lawyer would at a court case. You have the burden of proof to prove the claims you make and show it to us.
K? Thanks.

[SexyDucK]

Both can be healed- you are assuming scum hit gf and its probable that doctor also hit gf same night.
Guess who else are 2 people who know each otehr who guide alynch.
The luciano's.
Guess who else
The Fbi and a mole.

How do we know we have a doc?
How do we know that the doc is going to guess the right confirmable town to heal?
How do we know FBi Agent's mole and Luciano won't coordinate to just double shoot the gf.
They have an anon chat, remember?

How do we know the luciano's don't have a consort to rb the doc?
You are assuming so much stuff here.

There is a HUGE RISK. to narrowing down gf and consig.

You are assuming just as much, if not more.

If we dont have a doctor we probably have a tracker who would just watch the godfather and get perfect information, since we know the godfather does not visit. If they double stack the godfather they risk a tracker just ending the game right there and then.

You expect them to rng roleblock a non claimed doctor? Good luck with that.

AFAIK the fbi agent cant even attack tonight since he has to recruit a mole. IF this is wrong I would actually like that corrected.

There is too much risk for the scum to target the one outted role between the gf/consig.

-DucK

[Unknown1234]

Quote the post that shows contradictions. When you say a person is contradicting themselves.
Treat this like a lawyer would at a court case. You have the burden of proof to prove the claims you make and show it to us.
K? Thanks.

I did above..